The Coach

Jonathan Willis
November 14 2013 09:32AM

On virtually any other NHL team, Dallas Eakins would be out of a job right now. A 4-14-2 start is a fireable offence for most NHL teams, but here Eakins has a protective barrier formed by the ghosts of Criag MacTavish and Pat Quinn and Tom Renney and Ralph Krueger.

The Path Forward

It isn’t too early to think about firing the coach. It’s just too early to actually fire the coach. Edmonton has fired coaches so many times without results (on that note, wouldn’t it be nice to go back two years and let Tom Renney keep coaching the team?) and it’s time to go a different route.

This is one of the things Craig MacTavish is here for. In previous years, Steve Tambellini proved remarkably unwilling to address simple team needs (such as fourth line centre). MacTavish is already one up on Tambellini because he’s been willing to try plugging in minor leaguers (recall Mark Arcobello rotting on the farm while Chris VandeVelde and Ryan Smyth failed as fourth line centres) but that’s not enough.

It’s trade time. And not a ‘move Ladislav Smid for futures’ trade. A trade that actually brings in NHL talent. Maybe it’s a defenceman who can play in the top-three. Maybe it’s a big forward who can play in the top-six. Maybe it’s a good third-line wing so that Boyd Gordon doesn’t have to drag around Jesse Joensuu and Ryan Jones. I don’t know what’s out there, or how much what’s out there costs to acquire; I do know that this team isn’t getting the job done and Dallas Eakins seems like he’s out of answers.

Normally, when the coach is out of answers the coach pays the price. In this case, so many other coaches have been out of answers that it’s time to try giving the man behind the bench some different pieces.

Lousy NHL Debuts

Some very good coaches have had some very bad starts to their careers, generally because opportunity arises with bad (or expansion) teams. Here’s a brief list of some very good coaches who started out on the wrong foot:

  • Scotty Bowman: 4-13-2 with St. Louis
  • Dick Irvin: 2-6-4 with Chicago
  • Ron Wilson: 4-13-2 with Anaheim
  • Lindy Ruff: 5-10-4 with Buffalo
  • Ken Hitchcock: 10-18-8 with Dallas

Naturally, I’m not saying ‘oh man, Dallas Eakins is Scotty Bowman!’ That would be crazy. What I am saying is that it’s possible that the Oilers will end up benefiting from their (essentially) forced patience with Eakins. Of course, it’s just as possible that 20 games from now nothing has changed and Eakins is out the door, but it’s at least plausible that the coach can right the ship.

So, About That Trade…

It has to be coming, and it has to be meaningful.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 pkam
November 14 2013, 10:44AM
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Spydyr wrote:

So following your logic if you have three flat tires in a row and the fourth goes flat. You will continue to drive around on the fourth flat tire?

It does not matter how many coaches have been fired in the past. If your coach goes "flat" you replace him.

Eakin's has a Nail and is almost out of air.

Worst example.

Perhaps the tires were not flat but the wheel was cracked. You can keep replacing the tires and continue to get flat tires. Treating the symptom does not fix the problem.

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#52 Loweblows
November 14 2013, 11:06AM
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I usually spend ten minutes watching a game on PVR in the man cave then lie to my wife sio I play the new Battlefield 4. That way I can vent my frustrations for 2 hours and twenty minutes before going upstairs and saying that everything is ok. I sure miss the day of watching real hockey in real time. What is better Battlefield 4 hit trash or Call of Duty hit like.

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#53 15w40
November 14 2013, 11:17AM
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At some point it has to be something other than the coaching. They have changed that numerous times and the GM once.

Maybe change the old assistants.

MacT - tuned out was there long enough, Quinn - Old school - hard ass coach, Renney - Vetern teaching coach for the kids, Krueger - Super positive, new thinking career coach, Eakins - Up & coming new guy on the block that trained under some of the best coaches

What else can they try for coaching. There may be a reason that guys like Hitchcock isn't here. It may simply be timing but it also may be that he wasn't a good candidate to have 2 former coaches in management telling him how to do his job and who he will have for a staff.

This may or may not be the case but it cannot be simply the coaching - no way.

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#54 DoubleDIon
November 14 2013, 11:57AM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Can any of you Lowe haters actually give any concrete evidence as to exactly what he has been responsible for in his tenure as President that has been so deplorable? Rather than, the Oilers suck, so obviously lets blame anything with a name to it; like the "Boys on the Bus" or the swarm defensive system.

Also, please explain what his job description and requirements are. Until, you can prove what he has done, while he was the President, compared to what Tambellini was responsible for during his tenure as GM, please quit making assumptions and accusations. It reeks of desperation, frustration and generally uninformed shouting at a scapegoat.

Do you forget that Lowe was the GM that presided over the team during the sinking of the franchise? His comments about Bobby Ryan, Penner offersheet, Pronger trade, Weight trade, horrible draft record, not signing Glencross and Brodziak. I could list more of his moves as GM. I also think he had his fingers in Tambo's pie too, but there is no proof of that. The thing that bugs me the most is his lack of accountability and comments in the media. Two-tiered fans, six rings and general stupidity.

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#55 2004Z06
November 14 2013, 12:05PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Sadly, that's the only thing that brings me some satisfaction at this point. Dreaming of a future Oiler blueline of J Schultz, Klefbom, Nurse...and Ekblad.

If you are dreaming of J Schultz on the blue line, then it is a nightmare. The kid is awful as a defenseman.

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#56 tileguy
November 14 2013, 02:21PM
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you know what is kind of amazing, Katz saves over a million dollars (say that amount again) by shipping out Smid. For most of us that takes us more than ten years. What a shrewd business man. I guess we conclude management really has closed the door on the season. Thanks once again season ticket holders for your unwavering support.

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#57 Ducey
November 14 2013, 04:27PM
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I am not really sure why a trade has to be coming. The season is lost.

Making a trade now for a big name defenseman might move this team to start playing .500 hockey for the rest of the season. Big deal. Its going to cost assets and is likely to wind up being detrimental in the future.

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#58 Mac962
November 14 2013, 09:44AM
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JW - Perhaps Eakins is given a longer rope, but how long do we wait until something is done with Bucky and Smith ? I mean come on, they were not Eakins first choice, he was saddled with them. IMO - If he accepts it or not, Todd Nelson deserves a promotion and perhaps could ride shot gun with Eakins as well. Nelson also works with the young guns and knows them pretty well from the OKC stint. That all aside, yes it is time to part with one of our darlings, too much of the same. Its time.

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#59 outdoorzguy
November 14 2013, 09:45AM
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Oct 7, 2017 Edmonton

After construction delays and political wrangling, Edmonton’s new arena, The Rexall Repository was officially opened a year behind schedule by Katz Group Executive Vice President of Operations and former Edmonton mayor Stephen Mandel. Mandel dropped the puck as the Oiler opened up another NHL season by the dropping the ceremonial puck at the start of the game with the visiting Los Angeles Kings. Despite another sell out crowd, the 410th in a row, the Oilers dropped a 4-2 decision to the defending Stanley Cup champion Kings who had played the night before in Vancouver. Former Oiler Nail Yakupov, who led the league in scoring last year, picked up right where he left off last year, scoring two goals and setting up a third. The home town Oilers’ goals were scored by David McConnor and local product Tyler Benson. Goalie Laurent Brossoit made 48 saves on the night for the Oilers. After the game, head coach Shawn Horcoff was joined by his assistant coaches Kelly Buchburger and Steve Smith to give their assessment of the game. Horcoff stated that despite having so many young players in the lineup and first overall draft picks, he “felt there was a good blend of old and new”, and it would take a bit more time for this group to “gel together”. Later, Oiler General Manager Bob Stauffer joined his coaching staff and was asked about the team’s rebuilding under his leadership. He commented that he was “only starting the second year of his vision for the team and it may take four or five more years to get things where he would like them to be”. Stauffer also says “despite the best efforts of previous GM’s, it would not be a continuation of the previous rebuilds which occurred over the last nine years”, but a new, focussed vision. He encouraged fans to continue to support the team by filling the new arena and looking to the future with anticipation as the team still was looking for a puck moving defenceman and top three center. Despite the opening night hoopla, team owner Daryl Katz was not in the building and was not available for comment as has been the case since 2008.

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#60 Lochenzo
November 14 2013, 10:07AM
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One coaching move I am curious about is why we haven't seen Hall, RNH and Eberle together more frequently and for an extended period of time. Putting that line together has pulled this team out of the fire in the past. This should be an especially obvious move given the number of goose eggs this team has laid over the past few weeks.

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#61 Ultimate Warrior
November 14 2013, 10:09AM
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Assistant GM from Pittsburgh is available for hire. I would love to see Jason Botterill in Edmonton, since he understands what a winning team looks like.

Oh wait, doesn't meet criteria 1: Being an Old Oiler

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#62 Lochenzo
November 14 2013, 10:11AM
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sizzay wrote:

There will be no major moves for a defenseman because the plan all along was to wait for Klefbom and Nurse. Add Ekblad (possibly) to that list now.

I hope we stand a chance at getting Kulemin or Steve Ott in the offseason, but I won't hold my breath.

Sadly, that's the only thing that brings me some satisfaction at this point. Dreaming of a future Oiler blueline of J Schultz, Klefbom, Nurse...and Ekblad.

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#63 Lochenzo
November 14 2013, 10:34AM
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DSF wrote:

Have you seen J. Schultz play defense?

I've seen him play forward! Actually, Mike Green was the same way. The offence was always there but the defence took years to come around. The payoff was very good.

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#64 bazmagoo
November 14 2013, 10:41AM
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Have to admit I held a grudge against Krueger because of the last 10 games of last season, and was happy MacT replaced him with Eakins at the time. Now I've give anything to have old Ralphie back, come back Ralphie we miss you!

Eakins needs to go ASAP, anyone who can't see that he has lost the room and isn't the right solution for the Oilers is blind. MacT should take over behind the bench for the remainder of the season, then start the hiring process over again.

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#65 Spydyr
November 14 2013, 10:56AM
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pkam wrote:

Worst example.

Perhaps the tires were not flat but the wheel was cracked. You can keep replacing the tires and continue to get flat tires. Treating the symptom does not fix the problem.

We already know the wheel (Lowe) is cracked but that is not going to get fixed so you have to replace the tires. Or drive around on your rims 4-14.

Admit the mistake, fix it and move on.

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#66 dq
November 14 2013, 11:07AM
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Lots of people propping Krueger for last years flirtation with the playoffs. I'm Krueger neutral but ....

April 3rd they were in 8th place. They won 1 of their next 10 when things really mattered.

A collapse like that is partly because of players lack of experience. But it's also the coaches ability to prepare the team for meaningful games.

Grass is always greener and a lot of people suddenly viewing Krueger as a model coach.

Not arguing for / against Eakins (I actually kind of like what he's bringing). But I just wouldn't use last year as an argument for / against.

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#67 TDSM31
November 14 2013, 11:22AM
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Now is the time for us to package our 2014 first round draft pick to get a solid veteran center or top pairing dman. Don't ask me who we should target, I'm too tired to look it up after losing yet another night of blissful sleep stewing over another loss.

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#68 oildrops
November 14 2013, 11:28AM
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If you learn from a loss you have not lost.

If we keep playing that way, the odds of the puck going in are going to be in our favour.

lets keep riding the wave of hair that is coach Dallas Eakins.

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#69 mayorblaine
November 14 2013, 11:30AM
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do not fire Eakins. sure ditch Bucky and Smith. quickly.

the consistent that hasn't changed with this team is the top 6. time to purge the problem rather aim for the easy.

stop loving the kids, start having greater expectations of them.

if your name isn't Hall or RNH, bye. potentially.

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#70 DSF
November 14 2013, 11:59AM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Can any of you Lowe haters actually give any concrete evidence as to exactly what he has been responsible for in his tenure as President that has been so deplorable? Rather than, the Oilers suck, so obviously lets blame anything with a name to it; like the "Boys on the Bus" or the swarm defensive system.

Also, please explain what his job description and requirements are. Until, you can prove what he has done, while he was the President, compared to what Tambellini was responsible for during his tenure as GM, please quit making assumptions and accusations. It reeks of desperation, frustration and generally uninformed shouting at a scapegoat.

He hired Tambellini and allowed him to run the franchise into the ditch for 5 years.

He then hired MacT as GM despite the fact he had zero experience and while ignoring other candidates (like Jim Nill) who have much more experience and a winning track record.

Not recognizing that reeks of ignorance.

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#71 Bleak Winter
November 14 2013, 12:01PM
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"Changing tires" exactly. Unless you want an actual tire to be our next coach you have to keep Eakins for the season.

It's not that we can't fire Eakins, it's that it wouldn't have enough effect to be worth it at this point. We are very literally painted into a corner here because of management's past actions.

If we fire Eakins, after coaches with one season, two seasons, 48 games, and now 20 games respectively, who do you propose we hire?

The next guy would have to be desperate for a job because look at what he walks in to. A coach killer team, under unaccountable upper management, saddled with two assistants he doesn't have the leeway to replace. To top it off, he's got about 10 games to make an impression with the fan base before people are calling for his head and management has a history of scapegoating coaches. The Oilers would have to go 14-4 just to reach .500. He has an unsalvageable season and literally no hope of a future with this team as it's constructed.

Now, given all that, who puts their name in for that job? Who do you propose we hire? You can't kidnap Laviolette or Sutter and force them to coach. It's career suicide right now to be an Oiler coach. You'd be lucky to get someone from Bantam house-league.

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#72 2004Z06
November 14 2013, 12:11PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

You honestly believe Eakins has full authority in decision making?

Then explain why players such as Gagner - Schultz - Hall - Eberle - have not sat one minute, even benched a period?

Ether Eakins is talking out his ass about accountability or he was told to keep playing certain players.

Not to mention his systems have failed both offensively and defensively, poor player decisions, poor PK, poor PP, poor goalie decisions, he was actually bullied into letting his backup goalie return to the net.

His shot differential is league worse, his goal for and goals against are the worst. THIS IS the worst Oiler team ever!!!! That says a lot when Pat Flippen Quinn is a better coach!!!!!

What actually qualifies this guy as a good coach? What qualifies him as a coach that should stay? Has he earned the right to stay!

MacTavish made a poor decision, it’s that easy, that simple.

It is the coach, keeping him in doesn’t make the team better!!

So how many games do you give the next coach? The one after that?

The carousel needs to stop sometime! I would wager that this coach is going to get a fair bit of rope and players that are "un-coachable" will be moved instead.

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#73 DoubleDIon
November 14 2013, 12:12PM
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Impartial Oilers Fan wrote:

Well, if you're cherry picking items from Lowe's tenure as GM, then you should also include the trade to get Pronger from the Blues, the trade to get Roloson, the trade to get Visnovsky, etc.

However, as I stated, what EXACTLY has he done as a President, that has effected the Oilers roster and results in a negative way. Not his comments, not his demeanor, just his actions as President! I'm not saying there isn't any, but I'd like to hear exact details rather than speculations because your frustrated and want to stomp your feet because your hard earned money bought a jersey.

So go ahead, someone inform me. I want to hear it!

If you think the Visnovsky trade was good you're delusional. Stoll and Greene would be nice guys to have right now.

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#74 rickithebear
November 14 2013, 12:22PM
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eakins system does not provide pressure on the funnel shoting area around the net. Draw a line from goal posts thru centers of the face off dots. it creates a funnel. then step out in 10 foot curved intervals 0-10 feet; 10-20 feet; 20-30 feet; >30.

the last two seasons 2011 to 2013 our team was all shots 7.93% 0-10 16% 10-20 12.5% 20-30 8.7% >30 4.2%

this year under Eakins All 11.9% 0-10 23.5% 10-20 22.2% 20-30 18.4% >30 4.8%

we saw a definite decline in results from our vets.

Smid 12-13 kruger All 7.5% 0-10 10.9% 10-20 9.6% 20-30 6.7% >30 6.3%

13-1 4Aekins All 13.15 0-10 36.4% 10-20 21.7% 20-30 27.3% >30 4.2%

Petry 11-12 All 6.9% 0-10 11.3% 10-20 11.4% 20-30 6.3% >30 4.7%

13-14 All 13.1% 0-10 21.4% 10-20 19.4% 20-30 20.7% >30 7.6%

we miss having Fistri cand potter

Fistric All 4.8% 0-10 10.5% 10-20 13.9% 20-30 0% >30 2.7%

Potter All 4.2% 0-10 23.5% 10-20 9.6% 20-30 2.1% >30 2.2% these guys pressured anything outside 10FT.

i thought it might be Goaltending, but N. schultz stood out! He choose not to pressure out side the funnel and staid with tried and true MIN play. you shall protect in front of the net. Not a box. The funnel. He has been penalized with reduced minutes. But results say it all. N. schultz 13-14 all 5.65 0-10 9.1% 10-20 8.1% 20-30 4.1% >30 4.25 just for reference

S. weber last year. Who has Rhinne All 7.15 0-10 12.2 10-20 14.4 20-30 9.3% >30 3%

No better than Smid & petry last year.

Chnge the system Aekins

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#75 Clarko
November 14 2013, 12:23PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

I love the old boys club analogies....I have news for you all. Many teams have old boys clubs.....Colorado, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh NYR and soon to be Buffalo.

That argument is getting really old.

People are frustrated with "the old boys club" because nobody is held accountable within that group. The one exception was MacT as coach, but he was hired back and promoted.

Look at the people being fired...Quinn, Renney, Kreuger, Tambellini...all not part of the "club" so to speak. Meanwhile, Smith, Bucky, Lowe, and MacT are all still around despite the horrible record of this franchise over the last few seasons.

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#76 GK1980
November 14 2013, 12:26PM
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Just listening to Oilersnow and they mentioned something that really turned a light bulb on. We were always tryig to improve the bottom six but we never focused on having good mentors in the top six. Smyth can't teach these kids how to score and be an offensive player in the NHL. the problem the past five years could point to the fact that he kids never had a true number on line mentoring them through the beginning of their careers. Tamby thought they were good enough to carry the team. Skill wise sure, but to play the NHL game, no. Just a theory.

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#77 oildrops
November 14 2013, 12:39PM
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You cant count on management they have six rings and don't mind losing.

The team needs to fear losing!, hate it!, stop it!, don't get close to IT!.

I cant stop cheering for this team for the life of me.

I'm going to the Sharks game and going to yell some sh** and nobody going to stop me.

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#78 pkam
November 14 2013, 12:43PM
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tileguy wrote:

I urge everyone to read the grantland article. It clearly explains what is happening. I feel we just need to tweak this team with some size.

After finish reading that article, a few things come to my mind.

If Eakins, an AHL head coach with previous NHL assistant coach experience is not capable to be a NHL head coach, how can Roy, a CHL head coach without any NHL assistant coach experience capable to be a NHL head coach?

I compare the goalie SV% for the past 3 years. Dubnyk is 0.916, 0.914 and 0.920. Labarbera is 0.909, 0.912 and and 0.923. Varlamov is 0.924, 0.913 and 0.903. Giguere is 0.900, 0.918 and 0.908. Dubnyk and Labarbera have been slowly improving. Varlamov is slowly regressing and Giguere is being inconsistent. So which pair will you pick before the season started? Unless I have a crystal ball, I'll pick Dubnyk and Labarbera 10 out of 10 times.

Colorado definitely wins the 3 top 3 picks. 2009 is not a deep draft year but still better than 2010. And no prospects in the last 5 years can match the top 4 prospects this year. I think it is a bit of luck that you draft high in an exceptionally good draft year.

If MacT hired Roy instead of Eakins, the situation in Oils nation will be even uglier than now. If we were 14-3-0, everyone here will be praising MacT, just like 2 years ago when Khabibulin stopped everything and Eberle had nearly 20% shooting percentage, and we started the season with 20 points in 14 games.

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#79 Walter Sobchak
November 14 2013, 01:14PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

So how many games do you give the next coach? The one after that?

The carousel needs to stop sometime! I would wager that this coach is going to get a fair bit of rope and players that are "un-coachable" will be moved instead.

The idea that it's going to get better under Eakins is just terrible foresight, this record is compiled under playing mostly Eastern based teams, there schedule is going to be mostly the tougher western conference from here on out.

Do you have any idea how badly they have been out played against the west teams? 10-1 goal ratio, 107 + shots to 50 or so in THREE games!!

So you want to keep a coach in that can't clearly coach at this level? But you’re willing to move Eberle -Hall - Yakupov - Schultz - Gagner - Jones - because they became un-coachable under Eakins??

You can’t trade half the team and your only stars.

This is the worst Oiler team ever.......EVER!! thats a ringing endorcment of the coach, not the players.

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#80 tileguy
November 14 2013, 02:28PM
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RealFakeDiesel wrote:

Also, i had a dream where the Oilers were down 3 nothing but Mid game Mactavish came out of the zamboni gate waving to the crowd walking towards the bench and stood next to Dallas leading the Oilers on to victory

Was he wearing a paper bag over his head?

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#81 Zarny
November 14 2013, 03:57PM
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DSF wrote:

He hired Tambellini and allowed him to run the franchise into the ditch for 5 years.

He then hired MacT as GM despite the fact he had zero experience and while ignoring other candidates (like Jim Nill) who have much more experience and a winning track record.

Not recognizing that reeks of ignorance.

You assume Jim Nill and other candidates were interested in the Oilers GM job.

That's a big assumption.

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#82 Zarny
November 14 2013, 04:05PM
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pkam wrote:

One thing I notice in the past 3 years and is still happening.

We lose at least 80% of puck battle along the board.

Not sure if this is the coach's fault but it definitely has nothing to do with the system. In fact, Eakins explained his Swarm defense system in one of his practice presser, 'It is basically a standard D zone coverage, but when one of our player pinch the puck carrier along the board, another player will jump in to take away the puck.'. Basically, it is a system design to address our failure to win the puck battle along the board. Unfortunately, we lose those battle even with 2 on 1 most of the time, especially in our D zone. of course, it is again the coach's fault.

The average NHL forward is 6'1" 205 lbs.

Every single top 6 F is currently smaller than average.

Gazdic, Joensuu and MacIntyre are the ONLY Oiler forwards bigger than average.

Small forwards and losing puck battles are directly related.

When you're talking about professional athletes with 8% body fat 10 lbs is a lot let alone the 20-25 lbs Oiler forwards routinely give up against opposing F and D.

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#83 A-Mc
November 14 2013, 04:57PM
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Dog Train wrote:

Firing the coach is the easy way out. The problem is that Mactavish seems to think that he will be able to get what he needs without sacrificing one of his core guys. He mentioned today that he wants to turn the team over to the 8-9 guys that he's identified as the team's core. If we assume that Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Gagner (based on Mactavish's public praise for his 'character') and Justin Schultz form that core as well as acquisitions like Perron and Ference, there's not much left. Hemsky? Good luck getting more than draft picks or prospects for him at this point.

I think the major currency this year is that 1st round pick.. With the way this season is going, it could very likely end up being another 1st overall which would have tremendous value.

If we do pick 1st overall, our 2nd is basically a 1st round pick as well, so the 2nd has reasonable value.

I could see a number of guys being cut from the team just to shed contracts. Then our 1st rounder (1st overall?) + a decent prospect being flipped for that true top 4 D (likely not a #1, probably a 2/3 type guy).

Take the 2nd/3rd round picks and turn those into an over achieving 3rd line winger that has some size and Jam.

Goalies: i have no freakin clue what to do there...

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#84 Stack Pad Save
November 14 2013, 05:39PM
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GregDonaldson wrote:

Answer me this angry Oilers fans...

Tell me exactly what it accomplishes by firing Kevin Lowe?

Do you honestly think all of the team's struggles and problems will magically be cured as soon as Lowe is turfed?

You so badly need your scapegoat and your pound of flesh that you don't care how ridiculous you all sound.

Firing Lowe solves nothing, he is not going anywhere, GET OVER IT.

Go back to booing Yakupov and chase him out of town just as you did with Jason Arnott among others. The typical Oilers fan will want that "spoiled brat" Yakupov ran out of town on the first thing smoking but those same exact typical Oilers fans will lament how they don't have and need a sniper like Yakupov when he is gone.

I love the Oilers, I despise most other Oiler fans, you give the rest of us a bad name. Yes I am talking to you the ones who would yell shoot at Hemsky when he wasn't even in a position to shoot. The ones who said Horcoff was useless. The ones who bashed Penner while he was here and wanted him bought out but then turned around and complained that his trade return wasn't enough. The ones who live to bitch, whine and complain about every little thing.

I will tell you what it accomplishes. It starts accountability. Accountability always starts at the top.

If you are an employee and you think your boss is lazy, it is an excuse for you to be lazy. If you think your boss is incompetant than you don't have trust that your job will run as smooth as possible.

So you ask and I will tell you. The NHL is a gate driven league that answers to the fans, and the fans need to believe that the person running the ships isn't going to steer the ship into the rocks....guess what the Oilers are on the rocks and have been for some time and the man steering the ship is Keven Lowe. Fire him!

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#85 LOIL99
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I was talking about the return on Pronger in the Anaheim deal, not the St. Louis one.

Penner cost significant assets.

Glencross wanted a 1.4 million dollar one way deal. Easy signing.

Eberle, Gagner, Petry and Hemsky are part of the problem. Not part of the solution. Petry is an overpaid #5 on a decent team. The other guys are not 200 foot players. Eberle was good value where we drafted him, but is the poster boy for what's wrong with this team. Hall and RNH are keepers. I'd be dealing Eberle and Yakupov(wouldn't deal Yak right now).

Oh so you cherry picked the trading away of Pronger when Lowe's back was completely against the wall because of a trade demand, and ignored the trade to bring him in that got Oil to SCF game 7. Gotcha...

Your "Penner cost significant assets" comment is pretty vague, but since its simply not true, I understand why you were vague.

Kings picked J Shultz with one of the picks and he defected to us anyways. And kings sure as hell didn't get any 20+ goal scorers with the other picks (one was used to get Marc Andre Bergeron from NYI haha).

Oilers easily wont the Penner offer sheet. Sorry about using facts to backup my argument. I know vague claims are a much easier to tool.

And if you think Petry isn't at least top 4 pairing dman on ANY NHL team, then you are simply too down on this team to think straight.

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#86 The Towel Boy
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I kinda secretly hope this losing streak goes just a few more games so that we get to see some big fireworks.

FIRINGS! TRADES! Whatever...just give me something to be excited about.

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#87 Mac962
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Rick wrote:

The Common denominator throughout the head coach carousel Is Steve Smith and Bucky. At what point do you hold these two responsible for some of these problems.These kids are NOT receiving good mentoring from these two coaches.

You read my mind Bro- see below. they are dead weight.

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#88 Rick
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JW - Perhaps Eakins is given a longer rope, but how long do we wait until something is done with Bucky and Smith ? I mean come on, they were not Eakins first choice, he was saddled with them. IMO - If he accepts it or not, Todd Nelson deserves a promotion and perhaps could ride shot gun with Eakins as well. Nelson also works with the young guns and knows them pretty well from the OKC stint. That all aside, yes it is time to part with one of our darlings, too much of the same. Its time.

I agree Smith and Bucky out and Nelson In .That would be a great place to start.

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#89 DSF
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Eakins's Corsi and Fenwick closed ticked below Krueger's last night, even with a mostly eastly conference schedule.

Against five common opponents (out of six), Eakins Corsi close is 30-something-percent.

By looking at shot metrics, Corsi or Fenwick, and not goal differential, or won-loss record, one eliminates a lot of the effects of randomness, i.e. save percentage, shooting percentage.

30-something percent against common Western Conference opponents and Detroit...that is abysmal coaching.

Next up, the San Jose Sharks, one of the elite possession teams in the league.

Oh, the humanity!

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#90 Zamboni Driver
November 14 2013, 09:57AM
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@outdoorzguy

**Slow Clap**

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#91 Rod from Viking
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@vetinari

Renny also showed some emotion on the bench.

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#92 Mac962
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I just have to say - i never ever ever expected to be sitting here on November 14th - talking like this. Unreal - i love my Oilers like most of us but am truly ticked right off and feel violated almost. WTF have you done to our team ? 4-14 ?? Really ? come on man ! 4-14. This is not an expansion team, this is a now storied franchise that is being ruined. And they sit back like scared little puppies afraid to do anything, Fire Buck and Smith - they are easily replaceable - start the shake up now. 4-14 - Who woulda thought. I am sure Hall and Nuge and a few others are being just torn apart inside. Like us.

Hockey gods - we are sorry for dominating the 80's , dont hold it against us any longer, we are sorry for beating everyone like rented mules for years, the torture of payback you have placed upon us has been painful, we are sorry. Stop the torture. Take Kevin Lowe - Take Bucky - Take Smith- help MACT make a trade. I give up, no more pain.

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#93 jt in Oilertown
November 14 2013, 10:15AM
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Post of the year, with one small edit. The new arena will be called Rexall Suppository (considering what will come out of it).

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#94 Lawndemon
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No. No I have not...

... and I have (sadly) watched every game this year.

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#95 The_CWD_GarbageMan
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Biggest thing is the team mentality. On paper like it said, D was supposed to be better (ie. lets say the Avalanche).

But Roy he comes in and instills his culture (Or Psychotic need to be better than everyone else).

Started Day one after he emasculated Boudreau.

Dubnyk was just expected to be his numbers of years past as far as im concerned. .920 sp. Who can argue with that? With a better d in front of him apparently it mean only more W’s. Sadly. Our sense of defensive coverage is all but lost. That and he sucks this year.

Sorry. Klowe, Mac T and them all need to go. It’s the only thing I can see man. Talk about needing more grit, we get rid of smid and brown. We need guys who can play and have the ability to be tough to play against. A guy who can give Eberle more room and complement his game. Here we have four talented players with absolutely no space and they’re ripe for the pickings. Pat Kane has Bickell on his line.

But hey, there are smaller teams out there getting it done, and it comes down to hunger and responsibility and you just don’t see it.

Great Article on Grantland for those who haven't read it yet.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9973203/the-colorado-avalanche-edmonton-oilers-rebuilds/

Just some Scattershot Thoughts courtesy of your pissy CWD Garbage Man.

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#96 pkam
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Forgot to mention -maybe the right coach was right under our noses all along in Nelson. Just maybe. Could he be worse ? I somehow doubt it. Eakins will learn but needs help right now - he is as green to this as Yak.

The AHL is not the NHL- the best league in the world.

Dont can him yet, it does wont get us to the promise land, but get him some proper help on the bench and give up one of the kids with a draft pick - this is the year to give it up if you are going to do it.

Both Eakins and Nelson have never been NHL head coach. Both had been NHL assistant coach then AHL head coach. Their resumes are basically the same. So how is Nelson any different than Eakins?

The only difference is MacT like Eakins more than Nelson. I don't know the reason, perhaps because MacT and Eakins have similar coaching philosophy?

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Seriously, Mac T, there is no shame in admitting you Screwed up royally when you call Ralph Kruger On Skype and tell him how much the team wants him back. You can see every night that the team dosent want To play for Eakins. How about a GM and players only meeting? Ask them, I'd bet Ralph is back here ASAP. I actually feel for Eakins, his kids get harassed at School and this isn't turning around anytime soon.

Maybe best to get him out of here.

I wonder if a few of the players were involved in a Skype Call to Ralph, if that would be enough for Him to say "yeah I liked that job and we made Progress, ok I will come bail you guys out.

Besides, I'm sure lots of the guys remember his systems. He was building in the right direction.

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#98 Fresh Mess
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This is hilarious. You guys couldn't get Renney out of here fast enough, now all of a sudden you love the guy. Renney is perfectly suited for his current role. His record as a head coach is underwhelming.

Now Nelson is the answer. He'd be the shiny new toy for about ten games and then you would all be burning him in effigy just like Eakins.

Steve Smith has not be a constant through all of this losing. Smith was not part of Looselips MacT or Quinn's staffs.

And yes, Katz has obviously given the order to reduce payroll. I don't blame him, as spending to the cap has resulted in laughingstock last place teams. What's troubling is Looselips chose Smid's contract to dump first, for a puny return.

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#99 tileguy
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The_CWD_GarbageMan wrote:

Biggest thing is the team mentality. On paper like it said, D was supposed to be better (ie. lets say the Avalanche).

But Roy he comes in and instills his culture (Or Psychotic need to be better than everyone else).

Started Day one after he emasculated Boudreau.

Dubnyk was just expected to be his numbers of years past as far as im concerned. .920 sp. Who can argue with that? With a better d in front of him apparently it mean only more W’s. Sadly. Our sense of defensive coverage is all but lost. That and he sucks this year.

Sorry. Klowe, Mac T and them all need to go. It’s the only thing I can see man. Talk about needing more grit, we get rid of smid and brown. We need guys who can play and have the ability to be tough to play against. A guy who can give Eberle more room and complement his game. Here we have four talented players with absolutely no space and they’re ripe for the pickings. Pat Kane has Bickell on his line.

But hey, there are smaller teams out there getting it done, and it comes down to hunger and responsibility and you just don’t see it.

Great Article on Grantland for those who haven't read it yet.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9973203/the-colorado-avalanche-edmonton-oilers-rebuilds/

Just some Scattershot Thoughts courtesy of your pissy CWD Garbage Man.

I urge everyone to read the grantland article. It clearly explains what is happening. I feel we just need to tweak this team with some size.

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#100 Spydyr
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pkam wrote:

The result of your solution is another flat tire. Now the question is how often do we plan to replace the flat tire.

Ask Katz that.

It is his car.

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