The Coach

Jonathan Willis
November 14 2013 09:32AM

On virtually any other NHL team, Dallas Eakins would be out of a job right now. A 4-14-2 start is a fireable offence for most NHL teams, but here Eakins has a protective barrier formed by the ghosts of Criag MacTavish and Pat Quinn and Tom Renney and Ralph Krueger.

The Path Forward

It isn’t too early to think about firing the coach. It’s just too early to actually fire the coach. Edmonton has fired coaches so many times without results (on that note, wouldn’t it be nice to go back two years and let Tom Renney keep coaching the team?) and it’s time to go a different route.

This is one of the things Craig MacTavish is here for. In previous years, Steve Tambellini proved remarkably unwilling to address simple team needs (such as fourth line centre). MacTavish is already one up on Tambellini because he’s been willing to try plugging in minor leaguers (recall Mark Arcobello rotting on the farm while Chris VandeVelde and Ryan Smyth failed as fourth line centres) but that’s not enough.

It’s trade time. And not a ‘move Ladislav Smid for futures’ trade. A trade that actually brings in NHL talent. Maybe it’s a defenceman who can play in the top-three. Maybe it’s a big forward who can play in the top-six. Maybe it’s a good third-line wing so that Boyd Gordon doesn’t have to drag around Jesse Joensuu and Ryan Jones. I don’t know what’s out there, or how much what’s out there costs to acquire; I do know that this team isn’t getting the job done and Dallas Eakins seems like he’s out of answers.

Normally, when the coach is out of answers the coach pays the price. In this case, so many other coaches have been out of answers that it’s time to try giving the man behind the bench some different pieces.

Lousy NHL Debuts

Some very good coaches have had some very bad starts to their careers, generally because opportunity arises with bad (or expansion) teams. Here’s a brief list of some very good coaches who started out on the wrong foot:

  • Scotty Bowman: 4-13-2 with St. Louis
  • Dick Irvin: 2-6-4 with Chicago
  • Ron Wilson: 4-13-2 with Anaheim
  • Lindy Ruff: 5-10-4 with Buffalo
  • Ken Hitchcock: 10-18-8 with Dallas

Naturally, I’m not saying ‘oh man, Dallas Eakins is Scotty Bowman!’ That would be crazy. What I am saying is that it’s possible that the Oilers will end up benefiting from their (essentially) forced patience with Eakins. Of course, it’s just as possible that 20 games from now nothing has changed and Eakins is out the door, but it’s at least plausible that the coach can right the ship.

So, About That Trade…

It has to be coming, and it has to be meaningful.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Muller
November 14 2013, 09:54AM
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Something has to change....

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#52 Bryzarro World
November 14 2013, 10:22AM
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Is it too late to let Katz move the team still? We'd have a good team in here and the best part, NO KLOWE!!

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#53 ubermiguel
November 14 2013, 10:35AM
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Time to commit to a coach and let him bring in his own guys (although Nelson has earned an NHL spot, Associate Coach perhaps?). It's flippingly obvious the coach is not and has never been the problem.

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#54 pkam
November 14 2013, 10:44AM
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Spydyr wrote:

So following your logic if you have three flat tires in a row and the fourth goes flat. You will continue to drive around on the fourth flat tire?

It does not matter how many coaches have been fired in the past. If your coach goes "flat" you replace him.

Eakin's has a Nail and is almost out of air.

Worst example.

Perhaps the tires were not flat but the wheel was cracked. You can keep replacing the tires and continue to get flat tires. Treating the symptom does not fix the problem.

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#55 Bennyboy
November 14 2013, 11:02AM
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Seriously, Mac T, there is no shame in admitting you Screwed up royally when you call Ralph Kruger On Skype and tell him how much the team wants him back. You can see every night that the team dosent want To play for Eakins. How about a GM and players only meeting? Ask them, I'd bet Ralph is back here ASAP. I actually feel for Eakins, his kids get harassed at School and this isn't turning around anytime soon.

Maybe best to get him out of here.

I wonder if a few of the players were involved in a Skype Call to Ralph, if that would be enough for Him to say "yeah I liked that job and we made Progress, ok I will come bail you guys out.

Besides, I'm sure lots of the guys remember his systems. He was building in the right direction.

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#56 Johnnydapunk
November 14 2013, 02:49PM
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On an incredibly lighter note that could offer a good few seconds of a mild smile, I have managed to find an Oiler team that is number one so far in the standings!! 9 games in they are 7-2

Oilers Number One in Chinese Hockey!!

No idea how I found that :-)

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#57 Zarny
November 14 2013, 03:57PM
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DSF wrote:

He hired Tambellini and allowed him to run the franchise into the ditch for 5 years.

He then hired MacT as GM despite the fact he had zero experience and while ignoring other candidates (like Jim Nill) who have much more experience and a winning track record.

Not recognizing that reeks of ignorance.

You assume Jim Nill and other candidates were interested in the Oilers GM job.

That's a big assumption.

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#58 Rama Lama
November 14 2013, 04:04PM
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So sad to hear the ringing endorsement of Eakins.........it's very difficult for Mac T to admit that he made a mistake.

For all those people who continue to say it's all about our players and that none of them are any good, exactly where do we find good players?? Is there a factory where you can acquire these guys? No they are developed.......by the organization over a number of years, unless you are the Edmonton Oilers.

What Mac T should have said, is we are going to develop our players, and move them along slowly including time well spent in the AHL. No more drafting players and then developing them in the NHL. Every player has to prove themsleves in the minors........now I would be totally impressed by that statement.

Stating he is willing to trade what will prove to be another first-first rounder, is just plain stupid. Are we suppose to believe that he can turn this magic bean into a player/players, that can solidify our team? What so we can find another midget like Ference??

Sorry Mac T you will and can do better than that!

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#59 godot10
November 14 2013, 09:44AM
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Eakins's Corsi and Fenwick closed ticked below Krueger's last night, even with a mostly eastly conference schedule.

Against five common opponents (out of six), Eakins Corsi close is 30-something-percent.

By looking at shot metrics, Corsi or Fenwick, and not goal differential, or won-loss record, one eliminates a lot of the effects of randomness, i.e. save percentage, shooting percentage.

30-something percent against common Western Conference opponents and Detroit...that is abysmal coaching.

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#60 Spydyr
November 14 2013, 10:35AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Too many coaches have been turfed. Even if Eakins does a few things that I disagree with, he isn't the problem. In fact, changing coaches every year likely IS one of the major problems. So if I'm the Oilers then I'm sticking with Eakins.

What I WOULD do is fire Bucky and Smith then give Eakins Carte Blanche to hire the staff he needs to be successful. These ex Oilers have survived a couple coaching changes. It's ridiculous.

So following your logic if you have three flat tires in a row and the fourth goes flat. You will continue to drive around on the fourth flat tire?

It does not matter how many coaches have been fired in the past. If your coach goes "flat" you replace him.

Eakin's has a Nail and is almost out of air.

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#61 kevins
November 14 2013, 10:38AM
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Pharmboy wrote:

Agreed, patience is important here, it is interesting to note that during preseason when our lineup was about equal in terms of quality with the opposition, the team had a decent record, so maybe it isn't all the new systems and motivational tactics. Big trade required. Additionally, I love Ryan Smyth but it is time, it's getting sadder to watch each game, a horrible ending to an otherwise admirable career.

we should go the way of Buffalo and clean out the brass. just because these guys could play the game don't mean they can teach it. out with Lowe,Mac-T and Eakins.

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#62 The_CWD_GarbageMan
November 14 2013, 10:42AM
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Biggest thing is the team mentality. On paper like it said, D was supposed to be better (ie. lets say the Avalanche).

But Roy he comes in and instills his culture (Or Psychotic need to be better than everyone else).

Started Day one after he emasculated Boudreau.

Dubnyk was just expected to be his numbers of years past as far as im concerned. .920 sp. Who can argue with that? With a better d in front of him apparently it mean only more W’s. Sadly. Our sense of defensive coverage is all but lost. That and he sucks this year.

Sorry. Klowe, Mac T and them all need to go. It’s the only thing I can see man. Talk about needing more grit, we get rid of smid and brown. We need guys who can play and have the ability to be tough to play against. A guy who can give Eberle more room and complement his game. Here we have four talented players with absolutely no space and they’re ripe for the pickings. Pat Kane has Bickell on his line.

But hey, there are smaller teams out there getting it done, and it comes down to hunger and responsibility and you just don’t see it.

Great Article on Grantland for those who haven't read it yet.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9973203/the-colorado-avalanche-edmonton-oilers-rebuilds/

Just some Scattershot Thoughts courtesy of your pissy CWD Garbage Man.

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#63 **
November 14 2013, 10:53AM
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there are two comets flying by this week, maybe if we all at Oilers nation close our eyes and open our hearts and wish upon these shooting stars, maybe we can have a winning Oilers team.

*contains laugh for another 2 seconds*

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#64 **
November 14 2013, 11:35AM
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LOIL99 wrote:

Real questions. Who can fire who?

1) Can Lowe fire MacT? 2) Can MacT fire Lowe? 3) Can Lowe fire Eakins? 4) Can Eakins fire Bucky and Smith? 5) Can Lowe fire Bucky and Smith?

There is one man who can fire everyone: Daryl Katz.

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#65 Walter Sobchak
November 14 2013, 01:14PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

So how many games do you give the next coach? The one after that?

The carousel needs to stop sometime! I would wager that this coach is going to get a fair bit of rope and players that are "un-coachable" will be moved instead.

The idea that it's going to get better under Eakins is just terrible foresight, this record is compiled under playing mostly Eastern based teams, there schedule is going to be mostly the tougher western conference from here on out.

Do you have any idea how badly they have been out played against the west teams? 10-1 goal ratio, 107 + shots to 50 or so in THREE games!!

So you want to keep a coach in that can't clearly coach at this level? But you’re willing to move Eberle -Hall - Yakupov - Schultz - Gagner - Jones - because they became un-coachable under Eakins??

You can’t trade half the team and your only stars.

This is the worst Oiler team ever.......EVER!! thats a ringing endorcment of the coach, not the players.

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#66 RealFakeDiesel
November 14 2013, 02:23PM
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If Rob Ford can apologize and continue to govern Toronto, could we not man up and say sorry to Ralph Kruger giving him back head coaching duties and force him to keep Eakens on staff as an assistant ready to take the role in the future?

Outlandish, I know. But that way there is a consistency for the young guys and still a change.

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#67 pkam
November 14 2013, 02:48PM
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RealFakeDiesel wrote:

If Rob Ford can apologize and continue to govern Toronto, could we not man up and say sorry to Ralph Kruger giving him back head coaching duties and force him to keep Eakens on staff as an assistant ready to take the role in the future?

Outlandish, I know. But that way there is a consistency for the young guys and still a change.

Did you remember in the press conference that introduced Eakins, they said they talked about hockey for nearly 5 hours in their first meeting?

So basically MacT and Eakins have the same philosophy. There may be some minor differences, but MacT should be able to communicate them to Eakins.

So what is the point to fire Eakins if MacT is going to take over?

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#68 gcw_rocks
November 14 2013, 03:41PM
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Your question about Renney is interesting. I have been thinking that the Oilers would have been much better off had they kept Krueger and fired all the assistant coaches, replacing them with some real NHL veteran coaches. The team, imo, player harder under Krueger than they did under Renney. But Krueger was too far behind on NHL strategy and needed a strong associate coach and assistant coaches to compensate.

Instead we got Eakins. The curse of MacTavish

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#69 The Real Scuba Steve
November 14 2013, 05:05PM
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GregDonaldson wrote:

Answer me this angry Oilers fans...

Tell me exactly what it accomplishes by firing Kevin Lowe?

Do you honestly think all of the team's struggles and problems will magically be cured as soon as Lowe is turfed?

You so badly need your scapegoat and your pound of flesh that you don't care how ridiculous you all sound.

Firing Lowe solves nothing, he is not going anywhere, GET OVER IT.

Go back to booing Yakupov and chase him out of town just as you did with Jason Arnott among others. The typical Oilers fan will want that "spoiled brat" Yakupov ran out of town on the first thing smoking but those same exact typical Oilers fans will lament how they don't have and need a sniper like Yakupov when he is gone.

I love the Oilers, I despise most other Oiler fans, you give the rest of us a bad name. Yes I am talking to you the ones who would yell shoot at Hemsky when he wasn't even in a position to shoot. The ones who said Horcoff was useless. The ones who bashed Penner while he was here and wanted him bought out but then turned around and complained that his trade return wasn't enough. The ones who live to bitch, whine and complain about every little thing.

Wow another blogger employed by the Edmonton Oilers to doing PR on other sites, go back to EdmontonOilers.com.

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#70 Chainsawz
November 14 2013, 09:44PM
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@GregDonaldson

If you can't see how that firing Lowe helps this organization long term, then you are the type of fan that I despise. The unfaltering apologist. The one that lives to accept whatever is dished out to them by likes of Stauffer and co.

If the President of Hockey Operations has no effect of our on ice product, maybe we need one that can effect the product in a positive way.

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#71 Mac962
November 14 2013, 09:45AM
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Rick wrote:

The Common denominator throughout the head coach carousel Is Steve Smith and Bucky. At what point do you hold these two responsible for some of these problems.These kids are NOT receiving good mentoring from these two coaches.

You read my mind Bro- see below. they are dead weight.

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#72 madjam
November 14 2013, 09:52AM
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With a rather pathetic defence (underspending) and goalies that have to many off nights , along with a diminutive forward group that lacks physicality , one can hardly lay fault with the coach to much degree . MacT. , like Tams , needs to give the coach more viable NHL talents to work with -not more low grade ones or AHL fillins . Our team is a reflection of what MacT. has not done to change our fortunes . I suppose Lowe is responsible as any for that as well .

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#73 Rama Lama
November 14 2013, 11:01AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Too many coaches have been turfed. Even if Eakins does a few things that I disagree with, he isn't the problem. In fact, changing coaches every year likely IS one of the major problems. So if I'm the Oilers then I'm sticking with Eakins.

What I WOULD do is fire Bucky and Smith then give Eakins Carte Blanche to hire the staff he needs to be successful. These ex Oilers have survived a couple coaching changes. It's ridiculous.

Just HOW do you know that Eakins is not the problem?? By any basic metric one can see that every part of our team has regressed under Eakins.

Not one player has improved under Eakins......not one. Just because we are all fatigued with coaching changes does not mean we hired the right guy...........just maybe we had the right guy all along in Krueger and hiring Eakins was a bad mistake?

Keep an open mind.

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#74 mayorblaine
November 14 2013, 11:30AM
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do not fire Eakins. sure ditch Bucky and Smith. quickly.

the consistent that hasn't changed with this team is the top 6. time to purge the problem rather aim for the easy.

stop loving the kids, start having greater expectations of them.

if your name isn't Hall or RNH, bye. potentially.

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#75 Bleak Winter
November 14 2013, 12:01PM
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"Changing tires" exactly. Unless you want an actual tire to be our next coach you have to keep Eakins for the season.

It's not that we can't fire Eakins, it's that it wouldn't have enough effect to be worth it at this point. We are very literally painted into a corner here because of management's past actions.

If we fire Eakins, after coaches with one season, two seasons, 48 games, and now 20 games respectively, who do you propose we hire?

The next guy would have to be desperate for a job because look at what he walks in to. A coach killer team, under unaccountable upper management, saddled with two assistants he doesn't have the leeway to replace. To top it off, he's got about 10 games to make an impression with the fan base before people are calling for his head and management has a history of scapegoating coaches. The Oilers would have to go 14-4 just to reach .500. He has an unsalvageable season and literally no hope of a future with this team as it's constructed.

Now, given all that, who puts their name in for that job? Who do you propose we hire? You can't kidnap Laviolette or Sutter and force them to coach. It's career suicide right now to be an Oiler coach. You'd be lucky to get someone from Bantam house-league.

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#76 Clarko
November 14 2013, 12:23PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

I love the old boys club analogies....I have news for you all. Many teams have old boys clubs.....Colorado, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh NYR and soon to be Buffalo.

That argument is getting really old.

People are frustrated with "the old boys club" because nobody is held accountable within that group. The one exception was MacT as coach, but he was hired back and promoted.

Look at the people being fired...Quinn, Renney, Kreuger, Tambellini...all not part of the "club" so to speak. Meanwhile, Smith, Bucky, Lowe, and MacT are all still around despite the horrible record of this franchise over the last few seasons.

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#77 sizzay
November 14 2013, 10:05AM
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There will be no major moves for a defenseman because the plan all along was to wait for Klefbom and Nurse. Add Ekblad (possibly) to that list now.

I hope we stand a chance at getting Kulemin or Steve Ott in the offseason, but I won't hold my breath.

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#78 Lochenzo
November 14 2013, 10:07AM
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One coaching move I am curious about is why we haven't seen Hall, RNH and Eberle together more frequently and for an extended period of time. Putting that line together has pulled this team out of the fire in the past. This should be an especially obvious move given the number of goose eggs this team has laid over the past few weeks.

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#79 Walter Sobchak
November 14 2013, 10:14AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Too many coaches have been turfed. Even if Eakins does a few things that I disagree with, he isn't the problem. In fact, changing coaches every year likely IS one of the major problems. So if I'm the Oilers then I'm sticking with Eakins.

What I WOULD do is fire Bucky and Smith then give Eakins Carte Blanche to hire the staff he needs to be successful. These ex Oilers have survived a couple coaching changes. It's ridiculous.

You honestly believe Eakins has full authority in decision making?

Then explain why players such as Gagner - Schultz - Hall - Eberle - have not sat one minute, even benched a period?

Ether Eakins is talking out his ass about accountability or he was told to keep playing certain players.

Not to mention his systems have failed both offensively and defensively, poor player decisions, poor PK, poor PP, poor goalie decisions, he was actually bullied into letting his backup goalie return to the net.

His shot differential is league worse, his goal for and goals against are the worst. THIS IS the worst Oiler team ever!!!! That says a lot when Pat Flippen Quinn is a better coach!!!!!

What actually qualifies this guy as a good coach? What qualifies him as a coach that should stay? Has he earned the right to stay!

MacTavish made a poor decision, it’s that easy, that simple.

It is the coach, keeping him in doesn’t make the team better!!

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#80 Stack Pad Save
November 14 2013, 05:43PM
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Stack Pad Save wrote:

I will tell you what it accomplishes. It starts accountability. Accountability always starts at the top.

If you are an employee and you think your boss is lazy, it is an excuse for you to be lazy. If you think your boss is incompetant than you don't have trust that your job will run as smooth as possible.

So you ask and I will tell you. The NHL is a gate driven league that answers to the fans, and the fans need to believe that the person running the ships isn't going to steer the ship into the rocks....guess what the Oilers are on the rocks and have been for some time and the man steering the ship is Keven Lowe. Fire him!

Despise Oilers fans. Fans care, and "Oilers" fans care enough to go and pay for overpriced tickets and overpriced food with hard earned dollars. So why can't they demand accountability. They pay to watch, they should get entertainment value for their dollar and not the same weak teams year after year with the exact same problems. A super weak D, small forwards and a lack of urgency game in and game out. A fan who is "intelligent" can see this and can demand change. Because the man in charge year after year and who is not correcting the same problems is KEVIN LOWE.

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#81 Overwatchedandunderpaid
November 14 2013, 08:01PM
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As awful as this sound i hope the oilers continue on this downward spiral. I have to hope that katz has to do something if things dont start to change. However, if we start to win every second game but still find are self well out of competing for a spot the oil brass will not change and everything will stay the same. It is time for a big, BOLD change.

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#82 Rod from Viking
November 14 2013, 10:10AM
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@vetinari

Renny also showed some emotion on the bench.

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#83 Lawndemon
November 14 2013, 10:32AM
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@DSF

No. No I have not...

... and I have (sadly) watched every game this year.

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#84 Hangin@Bangin
November 14 2013, 10:51AM
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Well I don't think anyone in Oil Country can honestly say they wouldn't like to see Dallas Eakins standing in line at the local unemployment office, but with that I agree with the sensible thought that a move like that may be a bit brash 20 games into a season. Eakins new "swarm" style defence seems to "swarm" defenders in any area where the oppostion aren't, resulting in A+ scoring chances being offered up like those "working girl" business cards you get on a Vegas street corner. What's more alarming than the defensive woes is that a power play last season under a skepticized Kruger was one of the best in the league and now is a dismal laugher that has no opposition fearful of taking a trip to the sin bin. I understand that the transition to the NHL can't be easy and that taking on a new group of players and getting them to share your vision would be a challenge to say the least, but taking most every statistical area of the game and going in the exact opposite direction must be a red flag of some sort. It's not hard to see he's a man under the gun whose running out of options but at some point the stubborness in ones head has to be overcome by sense and rationality. Eakins must be willing to comprimise as much as he expects his players too and coach to there strengths not his.

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#85 Fresh Mess
November 14 2013, 11:03AM
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This is hilarious. You guys couldn't get Renney out of here fast enough, now all of a sudden you love the guy. Renney is perfectly suited for his current role. His record as a head coach is underwhelming.

Now Nelson is the answer. He'd be the shiny new toy for about ten games and then you would all be burning him in effigy just like Eakins.

Steve Smith has not be a constant through all of this losing. Smith was not part of Looselips MacT or Quinn's staffs.

And yes, Katz has obviously given the order to reduce payroll. I don't blame him, as spending to the cap has resulted in laughingstock last place teams. What's troubling is Looselips chose Smid's contract to dump first, for a puny return.

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#86 Spydyr
November 14 2013, 11:04AM
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#165 Spydyr September 18 2013, 07:05AM

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Eakins will make it all better. Just like the three coaches in three years before him. It is different this time.

Enjoy your kool-aid.

Unless the players buy in Eakinis will be gone in short order also.

Read the whole thread if you have time.

http://oilersnation.com/2013/9/17/gdb-6-jetting-to-winnipeg

Some people saw this coming.

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#87 **
November 14 2013, 11:09AM
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Compare Colorado and Edmonton. VEry similar make up, similar shortcomings up to last season. BOth rookie coaches. What is making the difference?, if that answer can be adequately answered then the Oilers can begin to turn this around.

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#88 Puck_In_Throat
November 14 2013, 11:25AM
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Honestly, I believe the problem is not just the mentality that was expressed by Lowe in his infamous "Six-Rings" tirade, but also the (unrecognized) naivete that accompanies such a statement.

KLowe: "I've won 6 cups as a player, how hard can it be to be a GM?"

MacT: "I've coached in the NHL, how hard can it be to be a GM?"

UMM actually, it is REALLY HARD. Very few GMs have perennial success. Some, however, like Detroit's GM Ken Holland, have spawned a succession of great GMs. Jim Nill (Dallas is doing pretty well). Steve Yzerman (Tampa Bay).

Here are your three candidates:

Candidate A worked as a the head pro scout for a decade with an NHL team, then in the front office of another NHL team for 6 years, then headed that NHL team as GM for seven years. He was then hired by his current team.

Candidate B has worked with the same organization for 30 years (in hockey operations), becoming GM in his 14th year with the organization

Candidate C coached in the NHL for a number of years, then was unemployed for a few years, then coached in the AHL for two years. Candidate C then worked for one year in the front office of an organization before being hired as the GM.

Which Candidate is our GM?

And we wonder why we suck.

Answer: C. Candidate A is Dean Lombardi, Candidate B is Ken Holland, and Candidate C is MacT.

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#89 2004Z06
November 14 2013, 12:11PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

You honestly believe Eakins has full authority in decision making?

Then explain why players such as Gagner - Schultz - Hall - Eberle - have not sat one minute, even benched a period?

Ether Eakins is talking out his ass about accountability or he was told to keep playing certain players.

Not to mention his systems have failed both offensively and defensively, poor player decisions, poor PK, poor PP, poor goalie decisions, he was actually bullied into letting his backup goalie return to the net.

His shot differential is league worse, his goal for and goals against are the worst. THIS IS the worst Oiler team ever!!!! That says a lot when Pat Flippen Quinn is a better coach!!!!!

What actually qualifies this guy as a good coach? What qualifies him as a coach that should stay? Has he earned the right to stay!

MacTavish made a poor decision, it’s that easy, that simple.

It is the coach, keeping him in doesn’t make the team better!!

So how many games do you give the next coach? The one after that?

The carousel needs to stop sometime! I would wager that this coach is going to get a fair bit of rope and players that are "un-coachable" will be moved instead.

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#90 DoubleDIon
November 14 2013, 12:15PM
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LOIL99 wrote:

Half the moves you mentioned were good moves!!

Penner scored 20+ goals in 3 of 4 years on the Oilers.

Pronger got us, almost singlehandedly, to Game 7 of SCF. And then demanded a trade.

Glencross wanted too much money, he signed for less in Calgary.

He drafted Eberle, Gagner, Petry, Hemsky...

Don't get me wrong, I think Lowe needs to move on, but your examples of reasons why are hilarious.

I was talking about the return on Pronger in the Anaheim deal, not the St. Louis one.

Penner cost significant assets.

Glencross wanted a 1.4 million dollar one way deal. Easy signing.

Eberle, Gagner, Petry and Hemsky are part of the problem. Not part of the solution. Petry is an overpaid #5 on a decent team. The other guys are not 200 foot players. Eberle was good value where we drafted him, but is the poster boy for what's wrong with this team. Hall and RNH are keepers. I'd be dealing Eberle and Yakupov(wouldn't deal Yak right now).

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#91 Clarko
November 14 2013, 12:17PM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Well, if you're cherry picking items from Lowe's tenure as GM, then you should also include the trade to get Pronger from the Blues, the trade to get Roloson, the trade to get Visnovsky, etc.

However, as I stated, what EXACTLY has he done as a President, that has effected the Oilers roster and results in a negative way. Not his comments, not his demeanor, just his actions as President! I'm not saying there isn't any, but I'd like to hear exact details rather than speculations because your frustrated and want to stomp your feet because your hard earned money bought a jersey.

So go ahead, someone inform me. I want to hear it!

I look at the overall record of this team while he has been Coach/GM/President and it is not good. Yes, they had one very good run in 2006, but in 12/13 seasons with Lowe, this team didn't win playoff round...and they have missed the playoffs 8 times in 12 seasons.

Is that all Lowe's fault...probably not. But leadership needs to be held accountable. Would a CEO of a company not be held accountable for the actions of the people he hired...especially over a 13 year span?

The truth is nobody knows EXACTLY what Lowe has done unless your are within an organization. All we can judge is the overall performance of the product while he has been part of the organization. The results are not good and getting worse...

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#92 RealFakeDiesel
November 14 2013, 02:25PM
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Also, i had a dream where the Oilers were down 3 nothing but Mid game Mactavish came out of the zamboni gate waving to the crowd walking towards the bench and stood next to Dallas leading the Oilers on to victory

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#93 Zarny
November 14 2013, 04:05PM
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pkam wrote:

One thing I notice in the past 3 years and is still happening.

We lose at least 80% of puck battle along the board.

Not sure if this is the coach's fault but it definitely has nothing to do with the system. In fact, Eakins explained his Swarm defense system in one of his practice presser, 'It is basically a standard D zone coverage, but when one of our player pinch the puck carrier along the board, another player will jump in to take away the puck.'. Basically, it is a system design to address our failure to win the puck battle along the board. Unfortunately, we lose those battle even with 2 on 1 most of the time, especially in our D zone. of course, it is again the coach's fault.

The average NHL forward is 6'1" 205 lbs.

Every single top 6 F is currently smaller than average.

Gazdic, Joensuu and MacIntyre are the ONLY Oiler forwards bigger than average.

Small forwards and losing puck battles are directly related.

When you're talking about professional athletes with 8% body fat 10 lbs is a lot let alone the 20-25 lbs Oiler forwards routinely give up against opposing F and D.

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#94 madjam
November 14 2013, 05:15PM
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Venting on site is good for fans , as they get their frustration out of their systems and still remain hockey fans . If they all held it inside they might give up hockey all together . Teams a reflection of management , and right now it is not looking good or very optimistic .

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#95 Stack Pad Save
November 14 2013, 05:39PM
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GregDonaldson wrote:

Answer me this angry Oilers fans...

Tell me exactly what it accomplishes by firing Kevin Lowe?

Do you honestly think all of the team's struggles and problems will magically be cured as soon as Lowe is turfed?

You so badly need your scapegoat and your pound of flesh that you don't care how ridiculous you all sound.

Firing Lowe solves nothing, he is not going anywhere, GET OVER IT.

Go back to booing Yakupov and chase him out of town just as you did with Jason Arnott among others. The typical Oilers fan will want that "spoiled brat" Yakupov ran out of town on the first thing smoking but those same exact typical Oilers fans will lament how they don't have and need a sniper like Yakupov when he is gone.

I love the Oilers, I despise most other Oiler fans, you give the rest of us a bad name. Yes I am talking to you the ones who would yell shoot at Hemsky when he wasn't even in a position to shoot. The ones who said Horcoff was useless. The ones who bashed Penner while he was here and wanted him bought out but then turned around and complained that his trade return wasn't enough. The ones who live to bitch, whine and complain about every little thing.

I will tell you what it accomplishes. It starts accountability. Accountability always starts at the top.

If you are an employee and you think your boss is lazy, it is an excuse for you to be lazy. If you think your boss is incompetant than you don't have trust that your job will run as smooth as possible.

So you ask and I will tell you. The NHL is a gate driven league that answers to the fans, and the fans need to believe that the person running the ships isn't going to steer the ship into the rocks....guess what the Oilers are on the rocks and have been for some time and the man steering the ship is Keven Lowe. Fire him!

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#96 Randaman
November 14 2013, 05:57PM
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nick wrote:

Hey, remember that 5 year old kid that yelled at Eakins "You Suck" He was right, give that kid a prize.

And people wonder why kids today have no respect. They have been learning from people like you obviously. Grow up

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#97 Walter Sobchak
November 14 2013, 06:53PM
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Bleak Winter wrote:

It's probably not going to get better under Eakins, but it's not going to get better under any of the stop-gaps we could replace him with either. That's what we're limited to now. Stop-gaps.

Who is your ideal coach to right the ship? Now explain how does that guy even want this job? We aren't in a position to hire a saviour-level coach here. We fire Eakins and I guarantee you that we get either Buchberger or Smith as interim head coach. Do you want that? Absolutely best case scenario MacT steps back in. Todd Nelson would be smarter to stay in Oklahoma and wait for a real NHL team to poach him.

The guy who would take this job now is likely not a guy who is capable of leading us out of this on his own. Anybody who is good enough has much better options for their career.

Good points.

I can't honestly know what Katz is thinking, I admit it would be pure speculation I think I can break it down a bit, fired the coaches, didn't work, fired the GM, didn't work, haven't fired the POHO or his buddies.... Personally I don't think anybody survives the next purge.

Your right MacTavish going back behind the bench won't work, nor would Smith or Bucky.

I said 3 years ago that Brent Sutter should have been here to mould those kids, his record working with kids is undeniable.

The whole thing needs to come down, and your right, just changing the coach won't help in the short term, but is that fair to the fans, the coach and the team?

We haven't even played the top western conference teams yet, just middle soft Eastern teams.

The Oilers haven't even begun to lose yet! We as fans are in for a whole new version of suck.

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#98 pkam
November 14 2013, 10:09AM
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@Rick

I don't think Todd Nelson will be interested to be an NHL assistant coach. He had been a NHL assistant coach with the Trashers. I believe he'll rather be an AHL head coach and waiting for that NHL head coach job.

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#99 Alsker
November 14 2013, 10:40AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

JW all those coaches were already successful at some point in there careers before they had bad starts. Eakins has no sample size.

I don't care how many coaches have been through here!!

Eakins cannot be allowed to continue this gong show!!

Two 5-3 and he never put Yakupov on one! The guy is holding a grudge, how do you not put the purest shooter on a 5-3??

It cost the Oilers the game!!!

He hasn’t done very much right since he got the job.

Allowing this to continue is going to cost MacTavish and Lowe their jobs, in the interest of self-preservation I would fire Eakins after the San Jose game in which the Oilers get throttled 6-1, if MacTavish has any kind of foresight

I like your optimism, 6-1 Sharks. You mean we actually score a goal, nice. Doubt a coaching change, system or strategy adjustment will make any difference. There has been a black cloud over this team ever since kBlowe went chasing tier 1 players(Hossa,Heatley) and turned his back on guys like Stoll and GlenX.

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#100 Loweblows
November 14 2013, 11:06AM
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I usually spend ten minutes watching a game on PVR in the man cave then lie to my wife sio I play the new Battlefield 4. That way I can vent my frustrations for 2 hours and twenty minutes before going upstairs and saying that everything is ok. I sure miss the day of watching real hockey in real time. What is better Battlefield 4 hit trash or Call of Duty hit like.

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