The dreaded vote of confidence

Jonathan Willis
November 15 2013 09:42AM

Yesterday, Craig MacTavish spoke to the media about the Edmonton Oilers’ performance. Among other items, he made it clear that he still has confidence in head coach Dallas Eakins.

After uttering similar lines during his availability and stressing the need for stability behind the bench, MacTavish told Bob Stauffer of Oilers Now that he “really couldn’t be happier with the coaching.”

The Vote of Confidence

The interesting thing about the managerial vote of confidence is that it often seems to precede the firing of said coach in short order. There are, I think, a couple of reasons for that.

The biggest is that managers don’t have to give coaches with good records a vote of confidence. Reporters don’t generally ask whether guys like Jon Cooper or Joel Quenneville are going to get fired; it’s obvious that they’re safe. Columnists don’t speculate on the safety of Todd McLellan or Dan Bylsma, at least not when those teams are winning, because there’s no question that the results support their continued employment.

So by the time the manager is in a position to opine on his head coach, there’s something in the record that suggests said head coach should be fired. And as a general rule, the media will always be ready to fire the coach before management is, which means that even when the coach is going to be fired there’s often a period of time when the media thinks he could be and the manager wants to hang on a little longer to see if the coach can turn things around.

The other reason is a simple trick of memory: we tend to remember the contradicition of a general manager supporting his coach and then firing him a week or two later, while we don't necessarily remember the close call that turned out okay.

Eakins

The thing keeping Dallas Eakins safe right now isn’t necessarily Craig MacTavish’s public statement, and it certainly isn’t the record or the underlying performance of his team (both of which are awful at the moment). It’s history.

Too many coaches in Edmonton have fallen by the wayside. The traditional point of reference is Sam Gagner; he’s just started his seventh season with the Oilers and he’s on his fifth head coach. It's ridiculous. 

There has been too much turnover, and other things need to change before the coaching does.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 pkam
November 15 2013, 10:07AM
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Drake wrote:

Mact T called out Eakins by saying Oilers have made Junior hockey mistakes. Safe for now but short leash

Didn't Eakins say some players were making junior hockey mistakes too and need to learn to get rid of those bad habits? I think MacT just backed up what Eakins had said before.

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#52 Bleak Winter
November 15 2013, 10:46AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I see the Oilers winning maybe 3 more games this month on the top end.

why is this important?

Come December & January , the Oilers will be lucky to win 3 games the whole month of December, they may not even win a game in January... there are some tough teams coming this way.

It's going to get nasty.

I'm not sure how Katz or MacTavish is going to spin this.

I agree, in fact I think we've basically got to catch a weaker team napping at this point to have a chance in any given game. This gets a lot worse before it gets better, it pretty much has to. How did you say in the other thread, we're in for a new version of suck?

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#53 Rama Lama
November 15 2013, 10:46AM
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If Dallas Eakins want respect from the fans...........do what you said you were going to do!

Ice time should be earned, and if that is true then Arccabello should be playing top line minutes. Yaks sat and for good reason, now sit Hall, Eberle, and Schultz when they have bad games.

He has two sets of rules, and this will continue to cause division until players tune him out permanently.

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#54 HOFFF
November 15 2013, 11:03AM
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Maybe Katz is following the plot from the movie "Major League" and setting the Oilers up like the Cleveland Indians so he can move the Team to Seattle. :)

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#55 Spydyr
November 15 2013, 11:06AM
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pkam wrote:

The hiring of Eakins started like this. Kureger told MacT that he needed an associate coach. But instead of him searching for the associate coach himself, he left this to MacT. This is where Kureger shot himself in the foot.

In the process of searching for the associate coach, MacT interviewed Eakins and felt he was a better candidate than Kureger. So what should MacT do? Keep Kureger for another year or 2 then fire him and switch to Eakins? If he likes Eakins more, shouldn't he make the change then instead of waiting for the change to happen a year or a few month later?

When I said things settle down, I means his plan. If items on his plan hasn't been accomplished, then we should finish them ASAP. And hopefully it works and we won't need big changes, like management, coaches and core players.

Please show me examples of how Eakins is better then Ralph.His record does not show it.The special teams have gone from top ten in the NHL to bottom five his system sure doesn't work. The kids are a year older and have all regressed this year.Not one player on the team last year has improved this year.

MacT got conned by a good salesman selling himself.

The sooner he admits to and rectifies his mistake the better.

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#56 Will
November 15 2013, 11:09AM
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One of the writers here said it best, last year was all heart no skill, this year is all skill no heart.

The things we got hammered on last year, shots, chances, possession, faceoffs, have generally been corrected this year.

Oddly, the things that were working last year, goal tending, pk, pp, have all taken a dive this year.

I think we put too much confidence in J Schultz. Clearly the swarm is a system that needs to be understood and executed by everyone on the ice and not just a few.

Here's hoping Eakins can turn things around and come as billed. Otherwise, I sadly miss the days of Renny and Kruger.

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#57 ghostofberanek
November 15 2013, 11:12AM
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This season makes me sad, but thank goodness it's just a game. Step off that ledge guys, the sun still rises every morning.

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#58 sizzay
November 15 2013, 11:14AM
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I know what needs to change - Sam Gagner as our 2nd line centre

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#59 Danger Pay
November 15 2013, 11:14AM
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Mac T also addressed the fact that they are not giving up on Yakupov and he is not going anywhere.

My overall interpretation of this conference was that the Oilers have pressed the re-set button and have started (wait for it, wait, for, it) another Re-Build.

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#60 Hockey Problems
November 15 2013, 11:17AM
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But, we are perfectly happy with the coaching thus far. We've been told, and you know that we questioning the "winning ways" of management is strictly forbidden.

Hey CFR, we found a few more clowns at Rexall, in the basement. Are you sure you don't want to tak'em with you ? ... ... Please!?!

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#61 Ari Gold
November 15 2013, 11:20AM
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I'm not drinking this Kool-Aid anymore. I've switched to rum. Screwyou Oilers Management.

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#62 Jerod
November 15 2013, 11:24AM
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The worst team in the NHL since 2005 lockout. Words lose meaning. Is MacT now head of customer service? I feel your pain.

Watch my feet not my words. Spin as much as you want the record is the record.

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#63 pkam
November 15 2013, 11:33AM
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James wrote:

Why shouldn't he make the change? Because he says he wants stability. What if he talks to someone else and likes him a little more than Eakins? Do we just keep doing this forever?

I want to response to your earlier comment. MacT never complain about Kureger. In the press conference, he said he found a better candidate for the head coach.

I have pointed out that MacT started a new chapter when he became the GM. New GM, new VP of hockey operation, and expecting a new associate coach and lots of new players. It he found a coach in his opinion better than the current one he had, wouldn't it be the perfect time to make the change instead of later?

You make changes when you believe the change will benefit the team. If MacT finds someone else he thinks will benefit the team, do you think he should make the change?

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#64 fig pucker
November 15 2013, 11:39AM
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be carefull what we wish for. if eatkins goes the next coach is already a senior adviser to mact and the six ring circus. thats right, our beloved mark messier will take over. he left the rangers organization because sather didn't give him the head coaching job there. number 11 is my favorite player, i wish we could clone him 12 times and fill our roster that way, but he hasn't even coached in ahl. we all know there will be no interview process, as much as i love number 11 the thought of him coaching this team scares me more than eatkins..

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#65 Loyal Oil
November 15 2013, 11:42AM
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JW, you end your article saying "other things need to change before the coaching does." I know a lot of us ON readers really respect your views and insights. If you were the owner or GM of the team, what would be the top two things that "need to change" in the immediate future (we all agree that long term our team should be huge and nasty and have a Vezina goalie). What two immediate changes would you make.?

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#66 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 15 2013, 11:58AM
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Loyal Oil wrote:

JW, you end your article saying "other things need to change before the coaching does." I know a lot of us ON readers really respect your views and insights. If you were the owner or GM of the team, what would be the top two things that "need to change" in the immediate future (we all agree that long term our team should be huge and nasty and have a Vezina goalie). What two immediate changes would you make.?

Part of me hopes that Loyal Oil is actually MacT.

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#67 Todd
November 15 2013, 12:14PM
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Bigge small wrote:

These Funs do not have the heart to do that, except compliant...... In any relationship caring should be at least 50/50 otherwise you get the treatment you getting from oilers. You are right on baby.....

I have gone on rants here about how we need to stop going to the games. Its the ONLY way. I haven't been to 1 game all year, and will not spend $1 on a ticket.

But I was just offered free tix tonight. I took them. I can't help it. I'm a recovering addict. My sponsor wasn't around, and I took the hit. HELP ME!

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#68 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 15 2013, 12:21PM
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So he wants to show he needs conistency at the head coach position yet he fired Krueger after 1 season... C'MON people. His contradictions in what he says to what he does shows that he is a horrible manager.

What a complete joke. Dumbest organization in professional sport?? If not we gotta be in the running

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#69 Rama Lama
November 15 2013, 12:24PM
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Just found out Arcabello is sitting..........our most solid player both offensively and defensively, and physically will not be playing.

Yea, coaching is not our problem!

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#70 Johe
November 15 2013, 12:34PM
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Drake wrote:

Mact T called out Eakins by saying Oilers have made Junior hockey mistakes. Safe for now but short leash

He said they started the year making junior mistakes but there has been progress, thanks mostly to the coaching. So no, I don't think there is a short leash. I bet money Eakins is here all year. Whether that is right or wrong is up for debate.

However, if winning doesn't happen very soon, MacTavish must do SOMETHING. He said he's impatient. He also said on the latest Oil Change episode that talk is cheap. So I say- enough talk. If you really want to turn this around, take action. Trade Yakupov. Trade Hemsky. Trade J Schultz. Trade the first pick. If wins don't start coming immediately(I still hold out a sliver of hope), this team needs to be renovated significantly. Change the dynamic. Change the makeup. Sooner rather than later. Oil fans honestly deserve so much better.

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#71 Zarny
November 15 2013, 12:44PM
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Dallas Eakins is not the Oilers problem.

Starting the season with their top 2 C out and injuries to guys like Hall have exposed the Oilers biggest problem...a complete and utter lack of depth.

Other than drafting a few talented kids they've done nothing to actually rebuild.

Pit rolls into town with Crosby & Malkin and the Oilers counter with Mark Arcobello for 21 min. Arco has been a pleasant surprise but in no reality is he good enough to play 21 min a night against the best players in the league.

When the kids make mistakes they are supported by kids who make the same kind of mistakes, the deepest pool of 5-7 D in the league with no one who can masquerade as a top pairing D for even 1 period, a 4th line of players who aren't good enough to play in the NHL and a G who "might" be good enough to make the playoffs.

1 or 2 key players get injured and this team ends up with way too many players having to play above their level.

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#72 Smokey
November 15 2013, 01:10PM
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MMAX wrote:

I would love to hear "Fire Lowe" chants.

I expect it tonight halfway through the second.

To the guy who thinks Gagners a better player. Track record shows that obviously. The last few games, really?

I don't think we should be running Gagner outta town for a rookie 5'8' center who's eating his lunch. Gagner was not ready to come back, and Eakins playing him far to much.

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#73 2004Z06
November 15 2013, 01:10PM
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Zarny wrote:

You're delusional if you think Arcobello is superior to Gagner by any measure.

Eakins isn't having a problem teaching players defensive tactics.

The players are having a problem being disciplined enough to play defensively. The players know what to do but still choose to cheat to try and score G too often.

That's not coaching...that's the player's fault.

The coach doesn't put on skates and play. Every team juggles lines. The bad match-ups are precisely because some top players were injured and the 3rd and 4th line aren't good enough to fill in.

Do you actually think playing Smyth, Gordon, Hemsky, Acton, Gazdic, Jones or Arcobello more is going to help? Half of them shouldn't even be in the NHL.

First of all remove Gordon from your list. He has done everything asked of him.

If you still think Gagner is a legit top 2 centerman then I am afraid it may be you that is delusional.

Arcobello is eating Gagner's lunch in every aspect of the game right now for 1/5th the salary.

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#74 2004Z06
November 15 2013, 04:10PM
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Anyone know what Gagner is "on pace" for this year?.....Exactly!

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#75 Geoff
November 15 2013, 04:58PM
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Why did renney get fired anyways?

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#76 Crackenbury
November 15 2013, 10:26AM
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For me the biggest disappointment this year has been the lip service about accountability and earning your ice time. I didn't expect much out of Arcobello when he started the season with the big team, but man he showed himself to be head and shoulders better at a 2-way game than the most of the so-called stars on this team. He was leading the team in points and +/- at various times and where does he find himself? - 4th line. Acton is told he's not going anywhere a few games into the season and arguably your best playing player on the team is shuffled around to make room for an obviously still too injured to play player in Gagner.

If the Oilers would simply ice the lineup that gives them the best chance to win instead of slotting players where they think they should be based on contract/seniority/pedigree they would improve their chances.

Even the most casual fan can see Arcobello should be playing 2nd line centre and Gagner should be moved down the lineup and onto wing. Put Yakupov on the wing with Arcobello on the second line and start using his best asset - his one timer.

Eakins and MacT seem to be cut from the same cloth when it comes to tunnel vision with their players.

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#77 James
November 15 2013, 10:33AM
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pkam wrote:

MacT started a new chapter this offseason, so if any changes need to be made, wouldn't you think it is the best opportunity, and hopefully things will settle down after that for an extended period of time?

Again. MacT can't complain about the coaching carousel then fire a coach who had 48 games with the club. If he wanted to fire him then fine, so be it. But don't complain about the number of coaches when you're part of that problem.

And if his master plan is that "hopefully things will settle down", we're all in for a tough go.

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#78 Bleak Winter
November 15 2013, 10:34AM
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Cold Hard Truth wrote:

You should not keep a bad coach, just for the sake of keeping a coach. If Eakins is not fit for the job, he should be replaced by somebody who is. Yes it sucks that there's been such a high turnover, but sticking with a bad coach won't make things better.

Suggest one who's available and capable of turning this around and would be best served in their career by taking the position at this point? Keep in mind if offered the job they'll likely believe their shelf life as an Oiler coach is a year at most and that they may never work again in the league is a real risk. That's sort of the job description these days.

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#79 camdog
November 15 2013, 10:38AM
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The immediate concern is the Oilers need to score one measly goal on home ice, if they don't at least score one goal tonight this entire Eakins is safe approach will change dramatically.

Imagine the headlines if the Oilers don't score tonight?

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#80 Wonger
November 15 2013, 10:45AM
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Spydyr wrote:

It is easy to see the entire "braintrust" is in over their heads.Every last one of them.President, GM and coach the trifecta of incompetence.All hired for their current positions with no experience at the NHL level.This will get way worse before it gets better.

I agree! I like MacT but how can he be happy with his core - way too small, way to soft, etc.???? Keep Hall and Nuge and dump the rest -Eberle, Gagner, Yak, J. Schultz and load up on SIZE, FUNCTIONAL TOUGHNESS and GUYS who are proven winners - THEY PAY THE PRICE EVERY NIGHT! P.S. Hall's birthday dinner/party last night wouldn't even have been the BIGGEST or TOUGHEST table at Chuck E Cheese's!

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#81 camdog
November 15 2013, 10:50AM
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@Reality Check to the head

Renney was fired because the President was putting pressure on Tambellini to win now! It's an ironic twist on hypocrisy. Kevin Lowe goes to his GM and season ticket holders and says lets bomb now to get high picks and they after they bomb for a couple of seasons he says we have to win now! Hence the firing of Renney.

The entire problem with the rebuild is we don't have any significant mid to late round draft picks make the team during Kevin Lowe's draft years, there was nobody, except Petry. First overall picks are great, but if you don't have any second, third or fourth picks make any progress you are in for a lot of hurt.

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#82 Hemmercules
November 15 2013, 10:51AM
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This team spends more time making excuses than actually trying to fix the problems. They have to have press conferences twice a week just to explain themselves and the current gong show of the moment. Mact and Eakins should cut off the media, buckle down and get us some wins. Enough talk, deliver already.

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#83 pkam
November 15 2013, 10:54AM
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James wrote:

Again. MacT can't complain about the coaching carousel then fire a coach who had 48 games with the club. If he wanted to fire him then fine, so be it. But don't complain about the number of coaches when you're part of that problem.

And if his master plan is that "hopefully things will settle down", we're all in for a tough go.

The hiring of Eakins started like this. Kureger told MacT that he needed an associate coach. But instead of him searching for the associate coach himself, he left this to MacT. This is where Kureger shot himself in the foot.

In the process of searching for the associate coach, MacT interviewed Eakins and felt he was a better candidate than Kureger. So what should MacT do? Keep Kureger for another year or 2 then fire him and switch to Eakins? If he likes Eakins more, shouldn't he make the change then instead of waiting for the change to happen a year or a few month later?

When I said things settle down, I means his plan. If items on his plan hasn't been accomplished, then we should finish them ASAP. And hopefully it works and we won't need big changes, like management, coaches and core players.

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#84 Hockey Problems
November 15 2013, 10:54AM
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Game day prediction, Same Old, Same Old...... No forecheck, No backcheck, No sustained offensive pressure, Weak, barely existent D zone coverage, Motionless power play, Can't finish a check (count the flybys, and stop and waves... Gagner), Goalie gonna let in at least one momentum killing goal, That's all we got, that's all we get ! Don't try to tell me otherwise as I have eyes and can see what goin on. Does Mac T think we are all vision impaired and will take his word for it.

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#85 Dave2
November 15 2013, 11:08AM
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@James

I totally agree with Crackenbury :

"Even the most casual fan can see Arcobello should be playing 2nd line centre and Gagner should be moved down the lineup and onto wing. Put Yakupov on the wing with Arcobello on the second line and start using his best asset - his one timer."

So why doesn't Eakins do this - are we wrong ?

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#86 TayLordBalls
November 15 2013, 11:09AM
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well it's groundhog day....again

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#87 James
November 15 2013, 11:12AM
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pkam wrote:

The hiring of Eakins started like this. Kureger told MacT that he needed an associate coach. But instead of him searching for the associate coach himself, he left this to MacT. This is where Kureger shot himself in the foot.

In the process of searching for the associate coach, MacT interviewed Eakins and felt he was a better candidate than Kureger. So what should MacT do? Keep Kureger for another year or 2 then fire him and switch to Eakins? If he likes Eakins more, shouldn't he make the change then instead of waiting for the change to happen a year or a few month later?

When I said things settle down, I means his plan. If items on his plan hasn't been accomplished, then we should finish them ASAP. And hopefully it works and we won't need big changes, like management, coaches and core players.

Why shouldn't he make the change? Because he says he wants stability. What if he talks to someone else and likes him a little more than Eakins? Do we just keep doing this forever?

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#88 Lochenzo
November 15 2013, 11:13AM
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They should post Lars Eller's comment on the dressing room wall. This is a young club and they're focusing on trying not to lose when they should be focusing on beating the other team.

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#89 Andrew
November 15 2013, 11:14AM
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Analyze this. Last year PK and PP are performing at an above average clip. Eakins arrives and the team falls apart on special teams and 5X5. Team confidence has vanished. MacT has brought in an improved line-up with limited results. What element has changed all of this for the worse? EAKINS. What this really showed me is that this organization is bad and going to get even worse. MacT's text book display of dissembling right in our faces sounded and looked the same crap coming out of KLowe's mouth for his entire tenure.

How can any credible GM suggest they are totally on board with such dreadful coaching results. Then to suggest he has 8 or 9 key players who are not available is patently ridiculous. No one is going to trade for players from the Oiler's 4th line for a stud 'D' or big skilled centre.

Strap on fellow Oilers faithful, because this has the potential to be a very long and bumpy downhill ride. MacT's blathering yesterday gives me no comfort.

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#90 Bigge small
November 15 2013, 11:17AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Free tickets or not, I have not and will not go to a game. That is the main problem here. People bitching about change at the top yet still selling out the building.

And before the Tier one fans comment, no one is asking you to give up your season tix, just boycott a game or two.

The images on T.V. of a half empty building (normally standing room only) combined with the loss in parking/concession/merchandise revenue would send a very clear message to ownership.

Further to that a petition was put forward to have Lowe fired. Last count 58 signatures!!!

Have yet to hear the "fire Lowe" chants reverberating through my television speakers as well. Has anyone walked into the Oilers office demanding a refund?

Step up, or shut up!

These Funs do not have the heart to do that, except compliant...... In any relationship caring should be at least 50/50 otherwise you get the treatment you getting from oilers. You are right on baby.....

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#91 Greenlingj
November 15 2013, 11:37AM
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The swarm defence does not work.

Case in point. Chicago game Philip Larsen I think is a highly under rated player... but he left his man alone in the blue paint on numerous chicago chances and a team like chicago will capitalize on those.

The encouraging thing is when Chicago decided to play run and gun the Oilers out played them.

If Nurse was 2 years older and 30 pounds heavier I am sure this record would reflect different if we played a man to man coverage style game.

Nurse is everything we need, intelligent, big, strong, #$%&ing mean, and isnt afraid to take the shots or the hits and he has a good set of hands problem is he will be a year down the road... and that is an ugly road.

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#92 OilCanFan
November 15 2013, 11:52AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Exactly, along with Hemsky, Jones,Smyth,Arcobello,Larsen,N.Schultz and Potter.

Yak, Hall, Ebs and the Nuge should be the only small skilled guys in the forward group.

Find some players with heart, grit a will to win and for the once in a generation some mean.

This team has been soft for far to long.Time to bring in some players that are no fun to pay against.Some nasty.

I agree with the changes with the exception of Arcobello. He is the ONLY one of tghe Oiler "players with heart". He is the ONLY player I notice throwing what little weight he has. I'd rather have a small player with grit and heart than a big pylon of a player. There is absolutely no reason why Arcobello is not playing ahead of Gagner.

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#93 Spydyr
November 15 2013, 12:12PM
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OilCanFan wrote:

I agree with the changes with the exception of Arcobello. He is the ONLY one of tghe Oiler "players with heart". He is the ONLY player I notice throwing what little weight he has. I'd rather have a small player with grit and heart than a big pylon of a player. There is absolutely no reason why Arcobello is not playing ahead of Gagner.

I agree Arcobello should be playing ahead of Gagner.

Arcobello has been the most pleasant surprise this year.He does play with heart .That being said he is just too small.Moving forward where would you play him.If you have Nuge as your first line center I would like some size with the second line center.Arcobello is not a third of fourth line center.He just does not fit IMHO moving forward.

What they really need is the elusive 3-1 trade with for once in decades the best player coming here.

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#94 madjam
November 15 2013, 12:15PM
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The on ice product is still of low value , much to Katz's chagrin .Katz cares mightily and wishes on ice product was much better - don't kid yourselves . He wishes it were better more than anyone . Despite management and coaching one constant remains - fan support despite the bad results . If Katz was to clean house then that fan support might be questionable , and thus changing it seems unlikely as it's still a good business making a healthy profit despite the product on ice . Bit of a catch 22 syndrome here . Has Katz and boys determined some picks that may have been detrimental to on ice product ? Doubtful , but it his perogative to do so if he so chooses .

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#95 Todd
November 15 2013, 12:16PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Part of me hopes that Loyal Oil is actually MacT.

Part of me hopes its NOT MacT. The rest of me thinks it probably is. Ran out of ideas, time to poll the blogz...

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#96 Bleak Winter
November 15 2013, 12:26PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

So he wants to show he needs conistency at the head coach position yet he fired Krueger after 1 season... C'MON people. His contradictions in what he says to what he does shows that he is a horrible manager.

What a complete joke. Dumbest organization in professional sport?? If not we gotta be in the running

The scary part of that is by extrapolation, it sets up Bucky or Smith as the replacement head coach if Eakins needs to go. That's the only "continuity" left available to MacT. Those boys are entrenched though so if it happens, its for the next three to five years. The writing is on the wall.

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#97 Newj
November 15 2013, 12:30PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Exactly, along with Hemsky, Jones,Smyth,Arcobello,Larsen,N.Schultz and Potter.

Yak, Hall, Ebs and the Nuge should be the only small skilled guys in the forward group.

Find some players with heart, grit a will to win and for the once in a generation some mean.

This team has been soft for far to long.Time to bring in some players that are no fun to pay against.Some nasty.

and Perron? where's his future in your assessment? Some will say St Louis was dumping salary, my take is that may have been partially true but the Blues are built around size.Perron didnt match up in that category.

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#98 MMAX
November 15 2013, 12:44PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Free tickets or not, I have not and will not go to a game. That is the main problem here. People bitching about change at the top yet still selling out the building.

And before the Tier one fans comment, no one is asking you to give up your season tix, just boycott a game or two.

The images on T.V. of a half empty building (normally standing room only) combined with the loss in parking/concession/merchandise revenue would send a very clear message to ownership.

Further to that a petition was put forward to have Lowe fired. Last count 58 signatures!!!

Have yet to hear the "fire Lowe" chants reverberating through my television speakers as well. Has anyone walked into the Oilers office demanding a refund?

Step up, or shut up!

I would love to hear "Fire Lowe" chants.

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#99 Spydyr
November 15 2013, 12:44PM
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and Perron? where's his future in your assessment? Some will say St Louis was dumping salary, my take is that may have been partially true but the Blues are built around size.Perron didnt match up in that category.

Oh Perron can be on my team any day.Hitch trained him well and he plays bigger then his is and has a nasty streak I love. Nasty is something the team needs much more of.No one fears the Oilers.

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#100 Smokey
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I'm torn on firing Eakins because I can credence in the argument for continuity, however is this a continuance of mediocrity, bad systems play, non-existent accountability. My argument against this is its as low as she's going to go. The bottom has dropped out. There will be an improvement this season and maybe next regardless, because there has to be. Its not going to make a difference for this year if you change the management, coaches or culture. It is important for next year.

Katz needs to say to his fan base your valued. That goes for even us second tier guys like me who watch 1 game a year and buy Oilers goodies. Katz also needs to say to other players and other organizations we are no longer a Mickey Mouse organization.

New culture and direction will help remove the foul stench of Kevin Lowe, and MacT's arrogance and incompetence. Managers with track record and coaches with a proven approach are needed to attract and retain talent. Building through the draft is going to take more time when you can't augment your line-up with veterans who contribute and lead.

Lastly, as a fan I will support the Oiler's, because I lived through the Pocklington Houston threats and dwindling crowds. But this type of loyalty has created entitlement, and a carte blanche with these guys. Maybe its because these guys have never been regular Joes and can't live without their big SUV's and paychecks

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