YAKUPOV WANTS MORE ICETIME

Jason Gregor
November 12 2013 01:56PM

 

Nail Yakupov wants more icetime. He wants to help his teammates win. He also feels his head coach doesn't trust him. Yakupov spoke with the media after practice today, and it was clear he was frustrated. As he should be. Losing stinks, and I'd hope every Oiler is frustrated.

Yakupov is usually very quiet and reserved with the media, but today he spoke with conviction and passion.

He was asked about his agent's, Igor Larionov, comments about a possible trade.

"I know where he is coming from, we have to do something. I don't see any trust towards me now. I'm playing lower and lower minutes, and I just want to help my team win every game. I haven't had much chance to to that, and it pretty hard to watch the game from the bench when my teammates are fighting for puck and points, because I know I can do the same thing.

"I don't want to say anything bad, but I just want to say that I want to be here. I love the city. I'd love to play with these players. We have a great staff and the atmosphere in games is great. I want to be part of the Oilers," said Yakupov.

When asked how he felt he's played defensively he responded with this:

"I've played good. I've always played like that. I watch everyone play the same. I don't think that question is for me, it is for the coach. I play good," Yakupov said.

When asked if he asked his agent to go public he responded with a smile, "I don't know, that is a tough question. I can't say anything now. Maybe we will see if something changes in a couple of days."

TRADE

He was asked directly if he has asked for a trade.

"I wasn't asking for a trade. I don't want to say anything bad, but I heard something (trade rumour) in the summer, something at the start of the season and then two weeks ago, but we'll see...who knows. I just want to play. I don't want to play nine or five minutes. I think I can play more and I think I can help my teammates to get points. We need points.

"I'm 20 years old and I think this is a  very important year for me learning to play hockey. Sometimes players who are sitting a lot when they are 19 or 20 years old they stop playing hockey. I just want to play. We will see if that ( lack of icetime) is going to be more and more, and if not we will have to figure out something," said Yakupov.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN? 

Yakupov is clearly frustrated. He wants to play more, and you can't blame him for that. Was this the best way to go about it? Probably not, but he isn't the first professional player to go public with his frustrations about a lack of playing time.

When Eakins spoke after Yakupov he wasn't upset at all. He said he understood Yakupov's frustration, but he said he has seen Yakupov working hard to improve his game. He also said that he won't change how he coaches because Yakupov went public with his frustrations.

The most interesting thing to me was when Yakupov said he heard trade rumours in the summer. I can't recall any rumours then, but maybe the Oilers were shopping him. 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Igor Larionov meets with Craig MacTavish later this week. 

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#201 bwar
November 12 2013, 03:31PM
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How long until all of the articles are about Bryz? Who gives a crap about the other players, Bryz should be holding a press conference daily. I need to know the things that are in his brain.

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#202 woodenshoes
November 12 2013, 04:35PM
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@Crimson Steel

What ever happened to taking what you get and making the most of it. Play so damn well that the coach has no choice but have you on ice.

You mean like Arcobello?? I think we all know how that's turned out... Or the reverse with Gagner...

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#203 Johnnydapunk
November 12 2013, 04:52PM
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Mikey wrote:

Hemsky might make the team. Same goes for belov, but probably not. Hell even Bryz.... haha just kidding.

Maybe this was the oilers plan all along. The ole rope a dope. And after the Olympic break they will all be rested up and ready to make the playoffs.

Considering Belov was the KHL defenceman of the year last season and this year whilst the team has been horrible, he has been getting near 20 mins ice time a game and has played a relatively steady game, I wouldn't be shocked if he did make the Russian Olympic team.

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#204 Mikey
November 12 2013, 05:00PM
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@nrXic

What you speak makes some sense to me. I like Larsen, but I too have seen him cough up the puck at the blue line a lot. I think it was in TB that he did it 2 or 3 times on one PP.

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#205 DigDeepNBleedBlue
November 12 2013, 05:02PM
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Funny how kids cry when you take away their toys....

Coach gotta be more fair, however. Gagner needed to start on the fourth line as a center or on the third as a winger. There IS more rope for some of these guys. I paraphrase Coach, "I don't want Sam to lose his spot just because of an injury." That's BS.

Also, player number 14 has made some horrendous defensive plays. Horrendous. Not to mention some butter soft plays in his own end. When he's on fire offensively it hides his defensive deficiencies and effort. Or lack thereof. There needs to be more accountability there, Coach.

The defensive system is bad. Understatement. But, this D-core makes it look so much worse. Was Smid the answer? No. Nor is Fedun for that matter. Albeit a great story for the young man. The need is for some talented rough bastards back there who can outlet and play positionally.

This is a situation where you need your captain to step up and, well, lead. Not turn the pucking puck over...

Gotta keep working at it. You know, peaks and valleys and all that sh*t.

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#206 BIGDAWG
November 12 2013, 05:09PM
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I think we are seeing why PLAYERS don't want to come to this city.. Seems pretty clear to me.. Total Gong Show.... It friggin hurts to be a oilers fan.. Not sure how long this kind of crap can go on.. How long will season ticket holders pay thee crazy prices while watching what is being put out there.. I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel.. in fact, it feels like a dark circular tunnel heading to nowhere land..

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#207 Dog Train
November 12 2013, 06:32PM
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There are a whole bunch of players on this team I would bench right now because of indifference defensively. The only difference being that some of them are at least scoring. You can't bench everybody.

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#208 **
November 12 2013, 06:38PM
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Gags definitely deserves to be benched/moved down/sat for his play since his return. If he's still injured he should stay on the sidelines. His play has been abysmal. Proof that there is a bit of a double standard imo.

Agreed

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#209 spliff
November 12 2013, 06:58PM
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Harlie wrote:

He heard 3 rumours so it sounds like Larionov is plugged in. Sounding to me like its Philly or NYR base on the timing he stated. I hope MacT has some rabbits hidden cuz this is making him look bad and he better find a way to turn this around.

What a freaking sideshow our once proud team has become. Embarrassing.

The Oilers during the KLowe years have consistently had ridiculous drama and BS.

There was the Lowe - Burke fiasco, the Heatley fiasco, the Souray fiasco, the Ryan Smyth trade over 100 000 fiasco, the Comrie fiasco, the Hossa fiasco, and of course, the Pronger fiasco.

Now, we have the Yakupov fiasco. This organization is a joke and the loyal fans for this once respected team, deserve far better.

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#210 Batfink
November 12 2013, 07:12PM
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Accountability? Try starting at the top. Why should anybody be held accountable after the crap the management has put them through? Smid dealt for magic beans, a coach who never takes responsibility for the team's poor play and is a snake oil salesman, other players clearly not doing their bit. Until they have unimpeachable integrity in senior positions on and off the ice leading by example, then we are going nowhere. This team NEEDS leadership, not purile dishing out of ice time to favourites, nor the sand bagging of the types of player with the character we need (Smid).

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#211 Cold Hard Truth
November 12 2013, 07:23PM
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Frankly, I hope for his sake Yakupov leaves this circus. Watch him go to a reputable franchise and light it up.

Then I hope it prompts an exodus of our talent who want to play elsewhere. Maybe that`ll break the resolve of Katz.

Once a competent management structure comes in, it will take years for them to undo the mess these losers have made.

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#212 DSF
November 12 2013, 07:27PM
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Harlie wrote:

C'mon, anyone with a set of eyes and a functioning brain stem can see that Yakupov without the puck is nothing but a cherry picker.

And no one likes a cherry picker.

Especially, on the blue collar journeyman hardworking Eakins and Craig 4thLine grinder and hustler MacTavish's watch!

This is all nothing but a clash of minds. And the stupid thing is the waste of talent and the reduction of value in an asset through this stupidity.

Just who is acting entitled here? *

* Thinks of Souray saw off.

Thing is...Souray has thrived and Lowe is just as bad as he ever was.

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#213 Pouzar99
November 12 2013, 07:29PM
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Calm down folks. Everybody involved has to take a deep breath on this ones. The kid is frustrated and it might be best for everyone that he blew off some steam. Yes, his defensive play has been unacceptable, but he has a lot of company, especially Justin Schultz, as DSF correctly points out.

If Yak has to earn his ice time What about Gagner, Hall, Hemsky and Justin Schultz? Hall's offensive contribution helps obviously, but he is still a major offender defensively. Nuge and Arcobello bust their butts in both ends, why can't the other top six players. Eberle and Perron are okay, but could also play better on the defensive end.

Last season they worked hard with Yak and he got to be a far more complete player as the year went along. Where has all that gone?

I think it is pretty obvious by this point that Eakins isn't exactly a strategic genius. My cat could pick better line combinations and his defensive system design has been a series of busts. Putting Gagner at center for his first game back and matching him up against the red hot Kessel line was a very predictable shocker, just to name one example.

Remember one more thing about Yak. He is a Russian and they have a hockey league. If things become intolerable here he has an easy option. He is going to have to dig down and play a far more complete game, but if he can sit and watch or be shifted down to the 4th line so can others. How about a concession which is just common sense anyway. Put Yak on the first PP unit. He's got the best shot on the team by a mile and every one else on the unit is a pass first guy. Let that cannon rip. And give him some extra shifts on the top three lines if you play on the 4th. its not like we have anything to lose. Except a proud, gifted but flawed young player who will be a star somewhere eventually.

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#214 Harlie
November 12 2013, 07:30PM
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DSF wrote:

Thing is...Souray has thrived and Lowe is just as bad as he ever was.

Funny how that works. And what's the common denominator everybody?

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#215 Newj
November 12 2013, 07:45PM
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Pouzar99 wrote:

Calm down folks. Everybody involved has to take a deep breath on this ones. The kid is frustrated and it might be best for everyone that he blew off some steam. Yes, his defensive play has been unacceptable, but he has a lot of company, especially Justin Schultz, as DSF correctly points out.

If Yak has to earn his ice time What about Gagner, Hall, Hemsky and Justin Schultz? Hall's offensive contribution helps obviously, but he is still a major offender defensively. Nuge and Arcobello bust their butts in both ends, why can't the other top six players. Eberle and Perron are okay, but could also play better on the defensive end.

Last season they worked hard with Yak and he got to be a far more complete player as the year went along. Where has all that gone?

I think it is pretty obvious by this point that Eakins isn't exactly a strategic genius. My cat could pick better line combinations and his defensive system design has been a series of busts. Putting Gagner at center for his first game back and matching him up against the red hot Kessel line was a very predictable shocker, just to name one example.

Remember one more thing about Yak. He is a Russian and they have a hockey league. If things become intolerable here he has an easy option. He is going to have to dig down and play a far more complete game, but if he can sit and watch or be shifted down to the 4th line so can others. How about a concession which is just common sense anyway. Put Yak on the first PP unit. He's got the best shot on the team by a mile and every one else on the unit is a pass first guy. Let that cannon rip. And give him some extra shifts on the top three lines if you play on the 4th. its not like we have anything to lose. Except a proud, gifted but flawed young player who will be a star somewhere eventually.

Well stated on all points.

A post that involves some rationale thought.

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#216 Dave
November 12 2013, 07:54PM
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@Pouzar99 : " think it is pretty obvious by this point that Eakins isn't exactly a strategic genius. My cat could pick better line combinations and his defensive system design has been a series of busts. Putting Gagner at center for his first game back and matching him up against the red hot Kessel line was a very predictable shocker, just to name one example."

Yes ! We should have a permanent running thread on dubious coaching decisions.

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#217 D-Unit
November 12 2013, 07:56PM
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I understand Yaks frustration, but think his agent should have taken a different path. It's the agents job to listen to his client and advise him. Don't think Igor should have went to the media, even if Yak said it was okay. Yak is young and probably could have used some advice to keep it in house.

Have to give Yak credit for talking to the media though. He was clear and spoke well in my opinion. If he didn't talk, how many people would have been all over him for not wanting to talk.

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#218 oilbaron
November 12 2013, 08:12PM
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I haven't read any comments so I apologize if this has already been said. I for one would give him what he wants and play the kid 25 minutes tomorrow night. We will see how he responds than. Throw him out in every zone start available. If we win great and if we lose, it don't really matter anyway cause we suck anyhow.

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#219 Batfink
November 12 2013, 08:30PM
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TDSM31 wrote:

I have to think Ference will rip a strip off this kid.

Same Ference that's been a turn over machine last few games? Who rips a strip off him?

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#220 Nimrod
November 12 2013, 10:27PM
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Embarrassing for the media covering Oilers that they gleefully grill a kid for nine minutes but haven't got the guts to ask a single hard question to the most incompetent management group in hockey for the last half dozen years.

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#221 Harry
November 12 2013, 11:14PM
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Harlie wrote:

My Dream Team..

POHO - Scotty Bowman

GM - Dale Tallon

Coach - Mike Babcock

Asst Coach's - Renney, Hitchcock, Quenneville

Trainers - Anybody without the last name Moreau

Dale friggin Talon!!!! Step away from the crack pipe

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#222 mlcselli
November 12 2013, 11:19PM
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Tomorrow after the meeting, I hope Katz throws a grenade in the office and blows this pitiful excuse of a management team apart. It's the office personnel that needs the GD rebuild.

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#223 Harry
November 12 2013, 11:26PM
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Nimrod wrote:

Embarrassing for the media covering Oilers that they gleefully grill a kid for nine minutes but haven't got the guts to ask a single hard question to the most incompetent management group in hockey for the last half dozen years.

Very very well said!

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#224 Walter Sobchak
November 12 2013, 11:28PM
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Why the hell hadn't Rishaug or any other MSM ask Eakins a simple question.

If your sitting Yakupov and decreasing his ice time due to defensive laps's why aren't you doing that to Schultz, Hall, Eberle and the player who is the worst Gagner?

Seriously, the MSM are told the same story but never question the coach or management.

If the coach is the only one doing the talking then damn right Yakupov should stand up and take a bloody stand!

MSM don't seem to care that Eakins regurgitates the same sound bite on Yakupov.

There just looking to get in, get out, write some junk about 5x5 or how this is part of the normal process now.

Maybe Rishaug should ask Eakins, why wasn't Gagner benched when he left not one but two guys alone in the slot that were directly resulted in goals?

How under one coach Yakupov do well but under you ( Eakins) he seems to have lost all confidence?

The biases extend to MSM as well. Unless MSM start asking the Oilers direct questions then your just another messenger for the Oilers, might as well play for them.

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#225 patrick miranda
November 12 2013, 11:47PM
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If I have to watch that smug Eakins one more time, talk about how righteous he is, i'm going to fart in a baloon and release it at one of those media scrums to punish all you media pundits who don't have the BALLS to ask direct questions. Are you so afraid of losing your media pass that you won't ask a poingnant question? Spector asked one of Lowe at the MacT presser and got instant credibility, high time another one of you asked this moron if he is ever going to let his ego take a break and learn to coach like a professional.

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#226 Smokey
November 12 2013, 11:50PM
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Nimrod wrote:

Embarrassing for the media covering Oilers that they gleefully grill a kid for nine minutes but haven't got the guts to ask a single hard question to the most incompetent management group in hockey for the last half dozen years.

You nailed it.

The real issue is why is the entire team stagnating and lacking confidence. Who is responsible for this and how are they going to fix it.

Heard Richaug rail on Nail on the Jason Gregor show today. Where was the venom towards the actual problem. Every damn fan knows the problem, and these lazy reporters are beaking off about a immature kid who's confused as to why he is constantly benched when the rest of the kids are doing the same thing. The kid is 20, from a different country and culture. You gotta take everything he says with a grain of salt. Larionov caused this mess when he did not deal with it professionally and internally. Some Oiler's braintrust then had a huge brainfart and allowed Nail to be made available to the media.Talk about complete set up and disaster. These cold hearted losers through him under the bus. You got a kid who with language barrier who historically has shown a propensity to say stuff that comes out wrong. What do you expect. What a complete lack of judgement by both MacT. Then certain media types jump on him because they rather rail on a kid then do some real reporting for fear of being ignored by the old boys gang. I'd like to see some real reporting. People want real questions to asked. I wanna see MacT pull a Tortorella or ol' Sixrings make some disparaging remarks to the 2nd tier fans again.

Lastly, Eakins should shut his piehole about accountability. He made a another comment about this imaginary accountability concept again today. If there was accountability Hall and Eberle, Schultz, and Gagner and Hemsky would ride some pine. Why the Russian kid? Why does he ride pine after he scores a goal or when make the same mistakes other guys make. No one discounts his minus 14. Eakins if you read this, don't preach accountability, do it. Maybe you'll get the respect of your team that you lost.

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#227 Smokey
November 12 2013, 11:54PM
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Sammer003 wrote:

KLowe has had more time than his Stanley Cup rings to turn it around. It's top down, and KLowe managed to bring the team Lower and Lower.

Klowe can't hear you. He's got two Stanley Cup rings stuck in his ears.

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#228 mlcselli
November 13 2013, 12:32AM
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Smokey wrote:

Klowe can't hear you. He's got two Stanley Cup rings stuck in his ears.

I know where I'd like to stick the other four. #firelowe

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#229 Loyal Oil
November 13 2013, 12:54AM
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Nimrod wrote:

Embarrassing for the media covering Oilers that they gleefully grill a kid for nine minutes but haven't got the guts to ask a single hard question to the most incompetent management group in hockey for the last half dozen years.

THIS ^. even the ON writers don't hold six rings accountable for this mess. Easier to bash a barely 20 year old kid from a different country that is just learning the language and is of a different religion. This is a sad day for the City of Edmonton.

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#230 Delphil
November 13 2013, 02:27AM
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mlcselli wrote:

I know where I'd like to stick the other four. #firelowe

They are already there

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#231 madjam
November 13 2013, 05:58AM
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Instead of developing a competitive team we have gone from boys on the bus , to a continuing spiral of throwing the boys under the bus . Somehow that justifies coaching and management accountability and jobs ? Any one else gone public has been weeded out and same will more than likely happen sooner over later .

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#232 xxxxxx
November 13 2013, 06:58AM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Bad idea here.

Play him more and coach risks losing cred.

If you don't play him more.... Well...

you mean coach loses even MORE credibility.....thats something this whole organization lacks right now....

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#233 sizzay
November 13 2013, 08:17AM
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Interesting stat on NHL.com

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20142EDMSASALL&sort=giveaways&viewName=rtssPlayerStats

Look at where Yak is on giveaways. Granted one or two may have been bad ones.

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#234 Serious Gord
November 13 2013, 08:21AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

to be fair the first media guy who starts going after management the way we, the fans, want them to will be blackballed faster than feaster getting in line at a buffet.

would you go to your place of work, walk into the bosses office and rip him for the job he is doing? knowing full well that your chances of keeping your job would be slim?

the fans need to start backing up the tough talk with their wallets before anything changes. going after media for not asking tough questions, while valid, solves nothing.

I disagree completely.

The media - save for a select few - are NOT employees of Daryl Katz. That they pussyfoot around the issues in order to curry favor/get access is a black mark against them.

No doubt being a sports journo in a small market like EDM and calling it how one sees it can be risky - certainly Katz and co have the ability to put pressure on you and your employer. But that is no excuse to ditch ones ethics and mute ones critiques.

Some journos have criticized ownership - especially of late: rishaug and brownlee to name two.

An interesting thing happens when you are a journo who calls it as one sees it:

You get read/listened too.

And that is the path to success in that industry.

In time perhaps we will look back on this and see it as a sort of maturation of the Edmonton sports media - the period in which they became independent and no longer a bunch of backwater lackeys.

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#235 **
November 13 2013, 08:26AM
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pkam wrote:

You're right, I am talking about his ice this season. Yak didn't complain his ice time last season. Did he?

The fact is his ice time has up this season until the last 4 games. He has about 17 minutes per game for 13 games and he put up 1 pt. Even Eakins cut his ice time in the last 4 games, his average ice time with Eakins is still over 15 minutes per game.

So the coach gave you 13 games at 17 minutes per game and you put up 1 pt, what is the coach going to say when the other players question why they put up more points and better +/- per 60 minutes were not given more ice time?

you just don't get it. I give up.

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#236 Serious Gord
November 13 2013, 08:27AM
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Truth wrote:

This sours me on Yak. You're 20 years old, the worst plus minus in the league, and are clearly no better than two other players that play your position at this time. Be better than at least one of them in all areas of the ice and your ice time will go up. Whining to the media about it does not make you a better player. If I was Ference I would sit down with him and tell him how life works, maybe tell him it is a team decision that he sits the next game or two until he realizes it is a team sport and the coach decides how to utilize each player to give the team the best chance to win.

On the other side of it, Eakins is clearly a hard ass and his style of coaching is not what Yakupov is used to. In the preseason I remember Eakins commenting on how he has to get to know each individual to get an idea on what makes each player tick. Obviously his approach with Yak is not working. Yak's antics cannot do anything but worsen his relationship with his coach. I see Yak or Eakins gone prior to the start of next season, and I bet MacT doesn't want to fire 2 coaches in one calender year.

Someone should do a dissection of the promises made by Eakins in that early presser comparing what he said with the results on the ice. I'm pretty sure it would be a damning indictment of him as a coach.

And no doubt at the time of that presser it was Music to the ears of ON.

And MacT.

Perhaps he was sold on Eakins presentation - having never watched a single game of Eakins work in the AHL.

There is a difference between Bold and rash.

It seems to me that MacT has conflated the two.

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#237 Loyal Oil
November 13 2013, 08:29AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

to be fair the first media guy who starts going after management the way we, the fans, want them to will be blackballed faster than feaster getting in line at a buffet.

would you go to your place of work, walk into the bosses office and rip him for the job he is doing? knowing full well that your chances of keeping your job would be slim?

the fans need to start backing up the tough talk with their wallets before anything changes. going after media for not asking tough questions, while valid, solves nothing.

Are you actually suggesting that Lowe gives Stauffer special buffet privileges? Wow, I'm shocked! I agree with your point but it make me sick that the media guys will rip apart this barely 20 year old kid who has fully embraced this city but won't touch the 'adults' at the top who are responsible for this mess. It would be awesome I there was a courageous media voice that stepped out from the crowd.

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#238 Taylor Gang
November 13 2013, 08:30AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

I disagree completely.

The media - save for a select few - are NOT employees of Daryl Katz. That they pussyfoot around the issues in order to curry favor/get access is a black mark against them.

No doubt being a sports journo in a small market like EDM and calling it how one sees it can be risky - certainly Katz and co have the ability to put pressure on you and your employer. But that is no excuse to ditch ones ethics and mute ones critiques.

Some journos have criticized ownership - especially of late: rishaug and brownlee to name two.

An interesting thing happens when you are a journo who calls it as one sees it:

You get read/listened too.

And that is the path to success in that industry.

In time perhaps we will look back on this and see it as a sort of maturation of the Edmonton sports media - the period in which they became independent and no longer a bunch of backwater lackeys.

Rishaug is probably the only media man with the backing that wouldn't get him in hot water with ownership. It's nice to hear him calling out the ill advised decisions of Katz and Co.

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#239 Serious Gord
November 13 2013, 08:32AM
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Rishaug is probably the only media man with the backing that wouldn't get him in hot water with ownership. It's nice to hear him calling out the ill advised decisions of Katz and Co.

I would put Spector in the same group although I'm not sure if he's still part of the Edmonton sports media group.

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#240 Smokey
November 13 2013, 08:45AM
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to be fair the first media guy who starts going after management the way we, the fans, want them to will be blackballed faster than feaster getting in line at a buffet.

would you go to your place of work, walk into the bosses office and rip him for the job he is doing? knowing full well that your chances of keeping your job would be slim?

the fans need to start backing up the tough talk with their wallets before anything changes. going after media for not asking tough questions, while valid, solves nothing.

I don't think we will see fans not support the team. Team just has to turn it around for 3 games and people will go watch. I watched the game where the Oilers stopped their 16 game loosing streak in 2010 against Carolina. There was a full house there for that night and reminded me fans here are loyal and world class. There are only probably 6-8 teams in the NHL that could withstand continually loosing. I don't think fans should stop going.

I guess for me that's why I wish our media would go after Lowe and MacT. When Spector went after ol' Sixrings this spring it was awesome that a guy with clout finally stepped over the line and asked questions no one else would. These media guys read these blogs, know the general mood of the fans, but do they ever ask the Oilers coaches or GM's the tough questions people want to hear. Hell, I would be going after Eakins for taking the donuts outta the media scrum, I'd make him pay.

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#241 camdog
November 13 2013, 08:51AM
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Another intersting stat is that Ryan Smyth has 3 even strength points and Yaks 2 to start the season, and Smyth has even less ice time.

The reality is this team has lost games trying to give him minutes. He can't play with Gags because Gags is too bad defensively, he can't play with RNH because he can't handle playing agiaint the other teams top d-man.

This leaves the third line and third line minutes and if he can't be happy with that there really isn't a spot in the NHL for him, because on any team in the NHL right now he's a 3rd liner, playing 3rd line minutes. He will improve dramatically playing against the other teams 3rd pairing d-man,second tier forwards and with spot powerplay action. Problems is I don't think he is smart enough to realize this.

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#242 jr_christ
November 13 2013, 08:55AM
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Bob Stauffer sent a tweet somewhere around games 5-7 saying something to the effect of that if we are at the bottom after game 20 then there is reason for fans to legitimately get upset with the Oilers.

Now he is tweeting garbage like "the team is getting better. Let's compare to some stats from last year like shot differential and face off percentage". How many points do we get for shot differential and face off percentage? Yes these are baby steps in the right direction... but is the the kind of progress you were expecting 4 years into the rebuild??

Are you serious right now? We've waited 8 damn years for a return to the post season and you have the audacity to insult us with BS stats like that?

I don't want to lose any of our key players like Hall, Eberle, RNH, Schultz or Yakupov but this team isn't good. We are getting schooled game in and game out and it's the 10 minutes of skilled hockey we play that even keeps us remotely in any of the games we play.

4 (or 5) wins in the first 20 games played should be a wake up call. 25% of the season will be played and we are on pace for 16-20 wins this season.

Let's just sit back and keep watching this derained train continue it's path of destruction. After all, according to Stauffer we are a better team this year.

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#243 pkam
November 13 2013, 08:57AM
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Hall, Eberle, etc put up points, does Yak? If you are a liability in defense and not an asset in offense, should the coach bench those who at least contribute in offense to give you the ice time you want?

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#244 madjam
November 13 2013, 08:58AM
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PROBLEM FOUND ? Onus on MacT. to correct it before things get further out of hand .

MANAGING THE CAP - Taken from coppernblue article by gew_rocks . Defence - first pairing usually has 10% minimum with average being $15% , max.17% - we are at $8% only . That's a huge problem with a bad defence to begin with .Ridding of Smid very questionable . Goalie is 6% minimum, Ave.8% , and max.11% . We are once again way under budget at 5% . Forwards we are okay except for being at max 15% third line .

As one can see , when you scrimpout on goalie and defence you put an inordinant amount of pressure on forwards to over compensate their offensive games to accommodate the two worst areas of our hockey club -goalie and defence . Results show just that do they not ? Ridding of Hemsky and Smtyh might help alleviate that problem before allowing our youth to flee . Seems like MacT. the bulk of the problems here believe it or not .

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#245 pkam
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While some fans here are bashing the coach and defending Yak, let's look at what happen to this year 1st overall Nathan Mackinnon.

Mackinnon also played 17 games averages about 15 minutes (14:55 from NHL.com) per game mostly on the 3rd line. He has 11 pts and +6. 3 of those 17 games he got less than 11 minutes. Other than the ppg and +/-, all other stats are very similar.

He ties at 5th in scoring but 10th in ice time amongst all forwards. Yak is 9th in scoring and 9th in ice time amongst all Oilers forwards.

Who do you think deserve more ice time? Did we hear Mackinnon complain about lack of ice time?

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#246 DSF
November 13 2013, 09:14AM
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Staples looks at who is making mistakes while playing defense:

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/13/who-is-failing-on-defence-for-the-oilers-yakupov-not-the-only-one/

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#247 D-Unit
November 13 2013, 09:28AM
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Cause in the system the Oilers never had enough Soft D-men? College does not equal NHL. AHL Does not equal NHL. Oilers scouting is pretty terrible, but when you pick #1 3 years in a row, you don't really need to work on it. Agree the Oil need veteran leadership. As well, Advertisements are very often misleading...as I believe is the case here.

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#248 2004Z06
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Fair point, but that is not what Eakins was preaching at the beginning of the year when he made his comment.

Accountability for effort, and playing on both sides of the puck.

I will give Hall and RNH credit for at least getting on their horse to get back to help defend.

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#249 pkam
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PROBLEM FOUND ? Onus on MacT. to correct it before things get further out of hand .

MANAGING THE CAP - Taken from coppernblue article by gew_rocks . Defence - first pairing usually has 10% minimum with average being $15% , max.17% - we are at $8% only . That's a huge problem with a bad defence to begin with .Ridding of Smid very questionable . Goalie is 6% minimum, Ave.8% , and max.11% . We are once again way under budget at 5% . Forwards we are okay except for being at max 15% third line .

As one can see , when you scrimpout on goalie and defence you put an inordinant amount of pressure on forwards to over compensate their offensive games to accommodate the two worst areas of our hockey club -goalie and defence . Results show just that do they not ? Ridding of Hemsky and Smtyh might help alleviate that problem before allowing our youth to flee . Seems like MacT. the bulk of the problems here believe it or not .

If salary is the problem, there is a simple solution. Petry and Schultz contracts are up this year. Just sign them to 7M and problem solved.

The Oilers management had been trying to land a top pairing D for a couple of years. Rumors were Tambellini approached the agent of Weber and Suter and neither of them were interested to come to Edmonton. And we all know Edmonton was on the list that JaBo will not go to.

Perhaps you can force another GM and top pairing to come to Edmonton. I am sure MacT will pay fair market salary or even overpay to sign one.

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#250 pkam
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Sure he should bench Yak. He'll just want out of Edmonton. That's the kind of win-win you are looking for though?

Does he have a sense of entitlement? Of course he does... he was picked 1st overall. At least he doesn't through temper tantrums like Hall does on the ice. That's just pathetic.

So because he is 1st overall, he is entitled to more ice time and doesn't have to earn it?

Because he may wants out of town, then we have to bend backwards to please him and give him anything he wants?

Is this the message you want to send to the rest of the team? Is this the accountability you ask from the management and coaching staff?

If I remember correctly, Stamkos was benched in 2009. What a stupid move by Tampa, they were driving the best sniper out of town.

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