YAKUPOV WANTS MORE ICETIME

Jason Gregor
November 12 2013 01:56PM

 

Nail Yakupov wants more icetime. He wants to help his teammates win. He also feels his head coach doesn't trust him. Yakupov spoke with the media after practice today, and it was clear he was frustrated. As he should be. Losing stinks, and I'd hope every Oiler is frustrated.

Yakupov is usually very quiet and reserved with the media, but today he spoke with conviction and passion.

He was asked about his agent's, Igor Larionov, comments about a possible trade.

"I know where he is coming from, we have to do something. I don't see any trust towards me now. I'm playing lower and lower minutes, and I just want to help my team win every game. I haven't had much chance to to that, and it pretty hard to watch the game from the bench when my teammates are fighting for puck and points, because I know I can do the same thing.

"I don't want to say anything bad, but I just want to say that I want to be here. I love the city. I'd love to play with these players. We have a great staff and the atmosphere in games is great. I want to be part of the Oilers," said Yakupov.

When asked how he felt he's played defensively he responded with this:

"I've played good. I've always played like that. I watch everyone play the same. I don't think that question is for me, it is for the coach. I play good," Yakupov said.

When asked if he asked his agent to go public he responded with a smile, "I don't know, that is a tough question. I can't say anything now. Maybe we will see if something changes in a couple of days."

TRADE

He was asked directly if he has asked for a trade.

"I wasn't asking for a trade. I don't want to say anything bad, but I heard something (trade rumour) in the summer, something at the start of the season and then two weeks ago, but we'll see...who knows. I just want to play. I don't want to play nine or five minutes. I think I can play more and I think I can help my teammates to get points. We need points.

"I'm 20 years old and I think this is a  very important year for me learning to play hockey. Sometimes players who are sitting a lot when they are 19 or 20 years old they stop playing hockey. I just want to play. We will see if that ( lack of icetime) is going to be more and more, and if not we will have to figure out something," said Yakupov.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN? 

Yakupov is clearly frustrated. He wants to play more, and you can't blame him for that. Was this the best way to go about it? Probably not, but he isn't the first professional player to go public with his frustrations about a lack of playing time.

When Eakins spoke after Yakupov he wasn't upset at all. He said he understood Yakupov's frustration, but he said he has seen Yakupov working hard to improve his game. He also said that he won't change how he coaches because Yakupov went public with his frustrations.

The most interesting thing to me was when Yakupov said he heard trade rumours in the summer. I can't recall any rumours then, but maybe the Oilers were shopping him. 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Igor Larionov meets with Craig MacTavish later this week. 

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#151 Butters
November 12 2013, 08:14PM
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DSF wrote:

Some observations:

As many of you will recall, I believed, and still do, that the Oilers should have drafted Galchenyuk. Whenever it's close you should always draft the centre and it was close.

Having said that, anyone who doesn't think there is a double standard at work need look no further than the abysmal defensive play of Justin Schultz.

While Schultz's rookie season looked, on the surface, like a decent one, he gave up far more than he scored at even strength...finishing the season at -17...288th in the league among defensemen.

He averaged 21:26 TOI/G.

This season, before he was injured, he was actually playing much worse.

While he was on pace for a 40 point season, he was also on pace for MINUS 58.

Now, Justin Schultz is not 20...he's 23 and despite playing 4 years in NCAA hockey, he can't play defense AT ALL.

How did Eakins respond to his putrid defensive play?

This season, his average TOI/G is 22:01.

That folks is a double standard.

Nah, the Oilers would have ruined Galchenyuk too.

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#152 FireKLowe
November 12 2013, 08:15PM
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They fcuked up Shremp, Omark, Paajarvi, and now Yakapov! Good job Oiler management!

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#153 DSF
November 12 2013, 08:19PM
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Butters wrote:

Nah, the Oilers would have ruined Galchenyuk too.

Maybe.

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#154 D-Unit
November 12 2013, 08:21PM
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DSF wrote:

Some observations:

As many of you will recall, I believed, and still do, that the Oilers should have drafted Galchenyuk. Whenever it's close you should always draft the centre and it was close.

Having said that, anyone who doesn't think there is a double standard at work need look no further than the abysmal defensive play of Justin Schultz.

While Schultz's rookie season looked, on the surface, like a decent one, he gave up far more than he scored at even strength...finishing the season at -17...288th in the league among defensemen.

He averaged 21:26 TOI/G.

This season, before he was injured, he was actually playing much worse.

While he was on pace for a 40 point season, he was also on pace for MINUS 58.

Now, Justin Schultz is not 20...he's 23 and despite playing 4 years in NCAA hockey, he can't play defense AT ALL.

How did Eakins respond to his putrid defensive play?

This season, his average TOI/G is 22:01.

That folks is a double standard.

I still can't figure out what all the hype was about Schultz. Everyone seemed to wet themselves with excitement that a free agent, who never played an NHL game picked the Oilers. Seemed obvious that there must have been some baggage or issues, that he was a rookie free agent. Then the Oilers give him a contract that like he was a first overall pick. Why? My next fear is what they will do with him as an RFA. Probably want to give him a raise, which he hasn't earned. This will be a big telling item for MacTin my opinion.

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#155 D-Unit
November 12 2013, 08:22PM
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DSF wrote:

Some observations:

As many of you will recall, I believed, and still do, that the Oilers should have drafted Galchenyuk. Whenever it's close you should always draft the centre and it was close.

Having said that, anyone who doesn't think there is a double standard at work need look no further than the abysmal defensive play of Justin Schultz.

While Schultz's rookie season looked, on the surface, like a decent one, he gave up far more than he scored at even strength...finishing the season at -17...288th in the league among defensemen.

He averaged 21:26 TOI/G.

This season, before he was injured, he was actually playing much worse.

While he was on pace for a 40 point season, he was also on pace for MINUS 58.

Now, Justin Schultz is not 20...he's 23 and despite playing 4 years in NCAA hockey, he can't play defense AT ALL.

How did Eakins respond to his putrid defensive play?

This season, his average TOI/G is 22:01.

That folks is a double standard.

I still can't figure out what all the hype was about Schultz. Everyone seemed to wet themselves with excitement that a free agent, who never played an NHL game picked the Oilers. Seemed obvious that there must have been some baggage or issues, that he was a rookie free agent. Then the Oilers give him a contract that like he was a first overall pick. Why? My next fear is what they will do with him as an RFA. Probably want to give him a raise, which he hasn't earned. This will be a big telling item for MacTin my opinion.

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#156 Rusty Patenaude
November 12 2013, 08:22PM
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The MacTavish/Lowe braintrust strikes again. It is Joffrey Lupul all over again. Don't put a young offensive player in the situations he needs to learn and be successful. Demand that he be Bob Gainey and when he tries to be responsible defensively with mixed results sit him in the press box, shattering his confidence. In what alternate reality do MacTavish, Eakins and Lowe exist where they are in the thick of a playoff battle and have to cut back a young stars ice time for what? Why isn't Yak on the 1st powerplay being set up for that lazer one-timer? Why isn't he playing consistently with Nugent-Hopkins? Why isn't Eakins talking to him in private regularly about what is expected and why he is being used as he is? Where the Hell are the "leaders" in the locker room who ought to be taking the kid out and giving him support/tough love all through this debacle.

This is not on Yak. He is a passionate kid. he wears his heart on his sleeve, that is why we fell in love with the guy last season. This is on the coaching staff, management and the team leaders (if you can call it leadership when a team which names a guy captain before he even puts on the jersey)

Jesus, it is like Punch Imlach screwing over Frank Mahovolich all over again...except even Punch learned his lesson and kept out of Gilbert Perreault's head. Wish I could say the same for MacTavish et al.

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#157 DSF
November 12 2013, 08:24PM
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Rusty Patenaude wrote:

The MacTavish/Lowe braintrust strikes again. It is Joffrey Lupul all over again. Don't put a young offensive player in the situations he needs to learn and be successful. Demand that he be Bob Gainey and when he tries to be responsible defensively with mixed results sit him in the press box, shattering his confidence. In what alternate reality do MacTavish, Eakins and Lowe exist where they are in the thick of a playoff battle and have to cut back a young stars ice time for what? Why isn't Yak on the 1st powerplay being set up for that lazer one-timer? Why isn't he playing consistently with Nugent-Hopkins? Why isn't Eakins talking to him in private regularly about what is expected and why he is being used as he is? Where the Hell are the "leaders" in the locker room who ought to be taking the kid out and giving him support/tough love all through this debacle.

This is not on Yak. He is a passionate kid. he wears his heart on his sleeve, that is why we fell in love with the guy last season. This is on the coaching staff, management and the team leaders (if you can call it leadership when a team which names a guy captain before he even puts on the jersey)

Jesus, it is like Punch Imlach screwing over Frank Mahovolich all over again...except even Punch learned his lesson and kept out of Gilbert Perreault's head. Wish I could say the same for MacTavish et al.

This.

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#158 Harlie
November 12 2013, 08:25PM
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DSF wrote:

If you were starting an expansion team, would you hire Lowe, MacT and Eakins to run the show?

Didn't think so.

No one else in the NHL would hire any one of them.

My Dream Team..

POHO - Scotty Bowman

GM - Dale Tallon

Coach - Mike Babcock

Asst Coach's - Renney, Hitchcock, Quenneville

Trainers - Anybody without the last name Moreau

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#159 DAVE
November 12 2013, 08:29PM
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yakapov, larianov, can both fukov

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#160 Batfink
November 12 2013, 08:30PM
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TDSM31 wrote:

I have to think Ference will rip a strip off this kid.

Same Ference that's been a turn over machine last few games? Who rips a strip off him?

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#161 BleedOil4Life
November 12 2013, 08:31PM
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@FireKLowe

Ok the funny thing about your comment is this

robbie Schremp went to the islanders and did absolutely nothing everyone knew that he couldnt skate

omark is trash no matter what....no other team wants him

Magnus was traded to get a solid player back in perron.

yakupov has just started

so...get your head outta your ass

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#162 Harlie
November 12 2013, 08:34PM
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Batfink wrote:

Same Ference that's been a turn over machine last few games? Who rips a strip off him?

The moran who put a C on him before he earned it.

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#163 Quintana
November 12 2013, 08:47PM
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** wrote:

Facts:

Yakupov is not a very good defensive player. Yakupov was drafted for being an exceptional offensive player.

EAkins said in the summer he would get to know his players by meeting one on one, having water cooler conversations, things like that. Eakins said today that he hasn't spoken with Yakupov one on one about his lack of ice time or his level of trust in him.

Eakins said in the summer it would not matter contract status, or age, everyone would be accountable. Eakins has 7 players at the bottom of the plus/minus stats. Yaks with -14, Hemsky and Nuge with -12, Petry -11, Schultz -10, Gagner -9. Who is the only player being sent to the fourth line and being scratched not once but twice and getting his ice time greatly diminished?: Yakupov.

Steven Stamkos stats for his first season (79 games): 11:58 average ice time per game 23G, 23A, 46 points, plus/minus -13 (keep in mind he is a center with more defensive responsibility)

Nail Yakupov's stats for his first combined 65 games: 12:34 average ice time per game 19G, 16A, 35 points, plus/minus -18 ( this is the combined total of two seasons, with a long break in the summer that could be argued impacted the continuity of Yakupov's development, given how he closed last season, he might have had more points by this time had he played those 65 games continuously. )

Anyone who reads this please tell me:

A) if Yakupov is being given fair treatment, given how long a leash Ebs Hall Nuge Gagner and Hemsky have had on season's past ( I know it is a different coach but he should be aware of these things).

B) If Yakupov's numbers compared to another 1st overall who turned out to be an elite player are that far off course to be trying to run the guy out of town.

Ps: I don't like the plus/minus stat, I think it is extremely flawed, but I have seen it on Edmonton media as an indictment of Yakupov so that is why I included it.

PPS: Jussi JOkinen was traded mid season to make room for Stamkos to play more minutes because that management believed Stamkos was the future even though Jokinen was having a great season and wanted to put him in a legitimate position to succeed.

This.

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#164 madjam
November 12 2013, 08:49PM
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DSF wrote:

If you were starting an expansion team, would you hire Lowe, MacT and Eakins to run the show?

Didn't think so.

No one else in the NHL would hire any one of them.

Seems rather ridiculous to keep MacT. and Eakins when they are doing so much worse than the ones they replaced . Results prove it .

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#165 china town man
November 12 2013, 08:52PM
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Yak should just shut his mouth And play hockey !!! Did ovechkin tell him to do this?

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#166 j
November 12 2013, 09:03PM
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D-Unit wrote:

I still can't figure out what all the hype was about Schultz. Everyone seemed to wet themselves with excitement that a free agent, who never played an NHL game picked the Oilers. Seemed obvious that there must have been some baggage or issues, that he was a rookie free agent. Then the Oilers give him a contract that like he was a first overall pick. Why? My next fear is what they will do with him as an RFA. Probably want to give him a raise, which he hasn't earned. This will be a big telling item for MacTin my opinion.

You mean the J Schultz who was the best college player prior to turning pro? The J Schultz who was better than any defenseman available in the draft that year as he was 4 years older? The J Schultz who made the AHL look like a junior B league? That J Schultz? The Oilers have amazing talent. They just don't have enough veteran leadership to hone it properly. Coaches can't be held fully responsible - it takes peer support and mentors. J Schultz is a great offensive hockey player. He is exactly as advertised and exactly what we need. Unfortunately, we don't have enough of our 'other' needs filled for it to make a difference.

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#167 Felix
November 12 2013, 09:07PM
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Bring Nikolai Kulemin in. Trade Eberle for Sean Couturier. And I have solved the problem

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#168 Slyers
November 12 2013, 09:11PM
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@smiliegirl15

The fact that you have 16 trashes just shows how many people today have this same sense of entitlement. This is truly sad. In the oiler glory years Mess and Lowe would have had Yak sharting himself. Hard to watch this primadona act this way, and then others in this former city of champs defend him. The city Of Edmonton I grew up in would never have tolerated this type of behaviour.... And that is maybe one small reason our young guns turned out to be the special players and people they were.

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#169 Slyers
November 12 2013, 09:15PM
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smiliegirl15 wrote:

Ask Sheldon Souray how well speaking out against management works.

Yak doesn't think he played badly? I think he needs to watch some tape, quit comparing his game to anyone else's and remember what he's getting paid for. His effort sucks a lot of the time. He gives up on the puck if he thinks he can't get and it happens all too often.

You want ice time Yak, prove you DESERVE ice time. Stop acting like an entitled brat.

The fact that you have 16 trashes just shows how many people today have this same sense of entitlement. This is truly sad. In the oiler glory years Mess and Lowe would have had Yak sharting himself. Hard to watch this primadona act this way, and then others in this former city of champs defend him. The city Of Edmonton I grew up in would never have tolerated this type of behaviour.... And that is maybe one small reason our young guns turned out to be the special players and people they were.

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#170 pkam
November 12 2013, 09:21PM
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** wrote:

your ice time average is out of context because Yakupov's ice time has been greatly and gradually diminished over the last 6 games from a peak 21:34 to 10:54.

Here are his ice times:

10:54 10:46 (bottom) 11:08 12:47 15:06 21:34 (peak) 20:13 16:16 19:08 15:54 13:05 17:34 17:29 13:21 16:34 16:13 14:57

You are comparing a mature Arcobello, 25 years old, been through several pro seasons in other leagues, to Young Nail Yakupov, immature, still learning a language, his first full pro season. You are comparing apples with oranges. Remember how much leeway Hall and Nuge and Eberle and GAgner got when they were where Yakupov is now and then I dare you to tell me that Yak is not being given the short end of the stick.

Taylor Hall first season: 65 22 20 42points,plus/minus-9

Jordan Eberle first season: 69 18 25 43 -12

Nuge: 62 18 34 52 -2

Gagner:

79 13 36 49 -21

YAkupov (games so far):

65 19 16 35 -18

average ice time (ES) on their first seasons:

Hall: 15:26 Ebs: 14:27 Nuge: 14:33 Gagner:12:46 Yakupov: 12:34

Yakupov has actually done a bit more with less ice time and given the fact that he played half a season, which cut his production short. HE might have had more points than everyone else given how well he ended last season. It is easier to throw hate at YAk for speaking his mind than to fact check and see if there is merit into what he is saying. This post goes to all you Yak haters out there who don't even bother to check basic numbers before you throw your poison.

I said the ice time of his first 13 game average 17 minutes and over 17 games average 15 minutes.

Using the ice time you provided, if you add the ice time of his first 13 games, it totals 217:24, average 16:43. If you add all 17 games, it totals 262:59, average 15:28.

So where is it out of context?

Hall, Eberle and Nuge got more minutes in their rookie season because the Oilers were so bad those years that they were our best players even they were rookies. Even when they don't perform, there is no quality players to compete the ice time with them.

Now Eberle, Hall, RNH, Perron are eating the big minutes. If Yak doesn't perform, then the other kids will get more minutes.

I didn't Acrobello to Yak. I just point out that Acrobello has to earn his ice time. Other than Gagner so far, nobody is getting free ice time.

Do I think Gagner should get the free pass? No. I think he should be in the IR. I can't remember which game but I remember his jaw hurt after taking a big hit to his shoulder. I don't think he is 100% so I don't understand why not only they play him, but play him a lot of tough minutes.

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#171 Crimson steel
November 12 2013, 09:35PM
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FireKLowe wrote:

They fcuked up Shremp, Omark, Paajarvi, and now Yakapov! Good job Oiler management!

So the oil screwed up on schemp! He could not crack the other 2 NHL teams he played for either! Jury is still out on omark and check paajarvi's stats so far this season! The oil have screwed the hooch on lots of deals but not these ones!

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#172 Crimson steel
November 12 2013, 09:41PM
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FireKLowe wrote:

They fcuked up Shremp, Omark, Paajarvi, and now Yakapov! Good job Oiler management!

So the oil screwed up on schemp! He could not crack the other 2 NHL teams he played for either! Jury is still out on omark and check paajarvi's stats so far this season! The oil have screwed the hooch on lots of deals but not these ones!

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#173 DSF
November 12 2013, 09:41PM
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Crimson steel wrote:

So the oil screwed up on schemp! He could not crack the other 2 NHL teams he played for either! Jury is still out on omark and check paajarvi's stats so far this season! The oil have screwed the hooch on lots of deals but not these ones!

And yet they drafted all 3 of them...2 in the first round.

Fail.

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#174 pkam
November 12 2013, 09:48PM
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Eberle ha played on the perimeter all year with out a hit thrown and has gotten his points. Does that make him better than Yak that throws checks and stands up for himself like in the Chicago game? Yes & no. Hall & Nugr are the stars of this group and Yak should be on their wing so he can show what he can do with first line talent and ice time. Third line minutes with Hemsky won't help as has been proven thus far this season. Hall, Ebs &Nuge were given that opportunity. Why not try it and see. Gags, Ebs & Perron is a quality mix for a second line. Gordon, Hemsky & Smyth for a third. Arcabello, Jonseeu & Jones/gazdic for a fourth. Problem solved. What is there to lose at this point. Remember the chemistry Hall & Yak developed late last season??

Eberle has 11 hits 15 pts and -3 in 19 games.

Yak has 14 hits 4 pts and -14 in 17 games.

So we should play Yak in the 1st line?

I thought we all agree that nobody should get a free pass, whether you are veteran or rookie, 1st overall or undrafted, everyone has to earn their ice time?

Yak has more ice time than Acrobello in their first 13 games. Acrobello has more point than Yak, better +/-, and more hits than Yak. What has Yak done to earn more ice time than Acrobello?

So far this season 2 players, Gagner and Yak, get free passes. The only difference is Yak's free pass was taken away after 13 games, and Gagner is still enjoying his free pass after 6 games. Will the same happen to Gagner, we will see after 13 games.

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#175 pkam
November 12 2013, 09:51PM
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Randaman wrote:

Eberle ha played on the perimeter all year with out a hit thrown and has gotten his points. Does that make him better than Yak that throws checks and stands up for himself like in the Chicago game? Yes & no. Hall & Nugr are the stars of this group and Yak should be on their wing so he can show what he can do with first line talent and ice time. Third line minutes with Hemsky won't help as has been proven thus far this season. Hall, Ebs &Nuge were given that opportunity. Why not try it and see. Gags, Ebs & Perron is a quality mix for a second line. Gordon, Hemsky & Smyth for a third. Arcabello, Jonseeu & Jones/gazdic for a fourth. Problem solved. What is there to lose at this point. Remember the chemistry Hall & Yak developed late last season??

Eberle has 11 hits 15 pts and -3 in 19 games.

Yak has 14 hits 4 pts and -14 in 17 games.

So we should play Yak in the 1st line?

I thought we all agree that nobody should get a free pass, whether you are veteran or rookie, 1st overall or undrafted, everyone has to earn their ice time?

Yak has more ice time than Acrobello in their first 13 games. Acrobello has more point than Yak, better +/-, and more hits than Yak. What has Yak done to earn more ice time than Acrobello?

So far this season 2 players, Gagner and Yak, get free passes. The only difference is Yak's free pass was taken away after 13 games, and Gagner is still enjoying his free pass after 6 games. Will the same happen to Gagner, we will see after 13 games.

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#176 Randaman
November 12 2013, 10:11PM
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pkam wrote:

Eberle has 11 hits 15 pts and -3 in 19 games.

Yak has 14 hits 4 pts and -14 in 17 games.

So we should play Yak in the 1st line?

I thought we all agree that nobody should get a free pass, whether you are veteran or rookie, 1st overall or undrafted, everyone has to earn their ice time?

Yak has more ice time than Acrobello in their first 13 games. Acrobello has more point than Yak, better +/-, and more hits than Yak. What has Yak done to earn more ice time than Acrobello?

So far this season 2 players, Gagner and Yak, get free passes. The only difference is Yak's free pass was taken away after 13 games, and Gagner is still enjoying his free pass after 6 games. Will the same happen to Gagner, we will see after 13 games.

I was merely pointing out that Eberle doesn't suffer the wrath of the coach like Yak does. Plus/minus is a useless stat for young players on a poor team. A lot of other factors are included in those stats. When Yak hits you hear it. When Eberle hits it's like a tree falling in the Forrest. Lots of things are done to get players going or out of a slump. Hall is the right medicine for Yak I believe. Like any combination is working right now anyway. First, second, third & fourth all SUCK. Check the standings

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#177 OilFanInVan
November 12 2013, 10:25PM
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No matter who we drafted first over all in 2011, I feel the same things would be happening. It's the organization that takes a draft pick and turns them into what they are. So Yakupov, Murray, Galchenyuk, whatever... It doesn't MATTER!

It's the Oiler's draft pick and they're going to be messed up because we have idiot's running the show at the top and this idiotic losing culture we have trickles down and effects everyone.

That's why when everyone leaves they "get better". No they don't get better, the get away from the Oilers culture, and then they prosper.

I feel real sorry for guys like Hemsky and Gagner who have been here so long... Will Nuge be Gagner 4 years from now? Will Eberle be Hemsky? Will Gagner be Horcoff? Will Nurse be Pronger? It's not the players, it's the team. Heads need to roll from the top down for ANYTHING to move forward.

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#178 Rob...
November 12 2013, 10:25PM
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"The city Of Edmonton I grew up in would never have tolerated this type of behaviour.... And that is maybe one small reason our young guns turned out to be the special players and people they were."

The Edmonton you grew up in thought throwing the 'black guy' under the bus for the same coke problem half the team had was A-OK.

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#179 Nimrod
November 12 2013, 10:27PM
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Embarrassing for the media covering Oilers that they gleefully grill a kid for nine minutes but haven't got the guts to ask a single hard question to the most incompetent management group in hockey for the last half dozen years.

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#180 @mbrunihockey
November 12 2013, 10:42PM
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Maybe Yak should take some tips on dealing with the media from Bryzgalov when he comes in next week.

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#181 Devolution
November 12 2013, 10:49PM
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I can understand why Yakupov might complain about his ice time. He is young, frustrated and wants to play.

What I don't understand is the public statement by Larionov. This is a man who has been around and should know how things work.

He must know that that statement would make things worse for everyone involved and yet he still said it. He is paid for helping careers, not hurting them.

Puzzling.

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#182 JJ
November 12 2013, 10:56PM
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I support the notion of releasing the Omark. If we're going to lose, (we will), we might as well find some kind of entertainment in the loss, right? Hemsky provided that years ago, maybe Omark can do the same. Let's see what excitement he can bring.

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#183 Zarny
November 12 2013, 11:05PM
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Of course Yakupov wants more ice time. Every player wants more. Ryan Jones said the best thing about being sent down was more ice time.

And Yak's situation is on Yak.

Not Eakins. Not Kevin Lowe. Not the guy selling hot dogs and beer.

Statistical comparisons to Stamkos over 65 games etc are irrelevant.

Yak wasn't a healthy scratch because he played poorly. He was a healthy scratch because he played poorly and didn't seem to care.

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#184 **
November 12 2013, 11:12PM
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pkam wrote:

I said the ice time of his first 13 game average 17 minutes and over 17 games average 15 minutes.

Using the ice time you provided, if you add the ice time of his first 13 games, it totals 217:24, average 16:43. If you add all 17 games, it totals 262:59, average 15:28.

So where is it out of context?

Hall, Eberle and Nuge got more minutes in their rookie season because the Oilers were so bad those years that they were our best players even they were rookies. Even when they don't perform, there is no quality players to compete the ice time with them.

Now Eberle, Hall, RNH, Perron are eating the big minutes. If Yak doesn't perform, then the other kids will get more minutes.

I didn't Acrobello to Yak. I just point out that Acrobello has to earn his ice time. Other than Gagner so far, nobody is getting free ice time.

Do I think Gagner should get the free pass? No. I think he should be in the IR. I can't remember which game but I remember his jaw hurt after taking a big hit to his shoulder. I don't think he is 100% so I don't understand why not only they play him, but play him a lot of tough minutes.

I took the ice time from the NHL site. I combined the numbers from this season and last season.I didn't just add them, you have to multiply the proportion of games from each season by the total number of games (65) and then multiply that by each average ice time provided by the NHL website. Your numbers are out of context because you are averaging this season. It is like saying someone is not starving to death because he has eaten an average of 500 grams of beef over 10 days, when the reality is that person ate 2 kgs of beef the first five days and then nothing on the last 5.

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#185 Harry
November 12 2013, 11:14PM
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Harlie wrote:

My Dream Team..

POHO - Scotty Bowman

GM - Dale Tallon

Coach - Mike Babcock

Asst Coach's - Renney, Hitchcock, Quenneville

Trainers - Anybody without the last name Moreau

Dale friggin Talon!!!! Step away from the crack pipe

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#186 Harry
November 12 2013, 11:17PM
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madjam wrote:

Seems rather ridiculous to keep MacT. and Eakins when they are doing so much worse than the ones they replaced . Results prove it .

Im no MacT lover but I think a GM should be given more than 7 months to fix a roster

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#187 mlcselli
November 12 2013, 11:19PM
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Tomorrow after the meeting, I hope Katz throws a grenade in the office and blows this pitiful excuse of a management team apart. It's the office personnel that needs the GD rebuild.

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#188 BleedOil4Life
November 12 2013, 11:21PM
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@DSF

because teams have never made bad picks before

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#189 Harry
November 12 2013, 11:26PM
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Embarrassing for the media covering Oilers that they gleefully grill a kid for nine minutes but haven't got the guts to ask a single hard question to the most incompetent management group in hockey for the last half dozen years.

Very very well said!

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#190 Walter Sobchak
November 12 2013, 11:28PM
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Why the hell hadn't Rishaug or any other MSM ask Eakins a simple question.

If your sitting Yakupov and decreasing his ice time due to defensive laps's why aren't you doing that to Schultz, Hall, Eberle and the player who is the worst Gagner?

Seriously, the MSM are told the same story but never question the coach or management.

If the coach is the only one doing the talking then damn right Yakupov should stand up and take a bloody stand!

MSM don't seem to care that Eakins regurgitates the same sound bite on Yakupov.

There just looking to get in, get out, write some junk about 5x5 or how this is part of the normal process now.

Maybe Rishaug should ask Eakins, why wasn't Gagner benched when he left not one but two guys alone in the slot that were directly resulted in goals?

How under one coach Yakupov do well but under you ( Eakins) he seems to have lost all confidence?

The biases extend to MSM as well. Unless MSM start asking the Oilers direct questions then your just another messenger for the Oilers, might as well play for them.

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#191 Al Low
November 12 2013, 11:28PM
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On a team without a pulse and with numerous players who are indifferent to winning and losing (Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Hemsky, Gagner, Justin Schultz to name a few), Oiler fans should applaud Yak for actually caring. MacT really needs to listen hard on offers to pretty much anybody not named Hall, Yak or Darnell Nurse.

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#192 Sammer003
November 12 2013, 11:43PM
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Harry wrote:

Im no MacT lover but I think a GM should be given more than 7 months to fix a roster

KLowe has had more time than his Stanley Cup rings to turn it around. It's top down, and KLowe managed to bring the team Lower and Lower.

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#193 patrick miranda
November 12 2013, 11:47PM
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If I have to watch that smug Eakins one more time, talk about how righteous he is, i'm going to fart in a baloon and release it at one of those media scrums to punish all you media pundits who don't have the BALLS to ask direct questions. Are you so afraid of losing your media pass that you won't ask a poingnant question? Spector asked one of Lowe at the MacT presser and got instant credibility, high time another one of you asked this moron if he is ever going to let his ego take a break and learn to coach like a professional.

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#194 Smokey
November 12 2013, 11:50PM
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Nimrod wrote:

Embarrassing for the media covering Oilers that they gleefully grill a kid for nine minutes but haven't got the guts to ask a single hard question to the most incompetent management group in hockey for the last half dozen years.

You nailed it.

The real issue is why is the entire team stagnating and lacking confidence. Who is responsible for this and how are they going to fix it.

Heard Richaug rail on Nail on the Jason Gregor show today. Where was the venom towards the actual problem. Every damn fan knows the problem, and these lazy reporters are beaking off about a immature kid who's confused as to why he is constantly benched when the rest of the kids are doing the same thing. The kid is 20, from a different country and culture. You gotta take everything he says with a grain of salt. Larionov caused this mess when he did not deal with it professionally and internally. Some Oiler's braintrust then had a huge brainfart and allowed Nail to be made available to the media.Talk about complete set up and disaster. These cold hearted losers through him under the bus. You got a kid who with language barrier who historically has shown a propensity to say stuff that comes out wrong. What do you expect. What a complete lack of judgement by both MacT. Then certain media types jump on him because they rather rail on a kid then do some real reporting for fear of being ignored by the old boys gang. I'd like to see some real reporting. People want real questions to asked. I wanna see MacT pull a Tortorella or ol' Sixrings make some disparaging remarks to the 2nd tier fans again.

Lastly, Eakins should shut his piehole about accountability. He made a another comment about this imaginary accountability concept again today. If there was accountability Hall and Eberle, Schultz, and Gagner and Hemsky would ride some pine. Why the Russian kid? Why does he ride pine after he scores a goal or when make the same mistakes other guys make. No one discounts his minus 14. Eakins if you read this, don't preach accountability, do it. Maybe you'll get the respect of your team that you lost.

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#195 Smokey
November 12 2013, 11:54PM
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KLowe has had more time than his Stanley Cup rings to turn it around. It's top down, and KLowe managed to bring the team Lower and Lower.

Klowe can't hear you. He's got two Stanley Cup rings stuck in his ears.

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#196 WinterNightSky
November 13 2013, 12:25AM
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I'll defend Eakins for his forwards on the PK. Who did you want him to use? Look at our roster and tell me who the penalty killers are.

The old penalty killers were Horcoff, Jones, Belanger, Smyth, and occasionally Petrell and Lander. One was traded, two were sent down to start the season, one wasn't re-signed, one was bought out instead of Ben Eager, and one has been injured for a fair portion of the season.

We are playing our best penalty killers. Whose fault is that?

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#197 mlcselli
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Smokey wrote:

Klowe can't hear you. He's got two Stanley Cup rings stuck in his ears.

I know where I'd like to stick the other four. #firelowe

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#198 pkam
November 13 2013, 12:43AM
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I took the ice time from the NHL site. I combined the numbers from this season and last season.I didn't just add them, you have to multiply the proportion of games from each season by the total number of games (65) and then multiply that by each average ice time provided by the NHL website. Your numbers are out of context because you are averaging this season. It is like saying someone is not starving to death because he has eaten an average of 500 grams of beef over 10 days, when the reality is that person ate 2 kgs of beef the first five days and then nothing on the last 5.

You're right, I am talking about his ice this season. Yak didn't complain his ice time last season. Did he?

The fact is his ice time has up this season until the last 4 games. He has about 17 minutes per game for 13 games and he put up 1 pt. Even Eakins cut his ice time in the last 4 games, his average ice time with Eakins is still over 15 minutes per game.

So the coach gave you 13 games at 17 minutes per game and you put up 1 pt, what is the coach going to say when the other players question why they put up more points and better +/- per 60 minutes were not given more ice time?

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#199 Loyal Oil
November 13 2013, 12:54AM
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Embarrassing for the media covering Oilers that they gleefully grill a kid for nine minutes but haven't got the guts to ask a single hard question to the most incompetent management group in hockey for the last half dozen years.

THIS ^. even the ON writers don't hold six rings accountable for this mess. Easier to bash a barely 20 year old kid from a different country that is just learning the language and is of a different religion. This is a sad day for the City of Edmonton.

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#200 BleedOil4Life
November 13 2013, 01:20AM
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@Loyal Oil

who said anything about his religion?? NO ONE!

this kid was not forced to answer these questions...he gave the answers he wanted to give. he is pissed off and frustrated that we have 4 wins and he has not been given ice time.

the problem is that he also said earlier this year he has played the game a certain way which is offence first and he doesnt wanna change that.

he needs to realize to succeed in the nhl you need to play a two way game.

he could have went to the coaches...which he didnt...he could have went to the management...which he didnt...he went to the media so he was asked questions.

he needs to man up take the mins he is given and just play the game better.

plain and simple

and if he wants out after one year while guys like hall eberle hemsky rnh gagner smyth jones all want to see it through...then dont let the door hit you on the way out.

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