DEAD-LAST OR DEAD AND LAST?

Robin Brownlee
November 16 2013 12:02AM

 

It seems ridiculous to say the Edmonton Oilers can forget about the playoffs for the eighth straight season after just 21 games, but that's exactly where the Oilers find themselves with 61 games to play after a 3-1 loss to the San Jose Sharks Friday.

Fact is, you could have said that, and many have, three or four games ago. The loss to San Jose, coupled with a win by the Buffalo Sabres, leaves the Oilers 4-15-2 and dead-last, 30th, in NHL standings as they prepare to face the Calgary Flames Saturday in a provincial showdown of have-nots.

I'm not going to trot out the threadbare "playing for pride" bit coaches tend to default to when it's obvious their teams are also-rans as the Oilers already are, but there's no doubt Dallas Eakins and GM Craig MacTavish are going to learn a lot about the players on their team in the games that remain – aside from the obvious, that this roster isn't good enough.

Frankly, given the frustration bubbling over as the defeats mount, like that articulated by Taylor Hall after the loss to the Sharks, it's going to be a long and challenging string to play out. That said, Eakins and MacTavish will find out a lot about who's-who and what's-what.

FRUSTRATION MOUNTS

The Oilers played some of their best hockey in several games after the Sharks took a 3-0 lead, but that was cold consolation to Hall in the dressing room as the Oilers packed for a quick flight to Calgary.

Gene Principe of Sportsnet Tweeted this quote from Hall after the game: "I'm just so tired of coming in here after games and having to give a reason why we lost. We just gotta win."

Surrounded by reporters, Hall added: "We played well for the rest of the game, but it doesn't matter. It's for nothing.

"I've been around for so many losses that you kind of put yourself in a tailspin of wondering what it is. It's really hard. We're trying really hard in here but we're not winning games. At the end of the day, that's all that matters."

While it's foolish to try to read too much into what Hall said just minutes after another disappointing defeat – one wouldn’t expect him to be tap dancing with glee -- it doesn't take a vast intellect to figure out Hall and his teammates are just as sick of losing as fans are. The question now is what he and his teammates do about it the rest of the way.

LONG WAY TO GO

The way I see it, there's a big difference between being dead-last in the standings and dead and last in the 61 games that remain. What I want to see is who digs in and battles the rest of the way. Who fades away? Who flat out mails it in? I'd imagine Eakins and MacTavish want to know, too.

This isn't about saying, "Don't give up boys and everything will be OK." That's naïve. This team is flawed in the way it's been put together, as has been pointed out for a long, long time, and a bunch of "try-hard" efforts isn’t going to make the deficits in this team's make-up go away.

Addressing the shortcomings by position and in personnel falls to MacTavish, but he's going to get a good, long while to assess who fights and who folds from here on out, and that does play into where this team is going in the long term.

Is Hall up for it? Is Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Nail Yakupov and on and on? Who is resilient and stubborn enough to suck it up and go balls out with the post-season again a pipe dream? Who has been broken, or is close to it, by all the failure? Who says, "I'm sick of this and I'm not going to take it?" Who says, "I'm sick of this. I quit?"

Who has a heartbeat? Who is dead and last?

PARTING THOUGHT . . .

I wonder if MacTavish is seriously considering bringing in an experienced NHL coach to bolster his staff and I wonder if he still has Paul Maurice's phone number?

Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.

Aceb4a1816f5fa09879a023b07d1a9b4
A sports writer since 1983, including stints at The Edmonton Journal and The Sun 1989-2007, I happily co-host the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260 twice a week and write when so inclined. Have the best damn lawn on the internet. Most important, I am Sam's dad. Follow me on Twitter at Robin_Brownlee. Or don't.
Avatar
#51 JJ
November 16 2013, 07:40AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
11
cheers

I think those onion rings are intimidating Eakins...

"Must resist.. only eat raw onions"

Avatar
#52 Loweblows
November 16 2013, 08:16AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
11
cheers

Glad Arco was sent down-great game by the invisible acton-mactavish couldn't managa a friggin circus-

Avatar
#53 Rheal1
November 16 2013, 07:16AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
10
cheers

The Oilers area second tier hockey clug. Like the Chiefs, but way more pathetic. At least Reggie Dunlop had a clue about sucking. Eakins is a blind & emotionless dummy.

Comment from TSN: "I mention after the last game that Oilers management was frustrated that Buffalo was in their coveted spot, good to see that the Oilers have addressed that problem. There is only room for one at the bottom." "every 1 in Canada will be cheering 4 the flames tomorrow GFG". "congrats lowe and MCT with the sabres win tonight you are dead last in the league again" "Your Edmonton Oilers, comfortably entrenched in 30th ..." and "i knew it"................... I want to see the Oilers lose so friggin' hard tonight. Please Flames teach the Oilers what heart is. I wish Brian Burke a ton of laughter as the mediocre Flamers beat the hell out of Deadmonton by 3 or 4 goals.

Avatar
#54 dougtheslug
November 16 2013, 09:50AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
10
cheers
Serious Gord wrote:

So the hiring of old boys has been a miserable failure, and your solution is to hire another old boy?

I'm pretty sure DSFs response would be: "good grief!"

Thats not my solution. Thats my prediction

Avatar
#56 Step Daddy J
November 16 2013, 12:48AM
Trash it!
7
trashes
Cheers
9
cheers
kawi460 wrote:

I believe they need some major help on the blue line. Sadly Ekblad might be the answer.

I Think Simmonds and Brayden Schenn would help turn this team around. Would probably cost a youngster though.

I also wouldn't mind Pat Maroon. Right now he's just a 10-12 min 4th liner but he looks like he could be a solid 3rd liner as soon as next season. Can't believe Tambo didn't claim him last season.

Ekblad is definatly part of the Answer ... Mc David is the other part of the puzzle ...

Avatar
#57 Oiler Al
November 16 2013, 08:38AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
9
cheers
dougtheslug wrote:

Kevin, Craig, Bucky, Stevie, they are all his buddies from back in the 80's. I'm sure when he bought the team his dream was that they would all be together again at centre ice, raising the cup like they were young lions once again. So they set about recreating what they thought was a reasonable facsimile of the 80's dynasty team, with Hall as Messier, RNH as Gretzky, Schulz as Coffey, Yak as Kurri, Eberle as Anderson. Except they're not. And the game has changed a little since the 80's, where Lowe and MacT and Katz seem to permanently stuck. And they can't get their heads around it, and are stunned that their ingenious plan isn't working. So they best we can hope for is they will bring in Mark Messier to help sort things out. As DSF would say, "Book it".

And, Messier isn't from the 80's? He's from the same party... just another jock for Katz to sniff.

Avatar
#58 Ari Gold
November 16 2013, 09:38AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
9
cheers

Not even a trip to Brazil could prevent me from watching these Oilers. I streamed games at 1am, giddy with excitement over the teams evolution this year. That feeling quickly disappeared.

Tonight will be the first game in a while that I won't be able to watch. Part of me enjoys watching the trainwreck and seeing how MacT and Eakins spin it. The rest of me remembers the real hope and energy after game 6 of the 2006 Stanley Cup Finals. That makes me sad. Not sad that they played an amazing gritty playoff and lost, but that it's been so long since I saw an incomplete team come together to get the job done.

This team is a travesty. Not the makeup but the way it's been managed. This team had a 9 game losing streak last year but finished on a dominating high note. They also managed to get to the 8 spot right before the trade deadline. That team was in the mix.

This year, I'd have a hard time saying that there aren't better 'pieces'. The D has improved. Belov is much better than Whitney. Ference is a smarter replacement for Smid. Larsen is a more complete player than Fistric though lacks any toughness. Joensuu, Acton, Arco, Gordon & Perron are great additions.

My question is, how has this team gotten worse? I honestly would've traded Hemsky before Horcoff but I didn't complain. Horcs tough minutes have been replaced by Gordo. Fine.

Gags was injured but Arco stepped in nice at the 2C position. Acton looks a lot better than Smyth at 4C. Hall can't play centre, that was a foolish experiment. Nuge, Arco/Gags & Gordo is a weak top 3 but they succeeded last year with Nuge (injured), Gags & Horcs. I don't think Horcs is THAT much better than Gordo.

My question given that these changes are not in the absolute wrong direction: How could anyone say that the team, having nose-dived, is due to the players? Isn't it 100% obvious that this is on coaching/management?

You can't proclaim bold moves to the media. Other GM's were licking their chops at a possible fleece. MacT shouted out his desperation loud and clear. A clear no-no. You can't name the players you want to trade to the media; desperation once again.

You can't take a #4 Dman in Ference, pay him and expect him to step into a #2 role and succeed. Just as you can't give a rookie centre 25 mins of ice-time against top competition.

You can't hand out millions of dollars to unproven talent. Nuge should've at least played half a season before contract talks. Remember that money/contracts are an incentive for players. Not to say that Nuge is comfy now, but he's certainly not worried.

You can't keep changing coaches and expect the team to adjust immediately. Thank you all who read my rant. I just needed to get this out.

Off to watch the Seahawks. A team that turned their rebuild around in 2 bloody seasons. The franchise player? Russell Wilson, drafted 75th overall. I know it isn't the same sport, but Seattle is basically the Winnipeg of the States. They're forgotten and ignored as an NFL franchise. That's my team. Hard working D and O. Heart, desire & rage.

Shame on you Katz, Lowe, MacT & Eakins. You're about to start losing fans.

Avatar
#59 **
November 16 2013, 11:04AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
9
cheers

It really rattles my mind that people keep filling up the seats at Rexall when this team has been such a piece of garbage for 8 seasons now. In any other place with this record the team would be giving free beer, free seats, scrambling to sell tickets, let alone sell out.

Every time Rexall is sold out this city confirms that this is the team it wants and deserves. So there is no incentive for the owner to shake anything up when the dollars keep rolling in.

Sad reality.

Avatar
#60 Andrew
November 16 2013, 12:19PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
9
cheers

I'm not so sure it is just players who may 'mail it in' as you say. I think Katz, Lowe, GM and coaches have already 'mailed it in'. Neither Mact nor Eakins seem to have a clue on how to build or coach. Sorry, but the above listed are an epic fail.

Avatar
#61 S2H
November 16 2013, 12:13AM
Trash it!
51
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers

Keep your chins up boys.

The way everyone's acting, you'd think someone was dying.

Avatar
#62 Batfink
November 16 2013, 08:08AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers
JJ wrote:

Oh I doubt that. He's still collecting a paycheque, The oilers sucking doesn't affect the media one bit.

Do you truly believe RB takes pride in writing about how much we suck? I rarely agree with his perspective, but I have never doubted that he is a fan and cares what happens to the once mighty Oil. I don't know where you work, but imagine your job sucks everyday, making you stressed and really dreading going into work in the morning. But what the h3ll should it matter, you still collect a paycheque right? Just sayin' that like any job, you get a different sense ofsatisfaction doing different tasks.

Avatar
#63 Serious Gord
November 16 2013, 08:08AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers
dougtheslug wrote:

Kevin, Craig, Bucky, Stevie, they are all his buddies from back in the 80's. I'm sure when he bought the team his dream was that they would all be together again at centre ice, raising the cup like they were young lions once again. So they set about recreating what they thought was a reasonable facsimile of the 80's dynasty team, with Hall as Messier, RNH as Gretzky, Schulz as Coffey, Yak as Kurri, Eberle as Anderson. Except they're not. And the game has changed a little since the 80's, where Lowe and MacT and Katz seem to permanently stuck. And they can't get their heads around it, and are stunned that their ingenious plan isn't working. So they best we can hope for is they will bring in Mark Messier to help sort things out. As DSF would say, "Book it".

So the hiring of old boys has been a miserable failure, and your solution is to hire another old boy?

I'm pretty sure DSFs response would be: "good grief!"

Avatar
#64 Itchy
November 16 2013, 08:25AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers

@Batfink

All the talk of compete at the beginning of the year, then they go out and play a game like that. DE should be a used car salesman. I actually believed his speech before the season.

Avatar
#65 MMAX
November 16 2013, 08:48AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers
Rdubb wrote:

Maybe MacT should talk to one of his leaders, say Ference,Hall or Eberle and ask them to be honest and to say who is a "cancer" & who they think "should be moved on"...& then MacT can try & make moves from there. Plus, is Eakins so "hard headed" that he doesn't see that his systems on the PK & PP aren't working and he MUST go back to last seasons "systems" where they were ranked near the top of the NHL, & not near dead last like this years "systems"... Where is all this accountability that was talked about all summer and spring? Should any of the big 3 or 4 have back to back bad nights they too must be benched, & if Nail continues to play poor defensively & feels like being a one man show, than he too should be BENCHED. If Hemsky continues to skate along the blue, have his entire team in the offensive zone, and than make one to many "whopsi-doodles" & give the puck away, than he MUST get benched. What did the WPG coach say last week, "we can't bench the entire team", maybe not, but start benching some of the "stars" & maybe they'll get the hint. Gagner should get benched darn near after every game as his play has been poor in all 3 zones and his +/- shows it, as does his corsi stats (from what I've heard)...

Because Mac T's name would probably come up as one of the "cancers".

Avatar
#66 Walter Sobchak
November 16 2013, 09:30AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers
Serious Gord wrote:

So the hiring of old boys has been a miserable failure, and your solution is to hire another old boy?

I'm pretty sure DSFs response would be: "good grief!"

@dougtheslug

Sorry for the bad news, Messier already works for the Oilers.

He's a consultant for Lowe.

All Katz needs now is Gretzky & his childhood dream of being friends with all the 80’s Oilers will be complete.

Forget the hockey club, Katz just bought that to have fancy friends.

Avatar
#67 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
November 16 2013, 12:22PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers

@M22

Katz is the only guy who is a bigger loser than Kevin Lowe. Howson is number 3.

None of them care about winning they only care about scmoozing in fancy places and eating lobster stuffed with caviar.

Avatar
#68 Nimrod
November 16 2013, 02:52AM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
7
cheers

I guess we have the draft to look forward to. There is no way anyone will offer anything shiny enough for our Gollum-like leadership to give up their preciousss first rounder.

I guess when all you have to sell is hope, another 18 year old kid is just what is needed for another ride on the merry-go-round.

Avatar
#69 BLAKPOO
November 16 2013, 03:50AM
Trash it!
16
trashes
Cheers
7
cheers
Cold Hard Truth wrote:

Absolutely. We may think of ourselves as fans; however, Katz sees us as customers -- Lowe too, he said so himself. So: as customers we need to vote with our wallets. Hell, boycott Rexall Drugs. Maybe that'll rattle his bones.

Right. I'll make sure I buy my deodorant from Shoppers. That will make the Oilers a better team.

Great idea ....

Avatar
#70 Bryzarro World
November 16 2013, 04:40AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
7
cheers

Mac T had a looooong look last year Robin and KBlowe has had and even longer look....

Avatar
#71 JJ
November 16 2013, 07:44AM
Trash it!
8
trashes
Cheers
7
cheers
Fresh Mess wrote:

Great. Another chance for the Oiler management to asses who wants to be here next year. Another 60 game training camp. Another test of character. Another audition for next year when things will be so much better. Again. For the eighth year running......

I know it's your job to try and write something about this perennial joke of a franchise RB, but even you must be sick of writing this stuff every year.

Oh I doubt that. He's still collecting a paycheque, The oilers sucking doesn't affect the media one bit.

Avatar
#72 Batfink
November 16 2013, 08:12AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
7
cheers
Itchy wrote:

Last nights San Jose game was the first game this season I've watched completely from start to finish. Its also the first game I've ever watched where I saw no scrums, no punches after the whistle, no snowing the goalie, nothing to show me any passion or desire to play hard and get under the other teams skin a bit and compete. It was played with the intensity of an All-Star game. I'm a die hard fan, but this was tough to watch...even my non hockey-fan girlfriend had trouble watching. I may have to go team shopping soon after 15 years....gonna be a tough breakup but games like that make it easier.

Yeah, what happened to Perron? That wasn't the dude that we love out there. Did DE rein him in? Shouldn't have bothered. Vets broke team last night. Smytty pens and Captain Effin Fantastic slew footing his own goalie. I intitially thought SJ player had pushed him, but no.

Avatar
#73 kawi460
November 16 2013, 12:16AM
Trash it!
16
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers

@Racki

I believe they need some major help on the blue line. Sadly Ekblad might be the answer.

I Think Simmonds and Brayden Schenn would help turn this team around. Would probably cost a youngster though.

I also wouldn't mind Pat Maroon. Right now he's just a 10-12 min 4th liner but he looks like he could be a solid 3rd liner as soon as next season. Can't believe Tambo didn't claim him last season.

Avatar
#74 nuge2nail
November 16 2013, 03:49AM
Trash it!
11
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers

Oiler Domination To Follow

This team sucks.

Aaron Ekblad will help, he's big so he could be somewhat impact ful as a rookie.

Ekblad Nurse J Shultz Petry Ference Belov Klefbom

Defense isn't bad, but the offense is crap.

Need to bring in 3 power forwards.

Oilers can't cycle because the small skilled forwards get killed on the boards.

This has been the problem for years.

Trade Gagner+prospect+3rd rounder for any useful forward with size(Simmonds type)

Avatar
#75 Rdubb
November 16 2013, 05:53AM
Trash it!
10
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers
Ari Gold wrote:

That game was a disgrace, for the Sharks. The Oil should feel flattered that it wasn't 6-1. Couture had tough puck-luck tonight and they had a tonne of posts. The Oilers couldn't/wouldn't finish. There was no fight, nor jam left in the 3rd. The Sharks were playing their 3rd game in 4 nights. They were exhausted, they still pulled out an ugly road win.

That game was a joke to watch.

I don't blame the players for the seeming lack of fight. They're confused, sad and annoyed. How did they get stuck on this broken ship, adrift? I can understand if there's a few cancers in the dressingroom that won't play under a coach. This entire team, however, is beyond hope. That's on the coach & organization.

Maybe MacT should talk to one of his leaders, say Ference,Hall or Eberle and ask them to be honest and to say who is a "cancer" & who they think "should be moved on"...& then MacT can try & make moves from there. Plus, is Eakins so "hard headed" that he doesn't see that his systems on the PK & PP aren't working and he MUST go back to last seasons "systems" where they were ranked near the top of the NHL, & not near dead last like this years "systems"... Where is all this accountability that was talked about all summer and spring? Should any of the big 3 or 4 have back to back bad nights they too must be benched, & if Nail continues to play poor defensively & feels like being a one man show, than he too should be BENCHED. If Hemsky continues to skate along the blue, have his entire team in the offensive zone, and than make one to many "whopsi-doodles" & give the puck away, than he MUST get benched. What did the WPG coach say last week, "we can't bench the entire team", maybe not, but start benching some of the "stars" & maybe they'll get the hint. Gagner should get benched darn near after every game as his play has been poor in all 3 zones and his +/- shows it, as does his corsi stats (from what I've heard)...

Avatar
#76 camdog
November 16 2013, 09:30AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers

@Jason

Post Pronger the model for this team has remained the same. This is now 3 GM'S that are trying to win with the same model. Look at the Oilers team from Mact's last years as a coach the team is the same team, the philosophy has not changed. This is Kevein Lowe/Mact's original plan for the 2006-07 season, the strategy has not changed!

The number one variable required to get a job with the Oilers is you have to share Kevin Lowe's vision, that is what is wrong with this organization.

Avatar
#77 crobar
November 16 2013, 10:17AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers
arsenaloilerbarca wrote:

First time poster - 27 years a fan

Going to the game vs columbus on tuesday, bringing a sign that says:

"hey MacT, here's a bold move, refund us our money"

first time i spent money on a mini pack and actually regret it… sad times being a fan of the oil :(

pretty sure the gestapo at the rink will take it from you at the door. you will have to sneak it in and unroll it during the game. you will then be asked to remove the sign and yourself from the building. book it!!

Avatar
#78 tileguy
November 16 2013, 12:22PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers
Robin Brownlee wrote:

You are bang on about there being little or no incentive for the Oilers to shake anything up as long as the dollars are rolling in.

Part of the problem when fans discuss making their displeasure known is the Oilers already have the revenue from season tickets -- "They're already paid for so it won't matter if I don't go. They have my money. Plus, there's a waiting list, so somebody will just take my spot if I don't renew."

Fair enough, but there's still a way to make a statement AND hit the team on the bottom line, but it would take fans organizing -- and I'm not just talking about starting up a Facebook page and bitching about how bad the team is. That does nothing.

What if the Oilers played a game or two in front of 10,000 to 12,000 empty seats because season ticket holders organized and, for example, said, "We aren't going to the Nov. 19 game against CBJ and the Nov. 21 game against Florida?" If fans didn't sell the tickets or give them away, those seats would be empty.

Yes, the team still has the money for those seats, but they don't get concessions and souvenir revenue etc. Plus, management and ownership is looking at a two-thirds empty building in back-to-back games. That sends a real message. Having 1,500 or 2,000 people stay away, as is the case now, doesn't have the same impact financially or visually, so it would take some organization by fans to make it worthwhile.

I'm not saying it should be done, but it could be done. Would such an action significantly change anything? I'm not sure.

What I do know is that when customers vote with their dollars -- even if a lot of those dollars are already in the bank via season tickets -- the message carries far more weight than spewing venom on a hockey website or a post-game radio show.

It should be done on a national broadcast so if the money lost doesn't sting, the nationwide embarrassment would.

Avatar
#79 Loyal Oil
November 16 2013, 01:24PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers
Robin Brownlee wrote:

You are bang on about there being little or no incentive for the Oilers to shake anything up as long as the dollars are rolling in.

Part of the problem when fans discuss making their displeasure known is the Oilers already have the revenue from season tickets -- "They're already paid for so it won't matter if I don't go. They have my money. Plus, there's a waiting list, so somebody will just take my spot if I don't renew."

Fair enough, but there's still a way to make a statement AND hit the team on the bottom line, but it would take fans organizing -- and I'm not just talking about starting up a Facebook page and bitching about how bad the team is. That does nothing.

What if the Oilers played a game or two in front of 10,000 to 12,000 empty seats because season ticket holders organized and, for example, said, "We aren't going to the Nov. 19 game against CBJ and the Nov. 21 game against Florida?" If fans didn't sell the tickets or give them away, those seats would be empty.

Yes, the team still has the money for those seats, but they don't get concessions and souvenir revenue etc. Plus, management and ownership is looking at a two-thirds empty building in back-to-back games. That sends a real message. Having 1,500 or 2,000 people stay away, as is the case now, doesn't have the same impact financially or visually, so it would take some organization by fans to make it worthwhile.

I'm not saying it should be done, but it could be done. Would such an action significantly change anything? I'm not sure.

What I do know is that when customers vote with their dollars -- even if a lot of those dollars are already in the bank via season tickets -- the message carries far more weight than spewing venom on a hockey website or a post-game radio show.

THIS^. This is the sort of thinking we need to bring change. First ON writer that I have seen say fans need to hit ownership to make changes. Thank you RB!!!

Avatar
#80 Bryzarro World
November 16 2013, 04:26AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers
Clive wrote:

Cold Hard Truth - I like that title on one of the posted comments, but the bottom line is "Cold Hard Cash" The oilers make too much money as a franchise for Katz to make any management changes. It's not about wins but the year end accountant's financial statement. I'm not quite sure I have ever heard Katz talk about how important a winning team is to him?

You make a ton more money in the playoffs and I'm sure sales are falling as well...

Avatar
#81 Jason
November 16 2013, 09:52AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers

@camdog

I agree. I think one of the big problems is that they have tried to build a team that could win the cup in 1983, forgetting that it is now 2013.

Avatar
#82 outdoorzguy
November 16 2013, 09:53AM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers

Hey McTavish...see what Toronto just did..."BOLD MOVES"!!it can be done if you put a bit of effort into it.

Avatar
#83 4 Minute Mark
November 16 2013, 02:12PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers

@Robin Brownlee

Here is an idea. Those of us who have already paid for tickets still like a night out.

What if the fans ... ALL of us, pick a time, perhaps the 4 minute mark of the 3rd period and left. Everyone go ... especially on a nationally televised game. $ minuted being chosen because we are all tired of the Kevin Lowe show ...

Avatar
#84 jona
November 16 2013, 08:42AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

@hemi

plz get all this oilers management to be relieved!! look at this Buffalo sabres they cleaned up everything and LOOK the first game of the new coaching staff got a win right away..

Avatar
#85 camdog
November 16 2013, 09:24AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

I hear Mact go on and on about goaltending and defence, but right now they are not number one problem, they are being scapegoated and it is unfair.

The number one problem is this team is spent to the cap on over paid soft, forwards that don't score and don't win puck battles. The immediate need for this team is a couple of forwards that can actually win a battle for the puck.

I hated Krueger's game last season because he coached the Oilers like a European league team, aka they played to the outside. What I didn't understand is that is how Tambelini/Lowe built this team! I have no doubt that if we played on the big ice we would be successful, but this is the NHL, not the KHL!

Avatar
#86 **
November 16 2013, 10:59AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

MacTavish is in denial about the state of this team. Gordon, Perron, Ference, Belov, these guys just came from organizations where they were successful. They come here and they play so poorly. It is difficult to believe that it is the players' fault for not stepping up their game. There is obviously something not working with the coach's system. How long before MacT accepts he made a mistake and fires the coach.

The argument that this team needs stability and the coach can't get fired is a weak one. You can't keep a faulty part in an engine just because the last 4 you replaced were faulty as well. You keep looking for the right part until you find it.

The decision to sit down the best all around player in the team by all metrics (Arcobello) was to me the last straw. At least they finally told him he is staying.

Avatar
#87 **
November 16 2013, 11:01AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

diminishing expectations for the Oilers:

Make the playoffs. No?. Ok.

Win a game. No?. Ok.

Score a goal. Yes!!!!!!!!!Let's Go Oilers!!!!!!!!

Avatar
#88 **
November 16 2013, 11:09AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers
Bishai in the Benches wrote:

Went to a U of A Golden Bears game tonight instead of watching the Oilers. I can honestly say it's one of the best decisions I've made in a long time. I was so nice hearing the final horn sound, and not being pissed off. It cost me $7 to get in, $4.50 for a beer, the Bears outshot and outplayed Regina, it was fast, physical, entertaining hockey, the crowd was into it, and I enjoyed myself 100%. Although it may not be "the best league in the world", I'll take $7 hockey, an honest effort, and a win over the Oilers any day. CCIS and the U of A Golden Bears have just found a new fan. I urge you all to do the same.

If you bring a cushion, the seating at Clare Drake is actually much more comfortable than at Rexall.

Go G BEARS!!!!!!!!!

Avatar
#89 Rama Lama
November 16 2013, 11:11AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers
** wrote:

MacTavish is in denial about the state of this team. Gordon, Perron, Ference, Belov, these guys just came from organizations where they were successful. They come here and they play so poorly. It is difficult to believe that it is the players' fault for not stepping up their game. There is obviously something not working with the coach's system. How long before MacT accepts he made a mistake and fires the coach.

The argument that this team needs stability and the coach can't get fired is a weak one. You can't keep a faulty part in an engine just because the last 4 you replaced were faulty as well. You keep looking for the right part until you find it.

The decision to sit down the best all around player in the team by all metrics (Arcobello) was to me the last straw. At least they finally told him he is staying.

Could not agree with you more!

Avatar
#90 **
November 16 2013, 12:33PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

I would much rather see some of that arena money spent on building a better building for the Golden Bears. They are a much older tradition, win consistently, and are part of a very important institution in the province.

And boy does Clare Drake need an upgrade.

Avatar
#91 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 16 2013, 02:58PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

1st tier fans please hear me. I know you are going to the game tonight but send a message. Don't buy anything at the game until you see how they perform. If it is a good performance buy a beer/food/pop or whatever. If it is bad DO NOT GIVE ANY MORE MONEY!!!

If they still suck at the end of the 2nd just leave. Dont boo dont shout just get up at the end of the 2nd and keep going.

Although do it with 5 minutes left in the period will get better media coverage.

I know this is just my pipe dream but you have the power 1st tiers. I know you are better at being a fan than I am (since '79) so please fix this.

There that outta do it. :)

Avatar
#92 nick
November 16 2013, 04:11PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

I have been a season ticket holder for the Oilers since 1976, the old WHA days. Been through some rough times and some great times. I can honestly say I have never seen a team more poorly run than this organization. I have seen George Burnett coach a bad team but he did a better job than this Eakins clown with nothing to work with. I have stopped going to the Oiler games and will give my season tickets up next year. Don't care if someone else gets them, good luck with them. Can't stand MacTavish standing in front of a a mic and saying F#@#ALL He is clearly incompetent in this job. Katz has to step in and fire everyone from KLOWE all the way down to the last assistant coach and scout. Joey Moss is the only one that needs to stay. Only way this embarrassment of a team will every climb out of the toilet. The Islanders in their embarrassing days were a class organization compared to this joke here. Sick of it and will not take anymore.

Avatar
#93 Gordie Wayne
November 16 2013, 04:19PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

#PositiveThoughts

At least those onion rings behind Dallas Eakins in the photo sure look tasty!

Avatar
#94 Rdubb
November 16 2013, 06:02AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers

I personally would really like to hear who MacT & Eakins believe is giving it their all and who isn't... I'd also like to see MacT talk to Hall, Eberle & Ference and see who they feel is "tossing in the towel"? Eakins has to go back to last seasons special team play since his systems are near dead last in all categories, or is he hard headed? It's my opinion from watching this team both live and on TV that there are too many players who don't play with enough, or any, HEART! And if I (& many other fans can see it) than I am sure that they staff can see it, can't they? I hope, and really hope, that these players are sick of losing, and not because they are losing by being out talented, but losing by being out played (with not enough effort by all) & maybe than they'll start kicking people's butts on the team who figure talent alone should win...or am I being to optimistic?

Avatar
#95 Loweblows
November 16 2013, 08:16AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers

Glad Arco was sent down-great game by the invisible acton-mactavish couldn't managa a friggin circus-

Avatar
#96 Ari Gold
November 16 2013, 10:18AM
Trash it!
5
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers

P.S. 'Book it' makes you sound like a dbag Nuck/Leaf fan.

Avatar
#97 Johnnydapunk
November 16 2013, 10:50AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers
outdoorzguy wrote:

Hey McTavish...see what Toronto just did..."BOLD MOVES"!!it can be done if you put a bit of effort into it.

As much as I blame MacT for not getting, trading, or even signing players that the Oil needed, I think a big part of it which is sad but true is Edmonton is not that appealing of a place to live for well paid NHLers. It's easier for teams in big cities, or typically non hockey markets to sign and have players to agree to go to their teams because they are either wanting to live in a fairly large city, or not want to be noticed or annoyed in their off time.

I'm not saying it just to knock Edmonton as it is the city I grew up in but, it's the sad reality that sometimes players have to be overpaid to stay here. The Oilers are lucky that they have a pretty amazing history that some players want to be a part of.

I am guessing that I will get trashed for saying all that, but it is the reality.

Avatar
#98 Rama Lama
November 16 2013, 11:09AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers

I for one do not care anymore if they win or lose........just play hard and leave it all on the ice.

This team has been assembled with too much emphasis on skill /speed in stead of skill/size........those chickens are coming home to roost. The only one that can be held accountable for that is Kevin Lowe. He proclaimed long ago that small fast players given the new interferrence rules would rule the NHL world.

He and he alone is the master of this disaster. I can't wait for the day when the fans start chanting, "hey hey, ho ho, Kevin LOwe has got to go"!

Oh to see the look on his face!

Avatar
#99 Clive
November 16 2013, 02:07PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers

People talk about passion on the ice, I like the little bit of passion we are seeing off the ice. Even the little grumbling from Hall and Yakupov this week cannot go unnoticed by Lowe, Katz and management. After all a disgruntled employee is a bad employee and these guys are the cash cows the management is hoping to keep around for a long period of time. Sure, it would be great to see it on the ice, but these guys are 20 something and when I was in my 20's I think I showed my passion in the wrong way more than once. Get a few more guys to show their disgruntled pleasure at how the team is going and you'll see quicker movements in management than any financial hit. Here is some interesting stats on the Oilers financial situation: Forbes rates the Edmonton Oilers as the 14th most expensive NHL franchise, that means Gary Bettman has 16 other franchises to worry about financially before the Oilers (don't think there is much fear about Edmonton not having a NHL team, it's a good market) By the way, the lowest valued team in the NHL is the St. Louis Blues, I don't think anybody in Edmonton would mind if the current team moved out and that owner put his team where he can make a profit. The hockey would be good and something we could be proud off. Also, the Oilers have a positive gross income above about 20 odd teams. One team that has traditionally lost money year after year is the Anaheim Ducks, wonder what position they are in the NHL? Here is a suggestion, rather than empty the seats, boo the team like crazy in the second and third period, they take care of the score line. You'll definitely see some reaction from the players. I'll bet MacT will try to put differences between the fans and the players to make the players feel like he is their buddy but I really like what Dallas had to say about the fans - that they have a right to boo and expect better hockey. If you look at him, you can see he wears every loss on his shoulders, he hates it as much as the players and we do. I do not see the same expression on the Oilers of past.

Avatar
#100 MDAN25
November 16 2013, 02:30PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers

Leaving with 4 minutes in doesn't solve anything. Most of our games our half empty by the last few minutes anyways. I'm a season ticket holder and I have no problem giving up a game or two to have 2 empty seats there, but I'm not doing it in a small group.

RB - How can something like this be organized to get across to the entire fan base / season ticket holders? If something is planned for a specific game or two obviously some people will still go, but if we got the word out - I'm sure the majority of fans would stay home.

Comments are closed for this article.