BLAME GAME

Brian Sutherby
November 14 2013 05:27PM

With each passing day, frustrated fans continue to find new or old reasons as to why this team is where it is. Everyone is searching for answers, with many targeting the “old boys club” that has become the Edmonton Oilers. I don’t know if this is new but many want to focus on the assistant coaches today and blame them for this team’s demise.

I’m not going to sit here and defend the constant re hiring of former Oilers because if it works its great and if it doesn’t then it’s a failure and normally fixed. It’s tough to let go of good people and players that have been great to an organization.

I believe like many of you, more changes on ice and potentially off the ice are likely needed, but I do find it strange the focus is now being directed at assistant coaches Kelly Buchberger and Steve Smith.

HIS PICK

It’s easy to assume Eakins truly didn’t have a choice in picking his assistant coaches but maybe Eakins did decide he wanted to keep Buchberger and Smith? Maybe the players in the room were a vote of confidence for those two and Eakins understood that? That I cannot factually answer and everyone can form their own opinion.

He did however; bring over his buddy Keith Acton from Toronto, so he has someone he is familiar with on his staff. It’s very common for coaches to bring “their” guys to each new job but it is actually not uncommon for teams to retain an assistant coach when a head coach has been relieved of his duties.

HAPPENS ALL THE TIME

I’ve seen it on two of the three teams I played on in the NHL. When Glen Hanlon was fired in Washington and Bruce Boudreau was hired, Dean Evason (my favorite assistant coach of all time) was retained and Bruce kept him for his entire tenure in Washington. Dean had a great relationship with the guys and was very respected by everyone.

In Dallas Stu Barnes survived the Dave Tippett firing and worked under Mark Crawford for his 2 years in Dallas. Not to mention they were both former players for those respective organizations. It’s not just in Edmonton.

Regardless of all that, I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding of what exactly an assistant coach brings to the table. With all due respect to the great assistant coaches around the league, assistant coaches provide value but not near enough to blame them for day to day decisions.

COMMUNICATION

I was always very tight with my assistant coaches. I have played for some fantastic ones. This was because they were tremendous guys. When times are tough and you have a question about how to handle a certain situation, you could go to them. Assistant coaches could get a message to the coach or from a coach to you about what he is thinking or why certain decisions are being made.

The reason former players are often hired to be assistants is because they have played the game, they understand the ups and downs throughout the year and how players want to be treated. Great assistant coaches in my opinion provide a pipeline to the coach, and they provide tips and good stories or techniques of how they would handle certain situations. They watch game tape and do extra work with you on things that need it. Many head coaches don’t want to deal with the day to day of player mentalities or headaches; this is the greatest asset an assistant coach provides.

FINAL SAY

Assistants have certain assignments and often run the power play or penalty kill meetings but many are mistaken if the thought is assistant coaches are calling the final shots on the systems you see. Some assistants are more active than others and handle more of a load but at the end of it all the head coach is taking their advice and providing the players with his message. It’s him who will ultimately land on the sword if things fail.

Be mad all you want at Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini who re-built this team. Be mad at the fact the players themselves haven’t produced winning results since Gregor debated a comb over, but I don’t think for a second if they had two different assistant coaches this team would be dramatically better. I think we’re reaching now.

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#51 JJ
November 14 2013, 07:36PM
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Regarding D. Eakins.

We could have had John Tortorella here, he was out there and available, now he's in Vancouver and they're doing well. We could have had a hardass that's a guy who would have said Jordan Eberle, you're gonna sit for 7 games bitch. Or Gagner, buh-bye mother-******, go sit in the dressing room for the rest of the season asswipe. But no, you get guys like Eakins who doesn't do ****.

And I'm getting way off track with my point here but I'm on a rant because I'm pissed, because nobody listens, nobody gets it. All you ever hear from people is 'Go Oilers Go'. Go where? Go ****ing where? They can't skate, they can't hit, as in there's no reaction from the club. You're down 4-1, 5-1, whatever, you gotta get the guys going, take a timeout and tell em to just start steamrolling guys. That's how you get back into it, you get the fans going. But Dallas Eakins never does that, he never does anything different. It's like "Oh well, it's over". As a fan, why are you still sitting there. Get the **** out of Rexall, or start booing the ****ing organization. You're just gonna get ****ed and you don't get it.

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#52 Oilcruzer
November 14 2013, 09:59PM
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I was AT the game on Wednesday. I'm going to see Bryz on Saturday in Abbotsford. Time for some points.

I was pi$$ed while watching the warm-up. If the Oil call me, I'll give a quick easy fix piece of advice, ANONYMOUSLY, and at no cost.

(I'm not holding my breath for the call though.)

On to other things:

- Those of you who called in on 1260 after 9 to complain how bad the D were on Wednesday...

THE OIL GAVE UP ONE GOAL! The D did not lose that game. Stop fishing to make yourselves sound smart.

- Those of you who say "DD was great and kept them in!"

No, sorry, Dallas shooting wasn't that great. DD was neither what kept them in nor did he potentially cost the game. He was average. Then again, the opposition's keeper was the best goaltending the Oiler saw this year.

- Those who didn't notice why the PP sucks.

The PP SUCKS because they take their position and DON'T MOVE.

My grandmother could cover the Oil on the PK. She died 25 years ago. She could still run interference on the lane that DOESN'T CHANGE between players.

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That said, this was NO WHERE NEAR the same team that sucked the hind teat on an old sow against Detroit. It's improving. It has no hope of making this year's playoffs.

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#53 gcw_rocks
November 15 2013, 06:27AM
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Bucky and Smith have contributed to the worst record in hockey over the last seven years. In any other business if you were a manager in a group that performed that badly for that long you would get fired. Even if you aren't the problem, after that long it would also be clear you aren't the solution. They should have been fired long ago.

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#54 Drake
November 14 2013, 06:32PM
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Most surprising thing Mac said today was they were making Junior Hockey mistakes. That sounds to me that Eakins is no so safe.

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#55 YFC Prez
November 14 2013, 07:19PM
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I don't blame the assistants. I blame the guy who put them there and is likely responsible for them still being behind the bench. Mr Lowe. Players have a hard time adapting to different coaches, well the same seems very likely for the current set of assistant coaches. They are constantly learning new systems and trying to help teach new systems with each coaching change. How can they teach and implement systems they themselves are just getting accustomed too. Eakins should have hired his own assistants outside of the current group. And whether it was Eakins choice or not doesn't matter. The buck stops on Lowe. Yet another failure on his watch.

Oilers brass always goes after the best player available by the majority consensus for every one of their top picks. Why can't Lowe hire his personnel on these same premises. None of Eakins Kruger or Renney were the best talent available for head coaches when they were hired. Same goes for Mac T and Tambellini. I do actually have faith in Mac t and Eakins learning and excelling in their roles. But to combine a rookie GM , rookie coach, and young rebuilding team at an incredibly fickle and important time in the rebuild is a recipe for disaster. Once again the buck stops at Lowe.

Time for change.

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#56 DOMINATOR
November 14 2013, 07:23PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I think that management rushed these young players into the NHL at the cost of development.

I for one would have never let any of the "young players", except maybe RNH into the NHL without learning the professional game in the AHL. The emphasis of our AHL team should be playing as much as possible and really concentrating on the defensive side of the game.

Call it the Detroit model, but if the OIlers management were selling this concept, the rabid fan base would understand this and hold their criticsm in check.

In stead we will be wandering in the desert for quite some time, while this continuous rebuild goes on.

This is. 100% correct. It's draft AND develop

Any idiot can draft top picks. But developing them slowly and building a team around them is the art. The oil brass are full if hope and delusion but I think they are out of their depth running an NHL organization. It's a clown show.

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#57 DSF
November 14 2013, 08:01PM
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JJ wrote:

Yup.. I think that'll be the difference between Calgary and Edmonton the next couple of years. It was wise of them to retain guys like Stempniak and Giordano and Glencross while adding quality veteran presence in guys like Smid.

Calgary is going to be interesting to watch.

You have to remember they had 3 first round draft picks last season and all of them are doing pretty well.

With all the cap space they have, they could turn things around pretty quickly.

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#58 dow7500
November 14 2013, 08:33PM
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I liked Mact as a player, I liked him as a coach, I like him as a GM....so far. The calls to fire him are rantings of frustration. The seasons shot, judge him over the rest of the season. Cleaning house has been done several times with the same results. Eakins didn't puke the puck up like a bantam, the players did, and consistently do. Lets put this where it should be, the players.

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#59 DSF
November 14 2013, 11:18PM
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Cynic wrote:

Seguin is the new Pierre Larouche. He will get traded again and again. All the while putting up big numbers. What message would it have sent to the rest of the Bruins if they'd kept Seguin after last spring's complete lack of playoff focus? Hockey is a team game.

Nonsense.

He's going to be a top 5 centre in the NHL for a decade.

His skill level is off the charts and, as he gains maturity, watch out.

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#60 DSF
November 14 2013, 11:19PM
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Boourns99 wrote:

DSF, Do you seriously have nothing better to do? I don't understand how trolling this site can be enjoyable AT ALL, especially at a time like this.

And your suggestion is ridiculous. Look at the body of work. Taylor hall was the right choice.

Now go do something meaningful. And let us Oiler fans wallow. Kicking while we're down is just petty and mean. For shame.

Get your head out of your ass.

Hall has just as many warts as Seguin.

Tyler is about to blow him away.

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#61 Zarny
November 14 2013, 11:35PM
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Come on. No one actually thinks the assistant coaches are the problem do they?

That's ridiculous.

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#62 Oiler Al
November 15 2013, 07:56AM
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Zarny wrote:

Come on. No one actually thinks the assistant coaches are the problem do they?

That's ridiculous.

Well, they certainly are not the solution either.

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#63 YFC Prez
November 15 2013, 07:58AM
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DSF wrote:

Get your head out of your ass.

Hall has just as many warts as Seguin.

Tyler is about to blow him away.

You still put Seguin ahead of Hall ? That's just plain whacky , Hall over Seguin has to be one of the few clear cut wins for this oilers mgmt group.

Seguin is playing really good hockey right now and Hall is slumping with the rest of the team but Hall is the better player, I don't see how this is even debatable anymore.

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#64 china town man
November 15 2013, 09:18AM
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I Blame the oilers for ruining My morning!!! I wake up happy ready To start off my day, tune in to My radio station to have it all go To poops when they talk about The oilers. It is easy to just Turn off the radio !!! The problem is I bleed COOPER AND BLUE !!!

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#65 DonDon
November 14 2013, 05:33PM
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Brian. What do you make of MacT's latest comments as recorded on TSN?

Surprisingly, ON has been quiet on this episode in the life of the Oil.

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#66 Harlie
November 14 2013, 07:49PM
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Strictly speaking from a business/ management perspective, I heard too much "I" and not enough "we or us" from MacTEMBA.

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#67 YFC Prez
November 14 2013, 08:02PM
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@JJ

Could have had Torts?

man during the oilers several coaching changes we could have had: Ruff, Jacques Martin, Guy Boucher, Brent Sutter, Paul Maurice, Carlyle, Michel Therrien, Bruce Boudreau, Bob Hartley, Ken Hitchcock..... the list goes on and on and on

the first and last name on that list still really hurts....stubborn oiler bosses

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#68 madjam
November 14 2013, 08:49PM
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Smid leads Flames into another loss tonite as Flames getting mauled 5-1 after two periods by Dallas . Will Oilers take Saturdays game just as easily ? Book it !

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#69 Jay
November 14 2013, 09:08PM
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so basically brian is saying that assistant coaches cant get blamed because they cant have a large enough impact, so if its not working and they cant have a large impact it should be easy to try something new

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#70 StHenriOilBomb
November 14 2013, 09:10PM
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@Space Dad

Bravo. Well said.

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#71 Bloodsweatandoil
November 14 2013, 10:56PM
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First I would like to apologise to Brian for trashing the spirit and insight of his blog with my comments, but this is kind of in the spirit.

In the early nineties watching the Oilers at Northlands, I was at the first game where the Oilers had just re-acquired/re-signed Glen Anderson back.

Those years were pretty lean also, but anyways, my seats were two rows behind the Oiler bench, against the rail, my section was full, but the rest of the sections were as full as WHL attendance, sporadic, every game.

In that first game back for Glen Anderson, If I remember, he scored a couple or had equal points (can't remember), but I do remember my excitement, holy crap he is back, awesome wheels!!! He shot a puck and it deflected over the net to the left of us, over the glass, and nobody was sitting there to grab the puck, nobody sitting higher or nearer to where the puck landed in the seats moved to get it. I, full of 80's Oilers nostalgia, made my way out of my section, took me 5 minutes, but I got the puck.

Now that I think about it, these current times are the same as then when I had season tickets in the nineties, except now, Rexall is always sold out.

Back then I got to see the emergence via trades or drafted: Ryan Smyth, Doug Weight, Denis Bonvie (lol) Joaquin Gage, Mike Grier, Sean Brown, Tom Poti, German Titov (lol),Anson Carter=one of my favorites, many turned out to be stars, most were flashes. All coached partially by Ted Green, Glen Sather,George Burnett and Ron Low.

Anyways, back then I think it took until 2003 to finally build a solid core. A lot of the 2003 roster is the same which went to the 2006 final with a few important additions.

I am like all of you, I had hoped it does not take that long again, I guess I have been too serious lately. But, looking back on the 90's, it was comical, brutal, and almost reminiscent as now, except now the fans are still coming out full force.

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#72 Nimrod
November 15 2013, 01:08AM
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There is indeed nothing strange about assistant coaches surviving a head coach.

It is very strange when they survive the firing of four different head coaches like Buchberger has. Are they tenured? Smith is only on his third.

They are as untouchable as Lowe is. Oilers are stuck in mediocrity because it's not a team that believes in meritocracy.

Since Lowe took over as GM in 2000, they have made the playoffs three times out of twelve (6th, 8th and 8th in the West). The average finish over that period is 21st in the league. The stench of failure is all over these guys.

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#73 loweblows
November 15 2013, 08:51AM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

Bucky and Smith have contributed to the worst record in hockey over the last seven years. In any other business if you were a manager in a group that performed that badly for that long you would get fired. Even if you aren't the problem, after that long it would also be clear you aren't the solution. They should have been fired long ago.

I think some writers become emotionally attached to people within the Oiler organizations and as a result they unwittingly?unwillingly? become apologists for management. I agree with his statement that assistant coaches are there for off ice issues but the fact is that the issues are on the ice! We, unknowing Tier 4 fans(live in Calgary) can consistently see two Oiler D men behind the net. Wouldn't that be the role of say Steve Smith to teach even the basic fundamentals that we learned in friggin pee wee!

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#74 camdog
November 15 2013, 09:23AM
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Suds, the call for the firing of Bucky and Smith is a call to fire Kevin Lowe and nothing more. After all it shows Mr. Lowe's continued influence on day to day operations while at the same time saying that he had no control over day to day operations. In my business we would call Bucky and Smith spies as they have direct ties to the President and everything that occurs in the dressing room, goes directly back to Lowe. It's really tough to do your job (coach), when you know your assistants have such a clear pathway to the President.

It appears as though the number one prerequisite to getting a job within the organization is not quality of the resume, but rather loyalty to Kevin Lowe. This is the problem Oiler fans are having right now with the way the organisation is being run. It has nothing specific to deal with Buck or Smith, but what they represent within the organisation.

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#75 camdog
November 15 2013, 09:49AM
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@Six Rings

If Jamie Benn stays healthy, there is a good chance that Seguin gets 80+ points this season with the possibility of an Olympic berth. As far as I am concerned Benn is going to be a superstar, Seguin right now has the abilities to be the "sidekicks" to one of the greatest one two punches in the league "this season". lol

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#76 pkam
November 15 2013, 09:53AM
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Six Rings wrote:

I was reading the comments and thinking... "Wow, DSF will all these valid points."

Then I come across this...

Players have ups and downs all season. He gets 5 points against the Flames and you cherry pick stats.

'X' player has 15 points in their first 10 games and are on pace for 123 points in a season, doesn't mean they will...

Crosby: First 10: 18 points in 10 games. On pace for 147 points. Current: 24 points in 18 games. On pace for 109 Points.

One streak of 6 points in his last 8 games changes his 'on pace' statistic by almost 40 points.

Seguin: Today : 22 points in 19 GP. On pace for 95pts. Before Flames: 17 points in 18 GP. On pace for 77pts.

C'mon man.

When did DSF not cherry pick stats to irritate Oilers fans?

Let me use an example to show how meaningful his comment is. Fedun is 2 pts and +1 after 2 games, so he is on pace to 82 pts and +41 after 82 games as a rookie defenseman. And base on this, he is better than Bobby Orr.

That is why I have stop reading his comment anymore. It is a total waste of time.

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#77 K_Mart
November 14 2013, 06:13PM
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Oilers? Who are they?

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#78 book¡e
November 14 2013, 07:53PM
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DSF wrote:

Ray Ferraro, who did colour on last night's broadcast, absolutely ripped the team today.

Out here on the west coast, the Oilers have become the butt of almost every joke on talk radio...including their NHL guests.

I wonder if MacT got a glowing review when he met with Igor Larionov today? 😳

Oh, sorry, did you think anyone in Edmonton cares what the west coast thinks?

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#79 Oilcruzer
November 14 2013, 10:10PM
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*tired of how buggy this site has become*

- iPad crashes all the time on this site.

- PC (an advanced system) also hangs but only while on this site.

Too many advertisements maybe?

I'll check in in 3 weeks to see if it's sorted out. If not... well then no one cares and my decision is made for me.

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#80 DSF
November 14 2013, 10:41PM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Boston couldn't afford the nightly bar tab and chaperon costs.

Oil don't need that headache.

They already have that headache....and then some.

They just don't score as much.

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#81 GriffCity
November 15 2013, 09:24AM
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Oil are so bad right now, confidence at an all-time low. Watch the Sharks come in tonight and just titty pump these little guys. Im guessing 4-1 sharks final with EDM not scoring until the third period once the game is out of reach. Expect some boo birds in the stands. Dubnyk will play his best but defense will let him down. Oilers will have chances to score but wont. More of the same

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#82 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
November 14 2013, 06:04PM
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Brian, what is your take on all of this? What is the biggest problem? Management, players, coaching, luck? black Magic maybe?

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#83 DOMINATOR
November 14 2013, 07:23PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I think that management rushed these young players into the NHL at the cost of development.

I for one would have never let any of the "young players", except maybe RNH into the NHL without learning the professional game in the AHL. The emphasis of our AHL team should be playing as much as possible and really concentrating on the defensive side of the game.

Call it the Detroit model, but if the OIlers management were selling this concept, the rabid fan base would understand this and hold their criticsm in check.

In stead we will be wandering in the desert for quite some time, while this continuous rebuild goes on.

This is. 100% correct. It's draft AND develop

Any idiot can draft top picks. But developing them slowly and building a team around them is the art. The oil brass are full if hope and delusion but I think they are out of their depth running an NHL organization. It's a clown show.

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#84 Harry
November 14 2013, 11:15PM
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John wrote:

I am a lifer as a Oilers fan and sat in the stands when Messier did not spend 20 seconds a game on the defensive side of the red line and Paul Coffey was minus 5 every night and that was if he scored twice and Wayne Gretzky couldn't spell "Back check" but we where patient fans as they learned the game and where eventually rewarded as we saw them win 5 cups in that old barn. Did Sather make mistakes you bet he did as he tried to find the right supporting group for his stars . But he and the fans stuck with it and we where rewarded.

Now as this group of very talented kids struggles to learn the game just as the boys on the bus did the new core of Oiler fans seems to all be from the "instant gratification " group who think patience is calculated in days .

I have a theory for discussion . Over the last 5 or 6 years the population of Alberta has exploded with 100 of thousands of people moving here from Ontario and Quebec were being a hockey fan is a "Blood Sport" and running players and coaches out of town is what you do if you have been a Leafs fan. My Question how many of the people calling for scalps on these blogs are really Oiler fans and how many are closet Leaf or Habs fans who have imported their ways from the East. Maybe we should make it a rule that any one commenting on the Oilers should first state how long they have lived here and were did they come from and are they Really a Oiler fan .

Kevin? Kevin buddy is that you? Put down the snifter of brandy and the cigar and just go to bed. Tomorrow is in fact payday. Sleep tight...

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#85 Dave
November 15 2013, 12:24AM
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Will the Oilers win another game in 2013?

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#86 Jay
November 15 2013, 09:51AM
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Six Rings wrote:

I was reading the comments and thinking... "Wow, DSF will all these valid points."

Then I come across this...

Players have ups and downs all season. He gets 5 points against the Flames and you cherry pick stats.

'X' player has 15 points in their first 10 games and are on pace for 123 points in a season, doesn't mean they will...

Crosby: First 10: 18 points in 10 games. On pace for 147 points. Current: 24 points in 18 games. On pace for 109 Points.

One streak of 6 points in his last 8 games changes his 'on pace' statistic by almost 40 points.

Seguin: Today : 22 points in 19 GP. On pace for 95pts. Before Flames: 17 points in 18 GP. On pace for 77pts.

C'mon man.

Nice picture on Oiler twitter site of Hall's birthday dinner? Looks like an Elementary kid's birthday dinner. What a cute collection of little people and softies (J. Schultz). McGrattan, Jackman, Breen (6'7" enforcer - Suds battled him last year in the AHL), and O'Brien must be laughing their heads off at the little sweeties coming into the Dome for the "battle" of Alberta tomorrow night! Nothing wrong with the core MacT???? Hockey is a man's game! GET SOME MEN ON THIS TEAM PLEASE!!! P.S. Why wasn't YAKUPOV invited to this birthday party?dinner???? Is he too TUFF for this group???? SIMMONDS, OTT, DUBINSKY, FOLIGNO, COBURN, etc. This is what you need MACT! NO more SMURFS!!!!

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#87 LOIL99
November 15 2013, 10:19AM
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This Taylor Tyler debate is hilarious. Seguin is a good player, but until he finishes in top 10 in league scoring like Hall has, he is 2nd best.

Im not saying Sequin wont be better than Hall at some point in their careers, but to date, not close. The fact that Boston shipped a #2 overall pick out of town before his 22nd bday because he partied too much during playoffs is all I need to know about the kid.

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#88 madjam
November 14 2013, 07:04PM
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Where's the old magic in those lord of the six rings ? Rusted/tarnished out I suppose ? Locked up in Katz's vault waiting till we are in new arena ? Maybe they are lost ? Maybe team moving to Mexico City ?

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#89 DOMINATOR
November 14 2013, 07:23PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I think that management rushed these young players into the NHL at the cost of development.

I for one would have never let any of the "young players", except maybe RNH into the NHL without learning the professional game in the AHL. The emphasis of our AHL team should be playing as much as possible and really concentrating on the defensive side of the game.

Call it the Detroit model, but if the OIlers management were selling this concept, the rabid fan base would understand this and hold their criticsm in check.

In stead we will be wandering in the desert for quite some time, while this continuous rebuild goes on.

This is. 100% correct. It's draft AND develop

Any idiot can draft top picks. But developing them slowly and building a team around them is the art. The oil brass are full if hope and delusion but I think they are out of their depth running an NHL organization. It's a clown show.

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#90 DOMINATOR
November 14 2013, 07:24PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I think that management rushed these young players into the NHL at the cost of development.

I for one would have never let any of the "young players", except maybe RNH into the NHL without learning the professional game in the AHL. The emphasis of our AHL team should be playing as much as possible and really concentrating on the defensive side of the game.

Call it the Detroit model, but if the OIlers management were selling this concept, the rabid fan base would understand this and hold their criticsm in check.

In stead we will be wandering in the desert for quite some time, while this continuous rebuild goes on.

This is. 100% correct. It's draft AND develop

Any idiot can draft top picks. But developing them slowly and building a team around them is the art. The oil brass are full if hope and delusion but I think they are out of their depth running an NHL organization. It's a clown show.

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#91 Smokey
November 14 2013, 07:32PM
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I think fans are blaming coaches and management and we may be cherry picking particular things we see. The firing of head coaches and retaining Bucky through now 4 head coaches and Smith through 2 is emblematic of the culture and philosophical downfalls of this regime. Its bad optics and sends the message that we have not hired the best candidates. The consensus is that Management has hired those they know rather then hiring the best available option. If Lowe and MacT are actually intent on hiring the best candidates or even retaining good hires, we would still have Huddy, Daum, Fleming.

This is the hiring model implemented by many organizations in hockey. Some times it works and sometimes it goes wrong. Good organizations hire guys who have dissenting opinions. Egomaniacal managers hire yes men, or people who share their opinion. The rest get shown the door. There is a flaw in the Oiler's management, because the quantifiable evidence is in the on ice product.

In regards to specifically this article, Last years when special teams were working relatively well it was the same guys running them for the most part. I assume Eakins is responsible for instituting the changes and subtle nuances to this system. Are you saying Bucky and Smith and Acton are merely implementing the approach and structure of the various systems? Who's to blame, Eakins, the assistants, or is mostly a personnel problem?

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#92 Rama Lama
November 14 2013, 08:49PM
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@D-Unit

Thanks for your comments........I do agree with what you are saying but I was talking more of our elite draft choices being signed and having to learn the game in the minor system.

I would re-develop the Barons to be more development focused, teaching the kids to play with men. I would not even dream of having kids like Darnel Nurse bypass the system.........make it mandatory.

I do not believe that Detroit develops any talent in Europe.........that's totally a different game. As the pundits have said only Sid made a smooth transition playing both ends of the ice.

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#93 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 14 2013, 09:04PM
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@JJ

@#40 JJ.......

Let's see if we can get JJ.'s props up to the same number as his blood pressure!......my blood pressure went up just reading it!

JJ you might want to think about giving "Hits From A Bong" a visit.....he's got some......ah......medicine.

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#94 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 14 2013, 09:12PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

There is no Gretzky, there is no Messier and there is no Coffee on this team....and there never will be. Those comparisons, and I have been guilty of making those comparisons myself, are false.

Time to not only get rid of their pictures in the room, but also the bull crap predictions that these kids will evolve into the aforementioned generational legends. Never gonna happen, acknowledge the fact and move on.

It's a new day, so to speak.

Jeeeez I'm old......it just hit me ....reading my own post......WHY they play(ed) that stupid Buzz killing Adelle song before the start of the games...It's A New Day.!!........fcuk I'm slow on the uptake.....

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#95 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 14 2013, 09:38PM
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madjam wrote:

Smid leads Flames into another loss tonite as Flames getting mauled 5-1 after two periods by Dallas . Will Oilers take Saturdays game just as easily ? Book it !

Smids a Pylon!......(now that he's a Flame)

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#96 Loweblows
November 15 2013, 07:46AM
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Dave wrote:

Will the Oilers win another game in 2013?

I think you meant will they score another goal didn't you?

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#97 120 stitches
November 15 2013, 07:52AM
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I agree the 2 assistant coaches have become too much of a lightning rod for this whole mess. The real problem is the owner who appears to place more value in being able to consort with Kevin Lowe and other Oilers from that era than ensuring his hockey team is properly managed. Any other competent owner of a professional sports franchise would have removed by now this management team due to their track record and consistent bad decisions. The scary scenario now is he is going to leave these very desperate men in power to deal with the current crisis. We are now told that they will deal our 1st round draft choice next year for a "stud" defenseman. These guys are on the virge of making another enormous mistake. Our 1st round pick next year has considerable worth and the only defencemen that would be worth such a pick are not available-- Doughty, Weber, Pietroangelo. We are going to get a 2nd tiered defenseman for that pick and we will rue the day that this occurred as we could have used that pick to take a defenseman like Ekblad who could develop into one of these top tier defenseman. Ask Nashville whether they would have traded their top pick last year for Christian Ehrhoff or Brian Campbell. The owner has to realize that the Oilers are not like owning private companies where there has not been a lot of scrutiny as to how vast sums of money were made by selling overpriced generic drugs. Even though the Oilers are privately owned there is a huge public trust component to owning a sports team such as this which brings public accountability. Sadly this owner seems incapable of dealing with this situation and so we the public will just have to continue to watch this franchise being run into the ground by men who are under enormous pressure to do something immediately to right the ship which is the recipe for another enormous mistake.

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#98 Rob...
November 15 2013, 08:12AM
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Hauk15 wrote:

Good for him, Hall is a better player still. Hall has more points, less games, and he plays for EDM. Seguin has played on good teams, if he was so much better than Hall than he should have a lot more points. On another note, nothing makes me happier than seeing calgary get stomped. 7-3 final.

Two other things to add:

-Oh look, Taylor Hall scored the fastest two goals in Oilers History. I wonder if the Bruins would like a mulligan to try and trade for the #1 pick. -What about all the Oiler haters talking about how Yakupov shouldn't be in rookie of the year contention because he scored most of his goals in a cluster, including a 3 point night? I'm pretty sure you were one of those using that line of reasoning, DSF.

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#99 120 stitches
November 15 2013, 08:15AM
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Part II-- the owner should get somebody in charge of this team who has earned the position of General Manager by apprenticing as an assistant GM for an extended time with a successful organization. There are several individuals that are available who have proven track records of participating in excellent drafting and making wise personnel decisions over many years. Although he no longer is available, Jim Nill is an example of the type of individual the Oilers should recruit to take charge not ex Oilers who have no track records. Some names come to mind - Paul Fenton, Lawrence Gilman, the assistant GM in Phoenix(cannot remember his name) and I will even give you one ex Oiler if you have to have that- Norm McIvor -- but he has a successful track record in a winning organization. If someone like this came in they could take a measured approach rather be under enormous pressure to make a mistake. Why doesn't Katz realize that he could come out of this as a winner by immediately dismissing the current management and replacing them with outsiders who have a successful and proven history of running NHL hockey teams?

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#100 LOIL99
November 15 2013, 10:22AM
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pkam wrote:

When did DSF not cherry pick stats to irritate Oilers fans?

Let me use an example to show how meaningful his comment is. Fedun is 2 pts and +1 after 2 games, so he is on pace to 82 pts and +41 after 82 games as a rookie defenseman. And base on this, he is better than Bobby Orr.

That is why I have stop reading his comment anymore. It is a total waste of time.

I have written a script that goes through and votes "trash" on all DSF posts before it hides them from my screen. Saves me a lot of time. Free to anyone interested!!

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