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Brian Sutherby
November 14 2013 05:27PM

With each passing day, frustrated fans continue to find new or old reasons as to why this team is where it is. Everyone is searching for answers, with many targeting the “old boys club” that has become the Edmonton Oilers. I don’t know if this is new but many want to focus on the assistant coaches today and blame them for this team’s demise.

I’m not going to sit here and defend the constant re hiring of former Oilers because if it works its great and if it doesn’t then it’s a failure and normally fixed. It’s tough to let go of good people and players that have been great to an organization.

I believe like many of you, more changes on ice and potentially off the ice are likely needed, but I do find it strange the focus is now being directed at assistant coaches Kelly Buchberger and Steve Smith.

HIS PICK

It’s easy to assume Eakins truly didn’t have a choice in picking his assistant coaches but maybe Eakins did decide he wanted to keep Buchberger and Smith? Maybe the players in the room were a vote of confidence for those two and Eakins understood that? That I cannot factually answer and everyone can form their own opinion.

He did however; bring over his buddy Keith Acton from Toronto, so he has someone he is familiar with on his staff. It’s very common for coaches to bring “their” guys to each new job but it is actually not uncommon for teams to retain an assistant coach when a head coach has been relieved of his duties.

HAPPENS ALL THE TIME

I’ve seen it on two of the three teams I played on in the NHL. When Glen Hanlon was fired in Washington and Bruce Boudreau was hired, Dean Evason (my favorite assistant coach of all time) was retained and Bruce kept him for his entire tenure in Washington. Dean had a great relationship with the guys and was very respected by everyone.

In Dallas Stu Barnes survived the Dave Tippett firing and worked under Mark Crawford for his 2 years in Dallas. Not to mention they were both former players for those respective organizations. It’s not just in Edmonton.

Regardless of all that, I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding of what exactly an assistant coach brings to the table. With all due respect to the great assistant coaches around the league, assistant coaches provide value but not near enough to blame them for day to day decisions.

COMMUNICATION

I was always very tight with my assistant coaches. I have played for some fantastic ones. This was because they were tremendous guys. When times are tough and you have a question about how to handle a certain situation, you could go to them. Assistant coaches could get a message to the coach or from a coach to you about what he is thinking or why certain decisions are being made.

The reason former players are often hired to be assistants is because they have played the game, they understand the ups and downs throughout the year and how players want to be treated. Great assistant coaches in my opinion provide a pipeline to the coach, and they provide tips and good stories or techniques of how they would handle certain situations. They watch game tape and do extra work with you on things that need it. Many head coaches don’t want to deal with the day to day of player mentalities or headaches; this is the greatest asset an assistant coach provides.

FINAL SAY

Assistants have certain assignments and often run the power play or penalty kill meetings but many are mistaken if the thought is assistant coaches are calling the final shots on the systems you see. Some assistants are more active than others and handle more of a load but at the end of it all the head coach is taking their advice and providing the players with his message. It’s him who will ultimately land on the sword if things fail.

Be mad all you want at Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini who re-built this team. Be mad at the fact the players themselves haven’t produced winning results since Gregor debated a comb over, but I don’t think for a second if they had two different assistant coaches this team would be dramatically better. I think we’re reaching now.

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#51 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 14 2013, 08:38PM
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John wrote:

I am a lifer as a Oilers fan and sat in the stands when Messier did not spend 20 seconds a game on the defensive side of the red line and Paul Coffey was minus 5 every night and that was if he scored twice and Wayne Gretzky couldn't spell "Back check" but we where patient fans as they learned the game and where eventually rewarded as we saw them win 5 cups in that old barn. Did Sather make mistakes you bet he did as he tried to find the right supporting group for his stars . But he and the fans stuck with it and we where rewarded.

Now as this group of very talented kids struggles to learn the game just as the boys on the bus did the new core of Oiler fans seems to all be from the "instant gratification " group who think patience is calculated in days .

I have a theory for discussion . Over the last 5 or 6 years the population of Alberta has exploded with 100 of thousands of people moving here from Ontario and Quebec were being a hockey fan is a "Blood Sport" and running players and coaches out of town is what you do if you have been a Leafs fan. My Question how many of the people calling for scalps on these blogs are really Oiler fans and how many are closet Leaf or Habs fans who have imported their ways from the East. Maybe we should make it a rule that any one commenting on the Oilers should first state how long they have lived here and were did they come from and are they Really a Oiler fan .

There is no Gretzky, there is no Messier and there is no Coffee on this team....and there never will be. Those comparisons, and I have been guilty of making those comparisons myself, are false.

Time to not only get rid of their pictures in the room, but also the bull crap predictions that these kids will evolve into the aforementioned generational legends. Never gonna happen, acknowledge the fact and move on.

It's a new day, so to speak.

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#52 Harlie
November 14 2013, 08:44PM
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Hmmm...interesting quote from MacTemba

Reflecting on his coaching style, Craig says, “I don’t think I’m a tough coach, but you have to be demanding to get your players to a certain level of execution.” At the same time, he sees that coaching styles have evolved in the years since he was a player. “Like any business venture, there’s more of a collaborative relationship between players and coaches. That has been a change for the good. You have to sell your tactics, and they have to be backed up by success on the ice, so that you have the credibility to continue to deliver your message.”

http://www.queensu.ca/news/alumnireview/business-hockey

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#53 madjam
November 14 2013, 08:49PM
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Smid leads Flames into another loss tonite as Flames getting mauled 5-1 after two periods by Dallas . Will Oilers take Saturdays game just as easily ? Book it !

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#54 Rama Lama
November 14 2013, 08:49PM
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@D-Unit

Thanks for your comments........I do agree with what you are saying but I was talking more of our elite draft choices being signed and having to learn the game in the minor system.

I would re-develop the Barons to be more development focused, teaching the kids to play with men. I would not even dream of having kids like Darnel Nurse bypass the system.........make it mandatory.

I do not believe that Detroit develops any talent in Europe.........that's totally a different game. As the pundits have said only Sid made a smooth transition playing both ends of the ice.

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#55 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 14 2013, 08:51PM
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Hits from the BoNg wrote:

Kids. This is why you should say no to drugs.

Said "Hits From The Bong."

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#56 Butters
November 14 2013, 08:56PM
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I'm ticked. Not only has this team been terrible for what seems like forever, they have also figured out a way to keep me from ever winning the 50-50.

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#57 Space Dad
November 14 2013, 09:04PM
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"It must be considered that there is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things.”

Imposing a new order on chaos... essentially, this was the task given to Eakins at the beginning of this year. I think we are only just beginning to see what an incredibly chaotic state the Oilers were in before he arrived.

What, if anything, did Ralph Krueger do to address actually teaching these players anything about the strong, defensively-sound mindset required for winning? Why is it so frustratingly difficult for these players to adopt the defensively attentive attitude they need to in order to turn things around?

Krueger was a motivator and a psychologist, not a teacher and a strategist. Unfortunately, such a coaching style is, in the long-term especially, doomed to fail. It has not curbed the chaos of this young team - it has fostered it. A player cannot be externally motivated to commit to defense. This motivation has to be intrinsic! Currently, almost every Oiler "young gun" is intrinsically motivated only to score and display offensive flair.

Why is Nuge different from the other Fab Five? Why is he so obviously better at defense? Because he focused on this area of the game as being extremely important. No one did that for him - he made defense a personal priority.

It's time for the other players to follow suit, and Eakins is the only coach since MacT to be standing firm in requiring them to learn this lesson. In order for the team to be sustainably successful, they all need to learn:

1) you can't cheat for offense, and 2) you must sacrifice for defense

Not an easy lesson, but a necessary one. The pain of learning it is what the players (and the fans) are going through so far this season. Eakins fault? No. Someone needs to teach these players this lesson. I would think that MacT knows this, and that, accordingly, we have the reason for why he "couldn't be happier with the coaching." Clearing the rubble away is difficult and painful - a stubborn, principled coach like Eakins is the man for the job.

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#58 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 14 2013, 09:04PM
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@JJ

@#40 JJ.......

Let's see if we can get JJ.'s props up to the same number as his blood pressure!......my blood pressure went up just reading it!

JJ you might want to think about giving "Hits From A Bong" a visit.....he's got some......ah......medicine.

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#59 Jay
November 14 2013, 09:08PM
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so basically brian is saying that assistant coaches cant get blamed because they cant have a large enough impact, so if its not working and they cant have a large impact it should be easy to try something new

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#60 StHenriOilBomb
November 14 2013, 09:10PM
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@Space Dad

Bravo. Well said.

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#61 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 14 2013, 09:12PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

There is no Gretzky, there is no Messier and there is no Coffee on this team....and there never will be. Those comparisons, and I have been guilty of making those comparisons myself, are false.

Time to not only get rid of their pictures in the room, but also the bull crap predictions that these kids will evolve into the aforementioned generational legends. Never gonna happen, acknowledge the fact and move on.

It's a new day, so to speak.

Jeeeez I'm old......it just hit me ....reading my own post......WHY they play(ed) that stupid Buzz killing Adelle song before the start of the games...It's A New Day.!!........fcuk I'm slow on the uptake.....

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#62 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 14 2013, 09:24PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

Could have had Torts?

man during the oilers several coaching changes we could have had: Ruff, Jacques Martin, Guy Boucher, Brent Sutter, Paul Maurice, Carlyle, Michel Therrien, Bruce Boudreau, Bob Hartley, Ken Hitchcock..... the list goes on and on and on

the first and last name on that list still really hurts....stubborn oiler bosses

Paul Maurice maybe.......KLowe could control him......

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#63 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 14 2013, 09:38PM
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madjam wrote:

Smid leads Flames into another loss tonite as Flames getting mauled 5-1 after two periods by Dallas . Will Oilers take Saturdays game just as easily ? Book it !

Smids a Pylon!......(now that he's a Flame)

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#64 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 14 2013, 09:42PM
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The two Alberta teams are so competitive...."We're the a Worst Team in the league".......NO!......"We Are!"......"Are Not!"......"We Are!".....

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#65 DSF
November 14 2013, 09:57PM
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Oh look kids....

Tyler Seguin with 4G 1A tonight.

On pace for 56 goals and 95 points.

I wonder if the Bruins (and Oilers) would like a mulligan.

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#66 Oilcruzer
November 14 2013, 09:59PM
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#67 Oilcruzer
November 14 2013, 09:59PM
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I was AT the game on Wednesday. I'm going to see Bryz on Saturday in Abbotsford. Time for some points.

I was pi$$ed while watching the warm-up. If the Oil call me, I'll give a quick easy fix piece of advice, ANONYMOUSLY, and at no cost.

(I'm not holding my breath for the call though.)

On to other things:

- Those of you who called in on 1260 after 9 to complain how bad the D were on Wednesday...

THE OIL GAVE UP ONE GOAL! The D did not lose that game. Stop fishing to make yourselves sound smart.

- Those of you who say "DD was great and kept them in!"

No, sorry, Dallas shooting wasn't that great. DD was neither what kept them in nor did he potentially cost the game. He was average. Then again, the opposition's keeper was the best goaltending the Oiler saw this year.

- Those who didn't notice why the PP sucks.

The PP SUCKS because they take their position and DON'T MOVE.

My grandmother could cover the Oil on the PK. She died 25 years ago. She could still run interference on the lane that DOESN'T CHANGE between players.

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That said, this was NO WHERE NEAR the same team that sucked the hind teat on an old sow against Detroit. It's improving. It has no hope of making this year's playoffs.

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#68 Oilcruzer
November 14 2013, 10:07PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh look kids....

Tyler Seguin with 4G 1A tonight.

On pace for 56 goals and 95 points.

I wonder if the Bruins (and Oilers) would like a mulligan.

Boston couldn't afford the nightly bar tab and chaperon costs.

Oil don't need that headache.

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#69 Oilcruzer
November 14 2013, 10:10PM
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*tired of how buggy this site has become*

- iPad crashes all the time on this site.

- PC (an advanced system) also hangs but only while on this site.

Too many advertisements maybe?

I'll check in in 3 weeks to see if it's sorted out. If not... well then no one cares and my decision is made for me.

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#70 Zarny
November 14 2013, 10:13PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh look kids....

Tyler Seguin with 4G 1A tonight.

On pace for 56 goals and 95 points.

I wonder if the Bruins (and Oilers) would like a mulligan.

Considering the Bruins had to put a bodyguard outside Seguins' room in the playoffs to prevent him from going out partying not likely.

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#71 DSF
November 14 2013, 10:41PM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Boston couldn't afford the nightly bar tab and chaperon costs.

Oil don't need that headache.

They already have that headache....and then some.

They just don't score as much.

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#72 Bloodsweatandoil
November 14 2013, 10:56PM
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First I would like to apologise to Brian for trashing the spirit and insight of his blog with my comments, but this is kind of in the spirit.

In the early nineties watching the Oilers at Northlands, I was at the first game where the Oilers had just re-acquired/re-signed Glen Anderson back.

Those years were pretty lean also, but anyways, my seats were two rows behind the Oiler bench, against the rail, my section was full, but the rest of the sections were as full as WHL attendance, sporadic, every game.

In that first game back for Glen Anderson, If I remember, he scored a couple or had equal points (can't remember), but I do remember my excitement, holy crap he is back, awesome wheels!!! He shot a puck and it deflected over the net to the left of us, over the glass, and nobody was sitting there to grab the puck, nobody sitting higher or nearer to where the puck landed in the seats moved to get it. I, full of 80's Oilers nostalgia, made my way out of my section, took me 5 minutes, but I got the puck.

Now that I think about it, these current times are the same as then when I had season tickets in the nineties, except now, Rexall is always sold out.

Back then I got to see the emergence via trades or drafted: Ryan Smyth, Doug Weight, Denis Bonvie (lol) Joaquin Gage, Mike Grier, Sean Brown, Tom Poti, German Titov (lol),Anson Carter=one of my favorites, many turned out to be stars, most were flashes. All coached partially by Ted Green, Glen Sather,George Burnett and Ron Low.

Anyways, back then I think it took until 2003 to finally build a solid core. A lot of the 2003 roster is the same which went to the 2006 final with a few important additions.

I am like all of you, I had hoped it does not take that long again, I guess I have been too serious lately. But, looking back on the 90's, it was comical, brutal, and almost reminiscent as now, except now the fans are still coming out full force.

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#73 Icedt
November 14 2013, 11:04PM
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@Space Dad

Nuge learned defence from sutter during his time with rebels.

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#74 Cynic
November 14 2013, 11:15PM
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Seguin is the new Pierre Larouche. He will get traded again and again. All the while putting up big numbers. What message would it have sent to the rest of the Bruins if they'd kept Seguin after last spring's complete lack of playoff focus? Hockey is a team game.

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#75 Harry
November 14 2013, 11:15PM
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John wrote:

I am a lifer as a Oilers fan and sat in the stands when Messier did not spend 20 seconds a game on the defensive side of the red line and Paul Coffey was minus 5 every night and that was if he scored twice and Wayne Gretzky couldn't spell "Back check" but we where patient fans as they learned the game and where eventually rewarded as we saw them win 5 cups in that old barn. Did Sather make mistakes you bet he did as he tried to find the right supporting group for his stars . But he and the fans stuck with it and we where rewarded.

Now as this group of very talented kids struggles to learn the game just as the boys on the bus did the new core of Oiler fans seems to all be from the "instant gratification " group who think patience is calculated in days .

I have a theory for discussion . Over the last 5 or 6 years the population of Alberta has exploded with 100 of thousands of people moving here from Ontario and Quebec were being a hockey fan is a "Blood Sport" and running players and coaches out of town is what you do if you have been a Leafs fan. My Question how many of the people calling for scalps on these blogs are really Oiler fans and how many are closet Leaf or Habs fans who have imported their ways from the East. Maybe we should make it a rule that any one commenting on the Oilers should first state how long they have lived here and were did they come from and are they Really a Oiler fan .

Kevin? Kevin buddy is that you? Put down the snifter of brandy and the cigar and just go to bed. Tomorrow is in fact payday. Sleep tight...

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#76 Boourns99
November 14 2013, 11:17PM
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DSF wrote:

They already have that headache....and then some.

They just don't score as much.

DSF, Do you seriously have nothing better to do? I don't understand how trolling this site can be enjoyable AT ALL, especially at a time like this.

And your suggestion is ridiculous. Look at the body of work. Taylor hall was the right choice.

Now go do something meaningful. And let us Oiler fans wallow. Kicking while we're down is just petty and mean. For shame.

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#77 DSF
November 14 2013, 11:18PM
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Cynic wrote:

Seguin is the new Pierre Larouche. He will get traded again and again. All the while putting up big numbers. What message would it have sent to the rest of the Bruins if they'd kept Seguin after last spring's complete lack of playoff focus? Hockey is a team game.

Nonsense.

He's going to be a top 5 centre in the NHL for a decade.

His skill level is off the charts and, as he gains maturity, watch out.

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#78 DSF
November 14 2013, 11:19PM
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Boourns99 wrote:

DSF, Do you seriously have nothing better to do? I don't understand how trolling this site can be enjoyable AT ALL, especially at a time like this.

And your suggestion is ridiculous. Look at the body of work. Taylor hall was the right choice.

Now go do something meaningful. And let us Oiler fans wallow. Kicking while we're down is just petty and mean. For shame.

Get your head out of your ass.

Hall has just as many warts as Seguin.

Tyler is about to blow him away.

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#79 Kypreos
November 14 2013, 11:25PM
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How long will Yakipov put up with the Edmonton oilers before he bolts back to the KHL where he can play all he wants in front of his home country and make more money?

Unload his sorry attitude while he still has value...

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#80 Zarny
November 14 2013, 11:35PM
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Come on. No one actually thinks the assistant coaches are the problem do they?

That's ridiculous.

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#81 Hauk15
November 14 2013, 11:46PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh look kids....

Tyler Seguin with 4G 1A tonight.

On pace for 56 goals and 95 points.

I wonder if the Bruins (and Oilers) would like a mulligan.

Good for him, Hall is a better player still. Hall has more points, less games, and he plays for EDM. Seguin has played on good teams, if he was so much better than Hall than he should have a lot more points. On another note, nothing makes me happier than seeing calgary get stomped. 7-3 final.

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#82 wiseguy
November 14 2013, 11:47PM
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@Space Dad

"Krueger was a motivator and a psychologist, not a teacher and a strategist"

He seemed to know strategy and defense when he coached a no name, no talent Swiss squad to play defense and compete against other more talented teams.

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#83 Wanye
November 15 2013, 12:15AM
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DSF wrote:

"Instant gratification" is a ridiculous notion in this context.

The Oilers are about to miss the playoffs for the 8th consecutive season after having drafted in the top 10 6 times in the past 7 years....including 3 first overall picks.

Any objective observer would proclaim this a failed rebuild especially when you consider the team has gone through 3 General Managers and 5 head coaches during that same period.

The platitudes we heard from MacT today merely reinforce what many Oiler fans have increasingly suspected in that the management of the team is not qualified to get the team back to the playoffs any time soon.

(BTW, I've been an Oilers fan since the first WHA season and was a long time season ticket holder until Kevin Lowe drove me away.)

HOLY COW DSF FOR THE EPIC WIN

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#84 Wanye
November 15 2013, 12:21AM
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DSF wrote:

They already have that headache....and then some.

They just don't score as much.

LOL EASY THERE HOMIE WE HAVE A LOT MORE NETWORK TRAFFIC AND ITS SLOWIN THINGS DOWN. WE ARE WORKIN ON IT

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#85 Dave
November 15 2013, 12:24AM
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Will the Oilers win another game in 2013?

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#86 Nimrod
November 15 2013, 01:08AM
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There is indeed nothing strange about assistant coaches surviving a head coach.

It is very strange when they survive the firing of four different head coaches like Buchberger has. Are they tenured? Smith is only on his third.

They are as untouchable as Lowe is. Oilers are stuck in mediocrity because it's not a team that believes in meritocracy.

Since Lowe took over as GM in 2000, they have made the playoffs three times out of twelve (6th, 8th and 8th in the West). The average finish over that period is 21st in the league. The stench of failure is all over these guys.

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#87 @Oilanderp
November 15 2013, 01:26AM
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You know, i'd bet putting a puck in the net at the one end once in a while and stopping it at the other end would go a long way to solving this assistant coaching problem we're having.

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#88 Walter Sobchak
November 15 2013, 06:18AM
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Space Dad wrote:

"It must be considered that there is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things.”

Imposing a new order on chaos... essentially, this was the task given to Eakins at the beginning of this year. I think we are only just beginning to see what an incredibly chaotic state the Oilers were in before he arrived.

What, if anything, did Ralph Krueger do to address actually teaching these players anything about the strong, defensively-sound mindset required for winning? Why is it so frustratingly difficult for these players to adopt the defensively attentive attitude they need to in order to turn things around?

Krueger was a motivator and a psychologist, not a teacher and a strategist. Unfortunately, such a coaching style is, in the long-term especially, doomed to fail. It has not curbed the chaos of this young team - it has fostered it. A player cannot be externally motivated to commit to defense. This motivation has to be intrinsic! Currently, almost every Oiler "young gun" is intrinsically motivated only to score and display offensive flair.

Why is Nuge different from the other Fab Five? Why is he so obviously better at defense? Because he focused on this area of the game as being extremely important. No one did that for him - he made defense a personal priority.

It's time for the other players to follow suit, and Eakins is the only coach since MacT to be standing firm in requiring them to learn this lesson. In order for the team to be sustainably successful, they all need to learn:

1) you can't cheat for offense, and 2) you must sacrifice for defense

Not an easy lesson, but a necessary one. The pain of learning it is what the players (and the fans) are going through so far this season. Eakins fault? No. Someone needs to teach these players this lesson. I would think that MacT knows this, and that, accordingly, we have the reason for why he "couldn't be happier with the coaching." Clearing the rubble away is difficult and painful - a stubborn, principled coach like Eakins is the man for the job.

Ya, Krueger knew sh!p about defense!

He never took a bunch of cast off kids, motivated them to play a sound defensive structure and beat teams twice as good as his own and arguable the best team in the world................

I wonder who Mike Babcock personally asked to scout for that same world team.

Just walk away dude you know SFA

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#89 gcw_rocks
November 15 2013, 06:27AM
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Bucky and Smith have contributed to the worst record in hockey over the last seven years. In any other business if you were a manager in a group that performed that badly for that long you would get fired. Even if you aren't the problem, after that long it would also be clear you aren't the solution. They should have been fired long ago.

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#90 Seriously
November 15 2013, 06:38AM
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@madjam

Ha HAAAAAA ha wishful thinking!!!

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#91 Woogie63
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Sort of interesting blog

I am still not sure what the role for each coach is.

We have four AC in the bench, what is the role of each coach? Do we have a coach in the pressbox communicating with the bench.

Is there a role of technology on this team. Could ipads be used during the game to show the players there last shift, the last forecheck the other team deployed ect?

It seems standing behind the player saying "ata boy,", "come on boys we have to be committed to defense" is kinda 1950' s.

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#92 Oiler Al
November 15 2013, 07:45AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

There is no Gretzky, there is no Messier and there is no Coffee on this team....and there never will be. Those comparisons, and I have been guilty of making those comparisons myself, are false.

Time to not only get rid of their pictures in the room, but also the bull crap predictions that these kids will evolve into the aforementioned generational legends. Never gonna happen, acknowledge the fact and move on.

It's a new day, so to speak.

Good point AKA, tell that to King Six Rings.. he is the only guy riding the good old glory train from the 80's. Nothing wrong with recognizing the past, but man you cant keep trying to relive it,Move on! And oh, ya King.. move out..

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#93 Loweblows
November 15 2013, 07:46AM
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Dave wrote:

Will the Oilers win another game in 2013?

I think you meant will they score another goal didn't you?

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#94 120 stitches
November 15 2013, 07:52AM
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I agree the 2 assistant coaches have become too much of a lightning rod for this whole mess. The real problem is the owner who appears to place more value in being able to consort with Kevin Lowe and other Oilers from that era than ensuring his hockey team is properly managed. Any other competent owner of a professional sports franchise would have removed by now this management team due to their track record and consistent bad decisions. The scary scenario now is he is going to leave these very desperate men in power to deal with the current crisis. We are now told that they will deal our 1st round draft choice next year for a "stud" defenseman. These guys are on the virge of making another enormous mistake. Our 1st round pick next year has considerable worth and the only defencemen that would be worth such a pick are not available-- Doughty, Weber, Pietroangelo. We are going to get a 2nd tiered defenseman for that pick and we will rue the day that this occurred as we could have used that pick to take a defenseman like Ekblad who could develop into one of these top tier defenseman. Ask Nashville whether they would have traded their top pick last year for Christian Ehrhoff or Brian Campbell. The owner has to realize that the Oilers are not like owning private companies where there has not been a lot of scrutiny as to how vast sums of money were made by selling overpriced generic drugs. Even though the Oilers are privately owned there is a huge public trust component to owning a sports team such as this which brings public accountability. Sadly this owner seems incapable of dealing with this situation and so we the public will just have to continue to watch this franchise being run into the ground by men who are under enormous pressure to do something immediately to right the ship which is the recipe for another enormous mistake.

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#95 Oiler Al
November 15 2013, 07:53AM
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DSF wrote:

Oh look kids....

Tyler Seguin with 4G 1A tonight.

On pace for 56 goals and 95 points.

I wonder if the Bruins (and Oilers) would like a mulligan.

Almost as good as Gagner's 8 point night.

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#96 Oiler Al
November 15 2013, 07:56AM
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Zarny wrote:

Come on. No one actually thinks the assistant coaches are the problem do they?

That's ridiculous.

Well, they certainly are not the solution either.

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#97 YFC Prez
November 15 2013, 07:58AM
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DSF wrote:

Get your head out of your ass.

Hall has just as many warts as Seguin.

Tyler is about to blow him away.

You still put Seguin ahead of Hall ? That's just plain whacky , Hall over Seguin has to be one of the few clear cut wins for this oilers mgmt group.

Seguin is playing really good hockey right now and Hall is slumping with the rest of the team but Hall is the better player, I don't see how this is even debatable anymore.

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#98 Rob...
November 15 2013, 08:12AM
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Hauk15 wrote:

Good for him, Hall is a better player still. Hall has more points, less games, and he plays for EDM. Seguin has played on good teams, if he was so much better than Hall than he should have a lot more points. On another note, nothing makes me happier than seeing calgary get stomped. 7-3 final.

Two other things to add:

-Oh look, Taylor Hall scored the fastest two goals in Oilers History. I wonder if the Bruins would like a mulligan to try and trade for the #1 pick. -What about all the Oiler haters talking about how Yakupov shouldn't be in rookie of the year contention because he scored most of his goals in a cluster, including a 3 point night? I'm pretty sure you were one of those using that line of reasoning, DSF.

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#99 120 stitches
November 15 2013, 08:15AM
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Part II-- the owner should get somebody in charge of this team who has earned the position of General Manager by apprenticing as an assistant GM for an extended time with a successful organization. There are several individuals that are available who have proven track records of participating in excellent drafting and making wise personnel decisions over many years. Although he no longer is available, Jim Nill is an example of the type of individual the Oilers should recruit to take charge not ex Oilers who have no track records. Some names come to mind - Paul Fenton, Lawrence Gilman, the assistant GM in Phoenix(cannot remember his name) and I will even give you one ex Oiler if you have to have that- Norm McIvor -- but he has a successful track record in a winning organization. If someone like this came in they could take a measured approach rather be under enormous pressure to make a mistake. Why doesn't Katz realize that he could come out of this as a winner by immediately dismissing the current management and replacing them with outsiders who have a successful and proven history of running NHL hockey teams?

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#100 loweblows
November 15 2013, 08:51AM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

Bucky and Smith have contributed to the worst record in hockey over the last seven years. In any other business if you were a manager in a group that performed that badly for that long you would get fired. Even if you aren't the problem, after that long it would also be clear you aren't the solution. They should have been fired long ago.

I think some writers become emotionally attached to people within the Oiler organizations and as a result they unwittingly?unwillingly? become apologists for management. I agree with his statement that assistant coaches are there for off ice issues but the fact is that the issues are on the ice! We, unknowing Tier 4 fans(live in Calgary) can consistently see two Oiler D men behind the net. Wouldn't that be the role of say Steve Smith to teach even the basic fundamentals that we learned in friggin pee wee!

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