GDB 20.0: HORCOFF RETURNS

Jason Gregor
November 13 2013 12:43PM

For the past five seasons, when things went wrong for the Oilers you could always fall back to one thing, "Blame Horcoff." It didn't matter what was ailing the Oilers it seemed it was always Horcoff's fault, mainly due to his $5.5 million cap it. If the Oilers top line wasn't scoring, and Horcoff wasn't on it, it was still his fault.

On my radio show it became somewhat of a cult mantra. People would end their texts or emails with Blame Horcoff. Mainly it was a parody of South Park's "Blame Canada," but the odd person believed it to be true.

If Horcoff was still here, he likely would have been blamed for not stopping Nail Yakupov from going public with his frustrations. It was a simpler time for some Oilers fans, because no matter what went wrong you could always blame one guy.

Horcoff is gone, but surprisingly (not at all) the struggles of the Oilers remain.

Horcoff played 796 games as an Oiler, 5th most all-time behind Kevin Lowe (1,037), Ryan Smyth (911), Mark Messier (851) and Glenn Anderson (845).  He is 9th all-time in goals and points, and despite what some feel he was a solid Edmonton Oiler for 12 seasons.

Horcoff is playing just over 14 minutes a game for the Stars, mainly on the third line, switching between wing and centre, and recently he was put on the 2nd unit PP for a net-front presence. Horcoff's game was never flashy, but he earned his icetime over the years. He started out as a 4th line centre, and worked his way up to the top line, and he was the #1 centre and leading point getter amongst forwards when the Oilers went to game seven of the 2006 Stanley Cup Finals.

He was unfairly vilified because his owner and general manager overpaid him. It was never his fault the Daryl Katz and Kevin Lowe signed him to a $33 million contract, but many people expected him to be an elite player after that deal. It never happened, because Horcoff was never an elite scorer. He was a tireless worker, who could produce offensively, but he wasn't going to be a consistent 75-point player.

I never felt bad for Horcoff, and neither did he. He knew the expectations would be raised when he signed that deal, and at the time he signed his six-year contract he felt he could produce. We all believe we are worth what we make. If your boss came into your office today and offered to triple your salary, you'd gladly accept it, and feel that you are worth it.

The Oilers could use a 27-year-old Shawn Horcoff right now. A guy who could produce offensively, 73 points, but knew how to play defence, and actually loved the challenge of going against  the likes of Joe Thornton, Pavel Datsyuk or Ryan Getzlaf. Horcoff wasn't the biggest guy, but his work ethic and smarts allowed him to battle and often shut down the opposition's star players.

The final few seasons of Horcoff's career in Edmonton weren't very good. The team was a consistent bottom-feeder and he missed almost half of two seasons. This summer was the right time for him to leave, but I always felt he was under appreciated as a player due to his final contract with the Oilers.

QUICK COMPARISON....

Yesterday, Nail Yakupov went public with his frustrations about a lack of icetime. Every player wants to play more, so he isn't alone with his thinking, but rarely do players go public about it, especially after only 65 NHL games. Yakupov choose that route and some feel it will cause a rift in the room or with management. Only time will tell if that occurs, but many have compared Yakupov to Steven Stamkos so I did a quick comparison of their first 65 NHL games.

No comparison is completely fair or accurate because the players had different coaches, teammates and other factors. Most notably, Yakupov's first 65 games were interrupted by a six-month summer break. It is difficult to start a season how you ended the previous one, but the comparison does give us some insight into how these two snipers were used.

FIRST 65 GAMES

Stamkos                                                        Yakupov
14-19-33 points                                           19-16-35 points
13:47 TOI/game                                           14:47 TOI/game
2:22 PP TOI/game                                       2:25 PP TOI/game

Yakupov was upset over his icetime in his previous four games. In Yakupov's first 65 games he had 11:45 or less of TOI seven times. In Stamkos' first 65 games he had 22 games with 11:45 or less of TOI.

Stamkos was a healthy scratch three times, while Yakupov has been a healthy scratch twice. Yakupov is -18 in his career while Stamkos was -14 in his first 65 games.

Barry Melrose was fired after only 16 games into Stamkos' rookie season, and his replacement Rick Tocchet didn't automatically start playing Stamkos more. Stamkos earned his icetime, and he gained a lot of momentum in the 2nd half of his season.

Ironically enough, in the final 14 games of his rookie season (game 66 to 79) Stamkos scored 9 goals and 13 points. He continued that pace into the next season and he has been the most prolific goal scorer since the beginning of the 2009 season.

I don't see Yakupov emulating Stamkos' success, mainly because it would be extremely difficult, but also because Stamkos skates better than Yakupov. Both are former #1 overall picks, but their games are very different.

I said yesterday I didn't have a major issue with Yakupov saying what he said. He is frustrated, and he willingly made his comments. They weren't done in the heat of the moment after a bad loss. He had 40 hours to think about his plan, and he elected to go through with it.

His agent, Igor Larionov, had two contract disputes in his career, so I can see why he didn't advise his client to stay quiet. Larionov has never been afraid to stand up to management, although he wasn't 20 years old and only 65 games into his NHL career when he made his stance.

I don't think Yakupov's comments will change much. Dallas Eakins isn't going to be pressured into playing him more, considering Yakupov is averaging 15:28/game this season, and I doubt Yakupov is suddenly going to become a great defensive player. For the past year I've stated the Oilers were going to have to deal one of their four kids, and Yakupov's comments might make that decision a little bit easier, but that is about the only impact I feel his comments will make.

When you compare his icetime to young players around the NHL in their first 65 games, he hasn't been treated unfairly. I'm glad he wants to play more. You wouldn't want a guy who was satisfied with his icetime, but his play will earn him more icetime, not venting publicly.

One other quick comparison between Yakupov and the other young Oiler draft picks.

Here is their point totals in their first 65 NHL games.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins:  22-34-56 
Taylor Hall: 22-20-42
Jordan Eberle: 18-23-41
Ales Hemsky: 8-29-37
Nail Yakupov: 19-16-35
Sam Gagner: 7-28-35

Hall (18), RNH (17), Eberle (17), Gagner (15) had more icetime in their first 65 games, while Hemsky played 12:20 if you look at TOI. Every situation is different of course, and in the NHL there is no such thing as "fair." But it is interesting to look at how each of them started their NHL career.

LINEUP

Perron-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
Smyth-Arcobello-Yakupov
Joensuu-Gordon-Jones

Ference-Petry
Belov-Larsen
N.Schultz-Potter

Dubnyk

The Oilers sent Taylor Fedun down to OKC and called up Potter. They want a bigger body and a heavy shot on the 2nd PP unit. Fedun had an unreal start to his NHL career, and he will be back, but he needs to get a touch faster. He made a great first impression. Potter might be bigger, but he rarely plays big. He'll be highly motivated to play well, at least he should be, because if he doesn't he likely won't get another one-way NHL contract.

SYSTEM TALK

There has been lots of talk about Eakins system and how it is costing the Oilers games. Eakins tweaked the system after seven games, because the players couldn't play it, however, the current system is not that difficult according to some veterans. 

"It is just about recognition, said Nick Schultz."You have to be looking around; too often we get to puck focused. You need to take a quick look at the puck, but you need to be aware of your position and your man. We have to work away from the puck and have recognition. 

"I think any system in the league, regardless of where you play, is pretty similar. You are either attacking or sitting back and it is just a matter of understanding your position, and where you have to be in all situations on the ice. Whether it is forechecking, coming through the neurtral zone or in the D-zone every player has to know where to go. You have to be aware of what your job is and where you are. You have to be able to rely on one another. I think we are starting to show spurts of that, but we need to be able to do it all the time," Nick Schultz said. 

Schultz played in Minnesota where they won because of their system. They didn't have as much skill as other teams, but they were dedicated and committed to their system. Once the Oilers can rely on one another in every area on the ice, they will win, but the players have to be willing to do it. The system is not the issue. The players need to execute it properly more often.

Captain Andrew Ference said this yesterday on my show about their defensive zone coverage.,

It is unfortunate when you look at the goals we are giving up they are a product of our mistakes more than the other team taking it too us all game and finally breaking through. We have been doing a much better job defensively in D zone coverage lately, clogging up the other teams chances and their time, but as you call them the five-star mistakes are costing us games. 

"Hockey is not complicated; no system is a big math equation. It is just concentration, consistency and it is almost 100% mental. It is just resetting yourself after a good shift, resetting yourself after a bad shift and just not carrying baggage from past games or past weeks or past shifts.

It is just focusing on what you are going to do on the next 30-40 second span. It is a tough thing. It is a very easy thing to talk about, but much harder to implement. It is easier the longer you play, because you learned how to do it. But it is hard to learn to do it consistently."  

The Oilers system isn't unique, but the players are still trying to learn to play it consistently. They have improved recently, but when they make a mistake it is usually a major error and results in a goal. They need to become more consistent in their decisions and actions, and when they do, they should have more success. But it won't be easy, it will require every player being willing to commit 100% of the time. 

TONIGHT

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers have one home win in six starts. The fans are restless, and the Oilers will finally give them something to cheer about with a 4-3 victory.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Horcoff scores. On a one-timer. Ex-Oilers always score vs. the Oilers. Edmonton-born Vern Fiddler will get an assist on the goal.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION:
Philip Larsen gets in on the "scoring against former team" and he scores a PP goal midway through the second frame. Larsen has five points in five games so far this season and he maintains his point-per-game pace. 

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#151 BingBong
November 13 2013, 09:21PM
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Snakebit tonight. Missed open nets, a few posts. Lehtonen looks great.

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#152 BingBong
November 13 2013, 09:33PM
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Dammit petry

Yeah I don't know who to blame for that one. I think the "weak rebound from a horrible angle" wins.

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#153 coolcanuck1
November 13 2013, 09:33PM
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Can't score 5 on 5, can't score on the power play, and yet we have many "skilled" forwards…. weak defence, no goalies, looks like a coaching & management problem to me!

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#154 James
November 13 2013, 09:56PM
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@Alsker

Ha, no doubt, no sharing there.

I wish I could start whenever. Sadly, I have set hours. Stupid "office" job!

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#155 Step Daddy J
November 13 2013, 10:51PM
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I think New Jersey or Florida will get Connar in 2015 .

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#156 coolcanuck1
November 13 2013, 10:54PM
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Oilers will, other teams you mention have better goalies & defence

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#157 2004Z06
November 14 2013, 08:45AM
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GK1980 wrote:

3 straight shutouts at home?!? That's not even believable. Unreal. This is now the worst Oilers team in franchise history.

Just saw the Kadri hit; that forearm looked nasty.

Can a team forfeit a season and if so, do they forfeit their draft picks? I also have tickets for tomorrow nights game against San Jose, gurantee lose night. Can I get my money back for these?

I would strongly suggest every ticket holder call the Oilers office and ask for refunds. After all, you paid to see an NHL team and this is clearly not one.

If you purchase a product that is defective, do you not get your money refunded?

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#158 tileguy
November 13 2013, 02:11PM
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DSF wrote:

Taylor vs. Tyler.

Giddyup.

Giddyup indeed. What's that German word, freudenshade? Tyler 3 goals an assist and a fight (Hall missing 3 teeth) and the circus just becomes bigger and brighter.

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#159 Rocket
November 13 2013, 08:07PM
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@Alsker

Lol totally. And I'll probably wear one to a game this year just to say I did.

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#160 TigerUnderGlass
November 13 2013, 08:20PM
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wiseguy wrote:

Can we please never, ever bring up MacT's MBA ever, ever again? It's embarassing to keep strutting these useless credentials out. He obtained an EMBA from Queens, not an MBA:

"The 16-month EMBA program is designed for working managers, and lets them take part in virtual classes and group work from their home cities"

In other words, it's a correspondence course for managers who can pay the $100,000 fee for credentials to attach to their name. MacT did it while unemployed and not in a management position. In other words, he should not have qualified for the program.

Since when is being a member of the target demographic a prerequisite qualification?

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#161 Alsker
November 13 2013, 08:28PM
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watching Dallas feed, quite decent game so far. Well if you forget Hemmers give away.

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#162 Alsker
November 13 2013, 08:40PM
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James wrote:

You'd be forgetting almost all the games then. We have 8 give aways to Dallas's 1. Ugh! Acro and Hemmer each with 2.

I blame my many trips to the beer fridge.

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#163 BingBong
November 13 2013, 08:49PM
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Man, Larson really does remind me of Coffey...

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#164 James
November 13 2013, 08:55PM
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Oh, I actually meant the trips to the beer fridge were a common theme. Ha! I'm on the way now!

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#165 YFC Prez
November 13 2013, 09:06PM
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Anyone watching a non tsn feed. Did they do any kind of a video for horcoff ?

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#166 Alsker
November 13 2013, 09:25PM
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go back as far as 30 years this team has always had to score 5-3 with pretty goals only. Drive it to the net and scrum the ugly one in. They don't count extra if they make SN highlight reel. And where the f^ck was Yak?

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#167 bwar
November 13 2013, 09:29PM
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go oilers go....

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#168 James
November 13 2013, 09:35PM
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They have forever sucks at too many things it seems.

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#169 Rocket
November 13 2013, 09:40PM
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Horcoff looked fired up on that powerplay. He was tenacious on the puck. I bet he was really looking forward to this game.

The Oilers could use a guy like that, although Gordon has been pretty good tonight too.

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#170 James
November 13 2013, 09:46PM
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*hangs head in shame* I know, I know.

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#171 Reg Dunlop
November 13 2013, 10:04PM
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Any chance the Eakins effect will turn any of the hobbits into Khadriesque warriors? Doubtful.

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#172 Alsker
November 13 2013, 10:20PM
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@James

Not complaining, doesn't help anyway. Just happy waking up on the right side of the dirt pile everyday.

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#173 James
November 13 2013, 10:24PM
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Also true. Props for finding the silver lining.

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#174 MessyEH!
November 13 2013, 03:52PM
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@wiseguy

Fair is fair.

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#175 No not Chris Cuthbert
November 13 2013, 05:48PM
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Johe wrote:

I was kind of being sarcastic. I know Oilers Nation will never be happy :)

On another note, it does make me happy that the game is on TSN. Love TSN coverage.

As long as Chris Cuthbert is not the play by play guy. His voice is like ... chalk squeaking on a blackboard etc etc. I would have to turn off the sound. He is that bad IMHO.

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#176 dave
November 13 2013, 06:39PM
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Retsinnab5 wrote:

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION:

Horcoff pots 2 goals then with 10 seconds left he gets a brakeaway he misses he net then Edmonton goes all 2007 and Hemsky scores with 2 seconds left to bring it to overtime. Then in Overtime Yak eventually pots the Game WInner!

Oilers lost that game to Dallas. So maybe Benn pots the SO winner after Hemsky scores to tie lol

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#177 Alsker
November 13 2013, 08:37PM
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Nice to see 4-93-14 together. They have been in Dallas zone this whole period. Dubbys biggest save was on Hemmers beauty of a pass giving D 2-0 in our zone.

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#178 James
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@Alsker

This is a common theme good sir!

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#179 Alsker
November 13 2013, 08:53PM
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@James

Turnovers or not we have not been trapped in our zone for eons on end as per @ Philly. The game has been fairly evenly played and that is a huge step up from the last 3. And its entertaining so hang the stats grab a brewsky or a few and enjoy. We're not losing...

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#180 YFC Prez
November 13 2013, 08:55PM
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Phil or Adam?

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#181 Alsker
November 13 2013, 09:02PM
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@James

Thank god...thought I was in for a battle with a statoid..cheers oh dont forget the odd chaser(off to the freezer for little polar ice)

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#182 BingBong
November 13 2013, 09:06PM
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Phil or Adam?

Ha. I just meant he's really just a forward playing defense.

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#183 YFC Prez
November 13 2013, 09:25PM
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Yes Corey power potter play ! Oh another pp coming maybe we will see it

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#184 YFC Prez
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@James

Renney had a little bit of success with that weird behind then net pass back and forth thing. But other than that alsker is right. They have always sucked.

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#185 Gk1980
November 13 2013, 09:36PM
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4 or 5 posts. No puck luck. What have we done to anger the hockey gods?

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#186 Gk1980
November 13 2013, 09:36PM
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4 or 5 posts. No puck luck. What have we done to anger the hockey gods?

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#187 BingBong
November 13 2013, 09:40PM
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James wrote:

Should I drink more? I can't decide. My heart tells me yes, because it's the only way I can get through the suckitude but my head tells me no on account of I have to work tomorrow and the roads will likely be full of suckitude also.

Simple formula: Watch game = drink beer Go to bed = no beer

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#188 Alsker
November 13 2013, 09:43PM
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Yak, Belov, Potter. They have some heavy shooters. Blows my mind why none were out.

There's simply something not right in decision making...not all Eakins. Those 5 guys should have looked to work the backdoor tip in not the 1 timer. Still have to believe Smith/Bucky are not on the same page as the coach(it might be MacTs/kBlowes page though). This has the stench of the blame game.

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#189 Alsker
November 13 2013, 09:50PM
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James wrote:

Should I drink more? I can't decide. My heart tells me yes, because it's the only way I can get through the suckitude but my head tells me no on account of I have to work tomorrow and the roads will likely be full of suckitude also.

It honestly doesn't help BUT it dpnt hurt either..lol...hey Im a contractor and as long as Im on schedule I can skip stupidity hour on the roads in the AM and simply work later to stay on/ahead of schedule. Now if you talking artificial joy, well that's a different story. "cause you're not sharing!!!

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#190 Alsker
November 13 2013, 10:08PM
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James wrote:

Ha, no doubt, no sharing there.

I wish I could start whenever. Sadly, I have set hours. Stupid "office" job!

Thats one of those take the good with the bad. You're stuck to regimental hours but your paycheck is always there, Im much more flexible but go and chase your money...finding work is one thing getting paid is quite another. Amazing how many people think as a contractor its your responsibility to finance their project. Oh well, it been a fun life, back to the game

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#191 James
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@Alsker

True enough, hey?

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#192 Gk1980
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@Johnnydapunk

Yup

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#193 Step Daddy J
November 13 2013, 10:52PM
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coolcanuck1 wrote:

Too bad this isn't the Connor McDavid draft year! But hey, with another lottery pick this year, and if Eakins remains coach, maybe we'll have a chance for #1 pick in 2015!! Something to look forward to!

I think New Jersey or Florida will get Connar in 2015

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#194 Alsker
November 13 2013, 11:17PM
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BingBong wrote:

3 straight shutouts at home?!? That's not even believable. Unreal. This is now the worst Oilers team in franchise history.

Just saw the Kadri hit; that forearm looked nasty.

Went to Oilkings games when they were the only Oil in town. Talent wise this is far from the worst, organizationally(big word for how many beers Ive had) definitely. This changes only from the top down. We need enthusiasm, ambition, and an understanding of what it takes to win. Old 6 rings has none of these. If there is an alumni full of spit and vinegar bring him in, or get someone completely new. The status que DOES NOT WORK. Ok before someone thinks I'm NAS that is all. Good night and be safe.

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#195 GK1980
November 14 2013, 07:35AM
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@BingBong

3 straight shutouts at home?!? That's not even believable. Unreal. This is now the worst Oilers team in franchise history.

Just saw the Kadri hit; that forearm looked nasty.

Can a team forfeit a season and if so, do they forfeit their draft picks? I also have tickets for tomorrow nights game against San Jose, gurantee lose night. Can I get my money back for these?

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#196 Gerald R. Ford
November 14 2013, 08:30AM
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@GK1980

Worst OILERS team? They're getting close enough to smell the '74-'75 Capitals now! That team, adjusted for an 82 game schedule, would have recorded 22 points. The Oilers are on pace for 41. Assuming they even stay on their current stellar pace, and don't get worse.

The 2013-14 Edmonton Oilers, by season's end, might be included in the same conversation as the worst team in the history of the National Hockey League.

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#197 Mike Berger
November 14 2013, 10:19AM
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I agree with some of the articles here but it is to bad the only one that can fire Lowe is Katz and now we have Messier as an advisor to Lowe. As for the coach tell me what was wrong with Tom Renny?

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#198 MessyEH!
November 14 2013, 02:45PM
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Gerald R. Ford wrote:

Worst OILERS team? They're getting close enough to smell the '74-'75 Capitals now! That team, adjusted for an 82 game schedule, would have recorded 22 points. The Oilers are on pace for 41. Assuming they even stay on their current stellar pace, and don't get worse.

The 2013-14 Edmonton Oilers, by season's end, might be included in the same conversation as the worst team in the history of the National Hockey League.

No loser points then either.

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