BLAME GAME

Brian Sutherby
November 14 2013 05:27PM

With each passing day, frustrated fans continue to find new or old reasons as to why this team is where it is. Everyone is searching for answers, with many targeting the “old boys club” that has become the Edmonton Oilers. I don’t know if this is new but many want to focus on the assistant coaches today and blame them for this team’s demise.

I’m not going to sit here and defend the constant re hiring of former Oilers because if it works its great and if it doesn’t then it’s a failure and normally fixed. It’s tough to let go of good people and players that have been great to an organization.

I believe like many of you, more changes on ice and potentially off the ice are likely needed, but I do find it strange the focus is now being directed at assistant coaches Kelly Buchberger and Steve Smith.

HIS PICK

It’s easy to assume Eakins truly didn’t have a choice in picking his assistant coaches but maybe Eakins did decide he wanted to keep Buchberger and Smith? Maybe the players in the room were a vote of confidence for those two and Eakins understood that? That I cannot factually answer and everyone can form their own opinion.

He did however; bring over his buddy Keith Acton from Toronto, so he has someone he is familiar with on his staff. It’s very common for coaches to bring “their” guys to each new job but it is actually not uncommon for teams to retain an assistant coach when a head coach has been relieved of his duties.

HAPPENS ALL THE TIME

I’ve seen it on two of the three teams I played on in the NHL. When Glen Hanlon was fired in Washington and Bruce Boudreau was hired, Dean Evason (my favorite assistant coach of all time) was retained and Bruce kept him for his entire tenure in Washington. Dean had a great relationship with the guys and was very respected by everyone.

In Dallas Stu Barnes survived the Dave Tippett firing and worked under Mark Crawford for his 2 years in Dallas. Not to mention they were both former players for those respective organizations. It’s not just in Edmonton.

Regardless of all that, I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding of what exactly an assistant coach brings to the table. With all due respect to the great assistant coaches around the league, assistant coaches provide value but not near enough to blame them for day to day decisions.

COMMUNICATION

I was always very tight with my assistant coaches. I have played for some fantastic ones. This was because they were tremendous guys. When times are tough and you have a question about how to handle a certain situation, you could go to them. Assistant coaches could get a message to the coach or from a coach to you about what he is thinking or why certain decisions are being made.

The reason former players are often hired to be assistants is because they have played the game, they understand the ups and downs throughout the year and how players want to be treated. Great assistant coaches in my opinion provide a pipeline to the coach, and they provide tips and good stories or techniques of how they would handle certain situations. They watch game tape and do extra work with you on things that need it. Many head coaches don’t want to deal with the day to day of player mentalities or headaches; this is the greatest asset an assistant coach provides.

FINAL SAY

Assistants have certain assignments and often run the power play or penalty kill meetings but many are mistaken if the thought is assistant coaches are calling the final shots on the systems you see. Some assistants are more active than others and handle more of a load but at the end of it all the head coach is taking their advice and providing the players with his message. It’s him who will ultimately land on the sword if things fail.

Be mad all you want at Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini who re-built this team. Be mad at the fact the players themselves haven’t produced winning results since Gregor debated a comb over, but I don’t think for a second if they had two different assistant coaches this team would be dramatically better. I think we’re reaching now.

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#1 DonDon
November 14 2013, 05:33PM
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Brian. What do you make of MacT's latest comments as recorded on TSN?

Surprisingly, ON has been quiet on this episode in the life of the Oil.

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#2 Metal&Oil
November 14 2013, 05:35PM
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Yes. It is fairly common for assistants to retain their jobs through a head coaching change but to survive 3-5 different coaching changes is not normal. I bet you could scour the whole history of professional sports and not see this situation repeated anywhere.

Fire Lowe and let the new president clean house.

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#3 Craig1981
November 14 2013, 05:40PM
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I think its frustrating and everyone wants answers. I think the biggest issue with this team is just how terrible it was back in 2010. Besides their 1rst rounders, not one player in their prospect pool turned out to be a useful player. Cogliano, Gagner, Smid, and Hemsky are the only 4 players under 25 that are any use to a club now. All in all only 6 skaters on the team are NHL quality players now. Having a new franchise would of been easier to build up from!

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#4 Bloodsweatandoil
November 14 2013, 05:52PM
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What's the point anymore, after the MacT presser today, apparently Oiler fans have to bend over for another season.

MacT said on OilersNow today,: "as hard as this is to say, given our current record, I couldn't be happier with the coaching.

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#5 -30-
November 14 2013, 05:55PM
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Analyzing the Oilers is analogous to figuring out why a girl you know is always getting into bad relationships.

Is it the girl? Is it the guys? What's the ONE constant in those bad times? Obviously it's the girl who keeps choosing the abusive partners.

That's where we've arrived in Oilerville. Players and coaches keep changing to the same end.

What's the one constant in this pitiful cycle of losing?

The assistant coaches and klowe. Figure it out.

Wanna break the cycle of losing?

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#6 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
November 14 2013, 05:57PM
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Thanks for the inside look, Suds. One thing that's occurred to me amidst the recent Yak-ontroversey, is that one of the associate coaches should take him under his wing, and really do some mentoring. Despite the rumors on this site, I have no idea what the dressing room climate is like. Whatever the mood, I get the sense that Yak could use an ally

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#7 Loyal Oil
November 14 2013, 06:02PM
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The Edmonton Oilers will have appered in one playoffs over the last 10 years after this season. K. Lowe has been the Hockey Boss (GM/POHO) for that entire period. 10% success rate. I don't think there I any need to go Bucky hunting.

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#8 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
November 14 2013, 06:04PM
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Brian, what is your take on all of this? What is the biggest problem? Management, players, coaching, luck? black Magic maybe?

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#9 John
November 14 2013, 06:12PM
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I am a lifer as a Oilers fan and sat in the stands when Messier did not spend 20 seconds a game on the defensive side of the red line and Paul Coffey was minus 5 every night and that was if he scored twice and Wayne Gretzky couldn't spell "Back check" but we where patient fans as they learned the game and where eventually rewarded as we saw them win 5 cups in that old barn. Did Sather make mistakes you bet he did as he tried to find the right supporting group for his stars . But he and the fans stuck with it and we where rewarded.

Now as this group of very talented kids struggles to learn the game just as the boys on the bus did the new core of Oiler fans seems to all be from the "instant gratification " group who think patience is calculated in days .

I have a theory for discussion . Over the last 5 or 6 years the population of Alberta has exploded with 100 of thousands of people moving here from Ontario and Quebec were being a hockey fan is a "Blood Sport" and running players and coaches out of town is what you do if you have been a Leafs fan. My Question how many of the people calling for scalps on these blogs are really Oiler fans and how many are closet Leaf or Habs fans who have imported their ways from the East. Maybe we should make it a rule that any one commenting on the Oilers should first state how long they have lived here and were did they come from and are they Really a Oiler fan .

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#10 K_Mart
November 14 2013, 06:13PM
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Oilers? Who are they?

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#11 Harlie
November 14 2013, 06:22PM
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I did kinda chuckle to myself when I heard the Eakins presser where he said that Acton provided "the gift" of going through Yakupov's shifts, shift by shift with him.

Ol' Yak was probably rolling his eyes and thinking:

Santa stay in mother Russia this year. Gift is offensive dynamo Keith Acton on how to score on goalies and play defensive ice hockeys!

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#12 DSF
November 14 2013, 06:27PM
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John wrote:

I am a lifer as a Oilers fan and sat in the stands when Messier did not spend 20 seconds a game on the defensive side of the red line and Paul Coffey was minus 5 every night and that was if he scored twice and Wayne Gretzky couldn't spell "Back check" but we where patient fans as they learned the game and where eventually rewarded as we saw them win 5 cups in that old barn. Did Sather make mistakes you bet he did as he tried to find the right supporting group for his stars . But he and the fans stuck with it and we where rewarded.

Now as this group of very talented kids struggles to learn the game just as the boys on the bus did the new core of Oiler fans seems to all be from the "instant gratification " group who think patience is calculated in days .

I have a theory for discussion . Over the last 5 or 6 years the population of Alberta has exploded with 100 of thousands of people moving here from Ontario and Quebec were being a hockey fan is a "Blood Sport" and running players and coaches out of town is what you do if you have been a Leafs fan. My Question how many of the people calling for scalps on these blogs are really Oiler fans and how many are closet Leaf or Habs fans who have imported their ways from the East. Maybe we should make it a rule that any one commenting on the Oilers should first state how long they have lived here and were did they come from and are they Really a Oiler fan .

"Instant gratification" is a ridiculous notion in this context.

The Oilers are about to miss the playoffs for the 8th consecutive season after having drafted in the top 10 6 times in the past 7 years....including 3 first overall picks.

Any objective observer would proclaim this a failed rebuild especially when you consider the team has gone through 3 General Managers and 5 head coaches during that same period.

The platitudes we heard from MacT today merely reinforce what many Oiler fans have increasingly suspected in that the management of the team is not qualified to get the team back to the playoffs any time soon.

(BTW, I've been an Oilers fan since the first WHA season and was a long time season ticket holder until Kevin Lowe drove me away.)

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#13 Rama Lama
November 14 2013, 06:31PM
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I think that management rushed these young players into the NHL at the cost of development.

I for one would have never let any of the "young players", except maybe RNH into the NHL without learning the professional game in the AHL. The emphasis of our AHL team should be playing as much as possible and really concentrating on the defensive side of the game.

Call it the Detroit model, but if the OIlers management were selling this concept, the rabid fan base would understand this and hold their criticsm in check.

In stead we will be wandering in the desert for quite some time, while this continuous rebuild goes on.

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#14 Drake
November 14 2013, 06:32PM
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Most surprising thing Mac said today was they were making Junior Hockey mistakes. That sounds to me that Eakins is no so safe.

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#15 Bigee small
November 14 2013, 06:34PM
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In life everyone has a power to change unwanted product. example if you do not like your leader, you do not waste you vote on that individual. Simple! In these case, if you do not support the team by purchasing tickets or merchandises. guarantee will show the owner, who is the boss until then funs will continue to spin their tails....

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#16 DSF
November 14 2013, 06:36PM
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Drake wrote:

Most surprising thing Mac said today was they were making Junior Hockey mistakes. That sounds to me that Eakins is no so safe.

He also said:

"The Oilers' general manager also spoke about rookie head coach Dallas Eakins, whom he hired over the summer from the AHL's Toronto Marlies.

"What this team needs is continuity in coaching, and they're going to get it... (Eakins is) hitting all the right messages," said MacTavish."

With the way MacT handled his first decision as GM, hiring Eakins, he has way too much invested to admit he made a mistake.

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#17 916oiler
November 14 2013, 06:40PM
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Well said, good read. This is where the credibility of being an actual NHL player (former of course) is so useful. Good article, and one that isn't just heresay.

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#18 John
November 14 2013, 06:47PM
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DSF wrote:

"Instant gratification" is a ridiculous notion in this context.

The Oilers are about to miss the playoffs for the 8th consecutive season after having drafted in the top 10 6 times in the past 7 years....including 3 first overall picks.

Any objective observer would proclaim this a failed rebuild especially when you consider the team has gone through 3 General Managers and 5 head coaches during that same period.

The platitudes we heard from MacT today merely reinforce what many Oiler fans have increasingly suspected in that the management of the team is not qualified to get the team back to the playoffs any time soon.

(BTW, I've been an Oilers fan since the first WHA season and was a long time season ticket holder until Kevin Lowe drove me away.)

So you are only a fan if they are winning cups? What about enjoying the game for the great game it is.? Because guys that is what it is a game . We could all be in the Philippines right now .

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#19 kale
November 14 2013, 06:50PM
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That was a disappointing presser by MacT. He likes the progress he has seen recently. Seriously, the Oilers havent scored in the last three home games-something that hasnt been done by any other team for 40 years. Please just get us back to where we were last year when we strung some victories together and I will be happy.

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#20 D-Unit
November 14 2013, 06:50PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I think that management rushed these young players into the NHL at the cost of development.

I for one would have never let any of the "young players", except maybe RNH into the NHL without learning the professional game in the AHL. The emphasis of our AHL team should be playing as much as possible and really concentrating on the defensive side of the game.

Call it the Detroit model, but if the OIlers management were selling this concept, the rabid fan base would understand this and hold their criticsm in check.

In stead we will be wandering in the desert for quite some time, while this continuous rebuild goes on.

With the position the Oilers were in, you can't really go the "Detroit" model. Detroit hasn't drafted any where near the top in 20 years, and hasn't had a 1 pick since the mid 80s. There is a reason Detroit can develop players in the AHL or Europe. If Junior players could go straight to the AHL, it would be great doing that with high picks, but since most have 2 years left to spend in Junior after their draft year, they would be 3 to 4 years out from draft to NHL. The Oilers aren't the only team to bring high picks right to the NHL.

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#21 JJ
November 14 2013, 06:58PM
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DSF wrote:

He also said:

"The Oilers' general manager also spoke about rookie head coach Dallas Eakins, whom he hired over the summer from the AHL's Toronto Marlies.

"What this team needs is continuity in coaching, and they're going to get it... (Eakins is) hitting all the right messages," said MacTavish."

With the way MacT handled his first decision as GM, hiring Eakins, he has way too much invested to admit he made a mistake.

This press conference displayed our biggest problem. Our management are either so delusional and incompetent that they truly believe what they're saying, or they're so arrogant that they'd rather fail than admit they were wrong. Either way, both are terrifying.

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#22 DSF
November 14 2013, 06:59PM
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John wrote:

So you are only a fan if they are winning cups? What about enjoying the game for the great game it is.? Because guys that is what it is a game . We could all be in the Philippines right now .

No I've also been a fan for the last 25 years when the Oilers, for the most part were a pathetic, under-funded, dysfunctional organization.

I do enjoy the game much more now that I'm not financially and emotionally invested in the Oilers who are likely more dysfunctional now than they've ever been despite having a salary cap, a strong Canadian dollar and a billionaire owner providing all the resources they need to build a winner but are hamstrung by the inept management team that can't even field a competitive team, never mind a winner.

The game, as played in nearly every other NHL location, is the best game in the world and the fans of nearly all of those teams at least can believe into the spring that their team just might have a chance. Instead Oilers fans are stuck with a team that was out of the playoff race before the end of October.

If you're looking at a city and a team that has had everything working against it from a poor location, shady or non- existent ownership, no budget and a small fan base, consider the Phoenix Coyotes who despite a host of handicaps, almost always ice a competitive team led by competent management and coaching.

Last time I looked, they were 13-4-2 and second in the toughest division in hockey.

Now, ask yourself why that is and, then get back to me.

Your silly analogy that being an Oiler fan is better than being a typhoon victim in the Philippines is just so sad.

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#23 DSF
November 14 2013, 07:01PM
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JJ wrote:

This press conference displayed our biggest problem. Our management are either so delusional and incompetent that they truly believe what they're saying, or they're so arrogant that they'd rather fail than admit they were wrong. Either way, both are terrifying.

I think BOTH of your possibilities are accurate.

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#24 madjam
November 14 2013, 07:04PM
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Where's the old magic in those lord of the six rings ? Rusted/tarnished out I suppose ? Locked up in Katz's vault waiting till we are in new arena ? Maybe they are lost ? Maybe team moving to Mexico City ?

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#25 Hits from the BoNg
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John wrote:

I am a lifer as a Oilers fan and sat in the stands when Messier did not spend 20 seconds a game on the defensive side of the red line and Paul Coffey was minus 5 every night and that was if he scored twice and Wayne Gretzky couldn't spell "Back check" but we where patient fans as they learned the game and where eventually rewarded as we saw them win 5 cups in that old barn. Did Sather make mistakes you bet he did as he tried to find the right supporting group for his stars . But he and the fans stuck with it and we where rewarded.

Now as this group of very talented kids struggles to learn the game just as the boys on the bus did the new core of Oiler fans seems to all be from the "instant gratification " group who think patience is calculated in days .

I have a theory for discussion . Over the last 5 or 6 years the population of Alberta has exploded with 100 of thousands of people moving here from Ontario and Quebec were being a hockey fan is a "Blood Sport" and running players and coaches out of town is what you do if you have been a Leafs fan. My Question how many of the people calling for scalps on these blogs are really Oiler fans and how many are closet Leaf or Habs fans who have imported their ways from the East. Maybe we should make it a rule that any one commenting on the Oilers should first state how long they have lived here and were did they come from and are they Really a Oiler fan .

Kids. This is why you should say no to drugs.

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#26 Bloodsweatandoil
November 14 2013, 07:09PM
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@John

Hi John,

I like the cut of your jib. I have lived in Alberta all my life, 41 years. Past season ticket with the Oilers from 1993-2003. Before 93 and after 04, I can honestly say I have purchased tickets to 250 games at Edmonton, and 20 on the road. I think some of my comments on Oilers Nation are valid, some are not due to anger, frustration and embarrassment on my behalf.

We have to agree it was different hockey back then, but I feel Glen Sather never had it this bad, he would never let it happen.

Glen Sather's first coaching year record:

1979-80 : 28 wins 39 losses 13 ties 1981-89 : 414 wins 202 losses 86 ties, with some Stanley Cups sprinkled in there...

My point is that, for all those young guys to be put together like that basically at the beginning of the Oilers entry to the NHL and to continue to dominate until 1990, I do not think Sather made mistakes.

Oiler fans were rewarded almost the instant they entered the NHL and continuously rewarded until the last cup in 1990. When all those stars moved on, and Sather moved on, so did the winning tradition year after year.

I am not looking for instant gratification gauged in days, I am looking for a competitive team that has heart and is tough to play against game in, game out. I was willing to give 3 or 4 years after 2007....

It is taken years so far to build this team that is still not competitive at all in this NHL. I am a very Proud Oiler Fan!! But lately it seems, those same guys who run our club, who were a huge part of what I mentioned above, have lost their pride and now have made our club the embarrassment of today's NHL. They continuously preach patience, sit dormant,and move in or out the wrong pieces.

I will always be an Oiler Fan, but how long should this really take? Why is this year so painful? Why isn't it BOLD? lol...I'm done

Dale C.

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#27 kale
November 14 2013, 07:09PM
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@JJ

I agree, when MacT said people outside the organization are optimistic about the team and that is a good barometer I wonder who he has been talking too, he certainly hasnt read papers out of Ottowa or listened to the NHL radio network.

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#28 DSF
November 14 2013, 07:13PM
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kale wrote:

I agree, when MacT said people outside the organization are optimistic about the team and that is a good barometer I wonder who he has been talking too, he certainly hasnt read papers out of Ottowa or listened to the NHL radio network.

Ray Ferraro, who did colour on last night's broadcast, absolutely ripped the team today.

Out here on the west coast, the Oilers have become the butt of almost every joke on talk radio...including their NHL guests.

I wonder if MacT got a glowing review when he met with Igor Larionov today? 😳

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#29 YFC Prez
November 14 2013, 07:19PM
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I don't blame the assistants. I blame the guy who put them there and is likely responsible for them still being behind the bench. Mr Lowe. Players have a hard time adapting to different coaches, well the same seems very likely for the current set of assistant coaches. They are constantly learning new systems and trying to help teach new systems with each coaching change. How can they teach and implement systems they themselves are just getting accustomed too. Eakins should have hired his own assistants outside of the current group. And whether it was Eakins choice or not doesn't matter. The buck stops on Lowe. Yet another failure on his watch.

Oilers brass always goes after the best player available by the majority consensus for every one of their top picks. Why can't Lowe hire his personnel on these same premises. None of Eakins Kruger or Renney were the best talent available for head coaches when they were hired. Same goes for Mac T and Tambellini. I do actually have faith in Mac t and Eakins learning and excelling in their roles. But to combine a rookie GM , rookie coach, and young rebuilding team at an incredibly fickle and important time in the rebuild is a recipe for disaster. Once again the buck stops at Lowe.

Time for change.

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#30 DOMINATOR
November 14 2013, 07:23PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I think that management rushed these young players into the NHL at the cost of development.

I for one would have never let any of the "young players", except maybe RNH into the NHL without learning the professional game in the AHL. The emphasis of our AHL team should be playing as much as possible and really concentrating on the defensive side of the game.

Call it the Detroit model, but if the OIlers management were selling this concept, the rabid fan base would understand this and hold their criticsm in check.

In stead we will be wandering in the desert for quite some time, while this continuous rebuild goes on.

This is. 100% correct. It's draft AND develop

Any idiot can draft top picks. But developing them slowly and building a team around them is the art. The oil brass are full if hope and delusion but I think they are out of their depth running an NHL organization. It's a clown show.

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#31 DOMINATOR
November 14 2013, 07:23PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I think that management rushed these young players into the NHL at the cost of development.

I for one would have never let any of the "young players", except maybe RNH into the NHL without learning the professional game in the AHL. The emphasis of our AHL team should be playing as much as possible and really concentrating on the defensive side of the game.

Call it the Detroit model, but if the OIlers management were selling this concept, the rabid fan base would understand this and hold their criticsm in check.

In stead we will be wandering in the desert for quite some time, while this continuous rebuild goes on.

This is. 100% correct. It's draft AND develop

Any idiot can draft top picks. But developing them slowly and building a team around them is the art. The oil brass are full if hope and delusion but I think they are out of their depth running an NHL organization. It's a clown show.

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#32 DOMINATOR
November 14 2013, 07:23PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I think that management rushed these young players into the NHL at the cost of development.

I for one would have never let any of the "young players", except maybe RNH into the NHL without learning the professional game in the AHL. The emphasis of our AHL team should be playing as much as possible and really concentrating on the defensive side of the game.

Call it the Detroit model, but if the OIlers management were selling this concept, the rabid fan base would understand this and hold their criticsm in check.

In stead we will be wandering in the desert for quite some time, while this continuous rebuild goes on.

This is. 100% correct. It's draft AND develop

Any idiot can draft top picks. But developing them slowly and building a team around them is the art. The oil brass are full if hope and delusion but I think they are out of their depth running an NHL organization. It's a clown show.

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#33 DOMINATOR
November 14 2013, 07:24PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I think that management rushed these young players into the NHL at the cost of development.

I for one would have never let any of the "young players", except maybe RNH into the NHL without learning the professional game in the AHL. The emphasis of our AHL team should be playing as much as possible and really concentrating on the defensive side of the game.

Call it the Detroit model, but if the OIlers management were selling this concept, the rabid fan base would understand this and hold their criticsm in check.

In stead we will be wandering in the desert for quite some time, while this continuous rebuild goes on.

This is. 100% correct. It's draft AND develop

Any idiot can draft top picks. But developing them slowly and building a team around them is the art. The oil brass are full if hope and delusion but I think they are out of their depth running an NHL organization. It's a clown show.

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#34 Rod from Viking
November 14 2013, 07:26PM
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kale wrote:

I agree, when MacT said people outside the organization are optimistic about the team and that is a good barometer I wonder who he has been talking too, he certainly hasnt read papers out of Ottowa or listened to the NHL radio network.

He meant they are very optimistic about getting two points when they play the Oilers.

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#35 YFC Prez
November 14 2013, 07:27PM
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@DOMINATOR

I hear ya. It's Got ya so upset you had to say it once for each of Lowes cups.

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#36 DSF
November 14 2013, 07:30PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

I hear ya. It's Got ya so upset you had to say it once for each of Lowes cups.

I propped all 6.

Does that make me a bad person?

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#37 RJ
November 14 2013, 07:30PM
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Player development never happens in a straight line, the story goes. If we look at the Sedins as an example. Drafted high, and slow to develop, I remember reading stories of how they were both busts until they both won the scoring title. Will any of the oiler kids do that? I dunno. But I wonder how much has What.... No chocolate, you gotta have chocolate lol...been stifled by changing coaches every year. I don't think that helps anyone.

Likewise, looking objectively, it was clear when MacT took over the team was weak down the middle, lacked elite skill on the back-end, and for all the talk about dubnyk's save percentage, he's never struck me as an elite goalie. And after all MacT's moves, we are still thin down the middle, lacking some elite top 2 dmen and lacking a top-shelf goalie. And do t complain about injuries: they happen every year to every team. That's why gms try to build depth, and the team lacks depth down the middle.

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#38 Smokey
November 14 2013, 07:32PM
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I think fans are blaming coaches and management and we may be cherry picking particular things we see. The firing of head coaches and retaining Bucky through now 4 head coaches and Smith through 2 is emblematic of the culture and philosophical downfalls of this regime. Its bad optics and sends the message that we have not hired the best candidates. The consensus is that Management has hired those they know rather then hiring the best available option. If Lowe and MacT are actually intent on hiring the best candidates or even retaining good hires, we would still have Huddy, Daum, Fleming.

This is the hiring model implemented by many organizations in hockey. Some times it works and sometimes it goes wrong. Good organizations hire guys who have dissenting opinions. Egomaniacal managers hire yes men, or people who share their opinion. The rest get shown the door. There is a flaw in the Oiler's management, because the quantifiable evidence is in the on ice product.

In regards to specifically this article, Last years when special teams were working relatively well it was the same guys running them for the most part. I assume Eakins is responsible for instituting the changes and subtle nuances to this system. Are you saying Bucky and Smith and Acton are merely implementing the approach and structure of the various systems? Who's to blame, Eakins, the assistants, or is mostly a personnel problem?

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#39 YFC Prez
November 14 2013, 07:34PM
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@DSF

I don't know about that. But on a second look it definetly appears like I can't count. Oh well. Cheap shots at k Lowe shouldn't require any kind of valid Segway or reason of any kind for that matter

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#40 JJ
November 14 2013, 07:36PM
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Regarding D. Eakins.

We could have had John Tortorella here, he was out there and available, now he's in Vancouver and they're doing well. We could have had a hardass that's a guy who would have said Jordan Eberle, you're gonna sit for 7 games bitch. Or Gagner, buh-bye mother-******, go sit in the dressing room for the rest of the season asswipe. But no, you get guys like Eakins who doesn't do ****.

And I'm getting way off track with my point here but I'm on a rant because I'm pissed, because nobody listens, nobody gets it. All you ever hear from people is 'Go Oilers Go'. Go where? Go ****ing where? They can't skate, they can't hit, as in there's no reaction from the club. You're down 4-1, 5-1, whatever, you gotta get the guys going, take a timeout and tell em to just start steamrolling guys. That's how you get back into it, you get the fans going. But Dallas Eakins never does that, he never does anything different. It's like "Oh well, it's over". As a fan, why are you still sitting there. Get the **** out of Rexall, or start booing the ****ing organization. You're just gonna get ****ed and you don't get it.

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#41 madjam
November 14 2013, 07:37PM
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When you have had losing as long as our franchise has endured it's time to take callouses off their eyes and bring in a new vision , as old one clouded over so bad they cannot see anymore how to turn things around . Same clouded vision with same cloudy results , and that looks like the only constant we have here as fans . .

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#42 DSF
November 14 2013, 07:38PM
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In other news...the injury riddled LA Kings (Quick, Richards, Stoll, Carter) just defeated the Islanders 3-2.

Leading the way...Tanner Pearson who scored in his first NHL game, Tyler Toffoli (5GP 3G 7P) and Linden Vey (3P in 4GP)

Amazing how young players can perform when supported by quality veterans.

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#43 JJ
November 14 2013, 07:45PM
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In other news...the injury riddled LA Kings (Quick, Richards, Stoll, Carter) just defeated the Islanders 3-2.

Leading the way...Tanner Pearson who scored in his first NHL game, Tyler Toffoli (5GP 3G 7P) and Linden Vey (3P in 4GP)

Amazing how young players can perform when supported by quality veterans.

Yup.. I think that'll be the difference between Calgary and Edmonton the next couple of years. It was wise of them to retain guys like Stempniak and Giordano and Glencross while adding quality veteran presence in guys like Smid.

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#44 Harlie
November 14 2013, 07:49PM
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Strictly speaking from a business/ management perspective, I heard too much "I" and not enough "we or us" from MacTEMBA.

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#45 book¡e
November 14 2013, 07:53PM
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Ray Ferraro, who did colour on last night's broadcast, absolutely ripped the team today.

Out here on the west coast, the Oilers have become the butt of almost every joke on talk radio...including their NHL guests.

I wonder if MacT got a glowing review when he met with Igor Larionov today? 😳

Oh, sorry, did you think anyone in Edmonton cares what the west coast thinks?

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#46 DSF
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Oh, sorry, did you think anyone in Edmonton cares what the west coast thinks?

Oh, I think you can hear the laughter from pretty much every direction.

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#47 DSF
November 14 2013, 08:01PM
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Yup.. I think that'll be the difference between Calgary and Edmonton the next couple of years. It was wise of them to retain guys like Stempniak and Giordano and Glencross while adding quality veteran presence in guys like Smid.

Calgary is going to be interesting to watch.

You have to remember they had 3 first round draft picks last season and all of them are doing pretty well.

With all the cap space they have, they could turn things around pretty quickly.

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#48 YFC Prez
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Could have had Torts?

man during the oilers several coaching changes we could have had: Ruff, Jacques Martin, Guy Boucher, Brent Sutter, Paul Maurice, Carlyle, Michel Therrien, Bruce Boudreau, Bob Hartley, Ken Hitchcock..... the list goes on and on and on

the first and last name on that list still really hurts....stubborn oiler bosses

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#49 dougtheslug
November 14 2013, 08:12PM
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Could have had Torts?

man during the oilers several coaching changes we could have had: Ruff, Jacques Martin, Guy Boucher, Brent Sutter, Paul Maurice, Carlyle, Michel Therrien, Bruce Boudreau, Bob Hartley, Ken Hitchcock..... the list goes on and on and on

the first and last name on that list still really hurts....stubborn oiler bosses

Are you crazy? Not one guy on your list is an ex-Oiler. Don't speak such silliness!

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#50 dow7500
November 14 2013, 08:33PM
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I liked Mact as a player, I liked him as a coach, I like him as a GM....so far. The calls to fire him are rantings of frustration. The seasons shot, judge him over the rest of the season. Cleaning house has been done several times with the same results. Eakins didn't puke the puck up like a bantam, the players did, and consistently do. Lets put this where it should be, the players.

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