The Coach

Jonathan Willis
November 14 2013 09:32AM

On virtually any other NHL team, Dallas Eakins would be out of a job right now. A 4-14-2 start is a fireable offence for most NHL teams, but here Eakins has a protective barrier formed by the ghosts of Criag MacTavish and Pat Quinn and Tom Renney and Ralph Krueger.

The Path Forward

It isn’t too early to think about firing the coach. It’s just too early to actually fire the coach. Edmonton has fired coaches so many times without results (on that note, wouldn’t it be nice to go back two years and let Tom Renney keep coaching the team?) and it’s time to go a different route.

This is one of the things Craig MacTavish is here for. In previous years, Steve Tambellini proved remarkably unwilling to address simple team needs (such as fourth line centre). MacTavish is already one up on Tambellini because he’s been willing to try plugging in minor leaguers (recall Mark Arcobello rotting on the farm while Chris VandeVelde and Ryan Smyth failed as fourth line centres) but that’s not enough.

It’s trade time. And not a ‘move Ladislav Smid for futures’ trade. A trade that actually brings in NHL talent. Maybe it’s a defenceman who can play in the top-three. Maybe it’s a big forward who can play in the top-six. Maybe it’s a good third-line wing so that Boyd Gordon doesn’t have to drag around Jesse Joensuu and Ryan Jones. I don’t know what’s out there, or how much what’s out there costs to acquire; I do know that this team isn’t getting the job done and Dallas Eakins seems like he’s out of answers.

Normally, when the coach is out of answers the coach pays the price. In this case, so many other coaches have been out of answers that it’s time to try giving the man behind the bench some different pieces.

Lousy NHL Debuts

Some very good coaches have had some very bad starts to their careers, generally because opportunity arises with bad (or expansion) teams. Here’s a brief list of some very good coaches who started out on the wrong foot:

  • Scotty Bowman: 4-13-2 with St. Louis
  • Dick Irvin: 2-6-4 with Chicago
  • Ron Wilson: 4-13-2 with Anaheim
  • Lindy Ruff: 5-10-4 with Buffalo
  • Ken Hitchcock: 10-18-8 with Dallas

Naturally, I’m not saying ‘oh man, Dallas Eakins is Scotty Bowman!’ That would be crazy. What I am saying is that it’s possible that the Oilers will end up benefiting from their (essentially) forced patience with Eakins. Of course, it’s just as possible that 20 games from now nothing has changed and Eakins is out the door, but it’s at least plausible that the coach can right the ship.

So, About That Trade…

It has to be coming, and it has to be meaningful.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 DoubleDIon
November 14 2013, 11:46AM
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Lochenzo wrote:

I've seen him play forward! Actually, Mike Green was the same way. The offence was always there but the defence took years to come around. The payoff was very good.

Except, you know that Mike Green actually put up enough offense to make up for his still "better-than-Schultz" defense right? He was the leading goal scorer and point getter in the entire NHL before the injuries hampered him. Schultz is an above average offensive guy, certainly not elite like Green at the same age. By Schultz's age he already had a 30 goal season and back to back 70+ point seasons. He was also way more physical than Schultz. Btw, he missed games in both the 73 and 76 point seasons and was over a PPG player in both. He was also a +63 combined in those seasons where he was Schultz's age. Kind of a silly comparison.

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#102 Impartial Oilers Fan
November 14 2013, 11:50AM
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Can any of you Lowe haters actually give any concrete evidence as to exactly what he has been responsible for in his tenure as President that has been so deplorable? Rather than, the Oilers suck, so obviously lets blame anything with a name to it; like the "Boys on the Bus" or the swarm defensive system.

Also, please explain what his job description and requirements are. Until, you can prove what he has done, while he was the President, compared to what Tambellini was responsible for during his tenure as GM, please quit making assumptions and accusations. It reeks of desperation, frustration and generally uninformed shouting at a scapegoat.

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#103 tileguy
November 14 2013, 11:51AM
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** wrote:

Compare Colorado and Edmonton. VEry similar make up, similar shortcomings up to last season. BOth rookie coaches. What is making the difference?, if that answer can be adequately answered then the Oilers can begin to turn this around.

read the article, does a very good job of explaining. Mostly luck.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9973203/the-colorado-avalanche-edmonton-oilers-rebuilds/

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#104 I Dont care anymore
November 14 2013, 11:52AM
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Sell the team. Move it out of here. I will now imagine myself back in the late sixties and early seventies. No pro team in edmonton. And I was happy watching Oilking hockey

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#105 DigDeepNBleedBlue
November 14 2013, 11:54AM
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Wow! It's ugly out there. Stay inside. Hell, get your ass in the storm shelter! The sky is pucking falling.

I think I'll risk it.

Is there a need for a trade. Yup, big hillbilly boy who can spell his own name, stands 7 feet tall and can play defence. That hasn't changed. But, at this point who and from where is completely speculative. So, lets not worry about what can't be controlled.

What can?

Effort. Can't teach that, though. It's something you need to find inside of yourself. You gotta dig deep and….. Man in the mirror. Right?

System. If your personnel can't do it, change the personnel or, hey, change the system to work within the parameters of the players you employ. Just a thought. But, many say it's not the issue. Me, not convinced. Work at it.

Lines and call-ups and demotions ARE something that can be controlled on a daily basis.

Jones and Acton on the demotion.

Call-up Eager and Lander.

I'd call up a D-man too, but there's no one.

Hall-RNH-Eberle They can do a lot. Was nice to see them back together for a spell last night.

Perron-Arcobello-Yakupov Arcobello is definitely growing on me every game. Smart kid and effort. Perron isn't quite back to early season form yet, but when he gets back he'll be a bad moe foe. That I love about him. Yak. Less b*tching. Just shut up and play…

Smyth-Gagner-Hemsky Lets see what happens….

Eager-Gordon-Lander Forecheck. Dig. Hit (Everyone needs to hit. Everyone!). Drive the net*.

*see last parenthesis and make the appropriate changes.

The defence: Throw out whatever you got and pray….

San Jose is going to expose a lot. Keep your eyes on the road. Remember that mirror thing.

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#106 DoubleDIon
November 14 2013, 11:57AM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Can any of you Lowe haters actually give any concrete evidence as to exactly what he has been responsible for in his tenure as President that has been so deplorable? Rather than, the Oilers suck, so obviously lets blame anything with a name to it; like the "Boys on the Bus" or the swarm defensive system.

Also, please explain what his job description and requirements are. Until, you can prove what he has done, while he was the President, compared to what Tambellini was responsible for during his tenure as GM, please quit making assumptions and accusations. It reeks of desperation, frustration and generally uninformed shouting at a scapegoat.

Do you forget that Lowe was the GM that presided over the team during the sinking of the franchise? His comments about Bobby Ryan, Penner offersheet, Pronger trade, Weight trade, horrible draft record, not signing Glencross and Brodziak. I could list more of his moves as GM. I also think he had his fingers in Tambo's pie too, but there is no proof of that. The thing that bugs me the most is his lack of accountability and comments in the media. Two-tiered fans, six rings and general stupidity.

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#107 LOIL99
November 14 2013, 11:58AM
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** wrote:

There is one man who can fire everyone: Daryl Katz.

Thanks...for not answering my questions. Anyone else?

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#108 DSF
November 14 2013, 11:59AM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Can any of you Lowe haters actually give any concrete evidence as to exactly what he has been responsible for in his tenure as President that has been so deplorable? Rather than, the Oilers suck, so obviously lets blame anything with a name to it; like the "Boys on the Bus" or the swarm defensive system.

Also, please explain what his job description and requirements are. Until, you can prove what he has done, while he was the President, compared to what Tambellini was responsible for during his tenure as GM, please quit making assumptions and accusations. It reeks of desperation, frustration and generally uninformed shouting at a scapegoat.

He hired Tambellini and allowed him to run the franchise into the ditch for 5 years.

He then hired MacT as GM despite the fact he had zero experience and while ignoring other candidates (like Jim Nill) who have much more experience and a winning track record.

Not recognizing that reeks of ignorance.

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#109 Bleak Winter
November 14 2013, 12:01PM
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"Changing tires" exactly. Unless you want an actual tire to be our next coach you have to keep Eakins for the season.

It's not that we can't fire Eakins, it's that it wouldn't have enough effect to be worth it at this point. We are very literally painted into a corner here because of management's past actions.

If we fire Eakins, after coaches with one season, two seasons, 48 games, and now 20 games respectively, who do you propose we hire?

The next guy would have to be desperate for a job because look at what he walks in to. A coach killer team, under unaccountable upper management, saddled with two assistants he doesn't have the leeway to replace. To top it off, he's got about 10 games to make an impression with the fan base before people are calling for his head and management has a history of scapegoating coaches. The Oilers would have to go 14-4 just to reach .500. He has an unsalvageable season and literally no hope of a future with this team as it's constructed.

Now, given all that, who puts their name in for that job? Who do you propose we hire? You can't kidnap Laviolette or Sutter and force them to coach. It's career suicide right now to be an Oiler coach. You'd be lucky to get someone from Bantam house-league.

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#110 Impartial Oilers Fan
November 14 2013, 12:04PM
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@DoubleDIon

Well, if you're cherry picking items from Lowe's tenure as GM, then you should also include the trade to get Pronger from the Blues, the trade to get Roloson, the trade to get Visnovsky, etc.

However, as I stated, what EXACTLY has he done as a President, that has effected the Oilers roster and results in a negative way. Not his comments, not his demeanor, just his actions as President! I'm not saying there isn't any, but I'd like to hear exact details rather than speculations because your frustrated and want to stomp your feet because your hard earned money bought a jersey.

So go ahead, someone inform me. I want to hear it!

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#111 2004Z06
November 14 2013, 12:05PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Sadly, that's the only thing that brings me some satisfaction at this point. Dreaming of a future Oiler blueline of J Schultz, Klefbom, Nurse...and Ekblad.

If you are dreaming of J Schultz on the blue line, then it is a nightmare. The kid is awful as a defenseman.

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#112 mlcselli
November 14 2013, 12:06PM
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MacT needs to admit he was wrong and too quick to pull the trigger on firing Kruger. Rookie coach Jon Cooper took over in Tampa, installed a new system and is very successful with it. Rookie coach Patrick Roy, went to Colorado, put in a new system, and is enjoying great success. Rookie coach Dallas Eakins comes to Edmonton, put in his new system, and it is an epic fail. It's not working, and the arrogant pompous AH won't change a thing. The players morale and confidence is at an all time low, and MacT is sitting upstairs watching a living nightmare, because he thinks things will get better.This is a shame. The analysts are predicting we are on course for a 40 point season. That's a .250. This is not acceptable and someone (not a player) needs to go now.

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#113 LOIL99
November 14 2013, 12:08PM
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DoubleDIon wrote:

Do you forget that Lowe was the GM that presided over the team during the sinking of the franchise? His comments about Bobby Ryan, Penner offersheet, Pronger trade, Weight trade, horrible draft record, not signing Glencross and Brodziak. I could list more of his moves as GM. I also think he had his fingers in Tambo's pie too, but there is no proof of that. The thing that bugs me the most is his lack of accountability and comments in the media. Two-tiered fans, six rings and general stupidity.

Half the moves you mentioned were good moves!!

Penner scored 20+ goals in 3 of 4 years on the Oilers.

Pronger got us, almost singlehandedly, to Game 7 of SCF. And then demanded a trade.

Glencross wanted too much money, he signed for less in Calgary.

He drafted Eberle, Gagner, Petry, Hemsky...

Don't get me wrong, I think Lowe needs to move on, but your examples of reasons why are hilarious.

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#114 2004Z06
November 14 2013, 12:11PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

You honestly believe Eakins has full authority in decision making?

Then explain why players such as Gagner - Schultz - Hall - Eberle - have not sat one minute, even benched a period?

Ether Eakins is talking out his ass about accountability or he was told to keep playing certain players.

Not to mention his systems have failed both offensively and defensively, poor player decisions, poor PK, poor PP, poor goalie decisions, he was actually bullied into letting his backup goalie return to the net.

His shot differential is league worse, his goal for and goals against are the worst. THIS IS the worst Oiler team ever!!!! That says a lot when Pat Flippen Quinn is a better coach!!!!!

What actually qualifies this guy as a good coach? What qualifies him as a coach that should stay? Has he earned the right to stay!

MacTavish made a poor decision, it’s that easy, that simple.

It is the coach, keeping him in doesn’t make the team better!!

So how many games do you give the next coach? The one after that?

The carousel needs to stop sometime! I would wager that this coach is going to get a fair bit of rope and players that are "un-coachable" will be moved instead.

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#115 The Funky Chicken Has Left The Building
November 14 2013, 12:12PM
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Could someone...anyone (owner, manager, coach, player, trainer, etc.) just LOSE IT during a game or post game interview to let us know there is a spark of life somewhere in the Oiler organization?!

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#116 DoubleDIon
November 14 2013, 12:12PM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Well, if you're cherry picking items from Lowe's tenure as GM, then you should also include the trade to get Pronger from the Blues, the trade to get Roloson, the trade to get Visnovsky, etc.

However, as I stated, what EXACTLY has he done as a President, that has effected the Oilers roster and results in a negative way. Not his comments, not his demeanor, just his actions as President! I'm not saying there isn't any, but I'd like to hear exact details rather than speculations because your frustrated and want to stomp your feet because your hard earned money bought a jersey.

So go ahead, someone inform me. I want to hear it!

If you think the Visnovsky trade was good you're delusional. Stoll and Greene would be nice guys to have right now.

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#117 DoubleDIon
November 14 2013, 12:15PM
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LOIL99 wrote:

Half the moves you mentioned were good moves!!

Penner scored 20+ goals in 3 of 4 years on the Oilers.

Pronger got us, almost singlehandedly, to Game 7 of SCF. And then demanded a trade.

Glencross wanted too much money, he signed for less in Calgary.

He drafted Eberle, Gagner, Petry, Hemsky...

Don't get me wrong, I think Lowe needs to move on, but your examples of reasons why are hilarious.

I was talking about the return on Pronger in the Anaheim deal, not the St. Louis one.

Penner cost significant assets.

Glencross wanted a 1.4 million dollar one way deal. Easy signing.

Eberle, Gagner, Petry and Hemsky are part of the problem. Not part of the solution. Petry is an overpaid #5 on a decent team. The other guys are not 200 foot players. Eberle was good value where we drafted him, but is the poster boy for what's wrong with this team. Hall and RNH are keepers. I'd be dealing Eberle and Yakupov(wouldn't deal Yak right now).

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#118 Clarko
November 14 2013, 12:17PM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Well, if you're cherry picking items from Lowe's tenure as GM, then you should also include the trade to get Pronger from the Blues, the trade to get Roloson, the trade to get Visnovsky, etc.

However, as I stated, what EXACTLY has he done as a President, that has effected the Oilers roster and results in a negative way. Not his comments, not his demeanor, just his actions as President! I'm not saying there isn't any, but I'd like to hear exact details rather than speculations because your frustrated and want to stomp your feet because your hard earned money bought a jersey.

So go ahead, someone inform me. I want to hear it!

I look at the overall record of this team while he has been Coach/GM/President and it is not good. Yes, they had one very good run in 2006, but in 12/13 seasons with Lowe, this team didn't win playoff round...and they have missed the playoffs 8 times in 12 seasons.

Is that all Lowe's fault...probably not. But leadership needs to be held accountable. Would a CEO of a company not be held accountable for the actions of the people he hired...especially over a 13 year span?

The truth is nobody knows EXACTLY what Lowe has done unless your are within an organization. All we can judge is the overall performance of the product while he has been part of the organization. The results are not good and getting worse...

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#119 Ike Hilliard
November 14 2013, 12:17PM
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Many of you in here sound worse than a nagging wife…

"Fire the coach"

"Fire Lowe" (actually agree with that)

"Fire McT"

"Trade Nail"

"Trade this…do that"

Its easy to sit here outside and criticize but where are all your ideas or suggestions??? Fire Eakins fine but who are candidates to replace him??

"We need trades" ya we do but i rarely see suggestions or ideas from the bunch who sit here and complain about things….

Do us all a favour and jump off the ship…maybe we can get rid of enough dead weight to turn this thing around both on the team and off!!

Just saying….

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#120 2004Z06
November 14 2013, 12:17PM
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birdieman wrote:

Fire the Coach really how can any one make decisions with Lowe & mCtavish looking over his shoulder. I believe Tom Renny was not a yes man and had to go I along with many others feel it is time to let go of the 80's with X oiler players and start fresh they (Lowe) has added Messier to the fold as an advisor. Tom renny was very well liked by fans and players. This has gone on for to many years.

Frustrated

I love the old boys club analogies....I have news for you all. Many teams have old boys clubs.....Colorado, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh NYR and soon to be Buffalo.

That argument is getting really old.

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#121 Drowning in Oil
November 14 2013, 12:21PM
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Of course, no matter how bad this gets, Mac T is going to keep his coach, and all because of the excuse of this team needing to stick it out finally with a coach!! Unfortunately for Krueger, Renney, and Quinn, they were all hired by the previous GM. If anyone of them was hired by Mac T, they would also have complete job security!! Brutal coaching, brutal management, brutal team!!

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#122 rickithebear
November 14 2013, 12:22PM
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eakins system does not provide pressure on the funnel shoting area around the net. Draw a line from goal posts thru centers of the face off dots. it creates a funnel. then step out in 10 foot curved intervals 0-10 feet; 10-20 feet; 20-30 feet; >30.

the last two seasons 2011 to 2013 our team was all shots 7.93% 0-10 16% 10-20 12.5% 20-30 8.7% >30 4.2%

this year under Eakins All 11.9% 0-10 23.5% 10-20 22.2% 20-30 18.4% >30 4.8%

we saw a definite decline in results from our vets.

Smid 12-13 kruger All 7.5% 0-10 10.9% 10-20 9.6% 20-30 6.7% >30 6.3%

13-1 4Aekins All 13.15 0-10 36.4% 10-20 21.7% 20-30 27.3% >30 4.2%

Petry 11-12 All 6.9% 0-10 11.3% 10-20 11.4% 20-30 6.3% >30 4.7%

13-14 All 13.1% 0-10 21.4% 10-20 19.4% 20-30 20.7% >30 7.6%

we miss having Fistri cand potter

Fistric All 4.8% 0-10 10.5% 10-20 13.9% 20-30 0% >30 2.7%

Potter All 4.2% 0-10 23.5% 10-20 9.6% 20-30 2.1% >30 2.2% these guys pressured anything outside 10FT.

i thought it might be Goaltending, but N. schultz stood out! He choose not to pressure out side the funnel and staid with tried and true MIN play. you shall protect in front of the net. Not a box. The funnel. He has been penalized with reduced minutes. But results say it all. N. schultz 13-14 all 5.65 0-10 9.1% 10-20 8.1% 20-30 4.1% >30 4.25 just for reference

S. weber last year. Who has Rhinne All 7.15 0-10 12.2 10-20 14.4 20-30 9.3% >30 3%

No better than Smid & petry last year.

Chnge the system Aekins

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#123 Clarko
November 14 2013, 12:23PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

I love the old boys club analogies....I have news for you all. Many teams have old boys clubs.....Colorado, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh NYR and soon to be Buffalo.

That argument is getting really old.

People are frustrated with "the old boys club" because nobody is held accountable within that group. The one exception was MacT as coach, but he was hired back and promoted.

Look at the people being fired...Quinn, Renney, Kreuger, Tambellini...all not part of the "club" so to speak. Meanwhile, Smith, Bucky, Lowe, and MacT are all still around despite the horrible record of this franchise over the last few seasons.

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#124 Drowning in Oil
November 14 2013, 12:24PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

I love the old boys club analogies....I have news for you all. Many teams have old boys clubs.....Colorado, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh NYR and soon to be Buffalo.

That argument is getting really old.

Wow, there are big diffences, maybe you just don't see it...... besides Buffalo, all the teams you mentioned have had success in recent years. The reason those old boys club guys have their positions is because they actually get results!! Explain to us all what our own Boys on the Bus have done!!! Big difference!

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#125 GK1980
November 14 2013, 12:26PM
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Just listening to Oilersnow and they mentioned something that really turned a light bulb on. We were always tryig to improve the bottom six but we never focused on having good mentors in the top six. Smyth can't teach these kids how to score and be an offensive player in the NHL. the problem the past five years could point to the fact that he kids never had a true number on line mentoring them through the beginning of their careers. Tamby thought they were good enough to carry the team. Skill wise sure, but to play the NHL game, no. Just a theory.

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#126 2004Z06
November 14 2013, 12:30PM
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CMG30 wrote:

Been lurking for awhile but I can't hold it in any longer:

The most ridiculous thing about this year (besides the absolutely horrendous amount of losing) is the singling out of one person for all the blame. Have we not learned yet? Remember how it was all coach MacT's fault? Well they got rid of him and how well did that turn out? Then it was all Horcoff's fault. Well they got rid of him this summer and boy did the team ever improve!

If Katz granted the wishes of half the residents of Edmonton and fired Lowe is anyone going to stand up and with a straight face tell me that this team is now a cup contender? Of course not because the biggest problem with the management of this team is not the people in charge, it's the AMOUNT of people who have been in charge. Stop the circus, the players need stability, support, consistency and accountability not mixed messages!

Granted every game they lose has a unique wrinkle but the overall problem with this team is with a lack of commitment to playing team defense. There are no quick fixes here, Pronger and Niedermayer combined couldn't right this ship at the moment, not until EVERY player commits to their teammates on every second of every shift that they are going to be where they are suppose to be, that their man is not going to score. EVERY player needs to commit to not give up the puck in either end of the rink without a bare knuckle brawl. Nobody is ever left alone in front of Dubnyk. Everybody needs to commit to the simple safe play: Blind passes have no place in the NHL. No one should attempt to carry the puck alone through 3 defenders. No one should attempt a cross ice pass through the entire opposing team, and so on.

Is this too much to ask of the players? NO! It's how every other team they've played this year has beat them. I'm just afraid that some of these players are talented enough that this is the first time anyone has actually asked.

Preach it brotha!

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#127 madjam
November 14 2013, 12:33PM
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Is scamming of Oiler fans legal ?

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#128 15w40
November 14 2013, 12:34PM
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DSF wrote:

He hired Tambellini and allowed him to run the franchise into the ditch for 5 years.

He then hired MacT as GM despite the fact he had zero experience and while ignoring other candidates (like Jim Nill) who have much more experience and a winning track record.

Not recognizing that reeks of ignorance.

I'm beginning to wonder if there were any overtures made toward candidates like Jim Nill.

The more that this team deteriorates, the more I wonder if Jim Nill and guys of his ilk might have just given Lowe the "don't bother" message. He had received numerous offers to work for other teams before he jumped to Dallas.

I think there was zero chance Jim Nill would come to Edmonton unless there was a complete enema of the management starting right below Katz & finishing at basically with anybody that had to do with player/personnel issues.

Even that may not have been enough depending on how Katz wants to run his toy from YVR.

Jim Nill & management types like him would never come here. The Oilers will be stuck with puppets, former Oilers, or people with no concrete track record.

IMHO

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#129 oildrops
November 14 2013, 12:39PM
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You cant count on management they have six rings and don't mind losing.

The team needs to fear losing!, hate it!, stop it!, don't get close to IT!.

I cant stop cheering for this team for the life of me.

I'm going to the Sharks game and going to yell some sh** and nobody going to stop me.

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#130 pkam
November 14 2013, 12:43PM
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tileguy wrote:

I urge everyone to read the grantland article. It clearly explains what is happening. I feel we just need to tweak this team with some size.

After finish reading that article, a few things come to my mind.

If Eakins, an AHL head coach with previous NHL assistant coach experience is not capable to be a NHL head coach, how can Roy, a CHL head coach without any NHL assistant coach experience capable to be a NHL head coach?

I compare the goalie SV% for the past 3 years. Dubnyk is 0.916, 0.914 and 0.920. Labarbera is 0.909, 0.912 and and 0.923. Varlamov is 0.924, 0.913 and 0.903. Giguere is 0.900, 0.918 and 0.908. Dubnyk and Labarbera have been slowly improving. Varlamov is slowly regressing and Giguere is being inconsistent. So which pair will you pick before the season started? Unless I have a crystal ball, I'll pick Dubnyk and Labarbera 10 out of 10 times.

Colorado definitely wins the 3 top 3 picks. 2009 is not a deep draft year but still better than 2010. And no prospects in the last 5 years can match the top 4 prospects this year. I think it is a bit of luck that you draft high in an exceptionally good draft year.

If MacT hired Roy instead of Eakins, the situation in Oils nation will be even uglier than now. If we were 14-3-0, everyone here will be praising MacT, just like 2 years ago when Khabibulin stopped everything and Eberle had nearly 20% shooting percentage, and we started the season with 20 points in 14 games.

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#131 VMR
November 14 2013, 12:51PM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Well, if you're cherry picking items from Lowe's tenure as GM, then you should also include the trade to get Pronger from the Blues, the trade to get Roloson, the trade to get Visnovsky, etc.

However, as I stated, what EXACTLY has he done as a President, that has effected the Oilers roster and results in a negative way. Not his comments, not his demeanor, just his actions as President! I'm not saying there isn't any, but I'd like to hear exact details rather than speculations because your frustrated and want to stomp your feet because your hard earned money bought a jersey.

So go ahead, someone inform me. I want to hear it!

He's the one who decided Tambellini was the right guy to turn the team around. That's one big failure.

He's the guy that decided to replace him with the inexperienced MacT who has managed to make the team worse.

Worst of all he's been in charge of this organization as it's floundered and crashed all the way down the standings and shows no sign of improvement since 2006.

Then consider it the other way round, what exactly has he done that show signs this team is getting in any way better? Can you name one?

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#132 Hangin@Bangin
November 14 2013, 12:56PM
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@Clarko

Is this Kevin Lowe? Only Kevin could defend his revolting decisions that have put his team in the sewer ( thanks for pointing that out Brian Burke), who hit the nail on the head I must say. Yes that Visnovsky trade was stellar hey? We gave up Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene to eventually get Ryan Whitney & Brandon Davidson both of whom you will never see in the NHL again one never even came closing to cracking the big dance, Davidson making a career with 40 AHL games. I hope your just trolling for a response from the fans of the Oilers because if you are serious you make me sick. Excuse me while I go vomit.

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#133 A-Mc
November 14 2013, 12:57PM
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I hope we lose the next 2 games in shutout fashion.

I share the same sentiment of a prior post: We need to absolutely STINK STINK STINK before something finally gets done.

I thought MacT's moves over the summer were good. Perron and Ference were definitely a step in the right direction! He needs to put a few more good ones together before we start to see some success. At this rate, we are a lock for last place in the league: HELLO 1st overall!

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#134 Hangin@Bangin
November 14 2013, 12:58PM
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@Impartial Oilers Fan

Is this Kevin Lowe? Only Kevin could defend his revolting decisions that have put his team in the sewer ( thanks for pointing that out Brian Burke), who hit the nail on the head I must say. Yes that Visnovsky trade was stellar hey? We gave up Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene to eventually get Ryan Whitney & Brandon Davidson both of whom you will never see in the NHL again one never even came closing to cracking the big dance, Davidson making a career with 40 AHL games. I hope your just trolling for a response from the fans of the Oilers because if you are serious you make me sick. Excuse me while I go vomit.

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#135 Walter Sobchak
November 14 2013, 01:14PM
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So how many games do you give the next coach? The one after that?

The carousel needs to stop sometime! I would wager that this coach is going to get a fair bit of rope and players that are "un-coachable" will be moved instead.

The idea that it's going to get better under Eakins is just terrible foresight, this record is compiled under playing mostly Eastern based teams, there schedule is going to be mostly the tougher western conference from here on out.

Do you have any idea how badly they have been out played against the west teams? 10-1 goal ratio, 107 + shots to 50 or so in THREE games!!

So you want to keep a coach in that can't clearly coach at this level? But you’re willing to move Eberle -Hall - Yakupov - Schultz - Gagner - Jones - because they became un-coachable under Eakins??

You can’t trade half the team and your only stars.

This is the worst Oiler team ever.......EVER!! thats a ringing endorcment of the coach, not the players.

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#136 pkam
November 14 2013, 01:14PM
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Wow! It's ugly out there. Stay inside. Hell, get your ass in the storm shelter! The sky is pucking falling.

I think I'll risk it.

Is there a need for a trade. Yup, big hillbilly boy who can spell his own name, stands 7 feet tall and can play defence. That hasn't changed. But, at this point who and from where is completely speculative. So, lets not worry about what can't be controlled.

What can?

Effort. Can't teach that, though. It's something you need to find inside of yourself. You gotta dig deep and….. Man in the mirror. Right?

System. If your personnel can't do it, change the personnel or, hey, change the system to work within the parameters of the players you employ. Just a thought. But, many say it's not the issue. Me, not convinced. Work at it.

Lines and call-ups and demotions ARE something that can be controlled on a daily basis.

Jones and Acton on the demotion.

Call-up Eager and Lander.

I'd call up a D-man too, but there's no one.

Hall-RNH-Eberle They can do a lot. Was nice to see them back together for a spell last night.

Perron-Arcobello-Yakupov Arcobello is definitely growing on me every game. Smart kid and effort. Perron isn't quite back to early season form yet, but when he gets back he'll be a bad moe foe. That I love about him. Yak. Less b*tching. Just shut up and play…

Smyth-Gagner-Hemsky Lets see what happens….

Eager-Gordon-Lander Forecheck. Dig. Hit (Everyone needs to hit. Everyone!). Drive the net*.

*see last parenthesis and make the appropriate changes.

The defence: Throw out whatever you got and pray….

San Jose is going to expose a lot. Keep your eyes on the road. Remember that mirror thing.

One thing I notice in the past 3 years and is still happening.

We lose at least 80% of puck battle along the board.

Not sure if this is the coach's fault but it definitely has nothing to do with the system. In fact, Eakins explained his Swarm defense system in one of his practice presser, 'It is basically a standard D zone coverage, but when one of our player pinch the puck carrier along the board, another player will jump in to take away the puck.'. Basically, it is a system design to address our failure to win the puck battle along the board. Unfortunately, we lose those battle even with 2 on 1 most of the time, especially in our D zone. of course, it is again the coach's fault.

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#137 6 ring circus
November 14 2013, 01:17PM
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I think its time we all forget about it,until Katz fires the old boy's club,and brings in an experienced management group, we will continue to be a bottom feeder,there is no accountability to the loyal fan base from the top of this organization to the bottom,name me one other sports team in any league that has a owner who is happy with a losing record 8 years in row and makes no changes, it's unheard of. I thought Katz becoming the owner of this team was going to be a good thing,man was I wrong, it's been a disaster.

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#138 OilCanFan
November 14 2013, 01:17PM
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Kevin Lowe appears arrogant, just look at his comments. Eakins is one of these: arrogant, stubborn, or not too bright - his coaching decisions have not been good and I don't see anything indicating accountability. It's my opinion that the biggest difference between Krueger and Eakins is the adaptability; it appeared that Krueger was adapting his systems to what he had where Eakins is trying to make his players adapt to his brilliant systems. It is possible Eakins is just a good AHL coach and that is all he will be?

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#139 Mike Krushelnyski
November 14 2013, 01:26PM
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eakins system does not provide pressure on the funnel shoting area around the net. Draw a line from goal posts thru centers of the face off dots. it creates a funnel. then step out in 10 foot curved intervals 0-10 feet; 10-20 feet; 20-30 feet; >30.

the last two seasons 2011 to 2013 our team was all shots 7.93% 0-10 16% 10-20 12.5% 20-30 8.7% >30 4.2%

this year under Eakins All 11.9% 0-10 23.5% 10-20 22.2% 20-30 18.4% >30 4.8%

we saw a definite decline in results from our vets.

Smid 12-13 kruger All 7.5% 0-10 10.9% 10-20 9.6% 20-30 6.7% >30 6.3%

13-1 4Aekins All 13.15 0-10 36.4% 10-20 21.7% 20-30 27.3% >30 4.2%

Petry 11-12 All 6.9% 0-10 11.3% 10-20 11.4% 20-30 6.3% >30 4.7%

13-14 All 13.1% 0-10 21.4% 10-20 19.4% 20-30 20.7% >30 7.6%

we miss having Fistri cand potter

Fistric All 4.8% 0-10 10.5% 10-20 13.9% 20-30 0% >30 2.7%

Potter All 4.2% 0-10 23.5% 10-20 9.6% 20-30 2.1% >30 2.2% these guys pressured anything outside 10FT.

i thought it might be Goaltending, but N. schultz stood out! He choose not to pressure out side the funnel and staid with tried and true MIN play. you shall protect in front of the net. Not a box. The funnel. He has been penalized with reduced minutes. But results say it all. N. schultz 13-14 all 5.65 0-10 9.1% 10-20 8.1% 20-30 4.1% >30 4.25 just for reference

S. weber last year. Who has Rhinne All 7.15 0-10 12.2 10-20 14.4 20-30 9.3% >30 3%

No better than Smid & petry last year.

Chnge the system Aekins

Newagesys?! is that you?

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#140 Johnnydapunk
November 14 2013, 01:32PM
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If you think the Visnovsky trade was good you're delusional. Stoll and Greene would be nice guys to have right now.

At the time, their numbers weren't so good, Visnovsky's numbers weren't bad at the time, though the fact he was traded a day before his no trade clause went into effect is kind of funny/sad. I wouldn't call it a terrible trade by any means as at the time it was the Oil trying to get a player they needed. Visnovsky's numbers were a bit crap with the Oil as I'm guessing he didn't want to really be there. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't classify that as a good or bad trade at the time. Being really picky, trading for a player who didn't want to be traded was probably not the best move though.

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#141 DSF
November 14 2013, 01:32PM
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I'm beginning to wonder if there were any overtures made toward candidates like Jim Nill.

The more that this team deteriorates, the more I wonder if Jim Nill and guys of his ilk might have just given Lowe the "don't bother" message. He had received numerous offers to work for other teams before he jumped to Dallas.

I think there was zero chance Jim Nill would come to Edmonton unless there was a complete enema of the management starting right below Katz & finishing at basically with anybody that had to do with player/personnel issues.

Even that may not have been enough depending on how Katz wants to run his toy from YVR.

Jim Nill & management types like him would never come here. The Oilers will be stuck with puppets, former Oilers, or people with no concrete track record.

IMHO

Quite possible I suppose but I would wager Lowe didn't even inquire.

Agree that finding someone competent to work under Lowe might be a big issue.

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#142 Cynic
November 14 2013, 01:38PM
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The Oilers would be playing much better hockey if only the didn't have to toil in such an outmoded barn. I'm positive things will be better with a new arena.

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#143 pkam
November 14 2013, 01:44PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

At the time, their numbers weren't so good, Visnovsky's numbers weren't bad at the time, though the fact he was traded a day before his no trade clause went into effect is kind of funny/sad. I wouldn't call it a terrible trade by any means as at the time it was the Oil trying to get a player they needed. Visnovsky's numbers were a bit crap with the Oil as I'm guessing he didn't want to really be there. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't classify that as a good or bad trade at the time. Being really picky, trading for a player who didn't want to be traded was probably not the best move though.

I don't like that trade neither but I heard rumors that it was Stoll asking for a trade because his girlfriend refused to come to Edmonton.

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#144 Dave
November 14 2013, 01:50PM
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This is amazing. There are only two times that Oilers Nation will get this much traffic and exposure. One: suck to the great beyond which they are doing. Or, two: win the cup. I really, really hope that the folks running this site are fully seeing the business opportunity and potential to captivate more widespread audience and take this site to the next level with the crazy # of hits they HAVE TO be getting. This thread is incredible when it comes to potential ad sales.

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#145 Johnnydapunk
November 14 2013, 01:52PM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Can any of you Lowe haters actually give any concrete evidence as to exactly what he has been responsible for in his tenure as President that has been so deplorable? Rather than, the Oilers suck, so obviously lets blame anything with a name to it; like the "Boys on the Bus" or the swarm defensive system.

Also, please explain what his job description and requirements are. Until, you can prove what he has done, while he was the President, compared to what Tambellini was responsible for during his tenure as GM, please quit making assumptions and accusations. It reeks of desperation, frustration and generally uninformed shouting at a scapegoat.

I can only point out that his own arrogance and I'm guessing the fact he seems to have pissed off a lot of other GMs which would make trading a bit difficult, I mean Burke was quoted as saying he wanted to rent a barn in Lake Placid and have a fight with Lowe, surely if one GM is willing to go that far, I don't know how friendly the other presidents and GMs would be. It's all speculation.

I think like a lot of people have mentioned here, it's his arrogance towards fans and media which seems unjustified as his tenure off the ice hasn't exactly been spectacular. I would think a change would be nice, as perhaps the Oilers relationships with other teams may improve. I'm only guessing though as I know it can't be an easy job and anyone who comes in will not have the time offered that Lowe has had as everyone is expecting magic to happen instantly which sadly won't happen.

The Oil needs more balance on their team, less "stars" and more plugs and grinders, players who can play and get the dirty goals, Ryan Smyth in his prime is a good example of the type of players the Oil can use right now.

I'm still on the fence regarding the defence, as they aren't being outshot that often, seems like 20-30 shots a game other teams are getting, and with that if there is a goalie who let's in 9 out of 10 shots that means that other teams would score 2-2.5 goals a game which is reasonable.

Sorry if it comes out all ranty on you, I may have gone all off topic and just verbally diarhhea-ed all over you, but I'm hoping you got my gist of it all :-)

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#146 Johnnydapunk
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I don't like that trade neither but I heard rumors that it was Stoll asking for a trade because his girlfriend refused to come to Edmonton.

Ah so, I wasn't aware of that, I know Visnovsky didn't want to be traded, and if Stoll wanted a trade, then it wasn't terrible by any means, I guess it kind of sucked to be Visnovsky at that time (despite him getting paid crazy amounts to play a game I love)

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#147 vetinari
November 14 2013, 01:56PM
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Dave wrote:

This is amazing. There are only two times that Oilers Nation will get this much traffic and exposure. One: suck to the great beyond which they are doing. Or, two: win the cup. I really, really hope that the folks running this site are fully seeing the business opportunity and potential to captivate more widespread audience and take this site to the next level with the crazy # of hits they HAVE TO be getting. This thread is incredible when it comes to potential ad sales.

@ Dave-- don't go all "meta" on us and take us off our rants, complaints, laments, regrets, or miseries... please add at least one "fire [insert name]" into your post or "I love Lowe" or "I hate Lowe" to fit in...

By the way, the mod's would probably appreciate your enthusiasm and statement.

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#148 Bleak Winter
November 14 2013, 01:59PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

The idea that it's going to get better under Eakins is just terrible foresight, this record is compiled under playing mostly Eastern based teams, there schedule is going to be mostly the tougher western conference from here on out.

Do you have any idea how badly they have been out played against the west teams? 10-1 goal ratio, 107 + shots to 50 or so in THREE games!!

So you want to keep a coach in that can't clearly coach at this level? But you’re willing to move Eberle -Hall - Yakupov - Schultz - Gagner - Jones - because they became un-coachable under Eakins??

You can’t trade half the team and your only stars.

This is the worst Oiler team ever.......EVER!! thats a ringing endorcment of the coach, not the players.

It's probably not going to get better under Eakins, but it's not going to get better under any of the stop-gaps we could replace him with either. That's what we're limited to now. Stop-gaps.

Who is your ideal coach to right the ship? Now explain how does that guy even want this job? We aren't in a position to hire a saviour-level coach here. We fire Eakins and I guarantee you that we get either Buchberger or Smith as interim head coach. Do you want that? Absolutely best case scenario MacT steps back in. Todd Nelson would be smarter to stay in Oklahoma and wait for a real NHL team to poach him.

The guy who would take this job now is likely not a guy who is capable of leading us out of this on his own. Anybody who is good enough has much better options for their career.

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#149 acg5151
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Craig MacTavish has tried to solve more in his time in Edmonton than Tambo did in like 3 years. Let's see, he 1) Traded for Perron - a good move 2) signed Ference, a decent move that hasn't worked out 3) Brought Dallas Eakins in and fired Krueger - a questionable move but a move nonetheless. 4) Traded Horcoff and frees up 5.5 million in cap space being spent on a once great player who needed to move on. 5) Brought in a lot of depth on D - Grebeshkov, Larsen, so that if there were blueline injuries they would have NHL defensemen. Has kind of panned out. 6) Traded Smid to clear space to make a move, and signed Bryzgalov. Jury is still out on this one.

Craig MacTavish has made a valiant attempt to fix a broken team. The Oilers remind me of the last couple of episodes of season 2 when they realized 'the group is broken' and they tried to fix it. The Oilers are a broken team and now that the management realizes it they are trying to fix it.

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#150 Kevin
November 14 2013, 02:17PM
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dave wrote:

Eakins was given a 3 yr contract. He's not going anywhere.

actually 4 years....and are'nt they still paying Renny ? and oh ya Tambellini management is a complete JOKE. Mac T says he would like to add a top pairing D but he his not ready to trade any part of the skilled core ?? is this the same skilled core which hasn't scored a goal at home in the last 3 games. Is this the same skilled core that's part of the worst start in Team history. Help me out here just trying to understand what the GENERAL MANAGER of an NHL team is saying here. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Actually the longer these $40 Million dollar skilled players go without actually doing anything on the ice the less value they have.

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