GDB 21.0: STARTING OVER

Jason Gregor
November 15 2013 12:30PM

The Oilers enter the second quarter of their season tonight vs. the San Jose Sharks. The first quarter had disastrous results, and cost them a playoff spot. The management, coaches and players can't look at it that way, playoffs being a pipe dream, but a 4-14-2 start has them 15 points out of the playoffs.

The remainder of this season will be about understanding the system, learning to compete, not just working hard, every shift and hopefully the bitter taste and stench of losing will motivate the players to never be in this situation again.

The Oilers must use the next 62 games to build the foundation of continuity and winning. If they want to become winners, they must be committed to the system, their teammates and themselves.

The Oilers are showing signs of improvement in some areas of their game.

Despite going 0-for-5 last game the Oilers PP is 25% in their last eight games. Their PK has killed off 25 of the last 26 powerplays, 96.3%, over their past eight games.

Many will say the Oilers haven't improved enough because they aren't winning, and that is valid. However, the Oilers can't  solve all their problems over night. These next 20 games will be a test of their character and inner strength. Do they have willpower and focus to concentrate on the next game and not pout or worry about the previous 20? Have they learned that they need to play smarter, faster, stronger and with move conviction in order to win?

We won't know until December 29th. That is when they will have played half the season. Can this team stick together, play hard and become competitive? The next quarter of the season will show us a glimpse of whether or not they can execute the system, or if they have the guts to go to the net consistently,  or if they have the intestinal fortitude to try and stop opposing teams from going to the net and the internal desire to finally learn how to win.

The 2nd quarter of the season could show us a lot about which players should be here long-term.

DIFFERENT APPROACH...

If I was Andrew Ference, I would sit the team down and show them some of the great inspirational/motivational speeches from movies. Hockey is a game. You can inject some humour into the game. Try and get the players to relax, inhale and recognize that it isn't life or death.

For some reason our society thrives on negativity too often. Yes, the first 20 games were f^@#*&()*) embarrassing. But whining and focusing on it every day isn't going to change that. Learn from it. Challenge them to be better, and maybe have some fun doing it.

Here are some examples. Guys love this stuff. I know watching these clips made me laugh and they got me fired up.

I'd start with something light... 

"That's what were here for guys, to win." I freaking love that line. Makes me laugh every time...

Most sports movies have a dramatic scene that usually leads to the team bonding or that shows an individual realizing they need to work harder. We eat this stuff up. We love it, and that's why we watch those movies over and over again.

Ference could show them this one. (fast forward to 1:40 to the quicksand speech.) 

"You're playing and you think everything is going fine. Then one thing goes wrong. And then another. And another. You try to fight back, but the harder you fight, the deeper you sink. Until you can't move... you can't breathe... because you're in over your head. Like quicksand." Shane Falco

That could resonate with many Oilers right now. They have had numerous things go wrong...but they can't let it paralyze them.

Then I'd show them this one. It is fitting since the Sharks are in town. (actual words start at 2:00)

For some laughs I'd follow it up with this one. This kid is great.

Then, I would play the greatest sports speech of all-time. I don't care what sport you play, whether you are playing beer league, the NHL, NFL or road hockey this scene/speech will get your blood flowing. 

Eakins could play this one.

"I can't make you do it....Either we heal now as a team, or we will die as individuals...Now what are you going to do?"

Tony FREAKING D'Amato (Pacino) would have made a great coach.

I would leave them with this one.  

I understand the need to talk systems and strategy, but sometimes you simply need to tap into the emotions of the players, and in this case, with the loyal citizens of Oilersnation.

LINEUP

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Hemsky-Gagner-Yakupov
Smyth-Gordon-Perron
Joensuu-Acton-Jones/Gazdic

Ference-Petry
Belov-Larsen
N.Schultz-Potter

Dubnyk

Sitting Arcobello is perplexing. I don't get it. He has been solid offensively, defensively and on the PK. 

The Sharks are playing their third game in four nights. They defeated the Flames Tuesday and the Canucks last night, both times in OT. Fatigue

The Sharks have three players averaging a point-a-game. Thornton and Pavelski have 20 points in 19 games, while Logan Couture has 19 in 19. Patrick Marleau has 18 points and Tomas Hertl has 17. The Oilers will face Alex Stalock. He has won both of his starts, and he has a dazzling 0.946 SV% and 1.57 GAA.

GAME DAY PREDICTION: On paper this is an easy choice, the Sharks should dominate, however, it is Positive Friday and if Ference showed even one of the aforementioned videos prior to the game the Oilers will win. Chalk one up for D'Amato, Oilers win 3-2.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers haven't scored at home in 182 minutes. They score in the first period, and combined with the first 8 p.m. Friday game that I can remember, the first intermission beer sales are the highest of the season.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Ilya Bryzgalov stops 33 shots in his AHL debut in a 4-1 victory. During the 2nd intermission the Oilers show highlights of the OKC victory and a few of Bryzgalov's saves. After the highlights, they play the clip of Bryzgalov saying he is only afraid of bears in the woods.   

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#101 A-Mc
November 15 2013, 04:49PM
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Naky wrote:

@A-mc

Wow, I didn't know Bryzgalov got all those shutouts playing for the Oilers, the perennial worst team in the league with the league's worst d-corps for several years straight. That's amazing! I, too, like to assume that every statistic is equal and every situation is the same.

So if you couldn't tell, I'm saying your numbers are borderline worthless. Sorry to burst your bubble though.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm helping to diffuse the notion that Bryz is a total write off. It shows that he is capable of winning and POSSIBLY steal you a game (even if it's rarely).

I have been a Dubnyk supporter for years and i want the best for him, but i just can't see him ever stealing us a game when we need it most.

You're right that the teams are vastly different (Oilers vs Anh/Phi) and it's hard to compare the two goalies.

I was offering NO conclusions in my post. It was simply some interesting stats with a little bit of 1260 humor thrown in with the "So you're saying there's a chance !?".

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#102 pkam
November 15 2013, 04:51PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Through 48 games last year the Oilers gave up 134 goals.

They’ve given up 75 through 19. Now, I'm not a math wizard but I'm willing to bet that the Oilers through 48 games give up more goals then 134.

Through 48 games last year as you mentioned the Oilers sat 12, through 48 games this year my guess is the Oilers will sit 29th possible 30th.

We have virtually the same players as last year, and yet one could argue we got better positional players this year.

The PK has been worse while so has the PP.

You can argue till your blue in the face that it’s not coaching but even the most diehard Oiler fan has to concede that coaching hasn’t been great ether.

You have at least ignore 3 major factors.

1st. The team was healthier last year than this year. We have 117 man games lost after 20 games, we have 118 man games lost over 48 games last year.

In last year, 48 man games were going to Andy Suton. So we actually lost 70 man games over the entire year. And the major ones (top 6 forward and top 4 defense) are 7 games to RNH, 1 game to Hall, 10 games to Ales Hemsky. So 18 man games to core players. And most of the games lost to Hemsky and RNH are in the last quarter of the season. So we were pretty much injury free for the first 36 games.

This year, we have lost 2 game to RNH, 13 games to Gagner, 7 games to Hall, 4 games to Perron, and 5 games to J. Schultz. So far 31 man games to core players in 20 games.

2nd, compare to last year, our goaltending is terrible this year. I can but I don't think I have to quote you the stats to prove it. I don't know how you can blame the head coach to poor goaltending. Actually, our SA/G is the best in 4 years. Last year was the worst.

3rd, poor S%. Actually our S/G is the highest in 4 years, a shot per game more than last 3 years. I don't have the number but I believe we have more post in 20 games than we had in 48 games last year. And post don't even count as shots on goal.

Last year, we have many games that we were outplayed but came out with a win. This year after 20 games, we only have one game like that, the Senators. But we have many games that we outplayed the opponents but ended up losing.

Injury, low shooting % (plus post), and poor goaltending are the major reasons for our poor result this year. And I don't know how you can blame those factors on coaching.

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#103 Walter Sobchak
November 15 2013, 04:53PM
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A-Mc wrote:

A couple things:

1. The oilers finished 24th overall last year, 12th in the conference. So we're talking about a drop from 24 to 29/30, not 12th

2. The coaching is DIFFERENT. There is always an adjustment period when you experience change. When Ralph came in, he didn't change much due to not having a training camp and already being a part of the system the previous 2 years. Like Gregor has stated, over the last 8 game stretch, the Oilers Special teams has been good so it's likely the adjustment period is over with (for the most part).

I never said where they finished overall last year, just 12 in the division.

I said where they would finish this year, so I'm not sure what you are getting at there?

I also never said anything about Ralph or Dallas, I'm simply comparing statistic.,

frankly, I don’t care if it’s a different coach or the same coach, the overall record speaks for itself.

As you stated, over the last 8 game the special teams have been better, which is more likely accurate?

The last 8 games or the last 19? During the last 19 games the Oilers have been terrible, the last 8 games so-so.

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#104 camdog
November 15 2013, 04:54PM
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Naky wrote:

@A-mc

Wow, I didn't know Bryzgalov got all those shutouts playing for the Oilers, the perennial worst team in the league with the league's worst d-corps for several years straight. That's amazing! I, too, like to assume that every statistic is equal and every situation is the same.

So if you couldn't tell, I'm saying your numbers are borderline worthless. Sorry to burst your bubble though.

I think that some of the logic MacT used when he signed Jason Labarbera

Save percentages as team mates in Phoenix: Bryzgalov 2009-2010: .921 2010-2011: .920 Labarbera 2009-2010: .928 2009-2010 .909

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#105 A-Mc
November 15 2013, 04:55PM
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Naky wrote:

@A-mc

Wow, I didn't know Bryzgalov got all those shutouts playing for the Oilers, the perennial worst team in the league with the league's worst d-corps for several years straight. That's amazing! I, too, like to assume that every statistic is equal and every situation is the same.

So if you couldn't tell, I'm saying your numbers are borderline worthless. Sorry to burst your bubble though.

Some more stats to further my train of thought that Bryz might not be as bad as we think:

2009 - 1st in SO: 9 Bryz: 8 (2nd) 2010 - 1st in SO: 11 Bryz: 7 (4th) 2011 - 1st in SO: 10 Bryz: 6 (Tied 5th)

Again: winning record in nearly every year he played. There is a small chance that he actually works out for us for a short while..a Chance!

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#106 pkam
November 15 2013, 04:57PM
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A-Mc wrote:

Interesting stat: Bryzgalov has had as many or more shutouts in 1 season than Dubnyk has had in his entire career, 3 times.

Bryz SO's:
2009 - 8 SO
2010 - 7 SO
2011 - 6 SO

Devan Dubnyk - 6 SO in his entire career.

Bryz Career SO: 30
Duby Career SO: 6

Also, Bryzgalov has only had a losing record during 1 season (2008) where he went 26-31-6. He has had a winning record in every other season of his career.

"So you're saying there's a #Chance !? "

Just one question, how many SO Bryz had when he was not playing for the Coyotes?

Mike Smith couldn't stop a volley ball in Tampa Bay, see how he is doing now in Phoenix.

I am not completely negative on Bryz. But I am not completely positive neither. Have you wonder why Philly bought him out with 7 years left in his contract?

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#107 Pucker
November 15 2013, 05:03PM
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Arcobello ??

I don't like that this small forward was arguably the Oiler's consistantly hardest working, most dependable player, but he was arguably the Oiler's consistantly hardest working, most dependable player . . . why??

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#108 A-Mc
November 15 2013, 05:04PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I never said where they finished overall last year, just 12 in the division.

I said where they would finish this year, so I'm not sure what you are getting at there?

I also never said anything about Ralph or Dallas, I'm simply comparing statistic.,

frankly, I don’t care if it’s a different coach or the same coach, the overall record speaks for itself.

As you stated, over the last 8 game the special teams have been better, which is more likely accurate?

The last 8 games or the last 19? During the last 19 games the Oilers have been terrible, the last 8 games so-so.

"I never said where they finished overall last year, just 12 in the division"

Prior: "Through 48 games last year as you mentioned the Oilers sat 12, through 48 games this year my guess is the Oilers will sit 29th possible 30th." You compare sitting 12th through 48 (entire season) with sitting 29/30 after 48 this season. You're making a comparison to say we will go from 12th to 29/30 in 48 games and that is inaccurate. 12th in the conference was actually 24th overall. So you should be comparing 24th overall to 29/30 overall.

Yes you did bring up coaching. your reply was to a conversation re: coaching and you finish off your post by mentioning a coaching fail. Did you read your own post?

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#109 Walter Sobchak
November 15 2013, 05:06PM
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@pkam

I can't believe your comparing last year to this year; completely irrelevant!! It’s like comparing the 80's Oilers to now! Hi Kevin.

Every team has injuries, who's more important? Stamkos or Hall? Yet TBL are in first place.

You can use whatever excuse you want, I could argue last year the coaching staff had zero time to prepare, if given a full training camp plus games the Oilers might have been even better under Ralph.

Taking more shots doesn’t mean jack! Just because you shoot more doesn’t mean anything! So you were the league worst last year, congratulations you moved up two spots!

Winning and losing is all that matters, look at the schedule and telling what is more plausible, the Oilers beating those teams or the Oilers losing against those teams?

December and January are going to be nightmare months.

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#110 TonyT
November 15 2013, 05:07PM
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Oilers assigned Arcobello!?!?!?

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#111 Naky
November 15 2013, 05:09PM
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@A-mc

You and many like you are way too hard on Dubnyk in the sense that you never remember when he steals us a game but instead just parrot the same 'well, he never steals us a game!'. That's not true, nor is it fair to Dubnyk. There have been plenty of games where Dubnyk was the only guy who showed up and nobody else did since he started. I should know, I've watched every single game the Oilers have played in the past few years to much horror on most game nights.

Anyone remember that game in Columbus last year? The one that we won, somehow? Columbus was destroying us and it was the Devan Dubnyk show. Nobody cares though when he does because they're too busy crapping on him for the few bad ones he does let in (like the few bad ones that EVERY GOALIE IN THIS LEAGUE LET IN) to bother remembering the ones he stole - usually because the nights he's playing out of his mind, they lose anyway. Nevermind that the final score is a 2-1 loss, watching the game would show that it would have been 6-1 or more if the goalie wasn't playing absolutely insane.

Even this season, he's played at least two games absolutely out of his mind but the players couldn't score to back him up and earn him the win, and that is usually the case when DD does play a really good game. He plays a fantastic game, the rest of them can't be arsed to raise their own games. So instead, people harp on the one maybe-kinda-sorta-coulda saved that one and maaaaaaybe it could have went to OT and maaaaaaaybe we could have won in the shootout. What people should be doing is crapping on the rest of the team for not playing better but, hey, it's easier to crap on one person.

So back to Bryzgalov. Does he have a chance? Sure. But I'm going to ignore useless statistic comparisons like shutouts until that goalie gets to play behind the gongshow defense and apathetic responsibilities the forwards show on our team on any given night. If he can pull a superman through all that, I'll rightly salute him - but I certainly won't stop pointing out the mess that's in front of him at the same time either.

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#112 Retsinnab5
November 15 2013, 05:13PM
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Arco to OKC!!! MacT must be doing drugs!

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#113 pkam
November 15 2013, 05:14PM
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A-Mc wrote:

Some more stats to further my train of thought that Bryz might not be as bad as we think:

2009 - 1st in SO: 9 Bryz: 8 (2nd) 2010 - 1st in SO: 11 Bryz: 7 (4th) 2011 - 1st in SO: 10 Bryz: 6 (Tied 5th)

Again: winning record in nearly every year he played. There is a small chance that he actually works out for us for a short while..a Chance!

I think we have better chance if we can pry the Coyotes goalie coach here.

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#114 Drake
November 15 2013, 05:15PM
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Jason,

You will like this one

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/15/video-jean-claude-van-dammmmmnnnn/

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#115 Greg the Hammer Valentine
November 15 2013, 05:18PM
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I know a lot of people here think the Oil should stick with Eakins no matter what. Ok, I get the argument for that.

But lets pretend I was falsly accused of murder and there is a chance I could spend my life in jail.

I get a first lawyer. That lawyer doesn't have time for my case and wants me to plead guilty. I can't do that 'cause I'm innocent. So I get a second lawyer. That second lawyer is so good, that he is named judge. I have to get a third lawyer. When I first go in his office, that third lawyer convinces me he is good enough. However, after a few weeks of watching him work my file, I find he's totally incompetent.

Should I keep lawyer number 3 in the name of continuity and low cost? Of course not. I could end up in jail for the rest of my life because of that idiot.

It's the same with Eakins. Now I'll admit that the jury is still out on him. But for how long? If things do not improve substantially by mid-season and the front-office decides Eakins isn't doing the job, then the argument that "we changed coach too many times" doesn't hold up.

Sure, good franchises have continuity. But their front-offices usually get it right in the first place. If Eakins can't turn things around, I don't know what makes him immune to being sacked. That being said, I wish him to succeed.

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#116 Walter Sobchak
November 15 2013, 05:21PM
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A-Mc wrote:

"I never said where they finished overall last year, just 12 in the division"

Prior: "Through 48 games last year as you mentioned the Oilers sat 12, through 48 games this year my guess is the Oilers will sit 29th possible 30th." You compare sitting 12th through 48 (entire season) with sitting 29/30 after 48 this season. You're making a comparison to say we will go from 12th to 29/30 in 48 games and that is inaccurate. 12th in the conference was actually 24th overall. So you should be comparing 24th overall to 29/30 overall.

Yes you did bring up coaching. your reply was to a conversation re: coaching and you finish off your post by mentioning a coaching fail. Did you read your own post?

Zany actually mentioned that the Oilers finished 12th in the division, I was reiterating what he had said.

I don’t care if its 24th overall or 12th in the division, I simply said they WILL finish 29 or 30th this year.

I did mention coaching, while not completely blaming coaching, it has to be considered! That’s illogical to you? It can’t be coaching even a little?

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#117 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
November 15 2013, 05:23PM
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CHOP WOOD

CARRY WATER

WTF?!?

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#118 Loweblows
November 15 2013, 05:27PM
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I gather Arcobello is injured because only a complete idiotic buffoon would keep him out considering he has been one of our better 2 way players.

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#119 kale
November 15 2013, 05:27PM
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Logan Couture said last night that the Sharks are going to be playing against an Oiler team that has something to prove, he said it is going to be difficult coming into the Oiler building. I think Logan is being pessimistic, seriously Logan most teams dont find rexall place that intimidating, in fact most find it therapeutic.

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#120 Spydyr
November 15 2013, 05:28PM
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Oilers assign Arcobello and recall Klefbom.The only thing i got on this is "the braintrust" feel the Oilers are out of the playoff race so they might as well give OKC a chance to make it.This is starting to get surreal.

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#121 Spydyr
November 15 2013, 05:29PM
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Retsinnab5 wrote:

Arco to OKC!!! MacT must be doing drugs!

Any Rob Ford in Edmonton sightings?

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#122 Loweblows
November 15 2013, 05:29PM
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A buffalo win and oiler loss tonight and we own last place.

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#123 Loweblows
November 15 2013, 05:31PM
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What's the difference between rob ford and the oilers? Rob Ford knows how to score.

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#124 Taylor Gang
November 15 2013, 05:31PM
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A-Mc wrote:

Re: Sarcasm, are you implying that Eberle, jSchultz and gagner isn't enough for weber?

I'm in a haze until the work week is over so i'm having a hard time picking up what you're putting down.

I don't even know what I meant by that tbh. I feel like it doesn't matter who we bring in, we'll still find a way to lose

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#125 Jay
November 15 2013, 05:32PM
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There's a game tonight? Makes me happy to know Im not wasting time watching this pitiful and worthless team

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#126 Taylor Gang
November 15 2013, 05:36PM
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Greg the Hammer Valentine wrote:

I know a lot of people here think the Oil should stick with Eakins no matter what. Ok, I get the argument for that.

But lets pretend I was falsly accused of murder and there is a chance I could spend my life in jail.

I get a first lawyer. That lawyer doesn't have time for my case and wants me to plead guilty. I can't do that 'cause I'm innocent. So I get a second lawyer. That second lawyer is so good, that he is named judge. I have to get a third lawyer. When I first go in his office, that third lawyer convinces me he is good enough. However, after a few weeks of watching him work my file, I find he's totally incompetent.

Should I keep lawyer number 3 in the name of continuity and low cost? Of course not. I could end up in jail for the rest of my life because of that idiot.

It's the same with Eakins. Now I'll admit that the jury is still out on him. But for how long? If things do not improve substantially by mid-season and the front-office decides Eakins isn't doing the job, then the argument that "we changed coach too many times" doesn't hold up.

Sure, good franchises have continuity. But their front-offices usually get it right in the first place. If Eakins can't turn things around, I don't know what makes him immune to being sacked. That being said, I wish him to succeed.

Nice analogy, especially with the word play with "jury is out".

Having said that, bear in mind we haven't really gotten a chance to see what the entire roster is actually capable of. Think about it: at least one quality roster player has been injured in every game. Also worth noting is that Dubnyk has probably singehandedly cost us 3-5 games, give or take, that we should have won. So I wouldn't say Eakins is completely to blame, though I do agree that he hasn't made much of a case for himself.

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#127 dougtheslug
November 15 2013, 05:39PM
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pkam wrote:

You have at least ignore 3 major factors.

1st. The team was healthier last year than this year. We have 117 man games lost after 20 games, we have 118 man games lost over 48 games last year.

In last year, 48 man games were going to Andy Suton. So we actually lost 70 man games over the entire year. And the major ones (top 6 forward and top 4 defense) are 7 games to RNH, 1 game to Hall, 10 games to Ales Hemsky. So 18 man games to core players. And most of the games lost to Hemsky and RNH are in the last quarter of the season. So we were pretty much injury free for the first 36 games.

This year, we have lost 2 game to RNH, 13 games to Gagner, 7 games to Hall, 4 games to Perron, and 5 games to J. Schultz. So far 31 man games to core players in 20 games.

2nd, compare to last year, our goaltending is terrible this year. I can but I don't think I have to quote you the stats to prove it. I don't know how you can blame the head coach to poor goaltending. Actually, our SA/G is the best in 4 years. Last year was the worst.

3rd, poor S%. Actually our S/G is the highest in 4 years, a shot per game more than last 3 years. I don't have the number but I believe we have more post in 20 games than we had in 48 games last year. And post don't even count as shots on goal.

Last year, we have many games that we were outplayed but came out with a win. This year after 20 games, we only have one game like that, the Senators. But we have many games that we outplayed the opponents but ended up losing.

Injury, low shooting % (plus post), and poor goaltending are the major reasons for our poor result this year. And I don't know how you can blame those factors on coaching.

As Mark Twain said, "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics". You can use all the excuses you can muster, the fact is the Oilers haven't been able to ice a competitive team for the better part of a decade, and despite all the promises and statistical bafflegab, this year is a major step backward.

I was at the Detroit game. It was the worst performance I have ever witnessed by an Oiler team. I watched the Dallas game. After a couple of close calls in the first period, the Oilers never even looked like they were going to come close to scoring. They had zero offensive zone pressure and were stranded in their own zone by the Stars for long stretches of time. It was pathetic. They are visibly worse this year then they have ever been, and we were told it wouldn't be like this

As Charlie Brown famously told Lucy in a Peanuts cartoon many years ago, "Tell your statistics to shut up."

The only statistic I care about is the place in the standings. And it says dead last.

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#128 DSF
November 15 2013, 05:44PM
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So let me get this straight.

Arcobello has been the most consistent Oiler player during the first 20 game, playing well on both sides of the puck.

The Oilers send him down while keeping Will Acton on the roster.

Then, because Ference is unlikely to play, they call up Klefbom who has been pedestrian in OKC but he won't arrive until tomorrow so the Oilers are going to play THE SHARKS with 5 defensemen.

GOOD GRIEF!

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#129 Todd
November 15 2013, 05:49PM
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DSF wrote:

So let me get this straight.

Arcobello has been the most consistent Oiler player during the first 20 game, playing well on both sides of the puck.

The Oilers send him down while keeping Will Acton on the roster.

Then, because Ference is unlikely to play, they call up Klefbom who has been pedestrian in OKC but he won't arrive until tomorrow so the Oilers are going to play THE SHARKS with 5 defensemen.

GOOD GRIEF!

Its a paper shuffle. In the real world there are CBA issues real people have to follow. I'm sure its too much to ask you to do 30 seconds of educating yourself before you flap your face.

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#130 Taylor Gang
November 15 2013, 05:50PM
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DSF wrote:

So let me get this straight.

Arcobello has been the most consistent Oiler player during the first 20 game, playing well on both sides of the puck.

The Oilers send him down while keeping Will Acton on the roster.

Then, because Ference is unlikely to play, they call up Klefbom who has been pedestrian in OKC but he won't arrive until tomorrow so the Oilers are going to play THE SHARKS with 5 defensemen.

GOOD GRIEF!

Yeah it's almost like Acton is related to one of t...

Never mind

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#131 dougtheslug
November 15 2013, 05:50PM
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DSF wrote:

So let me get this straight.

Arcobello has been the most consistent Oiler player during the first 20 game, playing well on both sides of the puck.

The Oilers send him down while keeping Will Acton on the roster.

Then, because Ference is unlikely to play, they call up Klefbom who has been pedestrian in OKC but he won't arrive until tomorrow so the Oilers are going to play THE SHARKS with 5 defensemen.

GOOD GRIEF!

Maybe my theory that Darryl Katz has got himself mixed up with Russian mafia, and the Oilers are involved in match fixing scheme isn't too far off.

Except they could dress their best roster against the Sharks and still probably lose. But they don't have to make it so obvious.

Either that, or Kevin Lowe just loves saying, "The Edmonton Oilers are proud to select, number one in the 2014 draft....."

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#132 DSF
November 15 2013, 05:55PM
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Todd wrote:

Its a paper shuffle. In the real world there are CBA issues real people have to follow. I'm sure its too much to ask you to do 30 seconds of educating yourself before you flap your face.

Other players could have been "paper shuffled" and not be missed in the lineup.

The Oilers could have sent down Acton or Jones without any fear they would be claimed and, quite frankly, who would care if they were?

Is it too much to ask you to apply some critical thinking before pulling the trigger on your pea shooter?

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#133 DSF
November 15 2013, 05:57PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Maybe my theory that Darryl Katz has got himself mixed up with Russian mafia, and the Oilers are involved in match fixing scheme isn't too far off.

Except they could dress their best roster against the Sharks and still probably lose. But they don't have to make it so obvious.

Either that, or Kevin Lowe just loves saying, "The Edmonton Oilers are proud to select, number one in the 2014 draft....."

"lex parsimoniae"

Incompetence is the simplest answer.

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#134 pkam
November 15 2013, 06:04PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I can't believe your comparing last year to this year; completely irrelevant!! It’s like comparing the 80's Oilers to now! Hi Kevin.

Every team has injuries, who's more important? Stamkos or Hall? Yet TBL are in first place.

You can use whatever excuse you want, I could argue last year the coaching staff had zero time to prepare, if given a full training camp plus games the Oilers might have been even better under Ralph.

Taking more shots doesn’t mean jack! Just because you shoot more doesn’t mean anything! So you were the league worst last year, congratulations you moved up two spots!

Winning and losing is all that matters, look at the schedule and telling what is more plausible, the Oilers beating those teams or the Oilers losing against those teams?

December and January are going to be nightmare months.

Are you comparing last year to this year too?

Through 48 games last year the Oilers gave up 134 goals.

They’ve given up 75 through 19. Now, I'm not a math wizard but I'm willing to bet that the Oilers through 48 games give up more goals then 134.

Through 48 games last year as you mentioned the Oilers sat 12, through 48 games this year my guess is the Oilers will sit 29th possible 30th.

You said "I also never said anything about Ralph or Dallas, I'm simply comparing statistic."

So what statistics are you comparing? Just win and lost and standing? So injury, shooting percentage and save percentage are not statistics? A team can play better and lose, can't they? Penguins dominated the Avs and outshot them 42-18 and lost 1-0. So Penguins played terrible that game?

You also said "You can argue till your blue in the face that it’s not coaching but even the most diehard Oiler fan has to concede that coaching hasn’t been great ether."

I am just arguing that the majority of the problems that contributing to our loss is not the coach's fault. The team isn't any worse than last year despite we face all the injures to our core players. As far as I know, coaches don't shoot the puck and don't tend the goal.

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#135 dougtheslug
November 15 2013, 06:05PM
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DSF wrote:

"lex parsimoniae"

Incompetence is the simplest answer.

Probably. But it strains credulity that professionals can be so completely out of touch.

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#136 Taylor Gang
November 15 2013, 06:25PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Probably. But it strains credulity that professionals can be so completely out of touch.

"Professionals"

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#137 DSF
November 15 2013, 06:26PM
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pkam wrote:

Are you comparing last year to this year too?

Through 48 games last year the Oilers gave up 134 goals.

They’ve given up 75 through 19. Now, I'm not a math wizard but I'm willing to bet that the Oilers through 48 games give up more goals then 134.

Through 48 games last year as you mentioned the Oilers sat 12, through 48 games this year my guess is the Oilers will sit 29th possible 30th.

You said "I also never said anything about Ralph or Dallas, I'm simply comparing statistic."

So what statistics are you comparing? Just win and lost and standing? So injury, shooting percentage and save percentage are not statistics? A team can play better and lose, can't they? Penguins dominated the Avs and outshot them 42-18 and lost 1-0. So Penguins played terrible that game?

You also said "You can argue till your blue in the face that it’s not coaching but even the most diehard Oiler fan has to concede that coaching hasn’t been great ether."

I am just arguing that the majority of the problems that contributing to our loss is not the coach's fault. The team isn't any worse than last year despite we face all the injures to our core players. As far as I know, coaches don't shoot the puck and don't tend the goal.

The team IS worse than last year by almost any measure.

1) Goaltending (needs no explanation.)

2) PP (has dropped from 20.1% to 16.9%)

3) 5V5F/A (has dropped from 0.90 to 0.57)

4) Goal differential (has dropped from -9 to a projected -123)

5) Goals/game (has dropped from 2.56 to 2.35)

6) Goals against/game (up from 2.56 to 3.85!)

The Oilers are getting 1 more shot for per game but remember that last season ALL their games were against WC opponents while this season they have played 14 games against weaker EC opponents and only 8 against the stronger WC.

That folks is a train wreck of monumental proportions.

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#138 jbogus
November 15 2013, 06:38PM
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Watching the buff Toronto game and end to end with SOOOO much effort being out in - buff rewarded with the lead.

Put in tonight Oil seriously.

So hard being an oiler for life, wish I had permission to follow someone else.

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#139 Walter Sobchak
November 15 2013, 06:40PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

As Mark Twain said, "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics". You can use all the excuses you can muster, the fact is the Oilers haven't been able to ice a competitive team for the better part of a decade, and despite all the promises and statistical bafflegab, this year is a major step backward.

I was at the Detroit game. It was the worst performance I have ever witnessed by an Oiler team. I watched the Dallas game. After a couple of close calls in the first period, the Oilers never even looked like they were going to come close to scoring. They had zero offensive zone pressure and were stranded in their own zone by the Stars for long stretches of time. It was pathetic. They are visibly worse this year then they have ever been, and we were told it wouldn't be like this

As Charlie Brown famously told Lucy in a Peanuts cartoon many years ago, "Tell your statistics to shut up."

The only statistic I care about is the place in the standings. And it says dead last.

Well said, this is why there will be two new ticket holders next year, I'm done paying to watch that anymore, don't care if they become contenders next year.

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#140 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 15 2013, 06:42PM
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Kinda funny that your telling how the rest of a non playoff season should hopefully go Gregor.

Every Oiler fan knows this drill by heart. Hell Sixrings is a pro at this stuff.

Well at least everyone responsible gets to keep their very high paying jobs and continue to offer no value for the dollars being spent upon them.

Unskilled management that has spent 7+ years screwing up a rebuild get to continue to screw up. Poorly evaluating talent. Not actually building a farm system. Saying we can trade middle of the road defencemen cause we have lots of depth... by the way does mact and lowe understand the saying "A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush"

We get to hear from the media how much value hemsky and gagner are gonna have at trade deadline.

Mact will tell us gems like there needs to be continuity in the head coach position yet he fired the lastguy after one year and was part of the management team that hired him in the first place.

There is no plan, No real hope until a real hockey man gets put in charge.

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#141 Craig MacTambeloweni
November 15 2013, 06:47PM
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I'm an Oilers fan..and I'm pissed off.

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#142 Walter Sobchak
November 15 2013, 06:48PM
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@pkam

You are talking like this is some kind of anomaly, that some how this was a one off year, a bad break, it's been going on for a decade!

I really don't care about the coach's, statistics or injuries. W/L it's all that matters, by my eye the Oilers have more L and are worse then the previous 8 years.

And yes, the coach's have to eat some of that.

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#143 Rama Lama
November 15 2013, 06:53PM
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Wonger wrote:

It is way past time to move one or three of the "stars?" out! Let's get some SIZE, GRIT and NASTINESS into this line up! I agree! EAKINS and MACT are not the problem! They are the solution! Eberle, J. Schultz, Gagner, Hemsky, Yakupov, Potter, Petry, N. Schultz, Flubnyk, LaBarbera, Larsen are the problem! CLEAN HOUSE!!!! I don't want anybody coming back, at any position except goal, that is under 6'3" 225LBS, averages less than 1 PIM per game played, and who hasn't had to attend ANGER MANAGMENT sessions because they can't handle LOSING! Simmonds, Ott, Lucic, etc. are the type of sweethearts the Oilers need desparately. PAY THE PRICE AND MAKE IT HAPPEN MACT!!!! ETEM, PRUST, T. JACKMAN, FOLIGNO, MAROON, NEIL, STEWART, REAVES, etc. etc. etc.!!!

Yea Wonger I LIKE YOU BUT YOU DO NOT SEE TO UNDERSTAND SCARCASM!!!!

Go OIL

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#144 dougtheslug
November 15 2013, 06:53PM
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Bryz has made 6 stops out of 7 so far end of first period (.857 save percentage.Admittedly small sample size)

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#145 Fatbob24
November 15 2013, 07:04PM
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Bryz has made 6 stops out of 7 so far end of first period (.857 save percentage.Admittedly small sample size)

Of his first game...

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#146 Quicksilver ballet
November 15 2013, 07:04PM
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Flat out, Arcobello can do anything that 89 can do for this team, for only a fraction of the money. So what if you have to bump Mark up to 1-1.5 mill per on an extension next season. Gags has been replaced as this teams 3rd line center. That should be the end of that argument. Archo plays bigger than his frame would allow you to think, while Gagner plays smaller than his frame. Similar players but drastically different paycheques.

What we see here today is how fine the line is between the AHL, and Sam Gagner. It's unfortunate that Arco had the two way deal that made this at all possible. Would really suck if they lost him on waivers at any point. Arco makes Gagner very expendable.

7-2 Sharks. 30th could be all ours come Monday....YYYYESSSSS!

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#147 6 ring circus
November 15 2013, 07:07PM
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I am going to the game tonight,I have a bad feeling that it's going to turn out bad for the Oiler's.If it does, I will be the one in section 232, shouting out FIRE KEVIN LOWE!!!! Hopefully other fans will join in.

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#148 DSF
November 15 2013, 07:08PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Flat out, Arcobello can do anything that 89 can do for this team, for only a fraction of the money. So what if you have to bump Mark up to 1-1.5 mill per on an extension next season. Gags has been replaced as this teams 3rd line center. That should be the end of that argument. Archo plays bigger than his frame would allow you to think, while Gagner plays smaller than his frame. Similar players but drastically different paycheques.

What we see here today is how fine the line is between the AHL, and Sam Gagner. It's unfortunate that Arco had the two way deal that made this at all possible. Would really suck if they lost him on waivers at any point. Arco makes Gagner very expendable.

7-2 Sharks. 30th could be all ours come Monday....YYYYESSSSS!

30th could be realistic in 4 hours.

Buffalo is leading Toronto in the 3rd period.

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#149 Spydyr
November 15 2013, 07:09PM
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I am going to the game tonight,I have a bad feeling that it's going to turn out bad for the Oiler's.If it does, I will be the one in section 232, shouting out FIRE KEVIN LOWE!!!! Hopefully other fans will join in.

Chant

Lowe has to go!

It even rhymes.

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#150 Spydyr
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You know what would be bold?

Scoring a goal on home ice this month.

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