YAKUPOV WANTS MORE ICETIME

Jason Gregor
November 12 2013 01:56PM

 

Nail Yakupov wants more icetime. He wants to help his teammates win. He also feels his head coach doesn't trust him. Yakupov spoke with the media after practice today, and it was clear he was frustrated. As he should be. Losing stinks, and I'd hope every Oiler is frustrated.

Yakupov is usually very quiet and reserved with the media, but today he spoke with conviction and passion.

He was asked about his agent's, Igor Larionov, comments about a possible trade.

"I know where he is coming from, we have to do something. I don't see any trust towards me now. I'm playing lower and lower minutes, and I just want to help my team win every game. I haven't had much chance to to that, and it pretty hard to watch the game from the bench when my teammates are fighting for puck and points, because I know I can do the same thing.

"I don't want to say anything bad, but I just want to say that I want to be here. I love the city. I'd love to play with these players. We have a great staff and the atmosphere in games is great. I want to be part of the Oilers," said Yakupov.

When asked how he felt he's played defensively he responded with this:

"I've played good. I've always played like that. I watch everyone play the same. I don't think that question is for me, it is for the coach. I play good," Yakupov said.

When asked if he asked his agent to go public he responded with a smile, "I don't know, that is a tough question. I can't say anything now. Maybe we will see if something changes in a couple of days."

TRADE

He was asked directly if he has asked for a trade.

"I wasn't asking for a trade. I don't want to say anything bad, but I heard something (trade rumour) in the summer, something at the start of the season and then two weeks ago, but we'll see...who knows. I just want to play. I don't want to play nine or five minutes. I think I can play more and I think I can help my teammates to get points. We need points.

"I'm 20 years old and I think this is a  very important year for me learning to play hockey. Sometimes players who are sitting a lot when they are 19 or 20 years old they stop playing hockey. I just want to play. We will see if that ( lack of icetime) is going to be more and more, and if not we will have to figure out something," said Yakupov.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN? 

Yakupov is clearly frustrated. He wants to play more, and you can't blame him for that. Was this the best way to go about it? Probably not, but he isn't the first professional player to go public with his frustrations about a lack of playing time.

When Eakins spoke after Yakupov he wasn't upset at all. He said he understood Yakupov's frustration, but he said he has seen Yakupov working hard to improve his game. He also said that he won't change how he coaches because Yakupov went public with his frustrations.

The most interesting thing to me was when Yakupov said he heard trade rumours in the summer. I can't recall any rumours then, but maybe the Oilers were shopping him. 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Igor Larionov meets with Craig MacTavish later this week. 

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#201 TDSM31
November 13 2013, 01:48AM
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Batfink wrote:

Same Ference that's been a turn over machine last few games? Who rips a strip off him?

Regardless of whether or not we think Ference should have the C, the bottom line is he is the captain and its his job. So when captains have bad stretches of play they aren't allowed to handle situations like this?? "Ok Joe, you had the best game last night so I guess you should say something to Yakupov". WTF. Has nobody been a part of a hockey team on this forum?

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#202 Delphil
November 13 2013, 02:27AM
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mlcselli wrote:

I know where I'd like to stick the other four. #firelowe

They are already there

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#203 Rheal1
November 13 2013, 04:40AM
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EKLUND on hockeybuzz.com is comparing Yakupov to Alexandre Daigle. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/The-Russian-Alexandre-Daigle-Trade-Winds-Rush-in-Western-Canada/1/55632 That guy Eklund has been very suspicious and totally wrong when he made predictions or claims to have sources in the NHL. Seems to me like he's full of it. He is the prototypical unreliable hockey source himself. Yakupov is definitely not Daigle... Props if you think Eklund is a moron.

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#204 Oilcruzer
November 13 2013, 05:02AM
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Bad idea here.

Play him more and coach risks losing cred.

If you don't play him more.... Well...

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#205 madjam
November 13 2013, 05:58AM
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Instead of developing a competitive team we have gone from boys on the bus , to a continuing spiral of throwing the boys under the bus . Somehow that justifies coaching and management accountability and jobs ? Any one else gone public has been weeded out and same will more than likely happen sooner over later .

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#206 DrunkGuyTy
November 13 2013, 06:12AM
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A couple things: 1. This 20 year old is being guided through this by his agent who, IMO, is doing him a disservice by taking this public. This is on Larionov, not Yak. 2. Do you think there was any way in helll he was going to be able to get out of the rink yesterday without having to face the gossip girls with their microphones?

I yearn for the good ol' days when you cheered for your team and were loyal to the players because they were part of that team. Now you have too many jock- sniffing media members trying to create stories and blow them all out proportion for blog hits. Unfortunately, there is a new generation of fans who know no different and are unable to read between the lines on the script of these soap operas.

...and the pussification continues. As someone with a set of balls, I don't give a sh!t how these players, coaches, and fans "feel" about things. Talk about wins, losses, goals and assists. It is a good thing to be frustrated and pissed off with losing. Let the animal instinct run its course. Why do we need hear about it?

So why read the article? Try finding anything about the team where this situation isn't front and centre.

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#207 Larry
November 13 2013, 06:50AM
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DrunkGuyTy wrote:

A couple things: 1. This 20 year old is being guided through this by his agent who, IMO, is doing him a disservice by taking this public. This is on Larionov, not Yak. 2. Do you think there was any way in helll he was going to be able to get out of the rink yesterday without having to face the gossip girls with their microphones?

I yearn for the good ol' days when you cheered for your team and were loyal to the players because they were part of that team. Now you have too many jock- sniffing media members trying to create stories and blow them all out proportion for blog hits. Unfortunately, there is a new generation of fans who know no different and are unable to read between the lines on the script of these soap operas.

...and the pussification continues. As someone with a set of balls, I don't give a sh!t how these players, coaches, and fans "feel" about things. Talk about wins, losses, goals and assists. It is a good thing to be frustrated and pissed off with losing. Let the animal instinct run its course. Why do we need hear about it?

So why read the article? Try finding anything about the team where this situation isn't front and centre.

What he said! P.S. I didn't read the article cause I don't give a f@&k...

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#208 xxxxxx
November 13 2013, 06:58AM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Bad idea here.

Play him more and coach risks losing cred.

If you don't play him more.... Well...

you mean coach loses even MORE credibility.....thats something this whole organization lacks right now....

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#209 The_CWD_GarbageMan
November 13 2013, 07:30AM
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Figure a guy like Larionov would know that he's playing attrocious D. The whole team is but take your lumps like a man and play better (ie. The Stamkos).

He's lucky we dont have gulags here.

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#210 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 13 2013, 07:36AM
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Loyal Oil wrote:

THIS ^. even the ON writers don't hold six rings accountable for this mess. Easier to bash a barely 20 year old kid from a different country that is just learning the language and is of a different religion. This is a sad day for the City of Edmonton.

to be fair the first media guy who starts going after management the way we, the fans, want them to will be blackballed faster than feaster getting in line at a buffet.

would you go to your place of work, walk into the bosses office and rip him for the job he is doing? knowing full well that your chances of keeping your job would be slim?

the fans need to start backing up the tough talk with their wallets before anything changes. going after media for not asking tough questions, while valid, solves nothing.

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#211 Truth
November 13 2013, 08:12AM
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This sours me on Yak. You're 20 years old, the worst plus minus in the league, and are clearly no better than two other players that play your position at this time. Be better than at least one of them in all areas of the ice and your ice time will go up. Whining to the media about it does not make you a better player. If I was Ference I would sit down with him and tell him how life works, maybe tell him it is a team decision that he sits the next game or two until he realizes it is a team sport and the coach decides how to utilize each player to give the team the best chance to win.

On the other side of it, Eakins is clearly a hard ass and his style of coaching is not what Yakupov is used to. In the preseason I remember Eakins commenting on how he has to get to know each individual to get an idea on what makes each player tick. Obviously his approach with Yak is not working. Yak's antics cannot do anything but worsen his relationship with his coach. I see Yak or Eakins gone prior to the start of next season, and I bet MacT doesn't want to fire 2 coaches in one calender year.

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#212 sizzay
November 13 2013, 08:17AM
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Interesting stat on NHL.com

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20142EDMSASALL&sort=giveaways&viewName=rtssPlayerStats

Look at where Yak is on giveaways. Granted one or two may have been bad ones.

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#213 Serious Gord
November 13 2013, 08:21AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

to be fair the first media guy who starts going after management the way we, the fans, want them to will be blackballed faster than feaster getting in line at a buffet.

would you go to your place of work, walk into the bosses office and rip him for the job he is doing? knowing full well that your chances of keeping your job would be slim?

the fans need to start backing up the tough talk with their wallets before anything changes. going after media for not asking tough questions, while valid, solves nothing.

I disagree completely.

The media - save for a select few - are NOT employees of Daryl Katz. That they pussyfoot around the issues in order to curry favor/get access is a black mark against them.

No doubt being a sports journo in a small market like EDM and calling it how one sees it can be risky - certainly Katz and co have the ability to put pressure on you and your employer. But that is no excuse to ditch ones ethics and mute ones critiques.

Some journos have criticized ownership - especially of late: rishaug and brownlee to name two.

An interesting thing happens when you are a journo who calls it as one sees it:

You get read/listened too.

And that is the path to success in that industry.

In time perhaps we will look back on this and see it as a sort of maturation of the Edmonton sports media - the period in which they became independent and no longer a bunch of backwater lackeys.

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#214 **
November 13 2013, 08:26AM
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pkam wrote:

You're right, I am talking about his ice this season. Yak didn't complain his ice time last season. Did he?

The fact is his ice time has up this season until the last 4 games. He has about 17 minutes per game for 13 games and he put up 1 pt. Even Eakins cut his ice time in the last 4 games, his average ice time with Eakins is still over 15 minutes per game.

So the coach gave you 13 games at 17 minutes per game and you put up 1 pt, what is the coach going to say when the other players question why they put up more points and better +/- per 60 minutes were not given more ice time?

you just don't get it. I give up.

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#215 Serious Gord
November 13 2013, 08:27AM
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This sours me on Yak. You're 20 years old, the worst plus minus in the league, and are clearly no better than two other players that play your position at this time. Be better than at least one of them in all areas of the ice and your ice time will go up. Whining to the media about it does not make you a better player. If I was Ference I would sit down with him and tell him how life works, maybe tell him it is a team decision that he sits the next game or two until he realizes it is a team sport and the coach decides how to utilize each player to give the team the best chance to win.

On the other side of it, Eakins is clearly a hard ass and his style of coaching is not what Yakupov is used to. In the preseason I remember Eakins commenting on how he has to get to know each individual to get an idea on what makes each player tick. Obviously his approach with Yak is not working. Yak's antics cannot do anything but worsen his relationship with his coach. I see Yak or Eakins gone prior to the start of next season, and I bet MacT doesn't want to fire 2 coaches in one calender year.

Someone should do a dissection of the promises made by Eakins in that early presser comparing what he said with the results on the ice. I'm pretty sure it would be a damning indictment of him as a coach.

And no doubt at the time of that presser it was Music to the ears of ON.

And MacT.

Perhaps he was sold on Eakins presentation - having never watched a single game of Eakins work in the AHL.

There is a difference between Bold and rash.

It seems to me that MacT has conflated the two.

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#216 Loyal Oil
November 13 2013, 08:29AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

to be fair the first media guy who starts going after management the way we, the fans, want them to will be blackballed faster than feaster getting in line at a buffet.

would you go to your place of work, walk into the bosses office and rip him for the job he is doing? knowing full well that your chances of keeping your job would be slim?

the fans need to start backing up the tough talk with their wallets before anything changes. going after media for not asking tough questions, while valid, solves nothing.

Are you actually suggesting that Lowe gives Stauffer special buffet privileges? Wow, I'm shocked! I agree with your point but it make me sick that the media guys will rip apart this barely 20 year old kid who has fully embraced this city but won't touch the 'adults' at the top who are responsible for this mess. It would be awesome I there was a courageous media voice that stepped out from the crowd.

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#217 Taylor Gang
November 13 2013, 08:30AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

I disagree completely.

The media - save for a select few - are NOT employees of Daryl Katz. That they pussyfoot around the issues in order to curry favor/get access is a black mark against them.

No doubt being a sports journo in a small market like EDM and calling it how one sees it can be risky - certainly Katz and co have the ability to put pressure on you and your employer. But that is no excuse to ditch ones ethics and mute ones critiques.

Some journos have criticized ownership - especially of late: rishaug and brownlee to name two.

An interesting thing happens when you are a journo who calls it as one sees it:

You get read/listened too.

And that is the path to success in that industry.

In time perhaps we will look back on this and see it as a sort of maturation of the Edmonton sports media - the period in which they became independent and no longer a bunch of backwater lackeys.

Rishaug is probably the only media man with the backing that wouldn't get him in hot water with ownership. It's nice to hear him calling out the ill advised decisions of Katz and Co.

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#218 Serious Gord
November 13 2013, 08:32AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Rishaug is probably the only media man with the backing that wouldn't get him in hot water with ownership. It's nice to hear him calling out the ill advised decisions of Katz and Co.

I would put Spector in the same group although I'm not sure if he's still part of the Edmonton sports media group.

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#219 jr_christ
November 13 2013, 08:40AM
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It's not a sense of entitlement. It's the fact that he is one of many that struggle defensively but the coach seems to only bench him.

Was Yak caught standing still on a couple goals this year? You bet he was. However, I seem to remember TWO passes Hall made directly to the other team that lead to GWG. How many games was Hall benched for that?

I remember Hemsky turning the puck over to Stamkos the other day... how many games was he benched for that?

Messages are only being sent to players that appear to speak their mind. I have a feeling this locker room is more screwed up than in was in 2008-2009...

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#220 TKB2677
November 13 2013, 08:40AM
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What ever happened to EARNING your ice time? Is that not applicable anymore in the NHL according to Yakupov?

He's a league worst -14. He has 2 goals, 4 points in 17 games. He is an offensive player so when he isn't scoring, he doesn't do much else. I don't think anyone expects Yakupov to compete for the Selke but he could at least not be a complete train wreck in his own zone.

When the Yak booster club come out and bring up that Hall, Nuge, Eberle all are giving the puck and poor Yak is being singled out, I always laugh. They are right, those 3 need to be much better with the puck but here's the kicker. THEY ARE PRODUCING!! Eberle - 15 pts Nuge - 13 pts Hall - 12 pts

So what has he done to earn anymore ice time. If he was scoring you could cover your eyes a bite and let him make mistakes because he still scores. He's not scoring. SO not only is he terrible defensively and from his comments thinks he's doing a good job, he isn't scoring at all to at least make up for his defensively lapses.

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#221 2004Z06
November 13 2013, 08:43AM
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I think the biggest issue with this situation is Yak is not on a level playing field here. Taylor Hall, RNH, Eberle, Gagner, J Schultz have all been turnover machines this year. They are all amongst the worst in the league +/- yet not one of them has been sat. Eakins preached accountability regardless of age or money or draft order.

All are accountable for this debacle, not just Yak.

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#222 Smokey
November 13 2013, 08:45AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

to be fair the first media guy who starts going after management the way we, the fans, want them to will be blackballed faster than feaster getting in line at a buffet.

would you go to your place of work, walk into the bosses office and rip him for the job he is doing? knowing full well that your chances of keeping your job would be slim?

the fans need to start backing up the tough talk with their wallets before anything changes. going after media for not asking tough questions, while valid, solves nothing.

I don't think we will see fans not support the team. Team just has to turn it around for 3 games and people will go watch. I watched the game where the Oilers stopped their 16 game loosing streak in 2010 against Carolina. There was a full house there for that night and reminded me fans here are loyal and world class. There are only probably 6-8 teams in the NHL that could withstand continually loosing. I don't think fans should stop going.

I guess for me that's why I wish our media would go after Lowe and MacT. When Spector went after ol' Sixrings this spring it was awesome that a guy with clout finally stepped over the line and asked questions no one else would. These media guys read these blogs, know the general mood of the fans, but do they ever ask the Oilers coaches or GM's the tough questions people want to hear. Hell, I would be going after Eakins for taking the donuts outta the media scrum, I'd make him pay.

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#223 Grant
November 13 2013, 08:47AM
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@Serious Gord

Gord you talk tough on here, but yesterday you hung up on Gregor show and didn't call back in. Scared to have someone debate your thoughts, or points that often are incorrect?

Easy to say ask people to talk tough, but when you had the chance you hung up.

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#224 Wäx Män Riley
November 13 2013, 08:48AM
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jr_christ wrote:

It's not a sense of entitlement. It's the fact that he is one of many that struggle defensively but the coach seems to only bench him.

Was Yak caught standing still on a couple goals this year? You bet he was. However, I seem to remember TWO passes Hall made directly to the other team that lead to GWG. How many games was Hall benched for that?

I remember Hemsky turning the puck over to Stamkos the other day... how many games was he benched for that?

Messages are only being sent to players that appear to speak their mind. I have a feeling this locker room is more screwed up than in was in 2008-2009...

Hall and Hemsky are proven NHL players, Yakupov is not. He has played very poorly, and in the last minute I'm putting Hall and Hemskyvon before Yak every day.

That's why his minutes were cut.

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#225 camdog
November 13 2013, 08:51AM
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@sizzay

Another intersting stat is that Ryan Smyth has 3 even strength points and Yaks 2 to start the season, and Smyth has even less ice time.

The reality is this team has lost games trying to give him minutes. He can't play with Gags because Gags is too bad defensively, he can't play with RNH because he can't handle playing agiaint the other teams top d-man.

This leaves the third line and third line minutes and if he can't be happy with that there really isn't a spot in the NHL for him, because on any team in the NHL right now he's a 3rd liner, playing 3rd line minutes. He will improve dramatically playing against the other teams 3rd pairing d-man,second tier forwards and with spot powerplay action. Problems is I don't think he is smart enough to realize this.

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#226 jr_christ
November 13 2013, 08:55AM
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Bob Stauffer sent a tweet somewhere around games 5-7 saying something to the effect of that if we are at the bottom after game 20 then there is reason for fans to legitimately get upset with the Oilers.

Now he is tweeting garbage like "the team is getting better. Let's compare to some stats from last year like shot differential and face off percentage". How many points do we get for shot differential and face off percentage? Yes these are baby steps in the right direction... but is the the kind of progress you were expecting 4 years into the rebuild??

Are you serious right now? We've waited 8 damn years for a return to the post season and you have the audacity to insult us with BS stats like that?

I don't want to lose any of our key players like Hall, Eberle, RNH, Schultz or Yakupov but this team isn't good. We are getting schooled game in and game out and it's the 10 minutes of skilled hockey we play that even keeps us remotely in any of the games we play.

4 (or 5) wins in the first 20 games played should be a wake up call. 25% of the season will be played and we are on pace for 16-20 wins this season.

Let's just sit back and keep watching this derained train continue it's path of destruction. After all, according to Stauffer we are a better team this year.

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#227 pkam
November 13 2013, 08:57AM
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@2004Z06

Hall, Eberle, etc put up points, does Yak? If you are a liability in defense and not an asset in offense, should the coach bench those who at least contribute in offense to give you the ice time you want?

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#228 jr_christ
November 13 2013, 08:57AM
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@Wäx Män Riley

Thanks Eakins...

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#229 madjam
November 13 2013, 08:58AM
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PROBLEM FOUND ? Onus on MacT. to correct it before things get further out of hand .

MANAGING THE CAP - Taken from coppernblue article by gew_rocks . Defence - first pairing usually has 10% minimum with average being $15% , max.17% - we are at $8% only . That's a huge problem with a bad defence to begin with .Ridding of Smid very questionable . Goalie is 6% minimum, Ave.8% , and max.11% . We are once again way under budget at 5% . Forwards we are okay except for being at max 15% third line .

As one can see , when you scrimpout on goalie and defence you put an inordinant amount of pressure on forwards to over compensate their offensive games to accommodate the two worst areas of our hockey club -goalie and defence . Results show just that do they not ? Ridding of Hemsky and Smtyh might help alleviate that problem before allowing our youth to flee . Seems like MacT. the bulk of the problems here believe it or not .

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#230 Edmonton First
November 13 2013, 08:59AM
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My god... you Edmonton fans are still drinking the coolaide huh?

Listen to some of the garbage some of you are saying about Yakupov.

The Oilers are a mess...

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#231 jr_christ
November 13 2013, 09:01AM
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pkam wrote:

Hall, Eberle, etc put up points, does Yak? If you are a liability in defense and not an asset in offense, should the coach bench those who at least contribute in offense to give you the ice time you want?

Sure he should bench Yak. He'll just want out of Edmonton. That's the kind of win-win you are looking for though?

Does he have a sense of entitlement? Of course he does... he was picked 1st overall. At least he doesn't through temper tantrums like Hall does on the ice. That's just pathetic.

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#232 Taylor Gang
November 13 2013, 09:07AM
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Everyone needs to stop with the "Yak gets ripped but the other kids don't". Sure, the kids make mistakes, but they're getting points. Bench them? Bench the only people on our team who can score?! Look at the stats sheet! Why would you bench our top 3 scorers, no matter how bad they're giving up the puck? Yakupov makes the same mistakes, but I can count the amount of points he has on one hand. So sure it's not completely justified but Eakins does have a point.

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#233 Taylor Gang
November 13 2013, 09:08AM
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jr_christ wrote:

Sure he should bench Yak. He'll just want out of Edmonton. That's the kind of win-win you are looking for though?

Does he have a sense of entitlement? Of course he does... he was picked 1st overall. At least he doesn't through temper tantrums like Hall does on the ice. That's just pathetic.

And whining to the media isn't pathetic? I'll take the tantrums on the ice any day, at least it isn't a sideshow distraction...

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#234 pkam
November 13 2013, 09:10AM
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While some fans here are bashing the coach and defending Yak, let's look at what happen to this year 1st overall Nathan Mackinnon.

Mackinnon also played 17 games averages about 15 minutes (14:55 from NHL.com) per game mostly on the 3rd line. He has 11 pts and +6. 3 of those 17 games he got less than 11 minutes. Other than the ppg and +/-, all other stats are very similar.

He ties at 5th in scoring but 10th in ice time amongst all forwards. Yak is 9th in scoring and 9th in ice time amongst all Oilers forwards.

Who do you think deserve more ice time? Did we hear Mackinnon complain about lack of ice time?

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#235 DSF
November 13 2013, 09:14AM
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Staples looks at who is making mistakes while playing defense:

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/13/who-is-failing-on-defence-for-the-oilers-yakupov-not-the-only-one/

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#236 madjam
November 13 2013, 09:15AM
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IN A NUTSHELL :Forwards taking the fall for an understaffed goalie and defensive spending . That's a managerial oversite of which the forwards are being unjustly brutalized for . Fix the backend and just watch how fast these kids will progress .

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#237 Dave
November 13 2013, 09:25AM
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DSF wrote:

Staples looks at who is making mistakes while playing defense:

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/13/who-is-failing-on-defence-for-the-oilers-yakupov-not-the-only-one/

If one or two players are making mistakes then those players should be blamed but if most if not all the players are making mistakes I would blame the one coach who is new. Eakins.

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#238 D-Unit
November 13 2013, 09:28AM
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Cause in the system the Oilers never had enough Soft D-men? College does not equal NHL. AHL Does not equal NHL. Oilers scouting is pretty terrible, but when you pick #1 3 years in a row, you don't really need to work on it. Agree the Oil need veteran leadership. As well, Advertisements are very often misleading...as I believe is the case here.

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#239 2004Z06
November 13 2013, 09:34AM
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Harlie wrote:

The moran who put a C on him before he earned it.

The "moran"? How ironic. Name one player on the Oilers that has more playoff experience than Ference? Exactly! Three cup final appearances in his career and one cup won.

He is the only player that has "earned it" Or were you expecting to give it to one of these overpaid, entitled, coach killer brats that throw tantrums, chirp the refs and haven't earned a damn thing including their paycheck?

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#240 2004Z06
November 13 2013, 09:43AM
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@pkam

Fair point, but that is not what Eakins was preaching at the beginning of the year when he made his comment.

Accountability for effort, and playing on both sides of the puck.

I will give Hall and RNH credit for at least getting on their horse to get back to help defend.

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#241 pkam
November 13 2013, 09:50AM
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madjam wrote:

PROBLEM FOUND ? Onus on MacT. to correct it before things get further out of hand .

MANAGING THE CAP - Taken from coppernblue article by gew_rocks . Defence - first pairing usually has 10% minimum with average being $15% , max.17% - we are at $8% only . That's a huge problem with a bad defence to begin with .Ridding of Smid very questionable . Goalie is 6% minimum, Ave.8% , and max.11% . We are once again way under budget at 5% . Forwards we are okay except for being at max 15% third line .

As one can see , when you scrimpout on goalie and defence you put an inordinant amount of pressure on forwards to over compensate their offensive games to accommodate the two worst areas of our hockey club -goalie and defence . Results show just that do they not ? Ridding of Hemsky and Smtyh might help alleviate that problem before allowing our youth to flee . Seems like MacT. the bulk of the problems here believe it or not .

If salary is the problem, there is a simple solution. Petry and Schultz contracts are up this year. Just sign them to 7M and problem solved.

The Oilers management had been trying to land a top pairing D for a couple of years. Rumors were Tambellini approached the agent of Weber and Suter and neither of them were interested to come to Edmonton. And we all know Edmonton was on the list that JaBo will not go to.

Perhaps you can force another GM and top pairing to come to Edmonton. I am sure MacT will pay fair market salary or even overpay to sign one.

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#242 Serious Gord
November 13 2013, 09:59AM
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Grant wrote:

Gord you talk tough on here, but yesterday you hung up on Gregor show and didn't call back in. Scared to have someone debate your thoughts, or points that often are incorrect?

Easy to say ask people to talk tough, but when you had the chance you hung up.

Thank you for this.

I got cut off/the cell dropped out. I have no idea when it happened during my call as I have not had a chance to listen to the podcast.

I thought I made excellent points throughout - but I may have been talking to a dead line for 30 seconds or more.

I will call in again when I get the time - maybe today.

Ps- thanks for listening!!

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#243 pkam
November 13 2013, 10:10AM
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Sure he should bench Yak. He'll just want out of Edmonton. That's the kind of win-win you are looking for though?

Does he have a sense of entitlement? Of course he does... he was picked 1st overall. At least he doesn't through temper tantrums like Hall does on the ice. That's just pathetic.

So because he is 1st overall, he is entitled to more ice time and doesn't have to earn it?

Because he may wants out of town, then we have to bend backwards to please him and give him anything he wants?

Is this the message you want to send to the rest of the team? Is this the accountability you ask from the management and coaching staff?

If I remember correctly, Stamkos was benched in 2009. What a stupid move by Tampa, they were driving the best sniper out of town.

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#244 Burp Snart
November 13 2013, 10:12AM
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Yakupov and Larionov should go phuckov and pissov...

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#245 pkam
November 13 2013, 10:17AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Fair point, but that is not what Eakins was preaching at the beginning of the year when he made his comment.

Accountability for effort, and playing on both sides of the puck.

I will give Hall and RNH credit for at least getting on their horse to get back to help defend.

Can Eakins bench the whole team, or even half the team? Only if he can and he didn't then your argument is valid.

Everyone is jumping on Eakins regarding Gagner. Gagner only played 6 games so far and with a broken jaw. Yak at least got 17 minutes average for 13 games before his ice time was cut. How is Eakins not fair to Yak?

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#246 camdog
November 13 2013, 10:49AM
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Can Eakins bench the whole team, or even half the team? Only if he can and he didn't then your argument is valid.

Everyone is jumping on Eakins regarding Gagner. Gagner only played 6 games so far and with a broken jaw. Yak at least got 17 minutes average for 13 games before his ice time was cut. How is Eakins not fair to Yak?

Sam is a veteran of 420 NHL games. How how many more seasons do we give him before we know what we got?

I guess Mact has promised him that he wouldn't trade him this season and I think the no trade clause kicks in for next season. So I guess that's 2 more years?

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#247 2004Z06
November 13 2013, 10:56AM
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@pkam

My argument is valid based on what this coach was preaching earlier this year.

"Can the coach bench the whole team, or even half the team?"

Really? I need to explain how this works?

The Oilers have played 19 games this year. Yak was benched for 2, Smyth for 1.

That leaves 16 other opportunities to sit a player. None of those opportunities were utilized.

Gagner is a horrible centerman, always has been. His plus/minus, face off % , fore-checking ability and defensive play are atrocious and not improving over the last 6 years.

I like his effort and he certainly has some offensive upside, but he is and always has been better off on the wing. Injury or no injury.

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November 13 2013, 10:56AM
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Terry Jones: "It’s almost impossible to not interpret this as a player with the worst plus-minus in the NHL — whose defensive play is one of the biggest reasons the team is off to such a shameful start — showing an almost unprecedented sense of entitlement."

Then the response from Tyler Dellow at mc79hockey dot com:

"It turns out you can check this in like three minutes. Overall, the Oilers are 30th in 5v5 GA/60. When Yakupov isn’t on the ice, they rise all the way up to 29th in the NHL. Just like the 1995 New Jersey Devils!

Also of note: when Sam Gagner’s on the ice at 5v5, the Oilers are allowing a smooth 5.77 GA/60 at 5v5. RNH is getting hammered to the tune of 4.28 5v5 GA/60. There are a lot of culprits here. Singling a guy out unfairly doesn’t really do much to build your case that he has a perverse case of entitlement."

Terry Jone's comment is just an example of the double standard and bias against non canadian players that some media have.

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#249 Rob...
November 13 2013, 11:14AM
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Maybe I've missed it, but Yak has made some nice plays to pass to Ryan Smyth lately only to see him unable to take the pass or otherwise squander the opportunity.

How much of Yak's frustration is related to doing his damnest to resist his urge to try to deke 3 players to take the puck to the net, but passing to the open man just isn't an option with who he's currently forced to play with?

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#250 2004Z06
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** wrote:

Terry Jones: "It’s almost impossible to not interpret this as a player with the worst plus-minus in the NHL — whose defensive play is one of the biggest reasons the team is off to such a shameful start — showing an almost unprecedented sense of entitlement."

Then the response from Tyler Dellow at mc79hockey dot com:

"It turns out you can check this in like three minutes. Overall, the Oilers are 30th in 5v5 GA/60. When Yakupov isn’t on the ice, they rise all the way up to 29th in the NHL. Just like the 1995 New Jersey Devils!

Also of note: when Sam Gagner’s on the ice at 5v5, the Oilers are allowing a smooth 5.77 GA/60 at 5v5. RNH is getting hammered to the tune of 4.28 5v5 GA/60. There are a lot of culprits here. Singling a guy out unfairly doesn’t really do much to build your case that he has a perverse case of entitlement."

Terry Jone's comment is just an example of the double standard and bias against non canadian players that some media have.

Great post!

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