The Coach

Jonathan Willis
November 14 2013 09:32AM

On virtually any other NHL team, Dallas Eakins would be out of a job right now. A 4-14-2 start is a fireable offence for most NHL teams, but here Eakins has a protective barrier formed by the ghosts of Criag MacTavish and Pat Quinn and Tom Renney and Ralph Krueger.

The Path Forward

It isn’t too early to think about firing the coach. It’s just too early to actually fire the coach. Edmonton has fired coaches so many times without results (on that note, wouldn’t it be nice to go back two years and let Tom Renney keep coaching the team?) and it’s time to go a different route.

This is one of the things Craig MacTavish is here for. In previous years, Steve Tambellini proved remarkably unwilling to address simple team needs (such as fourth line centre). MacTavish is already one up on Tambellini because he’s been willing to try plugging in minor leaguers (recall Mark Arcobello rotting on the farm while Chris VandeVelde and Ryan Smyth failed as fourth line centres) but that’s not enough.

It’s trade time. And not a ‘move Ladislav Smid for futures’ trade. A trade that actually brings in NHL talent. Maybe it’s a defenceman who can play in the top-three. Maybe it’s a big forward who can play in the top-six. Maybe it’s a good third-line wing so that Boyd Gordon doesn’t have to drag around Jesse Joensuu and Ryan Jones. I don’t know what’s out there, or how much what’s out there costs to acquire; I do know that this team isn’t getting the job done and Dallas Eakins seems like he’s out of answers.

Normally, when the coach is out of answers the coach pays the price. In this case, so many other coaches have been out of answers that it’s time to try giving the man behind the bench some different pieces.

Lousy NHL Debuts

Some very good coaches have had some very bad starts to their careers, generally because opportunity arises with bad (or expansion) teams. Here’s a brief list of some very good coaches who started out on the wrong foot:

  • Scotty Bowman: 4-13-2 with St. Louis
  • Dick Irvin: 2-6-4 with Chicago
  • Ron Wilson: 4-13-2 with Anaheim
  • Lindy Ruff: 5-10-4 with Buffalo
  • Ken Hitchcock: 10-18-8 with Dallas

Naturally, I’m not saying ‘oh man, Dallas Eakins is Scotty Bowman!’ That would be crazy. What I am saying is that it’s possible that the Oilers will end up benefiting from their (essentially) forced patience with Eakins. Of course, it’s just as possible that 20 games from now nothing has changed and Eakins is out the door, but it’s at least plausible that the coach can right the ship.

So, About That Trade…

It has to be coming, and it has to be meaningful.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#151 A-Mc
November 14 2013, 12:57PM
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I hope we lose the next 2 games in shutout fashion.

I share the same sentiment of a prior post: We need to absolutely STINK STINK STINK before something finally gets done.

I thought MacT's moves over the summer were good. Perron and Ference were definitely a step in the right direction! He needs to put a few more good ones together before we start to see some success. At this rate, we are a lock for last place in the league: HELLO 1st overall!

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#152 Hangin@Bangin
November 14 2013, 12:58PM
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@Impartial Oilers Fan

Is this Kevin Lowe? Only Kevin could defend his revolting decisions that have put his team in the sewer ( thanks for pointing that out Brian Burke), who hit the nail on the head I must say. Yes that Visnovsky trade was stellar hey? We gave up Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene to eventually get Ryan Whitney & Brandon Davidson both of whom you will never see in the NHL again one never even came closing to cracking the big dance, Davidson making a career with 40 AHL games. I hope your just trolling for a response from the fans of the Oilers because if you are serious you make me sick. Excuse me while I go vomit.

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#153 Mike Krushelnyski
November 14 2013, 01:26PM
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rickithebear wrote:

eakins system does not provide pressure on the funnel shoting area around the net. Draw a line from goal posts thru centers of the face off dots. it creates a funnel. then step out in 10 foot curved intervals 0-10 feet; 10-20 feet; 20-30 feet; >30.

the last two seasons 2011 to 2013 our team was all shots 7.93% 0-10 16% 10-20 12.5% 20-30 8.7% >30 4.2%

this year under Eakins All 11.9% 0-10 23.5% 10-20 22.2% 20-30 18.4% >30 4.8%

we saw a definite decline in results from our vets.

Smid 12-13 kruger All 7.5% 0-10 10.9% 10-20 9.6% 20-30 6.7% >30 6.3%

13-1 4Aekins All 13.15 0-10 36.4% 10-20 21.7% 20-30 27.3% >30 4.2%

Petry 11-12 All 6.9% 0-10 11.3% 10-20 11.4% 20-30 6.3% >30 4.7%

13-14 All 13.1% 0-10 21.4% 10-20 19.4% 20-30 20.7% >30 7.6%

we miss having Fistri cand potter

Fistric All 4.8% 0-10 10.5% 10-20 13.9% 20-30 0% >30 2.7%

Potter All 4.2% 0-10 23.5% 10-20 9.6% 20-30 2.1% >30 2.2% these guys pressured anything outside 10FT.

i thought it might be Goaltending, but N. schultz stood out! He choose not to pressure out side the funnel and staid with tried and true MIN play. you shall protect in front of the net. Not a box. The funnel. He has been penalized with reduced minutes. But results say it all. N. schultz 13-14 all 5.65 0-10 9.1% 10-20 8.1% 20-30 4.1% >30 4.25 just for reference

S. weber last year. Who has Rhinne All 7.15 0-10 12.2 10-20 14.4 20-30 9.3% >30 3%

No better than Smid & petry last year.

Chnge the system Aekins

Newagesys?! is that you?

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#154 Cynic
November 14 2013, 01:38PM
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The Oilers would be playing much better hockey if only the didn't have to toil in such an outmoded barn. I'm positive things will be better with a new arena.

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#155 Dave
November 14 2013, 01:50PM
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This is amazing. There are only two times that Oilers Nation will get this much traffic and exposure. One: suck to the great beyond which they are doing. Or, two: win the cup. I really, really hope that the folks running this site are fully seeing the business opportunity and potential to captivate more widespread audience and take this site to the next level with the crazy # of hits they HAVE TO be getting. This thread is incredible when it comes to potential ad sales.

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#156 Kevin
November 14 2013, 02:17PM
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dave wrote:

Eakins was given a 3 yr contract. He's not going anywhere.

actually 4 years....and are'nt they still paying Renny ? and oh ya Tambellini management is a complete JOKE. Mac T says he would like to add a top pairing D but he his not ready to trade any part of the skilled core ?? is this the same skilled core which hasn't scored a goal at home in the last 3 games. Is this the same skilled core that's part of the worst start in Team history. Help me out here just trying to understand what the GENERAL MANAGER of an NHL team is saying here. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Actually the longer these $40 Million dollar skilled players go without actually doing anything on the ice the less value they have.

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#157 Dave2
November 14 2013, 02:22PM
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Bleak Winter wrote:

It's probably not going to get better under Eakins, but it's not going to get better under any of the stop-gaps we could replace him with either. That's what we're limited to now. Stop-gaps.

Who is your ideal coach to right the ship? Now explain how does that guy even want this job? We aren't in a position to hire a saviour-level coach here. We fire Eakins and I guarantee you that we get either Buchberger or Smith as interim head coach. Do you want that? Absolutely best case scenario MacT steps back in. Todd Nelson would be smarter to stay in Oklahoma and wait for a real NHL team to poach him.

The guy who would take this job now is likely not a guy who is capable of leading us out of this on his own. Anybody who is good enough has much better options for their career.

MacT can be the coach.

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#158 Pucker
November 14 2013, 02:33PM
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I can't believe Eakins is saddled with Smith and Bucky. If they aren't working appropriately under his guidance, he must have the authority to fire them. If that's not the case, then he made a really silly decision in taking the job.

I don't know if I support Eakins but he is a rookie coach that was introduced to the league with lousy goaltending and a bunch of players with little experience.

I'm as frustrated as anyone but the season is shot. Perhaps they can eventually get a respectful streak going. Maybe not but might as well give Eakins more rope.

. . . that being said, I'm sure glad I don't own season tickets. I do get to quite a few games but I'm not wasting my time and money till they start to look like they can turn it around.

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#159 pkam
November 14 2013, 10:16AM
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Ultimate Warrior wrote:

Assistant GM from Pittsburgh is available for hire. I would love to see Jason Botterill in Edmonton, since he understands what a winning team looks like.

Oh wait, doesn't meet criteria 1: Being an Old Oiler

Dallas Eakins is an Old Oiler?

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#160 Rama Lama
November 14 2013, 10:26AM
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It looks like Mac T threw the baby out with the bath water.........I'm certain it was not premeditated. He should have kept Krueger and brought in others to mark the x and o's.

It's not that Dallas Eakins does not have any potential.........just like bringing in young hockey players and teaching them the professional game so too should have Eakins........maybe an assistant coach to start off with?

We were all led to believe that he had multiple systems and it now appears he has NO systems.......or at least no NHL systems. HIs Ego, has prevented him from admitting he does not know what to do next.

Here is an idea Dallas, how about run-and-gun hockey. If we have all this offence, why try and teach them defence so we can win games 1 to 0 or 2 to 1? Since no players including the veterans can understand your systems, why not try something bold?

Bring on Brent Sutter as the coach and hire Wayne Gretzky as an advisor for offence.

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#161 birdieman
November 14 2013, 10:31AM
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Fire the Coach really how can any one make decisions with Lowe & mCtavish looking over his shoulder. I believe Tom Renny was not a yes man and had to go I along with many others feel it is time to let go of the 80's with X oiler players and start fresh they (Lowe) has added Messier to the fold as an advisor. Tom renny was very well liked by fans and players. This has gone on for to many years.

Frustrated

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#162 Mac962
November 14 2013, 10:54AM
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Mac962 wrote:

JW - Perhaps Eakins is given a longer rope, but how long do we wait until something is done with Bucky and Smith ? I mean come on, they were not Eakins first choice, he was saddled with them. IMO - If he accepts it or not, Todd Nelson deserves a promotion and perhaps could ride shot gun with Eakins as well. Nelson also works with the young guns and knows them pretty well from the OKC stint. That all aside, yes it is time to part with one of our darlings, too much of the same. Its time.

Forgot to mention -maybe the right coach was right under our noses all along in Nelson. Just maybe. Could he be worse ? I somehow doubt it. Eakins will learn but needs help right now - he is as green to this as Yak.

The AHL is not the NHL- the best league in the world.

Dont can him yet, it does wont get us to the promise land, but get him some proper help on the bench and give up one of the kids with a draft pick - this is the year to give it up if you are going to do it.

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#163 Spydyr
November 14 2013, 10:56AM
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pkam wrote:

Worst example.

Perhaps the tires were not flat but the wheel was cracked. You can keep replacing the tires and continue to get flat tires. Treating the symptom does not fix the problem.

We already know the wheel (Lowe) is cracked but that is not going to get fixed so you have to replace the tires. Or drive around on your rims 4-14.

Admit the mistake, fix it and move on.

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#164 pkam
November 14 2013, 11:01AM
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Mac962 wrote:

Forgot to mention -maybe the right coach was right under our noses all along in Nelson. Just maybe. Could he be worse ? I somehow doubt it. Eakins will learn but needs help right now - he is as green to this as Yak.

The AHL is not the NHL- the best league in the world.

Dont can him yet, it does wont get us to the promise land, but get him some proper help on the bench and give up one of the kids with a draft pick - this is the year to give it up if you are going to do it.

Both Eakins and Nelson have never been NHL head coach. Both had been NHL assistant coach then AHL head coach. Their resumes are basically the same. So how is Nelson any different than Eakins?

The only difference is MacT like Eakins more than Nelson. I don't know the reason, perhaps because MacT and Eakins have similar coaching philosophy?

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#165 Spydyr
November 14 2013, 11:05AM
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pkam wrote:

The result of your solution is another flat tire. Now the question is how often do we plan to replace the flat tire.

Ask Katz that.

It is his car.

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#166 Bloodsweatandoil
November 14 2013, 11:15AM
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I think Yaz is probably right; I bet the line in the sand gets drawn after the Calgary game, another national broadcast game. Calgary has fewer stars and talent than us, but plays a more complete, tougher and have a heart beat/system. (depending on the results playing Sharks and the Flames)

If both are bad losses, you would have to assume that the Oiler management shows that they have a heart beat to the season ticket holders and the sponsors.

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#167 tileguy
November 14 2013, 11:51AM
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** wrote:

Compare Colorado and Edmonton. VEry similar make up, similar shortcomings up to last season. BOth rookie coaches. What is making the difference?, if that answer can be adequately answered then the Oilers can begin to turn this around.

read the article, does a very good job of explaining. Mostly luck.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9973203/the-colorado-avalanche-edmonton-oilers-rebuilds/

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#168 VMR
November 14 2013, 12:51PM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Well, if you're cherry picking items from Lowe's tenure as GM, then you should also include the trade to get Pronger from the Blues, the trade to get Roloson, the trade to get Visnovsky, etc.

However, as I stated, what EXACTLY has he done as a President, that has effected the Oilers roster and results in a negative way. Not his comments, not his demeanor, just his actions as President! I'm not saying there isn't any, but I'd like to hear exact details rather than speculations because your frustrated and want to stomp your feet because your hard earned money bought a jersey.

So go ahead, someone inform me. I want to hear it!

He's the one who decided Tambellini was the right guy to turn the team around. That's one big failure.

He's the guy that decided to replace him with the inexperienced MacT who has managed to make the team worse.

Worst of all he's been in charge of this organization as it's floundered and crashed all the way down the standings and shows no sign of improvement since 2006.

Then consider it the other way round, what exactly has he done that show signs this team is getting in any way better? Can you name one?

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#169 pkam
November 14 2013, 01:44PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

At the time, their numbers weren't so good, Visnovsky's numbers weren't bad at the time, though the fact he was traded a day before his no trade clause went into effect is kind of funny/sad. I wouldn't call it a terrible trade by any means as at the time it was the Oil trying to get a player they needed. Visnovsky's numbers were a bit crap with the Oil as I'm guessing he didn't want to really be there. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't classify that as a good or bad trade at the time. Being really picky, trading for a player who didn't want to be traded was probably not the best move though.

I don't like that trade neither but I heard rumors that it was Stoll asking for a trade because his girlfriend refused to come to Edmonton.

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#170 vetinari
November 14 2013, 01:56PM
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Dave wrote:

This is amazing. There are only two times that Oilers Nation will get this much traffic and exposure. One: suck to the great beyond which they are doing. Or, two: win the cup. I really, really hope that the folks running this site are fully seeing the business opportunity and potential to captivate more widespread audience and take this site to the next level with the crazy # of hits they HAVE TO be getting. This thread is incredible when it comes to potential ad sales.

@ Dave-- don't go all "meta" on us and take us off our rants, complaints, laments, regrets, or miseries... please add at least one "fire [insert name]" into your post or "I love Lowe" or "I hate Lowe" to fit in...

By the way, the mod's would probably appreciate your enthusiasm and statement.

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#171 bdaZZler
November 14 2013, 02:35PM
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Usually not one to create trade offers but would this be a viable option for both teams:

Hemsky/N. Schultz/ 1st Rounder in 2014 in exchange for Simmonds/Coburn/Meszaros....

Time to overpay on some trades...I would love to see management overpay to pry Steve Ott out of Buffalo...Poor man version of Clarkson who we offered the world too a summer ago....

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#172 A-Mc
November 14 2013, 04:57PM
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Dog Train wrote:

Firing the coach is the easy way out. The problem is that Mactavish seems to think that he will be able to get what he needs without sacrificing one of his core guys. He mentioned today that he wants to turn the team over to the 8-9 guys that he's identified as the team's core. If we assume that Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Gagner (based on Mactavish's public praise for his 'character') and Justin Schultz form that core as well as acquisitions like Perron and Ference, there's not much left. Hemsky? Good luck getting more than draft picks or prospects for him at this point.

I think the major currency this year is that 1st round pick.. With the way this season is going, it could very likely end up being another 1st overall which would have tremendous value.

If we do pick 1st overall, our 2nd is basically a 1st round pick as well, so the 2nd has reasonable value.

I could see a number of guys being cut from the team just to shed contracts. Then our 1st rounder (1st overall?) + a decent prospect being flipped for that true top 4 D (likely not a #1, probably a 2/3 type guy).

Take the 2nd/3rd round picks and turn those into an over achieving 3rd line winger that has some size and Jam.

Goalies: i have no freakin clue what to do there...

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#173 Rama Lama
November 14 2013, 06:11PM
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@Zarny

A lot of people writing in are suggesting we have little talent or very top-end talent..........I would suggest we have the most talent but do not have the development mentality or systems to properly develop our talent.

I for one would have never allowed any of our top draft choices to play on the Oilers until they played at least on AHL season. Or better yet use the Detroit model and let the cream rise to the top and then on the basis of merit promote as needed.

THis way we would not have to develop players like Yaks in the bigs! By doing so we avoid what we have right now.........no progress, and continuous re-building.

Either was is painful but the Detroit model eventually you get to the promised land. With our model we have to wander in the desert for 40 years!

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#174 Mike Krushelnyski
November 14 2013, 10:32AM
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Last one out, turn off the lights. wrote:

Well. If this keeps up, the team will be playing in front of your said "ghosts".

I think available evidence points to the contrary. I would say it would take 5 more years of this horrendous suckage before you see attendance drop off, but factor in excitement over the new arena and it changes to 10.

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#175 -30-
November 14 2013, 10:32AM
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I don't see any bold moves until the trade deadline.

Our assests (players) are at an all time low. Why lose value on trades this early in the season when tradeable assets like Eberle will be worth substantially more to a team looking for his skills to make a playoff push?

The makeup of the team will change. It's been stated over and over again here that the top lines are too much of the same thing.

Eberle is gone before the season's end.

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#176 MB
November 14 2013, 10:46AM
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Time for a colorful metaphor????

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#177 oildrops
November 14 2013, 11:28AM
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If you learn from a loss you have not lost.

If we keep playing that way, the odds of the puck going in are going to be in our favour.

lets keep riding the wave of hair that is coach Dallas Eakins.

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#178 dave
November 14 2013, 11:38AM
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Eakins was given a 3 yr contract. He's not going anywhere.

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#179 pkam
November 14 2013, 01:14PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

Wow! It's ugly out there. Stay inside. Hell, get your ass in the storm shelter! The sky is pucking falling.

I think I'll risk it.

Is there a need for a trade. Yup, big hillbilly boy who can spell his own name, stands 7 feet tall and can play defence. That hasn't changed. But, at this point who and from where is completely speculative. So, lets not worry about what can't be controlled.

What can?

Effort. Can't teach that, though. It's something you need to find inside of yourself. You gotta dig deep and….. Man in the mirror. Right?

System. If your personnel can't do it, change the personnel or, hey, change the system to work within the parameters of the players you employ. Just a thought. But, many say it's not the issue. Me, not convinced. Work at it.

Lines and call-ups and demotions ARE something that can be controlled on a daily basis.

Jones and Acton on the demotion.

Call-up Eager and Lander.

I'd call up a D-man too, but there's no one.

Hall-RNH-Eberle They can do a lot. Was nice to see them back together for a spell last night.

Perron-Arcobello-Yakupov Arcobello is definitely growing on me every game. Smart kid and effort. Perron isn't quite back to early season form yet, but when he gets back he'll be a bad moe foe. That I love about him. Yak. Less b*tching. Just shut up and play…

Smyth-Gagner-Hemsky Lets see what happens….

Eager-Gordon-Lander Forecheck. Dig. Hit (Everyone needs to hit. Everyone!). Drive the net*.

*see last parenthesis and make the appropriate changes.

The defence: Throw out whatever you got and pray….

San Jose is going to expose a lot. Keep your eyes on the road. Remember that mirror thing.

One thing I notice in the past 3 years and is still happening.

We lose at least 80% of puck battle along the board.

Not sure if this is the coach's fault but it definitely has nothing to do with the system. In fact, Eakins explained his Swarm defense system in one of his practice presser, 'It is basically a standard D zone coverage, but when one of our player pinch the puck carrier along the board, another player will jump in to take away the puck.'. Basically, it is a system design to address our failure to win the puck battle along the board. Unfortunately, we lose those battle even with 2 on 1 most of the time, especially in our D zone. of course, it is again the coach's fault.

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#180 Johnnydapunk
November 14 2013, 01:32PM
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DoubleDIon wrote:

If you think the Visnovsky trade was good you're delusional. Stoll and Greene would be nice guys to have right now.

At the time, their numbers weren't so good, Visnovsky's numbers weren't bad at the time, though the fact he was traded a day before his no trade clause went into effect is kind of funny/sad. I wouldn't call it a terrible trade by any means as at the time it was the Oil trying to get a player they needed. Visnovsky's numbers were a bit crap with the Oil as I'm guessing he didn't want to really be there. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't classify that as a good or bad trade at the time. Being really picky, trading for a player who didn't want to be traded was probably not the best move though.

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#181 Johnnydapunk
November 14 2013, 01:52PM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Can any of you Lowe haters actually give any concrete evidence as to exactly what he has been responsible for in his tenure as President that has been so deplorable? Rather than, the Oilers suck, so obviously lets blame anything with a name to it; like the "Boys on the Bus" or the swarm defensive system.

Also, please explain what his job description and requirements are. Until, you can prove what he has done, while he was the President, compared to what Tambellini was responsible for during his tenure as GM, please quit making assumptions and accusations. It reeks of desperation, frustration and generally uninformed shouting at a scapegoat.

I can only point out that his own arrogance and I'm guessing the fact he seems to have pissed off a lot of other GMs which would make trading a bit difficult, I mean Burke was quoted as saying he wanted to rent a barn in Lake Placid and have a fight with Lowe, surely if one GM is willing to go that far, I don't know how friendly the other presidents and GMs would be. It's all speculation.

I think like a lot of people have mentioned here, it's his arrogance towards fans and media which seems unjustified as his tenure off the ice hasn't exactly been spectacular. I would think a change would be nice, as perhaps the Oilers relationships with other teams may improve. I'm only guessing though as I know it can't be an easy job and anyone who comes in will not have the time offered that Lowe has had as everyone is expecting magic to happen instantly which sadly won't happen.

The Oil needs more balance on their team, less "stars" and more plugs and grinders, players who can play and get the dirty goals, Ryan Smyth in his prime is a good example of the type of players the Oil can use right now.

I'm still on the fence regarding the defence, as they aren't being outshot that often, seems like 20-30 shots a game other teams are getting, and with that if there is a goalie who let's in 9 out of 10 shots that means that other teams would score 2-2.5 goals a game which is reasonable.

Sorry if it comes out all ranty on you, I may have gone all off topic and just verbally diarhhea-ed all over you, but I'm hoping you got my gist of it all :-)

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#182 Johnnydapunk
November 14 2013, 01:55PM
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pkam wrote:

I don't like that trade neither but I heard rumors that it was Stoll asking for a trade because his girlfriend refused to come to Edmonton.

Ah so, I wasn't aware of that, I know Visnovsky didn't want to be traded, and if Stoll wanted a trade, then it wasn't terrible by any means, I guess it kind of sucked to be Visnovsky at that time (despite him getting paid crazy amounts to play a game I love)

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#183 Bleak Winter
November 14 2013, 01:59PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

The idea that it's going to get better under Eakins is just terrible foresight, this record is compiled under playing mostly Eastern based teams, there schedule is going to be mostly the tougher western conference from here on out.

Do you have any idea how badly they have been out played against the west teams? 10-1 goal ratio, 107 + shots to 50 or so in THREE games!!

So you want to keep a coach in that can't clearly coach at this level? But you’re willing to move Eberle -Hall - Yakupov - Schultz - Gagner - Jones - because they became un-coachable under Eakins??

You can’t trade half the team and your only stars.

This is the worst Oiler team ever.......EVER!! thats a ringing endorcment of the coach, not the players.

It's probably not going to get better under Eakins, but it's not going to get better under any of the stop-gaps we could replace him with either. That's what we're limited to now. Stop-gaps.

Who is your ideal coach to right the ship? Now explain how does that guy even want this job? We aren't in a position to hire a saviour-level coach here. We fire Eakins and I guarantee you that we get either Buchberger or Smith as interim head coach. Do you want that? Absolutely best case scenario MacT steps back in. Todd Nelson would be smarter to stay in Oklahoma and wait for a real NHL team to poach him.

The guy who would take this job now is likely not a guy who is capable of leading us out of this on his own. Anybody who is good enough has much better options for their career.

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#184 A-Mc
November 14 2013, 04:45PM
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bdaZZler wrote:

Usually not one to create trade offers but would this be a viable option for both teams:

Hemsky/N. Schultz/ 1st Rounder in 2014 in exchange for Simmonds/Coburn/Meszaros....

Time to overpay on some trades...I would love to see management overpay to pry Steve Ott out of Buffalo...Poor man version of Clarkson who we offered the world too a summer ago....

Hemsky is a UFA right quick here, N.Schultz is expiring, but the 1st rounder might end up being a 1st overall.

Unless Philly makes the playoffs, Hemsky is useless to them, so we're talking N. Schultz and 1st for Simmonds/coburn/mesz. I think you could probably get Coburn for that, and ONLY if it's a 1st overall could you even attempt to squeeze Simmonds out too but i doubt it would happen unless Philly was desperate. Philly recently spanked a team 5-0 and just beat PIT last night 2-1.. Philly is likely feeling pretty good right now.

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#185 birdieman
November 15 2013, 03:36PM
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@Chainsawz

The only one that can fire Low eis Katz and that will not happen. Still living in the past with these Old Oiler's is the problem.

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#186 tileguy
November 14 2013, 11:04AM
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The_CWD_GarbageMan wrote:

Biggest thing is the team mentality. On paper like it said, D was supposed to be better (ie. lets say the Avalanche).

But Roy he comes in and instills his culture (Or Psychotic need to be better than everyone else).

Started Day one after he emasculated Boudreau.

Dubnyk was just expected to be his numbers of years past as far as im concerned. .920 sp. Who can argue with that? With a better d in front of him apparently it mean only more W’s. Sadly. Our sense of defensive coverage is all but lost. That and he sucks this year.

Sorry. Klowe, Mac T and them all need to go. It’s the only thing I can see man. Talk about needing more grit, we get rid of smid and brown. We need guys who can play and have the ability to be tough to play against. A guy who can give Eberle more room and complement his game. Here we have four talented players with absolutely no space and they’re ripe for the pickings. Pat Kane has Bickell on his line.

But hey, there are smaller teams out there getting it done, and it comes down to hunger and responsibility and you just don’t see it.

Great Article on Grantland for those who haven't read it yet.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9973203/the-colorado-avalanche-edmonton-oilers-rebuilds/

Just some Scattershot Thoughts courtesy of your pissy CWD Garbage Man.

I urge everyone to read the grantland article. It clearly explains what is happening. I feel we just need to tweak this team with some size.

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#187 Walter Sobchak
November 14 2013, 11:19AM
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Alsker wrote:

I like your optimism, 6-1 Sharks. You mean we actually score a goal, nice. Doubt a coaching change, system or strategy adjustment will make any difference. There has been a black cloud over this team ever since kBlowe went chasing tier 1 players(Hossa,Heatley) and turned his back on guys like Stoll and GlenX.

This^

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#188 Oilcan
November 14 2013, 11:35AM
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I might have sounded to pro-Eakins there so here is my critique: I still don't get the PP and why the coaching staff hasn't changed this is but why they put a left handed shot at the point with yak on the right half wall, it takes away the easy one time pass and makes it so easy to defend because the left hand shot has a terrible passing angle. They double shifted Larsen and he made a nice easy pass for a one time goal. I won't start about yak being in the first PP unit but if they keep the units the same that should be the change. I think they should also move RNH to the other half wall with ebs on the goal line and hall on the right half wall, ebs has great hands to make the dish from down low and Hall would have more space to charge the net for rebounds. My two cents on the PP.

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#189 pkam
November 14 2013, 12:43PM
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tileguy wrote:

I urge everyone to read the grantland article. It clearly explains what is happening. I feel we just need to tweak this team with some size.

After finish reading that article, a few things come to my mind.

If Eakins, an AHL head coach with previous NHL assistant coach experience is not capable to be a NHL head coach, how can Roy, a CHL head coach without any NHL assistant coach experience capable to be a NHL head coach?

I compare the goalie SV% for the past 3 years. Dubnyk is 0.916, 0.914 and 0.920. Labarbera is 0.909, 0.912 and and 0.923. Varlamov is 0.924, 0.913 and 0.903. Giguere is 0.900, 0.918 and 0.908. Dubnyk and Labarbera have been slowly improving. Varlamov is slowly regressing and Giguere is being inconsistent. So which pair will you pick before the season started? Unless I have a crystal ball, I'll pick Dubnyk and Labarbera 10 out of 10 times.

Colorado definitely wins the 3 top 3 picks. 2009 is not a deep draft year but still better than 2010. And no prospects in the last 5 years can match the top 4 prospects this year. I think it is a bit of luck that you draft high in an exceptionally good draft year.

If MacT hired Roy instead of Eakins, the situation in Oils nation will be even uglier than now. If we were 14-3-0, everyone here will be praising MacT, just like 2 years ago when Khabibulin stopped everything and Eberle had nearly 20% shooting percentage, and we started the season with 20 points in 14 games.

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#190 jr_christ
November 14 2013, 04:40PM
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Anyone know of a good place where one can go and drown their hockey-related sorrows away?

I wish we were a better team :)

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#191 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
November 14 2013, 10:10PM
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Didn't the Oilers ship their 2nd round pick this year to St. Louis in the Perron deal?

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#192 Burnward
November 15 2013, 02:41AM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

On an incredibly lighter note that could offer a good few seconds of a mild smile, I have managed to find an Oiler team that is number one so far in the standings!! 9 games in they are 7-2

Oilers Number One in Chinese Hockey!!

No idea how I found that :-)

Best league in the world.

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#193 m
November 15 2013, 06:06AM
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outdoorzguy wrote:

"Bold Moves" or "Consequences"??

Consequences? Isn't Kavis Reed looking for a job? Now that would be a bold move.

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#194 LOIL99
November 15 2013, 10:45AM
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DoubleDIon wrote:

I was talking about the return on Pronger in the Anaheim deal, not the St. Louis one.

Penner cost significant assets.

Glencross wanted a 1.4 million dollar one way deal. Easy signing.

Eberle, Gagner, Petry and Hemsky are part of the problem. Not part of the solution. Petry is an overpaid #5 on a decent team. The other guys are not 200 foot players. Eberle was good value where we drafted him, but is the poster boy for what's wrong with this team. Hall and RNH are keepers. I'd be dealing Eberle and Yakupov(wouldn't deal Yak right now).

Oh so you cherry picked the trading away of Pronger when Lowe's back was completely against the wall because of a trade demand, and ignored the trade to bring him in that got Oil to SCF game 7. Gotcha...

Your "Penner cost significant assets" comment is pretty vague, but since its simply not true, I understand why you were vague.

Kings picked J Shultz with one of the picks and he defected to us anyways. And kings sure as hell didn't get any 20+ goal scorers with the other picks (one was used to get Marc Andre Bergeron from NYI haha).

Oilers easily wont the Penner offer sheet. Sorry about using facts to backup my argument. I know vague claims are a much easier to tool.

And if you think Petry isn't at least top 4 pairing dman on ANY NHL team, then you are simply too down on this team to think straight.

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#195 Gary Shok
November 16 2013, 09:57PM
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GregDonaldson wrote:

Answer me this angry Oilers fans...

Tell me exactly what it accomplishes by firing Kevin Lowe?

Do you honestly think all of the team's struggles and problems will magically be cured as soon as Lowe is turfed?

You so badly need your scapegoat and your pound of flesh that you don't care how ridiculous you all sound.

Firing Lowe solves nothing, he is not going anywhere, GET OVER IT.

Go back to booing Yakupov and chase him out of town just as you did with Jason Arnott among others. The typical Oilers fan will want that "spoiled brat" Yakupov ran out of town on the first thing smoking but those same exact typical Oilers fans will lament how they don't have and need a sniper like Yakupov when he is gone.

I love the Oilers, I despise most other Oiler fans, you give the rest of us a bad name. Yes I am talking to you the ones who would yell shoot at Hemsky when he wasn't even in a position to shoot. The ones who said Horcoff was useless. The ones who bashed Penner while he was here and wanted him bought out but then turned around and complained that his trade return wasn't enough. The ones who live to bitch, whine and complain about every little thing.

Are you kidding me?? Firing Lowe will solve everything. You must be from the existing terrible Oilers organization.

We are the worst franchise in Sports. We have been the joke of the NHL over the last 5 years. Are you kidding me?

Even if you tried, you couldn't put together a worse team.

A defense core that barely belongs in the NHL. Not one d man that can move the puck up. The same type of offensive players that remain up ice rather than playing defense.

Rookie players, rookie GM, rookie coach, wtf! Get some proven assets. You are an idiot

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