YAKUPOV WANTS MORE ICETIME

Jason Gregor
November 12 2013 01:56PM

 

Nail Yakupov wants more icetime. He wants to help his teammates win. He also feels his head coach doesn't trust him. Yakupov spoke with the media after practice today, and it was clear he was frustrated. As he should be. Losing stinks, and I'd hope every Oiler is frustrated.

Yakupov is usually very quiet and reserved with the media, but today he spoke with conviction and passion.

He was asked about his agent's, Igor Larionov, comments about a possible trade.

"I know where he is coming from, we have to do something. I don't see any trust towards me now. I'm playing lower and lower minutes, and I just want to help my team win every game. I haven't had much chance to to that, and it pretty hard to watch the game from the bench when my teammates are fighting for puck and points, because I know I can do the same thing.

"I don't want to say anything bad, but I just want to say that I want to be here. I love the city. I'd love to play with these players. We have a great staff and the atmosphere in games is great. I want to be part of the Oilers," said Yakupov.

When asked how he felt he's played defensively he responded with this:

"I've played good. I've always played like that. I watch everyone play the same. I don't think that question is for me, it is for the coach. I play good," Yakupov said.

When asked if he asked his agent to go public he responded with a smile, "I don't know, that is a tough question. I can't say anything now. Maybe we will see if something changes in a couple of days."

TRADE

He was asked directly if he has asked for a trade.

"I wasn't asking for a trade. I don't want to say anything bad, but I heard something (trade rumour) in the summer, something at the start of the season and then two weeks ago, but we'll see...who knows. I just want to play. I don't want to play nine or five minutes. I think I can play more and I think I can help my teammates to get points. We need points.

"I'm 20 years old and I think this is a  very important year for me learning to play hockey. Sometimes players who are sitting a lot when they are 19 or 20 years old they stop playing hockey. I just want to play. We will see if that ( lack of icetime) is going to be more and more, and if not we will have to figure out something," said Yakupov.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN? 

Yakupov is clearly frustrated. He wants to play more, and you can't blame him for that. Was this the best way to go about it? Probably not, but he isn't the first professional player to go public with his frustrations about a lack of playing time.

When Eakins spoke after Yakupov he wasn't upset at all. He said he understood Yakupov's frustration, but he said he has seen Yakupov working hard to improve his game. He also said that he won't change how he coaches because Yakupov went public with his frustrations.

The most interesting thing to me was when Yakupov said he heard trade rumours in the summer. I can't recall any rumours then, but maybe the Oilers were shopping him. 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Igor Larionov meets with Craig MacTavish later this week. 

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#51 Zarny
November 12 2013, 11:05PM
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Of course Yakupov wants more ice time. Every player wants more. Ryan Jones said the best thing about being sent down was more ice time.

And Yak's situation is on Yak.

Not Eakins. Not Kevin Lowe. Not the guy selling hot dogs and beer.

Statistical comparisons to Stamkos over 65 games etc are irrelevant.

Yak wasn't a healthy scratch because he played poorly. He was a healthy scratch because he played poorly and didn't seem to care.

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#52 Lowe Expectations
November 12 2013, 05:23PM
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Maybe Yakupov has anger at not getting ice time because he thought he might get on the Russian team for the olympics. But that dream is basically dead and he's taking aim at anyone in authority

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#53 God
November 12 2013, 07:44PM
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Yak doesn't decide how much he's played. Eakins does.

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#54 BleedOil4Life
November 13 2013, 01:20AM
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@Loyal Oil

who said anything about his religion?? NO ONE!

this kid was not forced to answer these questions...he gave the answers he wanted to give. he is pissed off and frustrated that we have 4 wins and he has not been given ice time.

the problem is that he also said earlier this year he has played the game a certain way which is offence first and he doesnt wanna change that.

he needs to realize to succeed in the nhl you need to play a two way game.

he could have went to the coaches...which he didnt...he could have went to the management...which he didnt...he went to the media so he was asked questions.

he needs to man up take the mins he is given and just play the game better.

plain and simple

and if he wants out after one year while guys like hall eberle hemsky rnh gagner smyth jones all want to see it through...then dont let the door hit you on the way out.

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#55 Wanye
November 12 2013, 02:23PM
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I LOVE YAK MAKE HIM HAPPY DAMMIT

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#56 Quicksilver ballet
November 12 2013, 02:53PM
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Kinda odd we never heard as much about these Nail Yakupov deficiencies at all last season under Krueger. Usually kids progress when they make it to the NHL.

Singling him out this season while all of Rome is burning (many other players struggling) appears like what a fly by the seat of their pants organization would do.

There's no bloody plan in place. Management is just banking on these kids bailing them all out at some point. Can'em all...POSERS!

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#57 OilCanFan
November 12 2013, 03:01PM
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Here is a novel idea, Eakin's should try and "coach" and live up to what he said about accountability. Players are not being held accountable and he is being out coached most games.

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#58 Poly
November 12 2013, 03:15PM
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This is a dicey situation right now, everyone involved just needs to take a step back and let things settle down.

You cannot make business decisions when emotion is involved, its a sure fire recipe for mistakes.

Yak is young, emotional, and inexperienced. He'll be told to lay low.

Most of Lowe's mistakes seem to be made when he is fired up (Comrie, how many rings he has comment, etc..)so thankfully he is not calling the shots anymore.

Mactavish is a calm operator however. He knows this is the worst time to make a decision, and so he will let it play out. Listen and placate Larionov, spend some time supporting Yak.

Fans will be fans and spout off, media will be media and stir the pot to create a story. Yak, Oilers management, and lord willing Larionov, will just shut up for a few days and let this blow over. Too much emotion.

Win a game and all the hens will disappear for a while.

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#59 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 12 2013, 03:21PM
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Poly wrote:

This is a dicey situation right now, everyone involved just needs to take a step back and let things settle down.

You cannot make business decisions when emotion is involved, its a sure fire recipe for mistakes.

Yak is young, emotional, and inexperienced. He'll be told to lay low.

Most of Lowe's mistakes seem to be made when he is fired up (Comrie, how many rings he has comment, etc..)so thankfully he is not calling the shots anymore.

Mactavish is a calm operator however. He knows this is the worst time to make a decision, and so he will let it play out. Listen and placate Larionov, spend some time supporting Yak.

Fans will be fans and spout off, media will be media and stir the pot to create a story. Yak, Oilers management, and lord willing Larionov, will just shut up for a few days and let this blow over. Too much emotion.

Win a game and all the hens will disappear for a while.

You think Lowe is not calling the shots? I dont think Lowe ever stopped calling the shots,

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#60 j
November 12 2013, 09:03PM
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D-Unit wrote:

I still can't figure out what all the hype was about Schultz. Everyone seemed to wet themselves with excitement that a free agent, who never played an NHL game picked the Oilers. Seemed obvious that there must have been some baggage or issues, that he was a rookie free agent. Then the Oilers give him a contract that like he was a first overall pick. Why? My next fear is what they will do with him as an RFA. Probably want to give him a raise, which he hasn't earned. This will be a big telling item for MacTin my opinion.

You mean the J Schultz who was the best college player prior to turning pro? The J Schultz who was better than any defenseman available in the draft that year as he was 4 years older? The J Schultz who made the AHL look like a junior B league? That J Schultz? The Oilers have amazing talent. They just don't have enough veteran leadership to hone it properly. Coaches can't be held fully responsible - it takes peer support and mentors. J Schultz is a great offensive hockey player. He is exactly as advertised and exactly what we need. Unfortunately, we don't have enough of our 'other' needs filled for it to make a difference.

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#61 RexHolez
November 12 2013, 03:40PM
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Don't give yak anymore ice time!! This team is too good and winning too many games to let him make mistakes and learn the pro game!!!

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#62 Rama Lama
November 12 2013, 03:47PM
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PREDICTION:

Wait till Bryz sounds off after letting in 7 goals.........it will then be the Bryz/Yak show ..........coming soon to a theatre near you.

The Yakabryz .........a movie about something so sinister that you will be frightened to death and ask for the Gulags!

Director: Mr. Fitness........."I had no idea that this duo was so good"! Executive Producer: Mr Six Rings......"no players have called me this many names before"!

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#63 Clarko
November 12 2013, 03:52PM
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TDSM31 wrote:

This is where Larionov needs to do his job. Deal with it internally and make sure your client isn't spouting off publicly. Be a professional about it...the second things get a bit rough you can't go and play the blame game in the media. Jezuz, the kids played a total of 65 games in the show...the sense of entitlement on behalf of Yak and his agent makes me sick.

Maybe its a Russian thing...

Ya...because a Canadian kid has never felt entitled. That Lindros kid dug down deep and played hard for the Nordiques despite not wanting to play there...

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#64 Newj
November 12 2013, 03:55PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Kinda odd we never heard as much about these Nail Yakupov deficiencies at all last season under Krueger. Usually kids progress when they make it to the NHL.

Singling him out this season while all of Rome is burning (many other players struggling) appears like what a fly by the seat of their pants organization would do.

There's no bloody plan in place. Management is just banking on these kids bailing them all out at some point. Can'em all...POSERS!

I would agree with most of those statements, but Yak wasn't a Krueger favourite either.

Just clarifying that this current situation wasn't much different than under Krueger.

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#65 nunyour
November 12 2013, 04:10PM
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I think Yak was trying to say,that if he is benched for poor play why is Dubnyk not benched?

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#66 pkam
November 12 2013, 04:59PM
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woodenshoes wrote:

What ever happened to taking what you get and making the most of it. Play so damn well that the coach has no choice but have you on ice.

You mean like Arcobello?? I think we all know how that's turned out... Or the reverse with Gagner...

Gagner played 6 games this year averaging about 18 min per game and has one point. And he is coming off a serious jaw injury and is not fully healed.

Yak's first 6 games average about 15 min per game and has zero point. His ice time went up to about 17 min per game after 13 games (some games he got 21 min) and he had only 3 points. Only the last 4 games his ice time was reduced to 10 minutes.

So how is it not fair? Shouldn't we at least give Sam Gagner 13 games before we make a comparison?

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#67 D-Unit
November 12 2013, 08:21PM
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DSF wrote:

Some observations:

As many of you will recall, I believed, and still do, that the Oilers should have drafted Galchenyuk. Whenever it's close you should always draft the centre and it was close.

Having said that, anyone who doesn't think there is a double standard at work need look no further than the abysmal defensive play of Justin Schultz.

While Schultz's rookie season looked, on the surface, like a decent one, he gave up far more than he scored at even strength...finishing the season at -17...288th in the league among defensemen.

He averaged 21:26 TOI/G.

This season, before he was injured, he was actually playing much worse.

While he was on pace for a 40 point season, he was also on pace for MINUS 58.

Now, Justin Schultz is not 20...he's 23 and despite playing 4 years in NCAA hockey, he can't play defense AT ALL.

How did Eakins respond to his putrid defensive play?

This season, his average TOI/G is 22:01.

That folks is a double standard.

I still can't figure out what all the hype was about Schultz. Everyone seemed to wet themselves with excitement that a free agent, who never played an NHL game picked the Oilers. Seemed obvious that there must have been some baggage or issues, that he was a rookie free agent. Then the Oilers give him a contract that like he was a first overall pick. Why? My next fear is what they will do with him as an RFA. Probably want to give him a raise, which he hasn't earned. This will be a big telling item for MacTin my opinion.

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#68 Harlie
November 12 2013, 08:34PM
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Batfink wrote:

Same Ference that's been a turn over machine last few games? Who rips a strip off him?

The moran who put a C on him before he earned it.

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#69 vickpeterson
November 12 2013, 02:19PM
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"Have you felt a coach not trust you in your hockey career?"

"No, Never."

Gregor and Rishaug is being such a D***s in the presser.

Gregor: "You average 15 minutes a game this year. What do you want, 18?"

Yak: "No, not the past few games" Rishaug corrected him and said he's been averaging about 10 minutes the past few games, and Yak agreed with Rishaug.

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#70 Hat Pughes
November 12 2013, 02:51PM
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Oil are in a precarious situation here. Have to give props to DE for taking him aside and having Coaching moments with Yak. DE is showing him he has his back....But

The player has to be onside and commit to being better also. Yak has made numerous egregious errors in the neutral and D zone...and yes the rest of the squad is floundering with turnovers and D Zone coverage.

Question about who should he pattern his play after...Answers "Not anyone on the Oilers currently" or "How about following the System DE is teaching" or "How about Igor Larionov". Convo with MacT and Igor will be interesting - wonder if Larionov will discount the value to 2 Way Play.

There's one more element to PP time that I see brewing. Both RNH and Yak seem to want the same piece of ice to do their best PP work - halfwall on the off wing. Cant have them both out there at the same time.

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#71 steelymac
November 12 2013, 02:58PM
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As long as Eakins operates under double standards the relationship between Yak and the club will continue to erode until he either demands a trade or leaves for the KHL.There will be comments that he is being a spoiled brat and I would agree with that if he was the only one playing piss poor defensively.Eakins needs a whipping boy and Yak is it,how else can you explain him riding the pine for the rest of the game after the tying goal.You can knock Ralph Kreuger all you want but the morale on and off the ice was a hell of a lot better than it is now not to mention special teams wich last time I checked was an important part of the game.

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#72 Cyni
November 12 2013, 03:08PM
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Yak's got leverage. Once his entry-level deal expires, he can de-camp to the KHL for a year years. Then come back and sign for huge bucks with a franchise that isn't a laughingstock. Suk.cs to be you, Oiler fan.

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#73 Blucifer Copperballs
November 12 2013, 03:28PM
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If he wants to talk the talk, make him walk the walk. Eakins should give him the extra minutes against the Stars, and see what happens.

Either he plays well and feels justified, or bombs and stops shooting his mouth off. Either way, the situation gets diffused a little. only problem is it set precident for other players to handle a situation poorly ( like Yak and Igor DID) and expect to be rewarded with more minutes.

Would love to hear what happens behind closed doors on this.

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#74 Hemmercules
November 12 2013, 03:31PM
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NJ wrote:

Yak shows more passion, more frustration and more drive than half the oil combined. While his defensive positioning is terrible, the same could be said for Eberle, Gagner and any number of the D men. Bottom line. If you're benching Yak, bench the guys showing less passion and equally bad positioning.

While I don't blame coach per se and appreciate how Eakins handled the press today, I'm tired of the double standard, both the one above and the standard we want Yak to live up to in a rookie year (less than 82 games) where he's played more with 3rd and 4th liners than 1st and 2nd lines.

Unfortunately, the last Oiler who showed that level of frustration got shipped off to Calgary for a sack of hammers.

They should hang that sack of hammers from the crossbar next game, probably post a better save percentage than Dubs and Barbie combined.

When asked if he asked his agent to go public he responded with a smile, "I don't know, that is a tough question. I can't say anything now. Maybe we will see if something changes in a couple of days."

That comment really annoyed me, It basically sounds like "yes I told me agent, and if I'm not getting 20 minutes a night after Lari comes here and lays down the law its gonna be trade request time".

The season is done, might as well play the hell out of him now. I just really hate how him and his agent went about this whole thing.

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#75 doubleA34
November 12 2013, 03:42PM
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ebs, hall and nuge were all aloud to develop by making mistakes and learning from them the last couple years why should yaks be treated any different. Give him playing time and allow him to develop.

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#76 mayorblaine
November 12 2013, 03:43PM
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the only 'kid' on the team that understands defence and is committed full time to it is RNH. As much i'd love to see an oiler on the Olympic team it isn't going to happen. Hall and Eberle haven't got it. hopefully they do.

Yakupov has his issues but so do the other misfits. not recognizing that is a problem.

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#77 NJ
November 12 2013, 04:21PM
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Tim in Kelowna wrote:

This is bad news. He is getting the ice-time he deserves. The play constantly dies on his stick by trying to make the individual play. If I were Eakins I wouldn't give him any more ice time until Yak figured out that he has to use his teammates to help the team. He isn't scoring and he turns the puck over. So why would he get more ice time? Because he's a 1st OA pick? Garbage.

At this rate, with an attitude like that, his value will only decrease. This team needs SO MUCH HELP at SO MANY POSITIONS, I'd be working the phones pretty hard if I were MacT.

IF everyone got the time they "deserved" on the oil, we wouldn't have a team for half the game and all the tenders would be in the AHL. Seriously. Tell me. Does Gagner deserve to be on the ice? Look at the +- of the whole team.

He should get more ice time because this season is shot already, and the more ice time he gets the more he learns. The steeper the learning curve, the sooner we get the the master instead of the student. Yakupov IS going to be a bonafide sniper. The real deal. Is giving Smyth that ice time helping us next year?

He deserves the same ice time Rnh and Hall got in their first year. You have a changing standard based on where this rebuild is supposed to be. The exception to all this is IF the limited minutes is a lesson learned by Yak and he learns 2 way play... That would be ideal. If it ends with him being shipped out of town for anything but a #1 d man (Jones), than I say it's a damn shame and a mistake we'll look back on with 20/20 and regret with tears.

Last. Bench someone else. Confidence is everything in this league and taking the spotlight OFF Yak would be a brilliant decision at this point. Me as a 20 year old, you as the reader and pretty much any 20 year old would never react so superbly to a benching. Give the kid a break.

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#78 michael
November 12 2013, 05:15PM
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Eakins may have a longterm plan for this team but we are currently get creamed more than a barista at a Starbucks. Yaks cry for more ice time is something I applaud. Hear that sound? Its Yakupov giving a S#$% about this team. Wish I heard that from more of our leaders. He is frustrated at losing and wants to do more to stop it from happening. I'll take that everyday and 2x on Sunday. Yak is not being selfish. He is saying what the other 22 guys in the room don't have the balls to say publically. We suck and I don't want this losing to continue. Whats the Klima quote. I can't score from the bench. Another guy in the same mold. And all he did was score and wina Stanley Cup with the Oilers.

Lets bs fly but whe someone speaks the truth I am going to go to the wall with the guy. Yak hates losing. He feels he can have a greater impact. At 4-11-2 we ain't doing diddly. Let him walk the walk. Give him some rope. Pedal to the metal. I hope he proves all right. He is the guy we thought he was/is.

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#79 Woogie63
November 12 2013, 05:38PM
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Do you really care if your RW on the first line can't play defense?

LaFleur, Bossy, Stamkos, and Yakupov need to score GOALS.

Lafleur played with Lemaire who was great defensively.

Bossy played with Trottier who was just great.

Find a combination in the top six that gets this kid scoring and play to his advantage.

Hall. RNH. Yakupov Perron Arco. Ebs

Make a competitive group.

What 20 year old is going to get better playing on you fourth line with basically AHL player for 5 minutes a night?

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#80 **
November 12 2013, 06:01PM
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Facts:

Yakupov is not a very good defensive player. Yakupov was drafted for being an exceptional offensive player.

EAkins said in the summer he would get to know his players by meeting one on one, having water cooler conversations, things like that. Eakins said today that he hasn't spoken with Yakupov one on one about his lack of ice time or his level of trust in him.

Eakins said in the summer it would not matter contract status, or age, everyone would be accountable. Eakins has 7 players at the bottom of the plus/minus stats. Yaks with -14, Hemsky and Nuge with -12, Petry -11, Schultz -10, Gagner -9. Who is the only player being sent to the fourth line and being scratched not once but twice and getting his ice time greatly diminished?: Yakupov.

Steven Stamkos stats for his first season (79 games): 11:58 average ice time per game 23G, 23A, 46 points, plus/minus -13 (keep in mind he is a center with more defensive responsibility)

Nail Yakupov's stats for his first combined 65 games: 12:34 average ice time per game 19G, 16A, 35 points, plus/minus -18 ( this is the combined total of two seasons, with a long break in the summer that could be argued impacted the continuity of Yakupov's development, given how he closed last season, he might have had more points by this time had he played those 65 games continuously. )

Anyone who reads this please tell me:

A) if Yakupov is being given fair treatment, given how long a leash Ebs Hall Nuge Gagner and Hemsky have had on season's past ( I know it is a different coach but he should be aware of these things).

B) If Yakupov's numbers compared to another 1st overall who turned out to be an elite player are that far off course to be trying to run the guy out of town.

Ps: I don't like the plus/minus stat, I think it is extremely flawed, but I have seen it on Edmonton media as an indictment of Yakupov so that is why I included it.

PPS: Jussi JOkinen was traded mid season to make room for Stamkos to play more minutes because that management believed Stamkos was the future even though Jokinen was having a great season and wanted to put him in a legitimate position to succeed.

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#81 Sleepless in Regina, via Edmonton
November 12 2013, 06:13PM
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I'm an oilers fanatic. So anybody with a heart must feel at least an ounce of pity for me. This year has been bad break after bad break. First our goalies became sieves (more so than normal) which lost us 3 or 4 for sure wins. Then the team had 8 starters out with injury, eight! Which lost some wins. And then they completely gave up. The team isn't going to win a championship but healthy and a few breaks here and there and they would never have spiraled to where they are now. Its a disaster. I never loved yakupov, his talent is undeniable, but watching him "fight" in the corners for the puck is a joke. He doesn't want to get his nose dirty 9 times out of 10, which is why he isn't getting on the ice. The most frustrating thing is that that 1 out of 10 time he becomes super man and beats 2 people for the puck and makes a great play. He can do it but won't. I have lost patience with him, now imagine if you played with him and saw him just fake an effort and then deal with the fact that he thinks he should just get more ice time. He isn't a bust and will be good but he has to buy in and so far hasn't. His agent is clearly an idiot. If he thinks that by more or less trying to make it apparent his client would leave its basically saying that he doesn't want to play in edmonton. Congratz, now you have made a mutual benefit trade that much harder for the oilers (thus making it less likely)and you have alienated your client from his fan base who is already pissy, and rightfully so. I would have assumed that this guy knew nothing about hockey or professional sports but i know better. I think he was trying to force the time on ice issue for his client but made a stupid rookie mistake. I honestly think this could end very poorly for the oilers. Which would sum up the season so far. Enigmatic russians? I scoffed last year when some people said it. I also said that the oilers would challenge for a playoff spot this year. I clearly don't know my butt from a hole in the ground. Please send the entire oilers team down to the ahl for a conditioning stint so we can get our confidence back. PS I think bryzgolov is actually going to be good in edmonton. PPS Dammit, I haven't learned anything. sincerely sleepiness in Regina, via Edmonton.

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#82 Harlie
November 12 2013, 08:25PM
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DSF wrote:

If you were starting an expansion team, would you hire Lowe, MacT and Eakins to run the show?

Didn't think so.

No one else in the NHL would hire any one of them.

My Dream Team..

POHO - Scotty Bowman

GM - Dale Tallon

Coach - Mike Babcock

Asst Coach's - Renney, Hitchcock, Quenneville

Trainers - Anybody without the last name Moreau

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#83 Rob...
November 12 2013, 10:25PM
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@Slyers

"The city Of Edmonton I grew up in would never have tolerated this type of behaviour.... And that is maybe one small reason our young guns turned out to be the special players and people they were."

The Edmonton you grew up in thought throwing the 'black guy' under the bus for the same coke problem half the team had was A-OK.

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#84 Harry
November 12 2013, 11:17PM
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madjam wrote:

Seems rather ridiculous to keep MacT. and Eakins when they are doing so much worse than the ones they replaced . Results prove it .

Im no MacT lover but I think a GM should be given more than 7 months to fix a roster

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#85 BleedOil4Life
November 12 2013, 11:21PM
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@DSF

because teams have never made bad picks before

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#86 sizzay
November 12 2013, 02:44PM
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Gregor,

Tell Rishaug to relax. Larionov made the mistake, not Yakupov by going to the media.

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#87 number99
November 12 2013, 02:49PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Are you only counting ES minutes?

He has averaged 15:28 a game.

Look here

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?season=20132014&gameType=2&team=EDM&position=S&country=&status=&viewName=summary#

My bad. Thanks!

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#88 Smokey
November 12 2013, 03:10PM
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Those making comments about sending Yak to the minors, ya lets compound the problem.

In regards to all these kids play the hell outta then. Move out the pieces you don't want, and begin retooling the rebuild. We have to develop these kids, let them play 20 minutes a night, let them figure it out.

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#89 Mikey
November 12 2013, 03:56PM
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mayorblaine wrote:

the only 'kid' on the team that understands defence and is committed full time to it is RNH. As much i'd love to see an oiler on the Olympic team it isn't going to happen. Hall and Eberle haven't got it. hopefully they do.

Yakupov has his issues but so do the other misfits. not recognizing that is a problem.

Hemsky might make the team. Same goes for belov, but probably not. Hell even Bryz.... haha just kidding.

Maybe this was the oilers plan all along. The ole rope a dope. And after the Olympic break they will all be rested up and ready to make the playoffs.

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#90 Quicksilver ballet
November 12 2013, 04:54PM
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Newj wrote:

I would agree with most of those statements, but Yak wasn't a Krueger favourite either.

Just clarifying that this current situation wasn't much different than under Krueger.

Ah, someone's paying attention. I'm not saying he made fewer mistakes last season compared to this one. I was just trying to get across the fact that Krueger and his staff kept it in the dressing room. Not out in the open and creating a toxic environment like Eakins has done. That finger pointing is squarely on our all hat, no cattle coach. Even though warranted, we've never seen that finger pointed in the direction of Hallsy or Eberle, or even Gags these last half dozen games.

Yakupov is a 20 yr old kid. The Oilers organization as a whole, are handling things much like a beginner as well. Good on Yakupov for further embarrassing this organization. As if 6 rings, as well as the on ice play hasn't done a bang up job on that already. The Oilers still have 63 out of 82 remaining nothing games to teach him how to be better without the puck. Use this downtime wisely.

This is Kevin Lowes bed. He made it, let him sleep in it. These are just some of those shippy little details organizations like the Oilers have to go through before changes/realization sets in. What goes around, comes around (Souray) for Lowe and company.

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#91 The Swarm
November 12 2013, 05:25PM
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Eakins is an ego maniac and has been hell belt from day 1 to show how smart he is. Exhibit A through E...

The swarm defense... Using PP specialists to kill penalties... Playing players returning from injury half the game... Utilizing Yak on the 4th friggin line with plumbers... Having Sam (0 for November) Gagner take a draw in your own end with 30 seconds left when down by 1...

I could go on...

It's all insane.

He's trying to re-invent the game and the results speak for themselves. Eakins - YOU ARE NOT SCOTTY FRIGGIN BOWMAN! Get over yourself.

The destruction of Yak hopefully will be the impetus to finally get MacT to realize his mistake and rid the Oilers of Eakins before there is rioting down Jasper Ave.

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#92 **
November 12 2013, 06:32PM
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pkam wrote:

Yak is averaging over 15 min per game over 17 games, and over 17 min over the first 13 games, and he has 3 pts in his 13 games and 4 pts in 17 games. So how much more ice time does he need to help the team win?

Didn't Ben Eager say similar thing too? "I can't do much with 8 min per game." I guess Ben Eager was right and he really wanted to help the team win so we should give him 20 min per game.

Mark Acrobello had less min per game than Yak had in his 1st 13 games. Did Acrobello complain he is not having enough ice time? Oh right, he was averaging almost a point per game in his first 13 games.

Hall and Eberle were getting about 16 min per game in their 1st year and did you hear them complain?

your ice time average is out of context because Yakupov's ice time has been greatly and gradually diminished over the last 6 games from a peak 21:34 to 10:54.

Here are his ice times:

10:54 10:46 (bottom) 11:08 12:47 15:06 21:34 (peak) 20:13 16:16 19:08 15:54 13:05 17:34 17:29 13:21 16:34 16:13 14:57

You are comparing a mature Arcobello, 25 years old, been through several pro seasons in other leagues, to Young Nail Yakupov, immature, still learning a language, his first full pro season. You are comparing apples with oranges. Remember how much leeway Hall and Nuge and Eberle and GAgner got when they were where Yakupov is now and then I dare you to tell me that Yak is not being given the short end of the stick.

Taylor Hall first season: 65 22 20 42points,plus/minus-9

Jordan Eberle first season: 69 18 25 43 -12

Nuge: 62 18 34 52 -2

Gagner:

79 13 36 49 -21

YAkupov (games so far):

65 19 16 35 -18

average ice time (ES) on their first seasons:

Hall: 15:26 Ebs: 14:27 Nuge: 14:33 Gagner:12:46 Yakupov: 12:34

Yakupov has actually done a bit more with less ice time and given the fact that he played half a season, which cut his production short. HE might have had more points than everyone else given how well he ended last season. It is easier to throw hate at YAk for speaking his mind than to fact check and see if there is merit into what he is saying. This post goes to all you Yak haters out there who don't even bother to check basic numbers before you throw your poison.

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#93 DSF
November 12 2013, 06:48PM
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Some observations:

As many of you will recall, I believed, and still do, that the Oilers should have drafted Galchenyuk. Whenever it's close you should always draft the centre and it was close.

Having said that, anyone who doesn't think there is a double standard at work need look no further than the abysmal defensive play of Justin Schultz.

While Schultz's rookie season looked, on the surface, like a decent one, he gave up far more than he scored at even strength...finishing the season at -17...288th in the league among defensemen.

He averaged 21:26 TOI/G.

This season, before he was injured, he was actually playing much worse.

While he was on pace for a 40 point season, he was also on pace for MINUS 58.

Now, Justin Schultz is not 20...he's 23 and despite playing 4 years in NCAA hockey, he can't play defense AT ALL.

How did Eakins respond to his putrid defensive play?

This season, his average TOI/G is 22:01.

That folks is a double standard.

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#94 pkam
November 12 2013, 09:21PM
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** wrote:

your ice time average is out of context because Yakupov's ice time has been greatly and gradually diminished over the last 6 games from a peak 21:34 to 10:54.

Here are his ice times:

10:54 10:46 (bottom) 11:08 12:47 15:06 21:34 (peak) 20:13 16:16 19:08 15:54 13:05 17:34 17:29 13:21 16:34 16:13 14:57

You are comparing a mature Arcobello, 25 years old, been through several pro seasons in other leagues, to Young Nail Yakupov, immature, still learning a language, his first full pro season. You are comparing apples with oranges. Remember how much leeway Hall and Nuge and Eberle and GAgner got when they were where Yakupov is now and then I dare you to tell me that Yak is not being given the short end of the stick.

Taylor Hall first season: 65 22 20 42points,plus/minus-9

Jordan Eberle first season: 69 18 25 43 -12

Nuge: 62 18 34 52 -2

Gagner:

79 13 36 49 -21

YAkupov (games so far):

65 19 16 35 -18

average ice time (ES) on their first seasons:

Hall: 15:26 Ebs: 14:27 Nuge: 14:33 Gagner:12:46 Yakupov: 12:34

Yakupov has actually done a bit more with less ice time and given the fact that he played half a season, which cut his production short. HE might have had more points than everyone else given how well he ended last season. It is easier to throw hate at YAk for speaking his mind than to fact check and see if there is merit into what he is saying. This post goes to all you Yak haters out there who don't even bother to check basic numbers before you throw your poison.

I said the ice time of his first 13 game average 17 minutes and over 17 games average 15 minutes.

Using the ice time you provided, if you add the ice time of his first 13 games, it totals 217:24, average 16:43. If you add all 17 games, it totals 262:59, average 15:28.

So where is it out of context?

Hall, Eberle and Nuge got more minutes in their rookie season because the Oilers were so bad those years that they were our best players even they were rookies. Even when they don't perform, there is no quality players to compete the ice time with them.

Now Eberle, Hall, RNH, Perron are eating the big minutes. If Yak doesn't perform, then the other kids will get more minutes.

I didn't Acrobello to Yak. I just point out that Acrobello has to earn his ice time. Other than Gagner so far, nobody is getting free ice time.

Do I think Gagner should get the free pass? No. I think he should be in the IR. I can't remember which game but I remember his jaw hurt after taking a big hit to his shoulder. I don't think he is 100% so I don't understand why not only they play him, but play him a lot of tough minutes.

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#95 DSF
November 12 2013, 09:41PM
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Crimson steel wrote:

So the oil screwed up on schemp! He could not crack the other 2 NHL teams he played for either! Jury is still out on omark and check paajarvi's stats so far this season! The oil have screwed the hooch on lots of deals but not these ones!

And yet they drafted all 3 of them...2 in the first round.

Fail.

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#96 pkam
November 12 2013, 09:48PM
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Randaman wrote:

Eberle ha played on the perimeter all year with out a hit thrown and has gotten his points. Does that make him better than Yak that throws checks and stands up for himself like in the Chicago game? Yes & no. Hall & Nugr are the stars of this group and Yak should be on their wing so he can show what he can do with first line talent and ice time. Third line minutes with Hemsky won't help as has been proven thus far this season. Hall, Ebs &Nuge were given that opportunity. Why not try it and see. Gags, Ebs & Perron is a quality mix for a second line. Gordon, Hemsky & Smyth for a third. Arcabello, Jonseeu & Jones/gazdic for a fourth. Problem solved. What is there to lose at this point. Remember the chemistry Hall & Yak developed late last season??

Eberle has 11 hits 15 pts and -3 in 19 games.

Yak has 14 hits 4 pts and -14 in 17 games.

So we should play Yak in the 1st line?

I thought we all agree that nobody should get a free pass, whether you are veteran or rookie, 1st overall or undrafted, everyone has to earn their ice time?

Yak has more ice time than Acrobello in their first 13 games. Acrobello has more point than Yak, better +/-, and more hits than Yak. What has Yak done to earn more ice time than Acrobello?

So far this season 2 players, Gagner and Yak, get free passes. The only difference is Yak's free pass was taken away after 13 games, and Gagner is still enjoying his free pass after 6 games. Will the same happen to Gagner, we will see after 13 games.

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#97 Al Low
November 12 2013, 11:28PM
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On a team without a pulse and with numerous players who are indifferent to winning and losing (Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Hemsky, Gagner, Justin Schultz to name a few), Oiler fans should applaud Yak for actually caring. MacT really needs to listen hard on offers to pretty much anybody not named Hall, Yak or Darnell Nurse.

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#98 TDSM31
November 13 2013, 01:48AM
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Batfink wrote:

Same Ference that's been a turn over machine last few games? Who rips a strip off him?

Regardless of whether or not we think Ference should have the C, the bottom line is he is the captain and its his job. So when captains have bad stretches of play they aren't allowed to handle situations like this?? "Ok Joe, you had the best game last night so I guess you should say something to Yakupov". WTF. Has nobody been a part of a hockey team on this forum?

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#99 The_CWD_GarbageMan
November 13 2013, 07:30AM
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Figure a guy like Larionov would know that he's playing attrocious D. The whole team is but take your lumps like a man and play better (ie. The Stamkos).

He's lucky we dont have gulags here.

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#100 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 13 2013, 07:36AM
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Loyal Oil wrote:

THIS ^. even the ON writers don't hold six rings accountable for this mess. Easier to bash a barely 20 year old kid from a different country that is just learning the language and is of a different religion. This is a sad day for the City of Edmonton.

to be fair the first media guy who starts going after management the way we, the fans, want them to will be blackballed faster than feaster getting in line at a buffet.

would you go to your place of work, walk into the bosses office and rip him for the job he is doing? knowing full well that your chances of keeping your job would be slim?

the fans need to start backing up the tough talk with their wallets before anything changes. going after media for not asking tough questions, while valid, solves nothing.

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