SKID HALTED

Brian Sutherby
November 17 2013 08:33AM

It's only one win, against a team that isn't very good but it was nice to see some fire and the Oilers offense come to life in the third period. This team needs any positive energy they can get these days and who better to start with than the Flames?

It’s going to take way more than one good period to fix this squad and for 40 minutes it looked like every other game this season but they pulled it out.

BAD

The first period was not the type of period you would expect to see from a team that should be desperate for wins. For a good part of the first 40 minutes the Flames had control of the game. Both Flames goals were once again a direct result of turn overs.

For whatever reason the importance of making strong plays with the puck and keeping it out of the middle of the ice in your own end doesn’t quite resonate with this group. The defensemen were especially soft with the puck and if it wasn't for Dubnyk, many more giveaways could have easily ended up in their net.

GOOD

I really liked Gazdic’s fight tonight. The anti-fighting crowd will say “oh it was just another staged fight and served no purpose.”

I thought this was a great message to his team. Gazdic is tough but he’s not Brian McGrattan tough and I think most of the Oilers players would agree. Instead of hoping for a quiet game, he initiates a tilt with one of the toughest guys in the league and hangs in there for a very spirited scrap.

Did he win?

Probably not, but he didn’t lose. By his actions, he says to his bench that he’s willing to step up and challenge someone much bigger in his role. If he can do it, everyone else should be able to ask a little more of themselves.

When I saw guys do things like that, whether it was a guy fighting someone he probably shouldn’t or a skill guy out of his element blocking a shot or taking a run at someone, it made me want to do more. It makes guys look at themselves in the mirror and say if he’s willing to give more, why can’t I?

FERENCE

On most nights the only physical element (hitting and fighting) in the Oilers lineup has been Gazdic. I was waiting and hoping for someone other than Gazdic to step up and say enough is enough.

The players talk after every game of frustration and anger, yet we’ve never really seen anyone show it on the ice or channel it in an aggressive way. I really wanted to see someone you wouldn’t expect get pissed off. Run someone, slash someone or just yell at someone.  It’s not in the make-up of many of these players but finally someone did.

Ference gets hit twice in one shift and instead of rolling over, he got up and cleaned Stempniak's clock. There has not been near enough push back in any form of physicality with this group, but it was great to see last night. Good on the Captain.

DUBNYK

As mentioned above, he bailed his boys out on several occasions. It was a very solid game from him. You need your goalies to make a big save or two in any game, he did that tonight.

THIRD PERIOD

This was arguably their best period of the season. You could see the jump the Eberle goal gave them. It seemed like a weight was lifted off their backs. After his goal they completely took over. The offensive production came from all the players you would expect.

The way they generated their opportunities was the key for me. They created a ton off the cycle, they were more physical and they sustained pressure in the offensive zone for most of the third. That has rarely happened all season.

WINNING

Losing sucks no matter who you are and going through skids like this is just awful as a player and miserably hard on fans. It seems like no matter what you do on the ice; it’s just not good enough to get a winning result.

They still have a long way to go and I don’t think one period means anything but at least something positive went their way for the first time in a long time.

Look at the emotion after the third period goals, all of these guys want to win. It’s just a matter of figuring out how with this group.

Finding consistency is next.

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#51 Dqgc
November 17 2013, 11:57AM
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blue31 wrote:

Mark me down as not happy with what Ferrence did. I get that the team is frustrated, but knocking out a guys teeth because he made a good, legal check crosses a line. Stepniak did nothing wrong. Did not want to fight.

How many people here defending Ferrence also defended Sean Avery sucker punching Laddy Smid?

It wasn't a legal check. The puck wasn't there and it was high. If anything it could have been interference. Highly applaud Ference for taking the sneak to task because his team needed it and he knew it.

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#52 Hockey Problems
November 17 2013, 12:00PM
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@Negative Nancy...

I mean...@ Serious Gord

Clean hits result in fights every day. If Ferrence wouldn't have come back at Stempniak you would have stated how soft he is, that he can't lead the Oilers, no pushback, zero grit, lacking in toughness. You can find the negative in everything, can't you bud ?

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#53 pkam
November 17 2013, 12:00PM
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@blue31

Can't agree with you more.

Just imagine if Eberle or RNH hits an opponent player and get some teeth knocked out even if he does want to engage in the fight.

If we were the receiving end of that incident, pretty sure those cheer for this fight will be calling that a crime.

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#54 Spydyr
November 17 2013, 12:06PM
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pkam wrote:

Can't agree with you more.

Just imagine if Eberle or RNH hits an opponent player and get some teeth knocked out even if he does want to engage in the fight.

If we were the receiving end of that incident, pretty sure those cheer for this fight will be calling that a crime.

When was the last time Nuge or Ebs took a run at someone?

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#55 pkam
November 17 2013, 12:12PM
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Spydyr wrote:

When was the last time Nuge or Ebs took a run at someone?

Did Stempniak take a run at Ference? I thought that is a clean hit.

So it ia okay if we throw a clean hit, but it is a run if it is against us?

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#56 oilbaron
November 17 2013, 12:23PM
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I live in Calgary and went to the game last night. Have to say it was awesome to see the disappointment of the Calgary fans as Edmonton roared back in the 3rd.

Nice to at least catch one of their five wins!

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#57 Spydyr
November 17 2013, 12:27PM
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pkam wrote:

Did Stempniak take a run at Ference? I thought that is a clean hit.

So it ia okay if we throw a clean hit, but it is a run if it is against us?

Every hit is subjective but it looked like Ference thought it was. If it was me I would of too.

About time someone stood up and knocked out some chiclets .

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#58 pkam
November 17 2013, 12:30PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Every hit is subjective but it looked like Ference thought it was. If it was me I would of too.

About time someone stood up and knocked out some chiclets .

So it is okay to you if Eberle or RNH get a few teeth knocked out or even a concussion after throwing a clean hit because the other guy thinks he got run?

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#59 **
November 17 2013, 12:32PM
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I loved the fire from Ference and Gazdic. That is what a fourth line should be doing, and having your captain stand up for himself is never a bad thing. Not all players are on the same page though. I didn't like it on a play when Nuge let himself be pulled like a rag doll. He just had his arms down and let it happen. Good thing that N Schultz, Potter and even Eberle came to his rescue, but he needs to start asserting himself. I understand not being a physical type of layer, but you have to stand up for yourself, Like Hall kneeing Clutterbuck after being ran down the whole game or Yak the other day behind the other team's net.

Suck it flames.

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#60 Serious Gord
November 17 2013, 12:33PM
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BiG eLmO wrote:

Pessimistic much there, Gordie ?

A realist. That the oil struggled to beat the flames should have been an embarrassment.

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#61 dougtheslug
November 17 2013, 12:36PM
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http://youtu.be/UPw-3e_pzqU

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#62 Spydyr
November 17 2013, 12:37PM
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pkam wrote:

So it is okay to you if Eberle or RNH get a few teeth knocked out or even a concussion after throwing a clean hit because the other guy thinks he got run?

Yes , it is hockey.The NHL is a mans game defend yourself at all times. Look at Stortini's fights. Good old Huggy bear. If your gonna get tuned hang on for dear life.Even the renowned pugilist Gagner has been in a few scraps.Gretzky too.

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#63 D-Unit
November 17 2013, 12:39PM
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Spydyr wrote:

When was the last time Nuge or Ebs took a run at someone?

I for one would love if Nuge or Crazy Eyes took a run at someone. So what if someone wants to knock their teeth out. Might help draw the team together. We need people to show some fight and determination.

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#64 nrXic
November 17 2013, 12:40PM
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pkam wrote:

Did Stempniak take a run at Ference? I thought that is a clean hit.

So it ia okay if we throw a clean hit, but it is a run if it is against us?

Let me tell you what the Ference fight was a great play on a hockey level, but also on a level that relates to us in our everyday lives in terms of how we, as human beings, succeed or fail in our lives.

In fact, the fight by Ference could and should be labeled as "riveting" and "inspirational".

First off, Ference was reaching for a puck and was extremely vulnerable. Stumper took advantage of Ference in this dangerous position and delivered a shoulder to Ference's head.

A shot to the head, what is the response from the team? There wasn't any.

Ference takes matters into his own hands.

In this, there is a life lesson for all of us.

Stumper didn't want to fight. Ference rag-dolled him around, attempting to get Stumps to own up to his actions, something Stumps didn't want to do.

Many times in life, people will attempt to take advantage of you when you are in a precarious situation, and they do. Once you confront them, they will never own up to what they've done.

Ference made him own up to it.

With Stumper flailing all over the place, it seemed a fight was unlikely. Ference simply never took "no" as an option. It appeared fate said, "no fight tonight" and Ference was like, "I don't care what Fate or Destiny says, I'm taking what is mine!".

At that point, Fate resigned to Ference's will.

Stumps was felled after Ference, through force, made him accept the consequences of what he had done.

What was so movingly beautiful about this incident, was that after this point, no other Flames player took a run at an Oiler for the rest of the game.

No Oiler was, from that point on, was taken advantage of when they were in an awkward position. The Flames then thought twice about their actions, because they knew deep down inside that they would have to own up to it.

Such as in life, if you set a precedent in standing up for yourself, people will take notice and think twice about wronging you.

So. Message sent. Message received. This was the first game of a season series. Take a run at us, and you'll have to admit it.

"Intimidation" is a reality of the game that isn't measured by stats, not even advanced stats, but one that affects hockey plays and the game. Ference should be getting a lot more credit for this play, in my eyes.

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#65 Spydyr
November 17 2013, 12:40PM
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D-Unit wrote:

I for one would love if Nuge or Crazy Eyes took a run at someone. So what if someone wants to knock their teeth out. Might help draw the team together. We need people to show some fight and determination.

Word

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#66 Spydyr
November 17 2013, 12:42PM
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Let me tell you what the Ference fight was a great play on a hockey level, but also on a level that relates to us in our everyday lives in terms of how we, as human beings, succeed or fail in our lives.

In fact, the fight by Ference could and should be labeled as "riveting" and "inspirational".

First off, Ference was reaching for a puck and was extremely vulnerable. Stumper took advantage of Ference in this dangerous position and delivered a shoulder to Ference's head.

A shot to the head, what is the response from the team? There wasn't any.

Ference takes matters into his own hands.

In this, there is a life lesson for all of us.

Stumper didn't want to fight. Ference rag-dolled him around, attempting to get Stumps to own up to his actions, something Stumps didn't want to do.

Many times in life, people will attempt to take advantage of you when you are in a precarious situation, and they do. Once you confront them, they will never own up to what they've done.

Ference made him own up to it.

With Stumper flailing all over the place, it seemed a fight was unlikely. Ference simply never took "no" as an option. It appeared fate said, "no fight tonight" and Ference was like, "I don't care what Fate or Destiny says, I'm taking what is mine!".

At that point, Fate resigned to Ference's will.

Stumps was felled after Ference, through force, made him accept the consequences of what he had done.

What was so movingly beautiful about this incident, was that after this point, no other Flames player took a run at an Oiler for the rest of the game.

No Oiler was, from that point on, was taken advantage of when they were in an awkward position. The Flames then thought twice about their actions, because they knew deep down inside that they would have to own up to it.

Such as in life, if you set a precedent in standing up for yourself, people will take notice and think twice about wronging you.

So. Message sent. Message received. This was the first game of a season series. Take a run at us, and you'll have to admit it.

"Intimidation" is a reality of the game that isn't measured by stats, not even advanced stats, but one that affects hockey plays and the game. Ference should be getting a lot more credit for this play, in my eyes.

Perfectly well said. Props.

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#67 lucky
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@Neal

I am not sure what influence the coach can be, but I can say that I like to see the coach show some fire and emotion, and I haven't seen much of that from Eakins so far. I would be so behind seeing what effect a Patrick Roy could have behind this bench, that would certainly be an interesting thing to watch. I know that as a player and as a coach, controlled emotion on the bench is a factor.

It is painful watching these guys turn away from their checks and their reluctance to engage. They try playing no-hit hockey and that is one of the main reasons they don't win the puck back and they don't get secondary scoring chances (one and done). They've loaded up with the softer skill guys - the guys that play in the spaces, not in the crowds, and it's the plugger's job to get the puck to them. I always enjoyed watching 2 guys burn themselves out trying to get the puck away from George Laraque. It's an element this group doesn't have. It's so easy for opposing D to escape and move the puck out of trouble, they have to expend so little energy to do so. We keep looking for our younger Ryan Smyth in the system, a guy who wears the defence down but can still play hockey.

Sadly, you are bang on, it seems it will take a painful trade (the "bold move"). Which guy or guys? MacT is going to have to put his neck on the line, make the wrong move and it could (and should) cost him his job. Does he have the 'nads to do it? - that is the million dollar question. Anybody he sends away, who goes into the right mix, has the skill and if properly supported will SIUTBOHC, that's a given. Our only hope here, seeing as how the administration is not going anywhere, is that MacT is a smart enough guy to pull it off. So we wait ....

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#68 D-Unit
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pkam wrote:

So it is okay to you if Eberle or RNH get a few teeth knocked out or even a concussion after throwing a clean hit because the other guy thinks he got run?

It's okay by me. There are risks that need to be taken from time to time. Not just the risky pass up the middle, or taking the risk of not back checking and hoping they don't get scored on.

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#69 pkam
November 17 2013, 01:03PM
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nrXic wrote:

Let me tell you what the Ference fight was a great play on a hockey level, but also on a level that relates to us in our everyday lives in terms of how we, as human beings, succeed or fail in our lives.

In fact, the fight by Ference could and should be labeled as "riveting" and "inspirational".

First off, Ference was reaching for a puck and was extremely vulnerable. Stumper took advantage of Ference in this dangerous position and delivered a shoulder to Ference's head.

A shot to the head, what is the response from the team? There wasn't any.

Ference takes matters into his own hands.

In this, there is a life lesson for all of us.

Stumper didn't want to fight. Ference rag-dolled him around, attempting to get Stumps to own up to his actions, something Stumps didn't want to do.

Many times in life, people will attempt to take advantage of you when you are in a precarious situation, and they do. Once you confront them, they will never own up to what they've done.

Ference made him own up to it.

With Stumper flailing all over the place, it seemed a fight was unlikely. Ference simply never took "no" as an option. It appeared fate said, "no fight tonight" and Ference was like, "I don't care what Fate or Destiny says, I'm taking what is mine!".

At that point, Fate resigned to Ference's will.

Stumps was felled after Ference, through force, made him accept the consequences of what he had done.

What was so movingly beautiful about this incident, was that after this point, no other Flames player took a run at an Oiler for the rest of the game.

No Oiler was, from that point on, was taken advantage of when they were in an awkward position. The Flames then thought twice about their actions, because they knew deep down inside that they would have to own up to it.

Such as in life, if you set a precedent in standing up for yourself, people will take notice and think twice about wronging you.

So. Message sent. Message received. This was the first game of a season series. Take a run at us, and you'll have to admit it.

"Intimidation" is a reality of the game that isn't measured by stats, not even advanced stats, but one that affects hockey plays and the game. Ference should be getting a lot more credit for this play, in my eyes.

That is a clean shoulder to shoulder hit. He didn't jump and didn't lift his elbow and didn't target Ference head. You can spin all you want, I have watched the video replay many times. If you are interested to watch it again, here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcACqn1exm8

Stempniak didn't hit Ference at his head even though Ference put his head down and himself in a vulnerable position. Can't blame Stempniak for your own stupidity.

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#70 pkam
November 17 2013, 01:07PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Yes , it is hockey.The NHL is a mans game defend yourself at all times. Look at Stortini's fights. Good old Huggy bear. If your gonna get tuned hang on for dear life.Even the renowned pugilist Gagner has been in a few scraps.Gretzky too.

I agree if it is a dirty hit or a run like you said. But beat a guy for throwing a clean hit? Why don't we beat a buy that score on us too?

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#71 Spydyr
November 17 2013, 01:08PM
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pkam wrote:

That is a clean shoulder to shoulder hit. He didn't jump and didn't lift his elbow and didn't target Ference head. You can spin all you want, I have watched the video replay many times. If you are interested to watch it again, here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcACqn1exm8

Stempniak didn't hit Ference at his head even though Ference put his head down and himself in a vulnerable position. Can't blame Stempniak for your own stupidity.

Ference did not blame him .He beat the crap out of him.More please.

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#72 Hair bag
November 17 2013, 01:09PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Odd I didn't see him on the oilers roster...

He's an ex-player.

You're a tool....that's like saying a retired doctor knows nothing about medicine or health anymore because he's out of the industry - well I guarantee he knows a lot more than you, a retired hockey player is no different. Are you Mr. Negative in all aspects of your life.....are you a know-it-all everywhere else too. Don't worry the sky isn't really falling on your head you can stop walking around like a troll.

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#73 Spydyr
November 17 2013, 01:09PM
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pkam wrote:

I agree if it is a dirty hit or a run like you said. But beat a guy for throwing a clean hit? Why don't we beat a buy that score on us too?

Ok I had enough. If you don't like the violence in hockey perhaps it is not the sport for you.

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#74 nrXic
November 17 2013, 01:16PM
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pkam wrote:

That is a clean shoulder to shoulder hit. He didn't jump and didn't lift his elbow and didn't target Ference head. You can spin all you want, I have watched the video replay many times. If you are interested to watch it again, here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcACqn1exm8

Stempniak didn't hit Ference at his head even though Ference put his head down and himself in a vulnerable position. Can't blame Stempniak for your own stupidity.

His upper arm, right between his elbow and shoulder (closer to the shoulder), made contact with Ference's head.

The video clearly demonstrates the point of contact, but also, the complete follow through of Ference's head that experienced whiplash. Pause the video at 0:25 and you'll see Ference's head snap back. This would not occur if the hit made contact to the shoulder, collar, or chest.

This is all proven in the video, and absolutely nothing you can say, barring the claim that Pixar created that scene and it didn't actually happen, that will change the reality the footage captured.

Secondly, I find it interesting that you are ADMITTING that Ference was in a vulnerable position, which was the crux of my argument.

The Oilers being taken advantage of, when being vulnerable, is the main issue here.

Stumper taken to task on taking advantage of a vulnerable player, is exactly what we should all be happy about.

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#75 pkam
November 17 2013, 01:29PM
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nrXic wrote:

His upper arm, right between his elbow and shoulder (closer to the shoulder), made contact with Ference's head.

The video clearly demonstrates the point of contact, but also, the complete follow through of Ference's head that experienced whiplash. Pause the video at 0:25 and you'll see Ference's head snap back. This would not occur if the hit made contact to the shoulder, collar, or chest.

This is all proven in the video, and absolutely nothing you can say, barring the claim that Pixar created that scene and it didn't actually happen, that will change the reality the footage captured.

Secondly, I find it interesting that you are ADMITTING that Ference was in a vulnerable position, which was the crux of my argument.

The Oilers being taken advantage of, when being vulnerable, is the main issue here.

Stumper taken to task on taking advantage of a vulnerable player, is exactly what we should all be happy about.

Both Ference and Stempniak were going for the puck.

Stempniak didn't jump, he didn't extend his elbow out, if Ference didn't put his head down, it will be a clean shoulder to shoulder hit. How is it Stempniak's fault that Ference put his head down? So what should Stempniak do? Stop and give the puck to Ference because he put his head down?

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#76 David S
November 17 2013, 01:30PM
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nrXic wrote:

Let me tell you what the Ference fight was a great play on a hockey level, but also on a level that relates to us in our everyday lives in terms of how we, as human beings, succeed or fail in our lives.

In fact, the fight by Ference could and should be labeled as "riveting" and "inspirational".

First off, Ference was reaching for a puck and was extremely vulnerable. Stumper took advantage of Ference in this dangerous position and delivered a shoulder to Ference's head.

A shot to the head, what is the response from the team? There wasn't any.

Ference takes matters into his own hands.

In this, there is a life lesson for all of us.

Stumper didn't want to fight. Ference rag-dolled him around, attempting to get Stumps to own up to his actions, something Stumps didn't want to do.

Many times in life, people will attempt to take advantage of you when you are in a precarious situation, and they do. Once you confront them, they will never own up to what they've done.

Ference made him own up to it.

With Stumper flailing all over the place, it seemed a fight was unlikely. Ference simply never took "no" as an option. It appeared fate said, "no fight tonight" and Ference was like, "I don't care what Fate or Destiny says, I'm taking what is mine!".

At that point, Fate resigned to Ference's will.

Stumps was felled after Ference, through force, made him accept the consequences of what he had done.

What was so movingly beautiful about this incident, was that after this point, no other Flames player took a run at an Oiler for the rest of the game.

No Oiler was, from that point on, was taken advantage of when they were in an awkward position. The Flames then thought twice about their actions, because they knew deep down inside that they would have to own up to it.

Such as in life, if you set a precedent in standing up for yourself, people will take notice and think twice about wronging you.

So. Message sent. Message received. This was the first game of a season series. Take a run at us, and you'll have to admit it.

"Intimidation" is a reality of the game that isn't measured by stats, not even advanced stats, but one that affects hockey plays and the game. Ference should be getting a lot more credit for this play, in my eyes.

I like the cut of your jib sir.

http://youtu.be/TAryFIuRxmQ

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#77 D-Unit
November 17 2013, 01:36PM
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pkam wrote:

I agree if it is a dirty hit or a run like you said. But beat a guy for throwing a clean hit? Why don't we beat a buy that score on us too?

You are good at highlighting the Oilers problems but I don't think you are aware they are problems. Might not need to be fights, but a little physical damage to teams that score on them are what's needed. Not just take it. "Hey, we got scored on again. Let's all put our heads down, hey there's a crack in the ice, oh no, I better get off the, avoid eye contact at all cost".

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#78 Serious Gord
November 17 2013, 01:37PM
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Hair bag wrote:

You're a tool....that's like saying a retired doctor knows nothing about medicine or health anymore because he's out of the industry - well I guarantee he knows a lot more than you, a retired hockey player is no different. Are you Mr. Negative in all aspects of your life.....are you a know-it-all everywhere else too. Don't worry the sky isn't really falling on your head you can stop walking around like a troll.

The retired player had little better perspective than I or you on what happened regarding team morale on the bench last night. And the nearly thirty minute gap between the fights and the goal (and cgy scored one in the second and the scots were essentially tied in the second) would Favour my opinion - not yours.

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#79 The Swarm
November 17 2013, 01:42PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Ference did not blame him .He beat the crap out of him.More please.

best post of the year

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#80 nrXic
November 17 2013, 01:47PM
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pkam wrote:

Both Ference and Stempniak were going for the puck.

Stempniak didn't jump, he didn't extend his elbow out, if Ference didn't put his head down, it will be a clean shoulder to shoulder hit. How is it Stempniak's fault that Ference put his head down? So what should Stempniak do? Stop and give the puck to Ference because he put his head down?

To be clear, I never said it should have been an Elbowing, Boarding, or Roughing call against Stempniak. He hit Ference's head, but it wasn't intentional.

What was intentional was the fact that he hit a guy reaching for the puck, which is taking advantage of a guy in a dangerous position.

Does anyone remember when Sarich hit Hall when he was coming out of his zone with the puck with his head down? A lot of players hold back on those hits. Sure, a hard hit would be "clean", but potentially devastating for the other guy. Sarich didn't hold back. In fact he may have gotten his contract extension with the Flames as a result of that hit.

So this is why I haven't been focused on the legality of the hit. I'm only focused on the intention, which is taking maximum advantage of a guy reaching for a puck.

So what should Stempniak do? If a guy's upper body is exposed reaching for the puck, don't explode into the hit. Don't put all of your body into it. Don't do it if you aren't prepared to face consequences from your opponents. Go ahead, by all means do it if you are going to stick up for yourself and aren't going to turtle.

ANYWAYS, you know what's a discussion I'd rather be having?

Whether Yakupov intentionally made a soccer play to Hemsky for Hemmer's goal. Did he purposefully kick it in Hemmer's direction? I think he did, but didn't predict that sort of outcome. I think he was just sending it in that general direction.

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#81 Retsinnab5
November 17 2013, 01:51PM
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Ferrence's actions were disgusting. He attacked a dazed and unwilling participant and caused him injury. He was hit cleanly and reacted with cowardly assault. I expect him to be suspended.

why u heff to be mad?

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#82 pkam
November 17 2013, 02:02PM
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@nrXic

Both Ference and Stempniak were going for the puck. Normally, you would expect a hit from both side trying to knock the opponent off to gain possession of the puck.

I don't know why Ference chose to reach for the puck instead of doing what Stempniak did, knock your opponent off the puck.

So Stempniak is guilty of doing the right thing and his fault that Ference didn't engage in a hit but reach for the puck?

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#83 Thumby
November 17 2013, 02:07PM
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I have a comment on the Ference hit - I played and ref'd hock at high levels and technically I believe its interference to hit someone before they touch the puck. I know F was close to the puck but if I remember correctly, S hit F early and F was pissed about it.

IMO, he was right in his decision to exact a little retribution given the non call.

The fact S got pwned is irrelevant.

That is all.

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#84 Serious Gord
November 17 2013, 02:10PM
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Hair bag wrote:

You're a tool....that's like saying a retired doctor knows nothing about medicine or health anymore because he's out of the industry - well I guarantee he knows a lot more than you, a retired hockey player is no different. Are you Mr. Negative in all aspects of your life.....are you a know-it-all everywhere else too. Don't worry the sky isn't really falling on your head you can stop walking around like a troll.

And do you hear yourself and others?

Would you have seen yourself writing what you write now back at the beginning of the season? The oil record is 5-15-2. You are celebrating a squeaker win over arguably the weakest roster in the league. This oil team has been an unmitigated disaster this year. A worse performance than any other year in oilers history when compared with what the expectations were for many many fans - you included.

That I and others (DSF being another) were not fooled by the BS and remain unfooled should not be seen as negativity. Rather it is a clear eyed perspective that sees yesterday's result for what it was:

Nothing to celebrate. Especially when with such a big (relatively speaking) emphasis being placed on the game the team came out completely flat. They were lucky to get the win. They did nil to convince any relatively neutral observer that things have turned around in any significant way.

If you want to be pessimistic, take a look at the remainder of the season and try and handicap what the record will be for the rest of the year - the schedule is far tougher over th next sixty than it has been over the last 22.

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#85 Dockstaff
November 17 2013, 02:15PM
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It wasn't a legal check. The puck wasn't there and it was high. If anything it could have been interference. Highly applaud Ference for taking the sneak to task because his team needed it and he knew it.

This is when I like fighting in hockey. After he got pummled, you didn't see Stempniak throwing ANY weight around. And with it went Calgary's momentum. If you don't want to get pounded on, don't hit anyone! THAT's what fighting says. AND Stempniak's hit was an interference. It's not a sucker punch when you grab the guy, tell him you're going to fight, push him again, and then finally say fine, you're gonna take a beating then!

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The retired player had little better perspective than I or you on what happened regarding team morale on the bench last night. And the nearly thirty minute gap between the fights and the goal (and cgy scored one in the second and the scots were essentially tied in the second) would Favour my opinion - not yours.

I don't really know what you are trying to say here, but I think the gist of it is that there is a time limit on when players can find inspiration from the actions of their teammates....really!?! Is it not possible that someone stood up in the room in the second intermission and said, ' look at Cap and Gaz laying it on the line, time for the rest of us to suck it up!' No that doesn't apply because it happened 30min earlier so it has no bearing on the rest of the game...c'mon do better. You're always negative but usually there is a thread of logical thinking in your posts - not this time....

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#87 nrXic
November 17 2013, 02:18PM
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pkam wrote:

Both Ference and Stempniak were going for the puck. Normally, you would expect a hit from both side trying to knock the opponent off to gain possession of the puck.

I don't know why Ference chose to reach for the puck instead of doing what Stempniak did, knock your opponent off the puck.

So Stempniak is guilty of doing the right thing and his fault that Ference didn't engage in a hit but reach for the puck?

"Both Ference and Stempniak were going for the puck."

"I don't know why Ference chose to reach for the puck..."

And then...

"... instead of doing what Stempniak did, knock your opponent off the puck."

So which is it? You are contradicting yourself here. You claim that neither had possession of the puck. Then you claim that Stempniak is doing the "right thing" in knocking the "opponent off the puck" when you claimed earlier the Ference didn't even have the puck. Did he have it or did he not have hit?

I think you should get back to debating this with me once you've chosen a story you want to stick to.

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#88 Dockstaff
November 17 2013, 02:20PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Ferrence's actions were disgusting. He attacked a dazed and unwilling participant and caused him injury. He was hit cleanly and reacted with cowardly assault. I expect him to be suspended.

Perhaps you should switch to Figure Skating or Tennis? You clearly don't have the stomach for hockey... at least nothing higher than Pee-Wee!

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#89 DSF
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Just a few notes:

1) The Oilers won a game despite being outworked, outshot (35-23) and out chanced (60.7% - 39.3%) by a team with one of the weakest rosters and lowest payrolls in the league (27th).

2) The only reason they won is a couple of bad goals that got by an AHL level rookie goaltender who has all of SIX NHL games on his resume.

3) The Oilers record against teams that are currently in a playoff position is 1W 10L.

16 of their next 20 games are against teams currently in a playoff spot.

4) The Oilers playoff chances are currently 00.05%

5) The playoff cutoff in the WC this season currently projects to be 111 points.

At their current rate of production, the Oilers will finish with 44 points...an astounding 67 points out of the final playoff spot in the WC.

6) That's not good.

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#90 Bucky
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blue31 wrote:

Mark me down as not happy with what Ferrence did. I get that the team is frustrated, but knocking out a guys teeth because he made a good, legal check crosses a line. Stepniak did nothing wrong. Did not want to fight.

How many people here defending Ferrence also defended Sean Avery sucker punching Laddy Smid?

I think perhaps you and I saw this hit very differently. What I saw was a high hit that made contact with his head. Shoulder to head hits are dangerous. I am glad somebody showed enough testicular fortitude to stand up and take matters into their own hands instead of looking at the ref,saying WTF and then skating back to the bench feeling sorry for themselves. Would we be mad if that happened to somebody on our team? Hell yes, but you have to look at each and every incident separately. Chances of ANYBODY with comparing a sucker punch, when Smid was looking the other way(at the hockey game on the ice), is very slim. Just my humble opinion

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#91 Oiler Al
November 17 2013, 02:40PM
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@nrXic

Ference vs Stepniak.... get over it... on and on and on and on , laying on the same sensless , commentary just to be heard... too early in the day to be drunk

The only story here is that Stepniak got the sh.. kicked out of him... Hope Big Mac gets back and takes care of McGrattan next game.

Gadzic, is no heavy weight, besides a terrible fighter... waste of time. He certainly can't play hockey

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#92 David S
November 17 2013, 02:44PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

And do you hear yourself and others?

Would you have seen yourself writing what you write now back at the beginning of the season? The oil record is 5-15-2. You are celebrating a squeaker win over arguably the weakest roster in the league. This oil team has been an unmitigated disaster this year. A worse performance than any other year in oilers history when compared with what the expectations were for many many fans - you included.

That I and others (DSF being another) were not fooled by the BS and remain unfooled should not be seen as negativity. Rather it is a clear eyed perspective that sees yesterday's result for what it was:

Nothing to celebrate. Especially when with such a big (relatively speaking) emphasis being placed on the game the team came out completely flat. They were lucky to get the win. They did nil to convince any relatively neutral observer that things have turned around in any significant way.

If you want to be pessimistic, take a look at the remainder of the season and try and handicap what the record will be for the rest of the year - the schedule is far tougher over th next sixty than it has been over the last 22.

DSF I get. And he has alot of good points. But you? Unless you get paychecks with the Oilers logo in the top left corner signed by Patrick Laforge, most of your comments are no more than self serving at best.

Whether the Oilers win or lose or how they play has no real impact on your life, despite your best efforts to make us believe it does. You are neither their judge nor executioner.

If you're a season ticket holder the only reason you still hold those seats is because you believe it gives you license to cry and complain like a little girl. You call in to Bob at Oilers Now regularly acting like you actually have a point of view that matters to the team and that they personally owe you something. They don't.

It's a frickin' game man. Be happy, be passionate, be pissed off. Who cares.

But as far as I'm aware, nobody designated you chief representative of the fans in this city. You derive no income from such activities and you have no following.

I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.

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#93 Bucky
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I agree if it is a dirty hit or a run like you said. But beat a guy for throwing a clean hit? Why don't we beat a buy that score on us too?

Please stop taking. I have heard enough crying over this from you. The point of contact was shoulder pad to face. Period. I watched the hit live and then many times on replay. Head, not shoulder to shoulder. Stimpy made a hit that was questionable and was made to face the consequences. To quote somebody else " more please"

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#94 lucky
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@DSF

Yeah yeah. But they won! (Less wear and tear on the dog today)

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#95 Hair bag
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Serious Gord wrote:

And do you hear yourself and others?

Would you have seen yourself writing what you write now back at the beginning of the season? The oil record is 5-15-2. You are celebrating a squeaker win over arguably the weakest roster in the league. This oil team has been an unmitigated disaster this year. A worse performance than any other year in oilers history when compared with what the expectations were for many many fans - you included.

That I and others (DSF being another) were not fooled by the BS and remain unfooled should not be seen as negativity. Rather it is a clear eyed perspective that sees yesterday's result for what it was:

Nothing to celebrate. Especially when with such a big (relatively speaking) emphasis being placed on the game the team came out completely flat. They were lucky to get the win. They did nil to convince any relatively neutral observer that things have turned around in any significant way.

If you want to be pessimistic, take a look at the remainder of the season and try and handicap what the record will be for the rest of the year - the schedule is far tougher over th next sixty than it has been over the last 22.

I guess there is a reason for your handle SERIOUS Gord, this is sport/entertainment, not real life. I cheer for the team and 'yes' I do look for the positives because I am a FAN of the hockey team. However, if the team didn't exist tomorrow my life would still go on and I would be just fine. Do I get frustrated that the results haven't been better - you bet! But at the end of the day this is entertainment and you have to take a step back and put it into perspective. Before the season started we all knew the Oilers were not going to take a run at the Stanley Cup and realistically who knows when they will ever be in a position to do so again! It is a story unfolding before our eyes, that's why it is intriguing because we really don't actually know how it is going to turn out - if you are convinced that it is a tragedy stop watching and save yourself the pain - in the meantime the rest of us will hold onto the hope of better days...that is why we watch sports.

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#96 Randaman
November 17 2013, 03:30PM
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I agree if it is a dirty hit or a run like you said. But beat a guy for throwing a clean hit? Why don't we beat a buy that score on us too?

You can always watch figure skating if you don't like what you're watching. Wus!

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I don't really know what you are trying to say here, but I think the gist of it is that there is a time limit on when players can find inspiration from the actions of their teammates....really!?! Is it not possible that someone stood up in the room in the second intermission and said, ' look at Cap and Gaz laying it on the line, time for the rest of us to suck it up!' No that doesn't apply because it happened 30min earlier so it has no bearing on the rest of the game...c'mon do better. You're always negative but usually there is a thread of logical thinking in your posts - not this time....

Now you are fabricating a scenario for how the fights inspired a motivating second intermission speech. If so then it wasn't the fights per se but the hypothetical speech the fights triggered. That's logical?

That's fairy dust.

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#98 Serious Gord
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DSF I get. And he has alot of good points. But you? Unless you get paychecks with the Oilers logo in the top left corner signed by Patrick Laforge, most of your comments are no more than self serving at best.

Whether the Oilers win or lose or how they play has no real impact on your life, despite your best efforts to make us believe it does. You are neither their judge nor executioner.

If you're a season ticket holder the only reason you still hold those seats is because you believe it gives you license to cry and complain like a little girl. You call in to Bob at Oilers Now regularly acting like you actually have a point of view that matters to the team and that they personally owe you something. They don't.

It's a frickin' game man. Be happy, be passionate, be pissed off. Who cares.

But as far as I'm aware, nobody designated you chief representative of the fans in this city. You derive no income from such activities and you have no following.

I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.

Yeah I must not care. Calling into radio shows and posting on blogs for over a decade and watching the oilers play when I was living in Newfoundland when the puck drop was 11:30 nl time - that was all stuff that I did out of boredom.

If you have ever heard me on the radio sometimes you would know you are clueless about my level of enthusiasm/passion.

And as for my supposed relentless negativity - go back and read some of my comments on players like RNH and Hall and yak. There are future hall of famers on this team. Their careers are being destroyed by the owners and management. And mindless, unconditional support by fans makes them enablers in the destruction.

Being critical and demanding of management and - sometimes - players is a vital function for fans of a team to perform. It is they as customers who are the ultimate pressure point on management. Try and help out some time.

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#99 DSF
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I would imagine Andrew Ference has a date with Brian McGratton next time these teams play.

Had the score not been close last night, Ference would likely be a little battered and bruised today after an unprovoked attack on a woozy player who didn't want to fight.

Mark December 7th on your calendar.

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#100 Mikey
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nrXic wrote:

Let me tell you what the Ference fight was a great play on a hockey level, but also on a level that relates to us in our everyday lives in terms of how we, as human beings, succeed or fail in our lives.

In fact, the fight by Ference could and should be labeled as "riveting" and "inspirational".

First off, Ference was reaching for a puck and was extremely vulnerable. Stumper took advantage of Ference in this dangerous position and delivered a shoulder to Ference's head.

A shot to the head, what is the response from the team? There wasn't any.

Ference takes matters into his own hands.

In this, there is a life lesson for all of us.

Stumper didn't want to fight. Ference rag-dolled him around, attempting to get Stumps to own up to his actions, something Stumps didn't want to do.

Many times in life, people will attempt to take advantage of you when you are in a precarious situation, and they do. Once you confront them, they will never own up to what they've done.

Ference made him own up to it.

With Stumper flailing all over the place, it seemed a fight was unlikely. Ference simply never took "no" as an option. It appeared fate said, "no fight tonight" and Ference was like, "I don't care what Fate or Destiny says, I'm taking what is mine!".

At that point, Fate resigned to Ference's will.

Stumps was felled after Ference, through force, made him accept the consequences of what he had done.

What was so movingly beautiful about this incident, was that after this point, no other Flames player took a run at an Oiler for the rest of the game.

No Oiler was, from that point on, was taken advantage of when they were in an awkward position. The Flames then thought twice about their actions, because they knew deep down inside that they would have to own up to it.

Such as in life, if you set a precedent in standing up for yourself, people will take notice and think twice about wronging you.

So. Message sent. Message received. This was the first game of a season series. Take a run at us, and you'll have to admit it.

"Intimidation" is a reality of the game that isn't measured by stats, not even advanced stats, but one that affects hockey plays and the game. Ference should be getting a lot more credit for this play, in my eyes.

I can't agree enough. What Ferrence did was borderline. I want more borderline action from the oilers. Because once you do it a couple times the other team will take a second or two to think about running the oilers. I loved it. You can't tell me some players dont think twice when they are looking at Bertuzzi.

Also I would be pissed if that happened to the oilers.

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