THE BRYZ WITCH HUNT BEGINS

Wanye
November 18 2013 03:44PM

New Oilers tendy Ilya Bryzgalov faced the media for the first time this afternoon after practice. A great many questions lobbed in his direction were cringe worthy as the assembled scribes baited the newest Oiler to say something colourful and give them the quote they had all trudged down in the snow to get.

IS THIS HOW IT IS GOING TO GO?

We have spent a good amount of time watching Bryz interviews since the Oilers announced that they were bringing him in on a one year deal. The guy is clearly a different breed and his interviews on HBO's 24/7 are the stuff of legend. And it is embarassing to watch the reporters in this scrum try and pry out quotes of a similar ilk.

Bryz seems genuinely happy to be in Edmonton and grateful for a chance to be back in the NHL. Is Edmonton is first choice? No. But is he sounding like someone trying to make the best of things? Yes. He pumped the Oilers "great heritage" wisely lumping in Lowe and MacT in with Gretzky and Messier and seems be a happy go lucky fellow fighting through English as a second language to make himself understood.

But this wasn't a Dany Heatley type attitude - the guy doesn't seem to have a mean bone in his body. This didn't seem to make any sort of the impressions on the hostile crowd of mics who wanted him to diss the city, the fans or anything really and asked only questions of the sort.

It's clear everyone covering the team is looking for him to say something crazy asap. "Do you think you suck?" "Don't you hate Philly?" "Isn't Edmonton crappy?" "Are you mad you were bought out?" The awkward questions just came at the poor guy rapid fire. We can't think of any other Oiler being raked over the coals in such a fashion - much less in his first day on the job.

You can hear Ryan Rishaug trying to be a tough guy asking the hard questions of the newest Oiler throughout the clip. It would be grand if he would take a similar approach with MacT, Eakins or Lowe who actually have had an impact in the product on the ice not a guy who hasn't even suited up in a single game but there you go. 

Bryz wasn't having it. He stayed positive, stayed classy and made it through the gauntlet unscathed.

FOR THE RECORD

We saw a panel over the weekend on one of the networks suggest that Bryz was being brought in as a designated dressing room distraction designed to take the heat off the underperforming mega studs. If the Oilers are going to get things righted again reclamation projects are going to be a key part of the re-re-rebuild. The Oilers need to be a place where players can come to turn things around in a positive place - not in some hostile environment like what we see in the scrum above. Hopefully Bryz's new team mates are a bit more welcoming.

Not everyone in Edmonton wants you to fail. In fact some of us want to see you dominate. I'll say it again: Не каждый в Эдмонтонских желаниях Вы, чтобы терпеть неудачу. Фактически некоторые из нас хотят видеть, что Вы возглавляете.

Good luck to you Bryz.

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#101 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:32PM
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Cynic wrote:

"Statzis"

Perfect.

I'm stealing that. Just so you know.

You're welcome.

Enjoy!

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#102 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 08:38PM
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DSF wrote:

Take a closer look at these games.

Vancouver

Washington

Pittsburgh

Phoenix

Los Angeles

Detroit

Tampa Bay

Chicago

Dallas

San Jose

You know, the good teams.

They were buried.

It's a simple truth...they were playing like crap from the beginning of the season unless they were playing weak EC teams or the dregs of the west.

Swallow hard.

What is your basis for claiming the Devils, Habs and Pens are "weak EC teams?"

I'd be interested to hear it.

In case anyone is interested:

http://www.extraskater.com/teams/on-ice?type=total

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#103 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 08:49PM
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Ha!

Smid rushing to the net is musical. Love that guy. hilarious. Wish he potted that wrap around.

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#104 YWG
November 18 2013, 09:50PM
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John wrote:

I am pretty sure that there is no video with Bryz trashing Edmonton, he is talking about Winnipeg.

That's right Oiler fan, because while Bryz had complaints with Winnipeg weather, it's surely miles better in Edmonton huh? I'm pretty sure he made similar complaints or 'trashing' regarding both climates. But I guess we can see the Alberta education system hard at work here.

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#105 james_dean
November 18 2013, 09:53PM
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Rishaug was trying to dig too deep for a good quote

it will happen soon enough

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#106 PandaBearJelly
November 18 2013, 10:18PM
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@DSF

Dear lord this is the most ridiculous argument I have seen in a while. Do you two even know what you are fighting about anymore? seriously... Argument for the sake of argument.

In the end you are both saying the same thing. In the here and now, the Oil are a very poor team. You can look at the advanced stats or the simple narrative and you find yourself with the same story.

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#107 camdog
November 18 2013, 10:20PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Umm… so we're back to square one…

the Oilers were playing better (having better shot differentials) earlier

than they are now (much much worse shot differentials)

against some teams that have very poor shot differentials (Tor, WPG, Caps)

and some that have very good shot differentials (Habs, Devils, Pens).

So… reality.

The Oilers and every other Western Conference Team have better stats this season, than last year. It can not be under stated how weak the Eastern Conference is when compared to the Western Conference and to start the season the Oilers played a significant amount of games against the east. This skewed the results to make it look like the Oilers were improving, when in fact they were just playing easier competition.

Against Western Conference teams the Oilers have a signifcantly worse shot differntial this season then they did last season.

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#108 DSF
November 18 2013, 10:24PM
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camdog wrote:

The Oilers and every other Western Conference Team have better stats this season, than last year. It can not be under stated how weak the Eastern Conference is when compared to the Western Conference and to start the season the Oilers played a significant amount of games against the east. This skewed the results to make it look like the Oilers were improving, when in fact they were just playing easier competition.

Against Western Conference teams the Oilers have a signifcantly worse shot differntial this season then they did last season.

This.

Good grief, how hard is it to understand this?

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#109 DSF
November 18 2013, 10:28PM
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PandaBearJelly wrote:

Dear lord this is the most ridiculous argument I have seen in a while. Do you two even know what you are fighting about anymore? seriously... Argument for the sake of argument.

In the end you are both saying the same thing. In the here and now, the Oil are a very poor team. You can look at the advanced stats or the simple narrative and you find yourself with the same story.

No, we're not arguing the same thing.

Foghorn Leghorn is arguing the Oilers were "better" early this season based on their Corsi/Fenwick/ Fibonacci Sequence but, in fact, they were merely playing weak opposition.

As mentioned above, their shot differential against good WC teams is -41.

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#110 Cynic
November 18 2013, 10:50PM
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Because they all eat at the same buffet table in the press room. And work for the same company. Fans, on the other hand, wonder why Bryzgalov can't just play some hockey before the blowdried media weasels try to manufacture some quotes.

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#111 Naky
November 18 2013, 04:29PM
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Yeah, sure, Edmonton always has -32 temperatures in November and winter for 8 months of the year. He wasn't wrong at all.

Stop apologizing for him.

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#112 Bryzarro World
November 18 2013, 05:01PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I first met Bryzgalov during the 2005-06 season.

I won't pretend to know him, but my impressions are he is definitely out there and a bit of a kook. That said, I have yet to see or hear any indication of a mean or "I'm a jerk" bone in his body. He actually seems like a guy who'd be a laugh riot to hang out with.

I don't care if he's a bit of an oddball or if he's a helluva great guy with a nutbar edge, which I suspect he is. All that should matter from the team's point of view is that he can stop pucks and that he's a good teammate.

Lots of guys who were a bit bent have had nice runs in Edmonton -- Janne Niinimaa, Georges Laraque and Marty Reasoner, to name just three.

Kook how? What do you base it on? Kook like rebuilding and driving a car without a gas guage?

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#113 camdog
November 18 2013, 05:29PM
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On a positive note Mact bringing in Bryzgalof has deflected attention away from a hockey team that hasn't put together a solid 60 minute performance all season. Bravo to Mact you have succeeded.

On another note if you combine the Oilers and Flames wins this season in 42 games they have a total of 11 wins which is tied with the Canucks and only 3 wins back of Colorado for 8th.

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#114 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 07:43PM
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DSF wrote:

I don't hear enough of either one of them to make a judgement to be honest.

But based on comments here and elsewhere, Staufer has lost his critical eye now that he's on the team payroll.

No surprise there.

Stauffer has definitely lost a step in terms of massaging the realities.

But he's more than made up for it by having a much more complex understanding of the game that he's developed over the years.

Spector is a poor man's Skip Bayless. He relies entirely on simple narratives of what leads to success/failure.

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#115 PutzStew
November 18 2013, 08:00PM
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DSF wrote:

I don't hear enough of either one of them to make a judgement to be honest.

But based on comments here and elsewhere, Staufer has lost his critical eye now that he's on the team payroll.

No surprise there.

I heard Stauffer in other cities an he is a great interview. He speaks the trough in those situations, but when he is on CHED he always seems to be towing the party line??? I actually heard him say two opposite things in one day ac couple years ago, for a BOA. One on the Fan in Calgary and then he said the exact opposite in his show. It made no sense but also makes me wonder about the validity of the Edmonton Sports media.

Tow the line or else????

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#116 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:06PM
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merlen wrote:

1. What do you expect your role to be coming in at this stage? 2. How much have you been on the ice since your last full game? 3. Have you been training regularly through the fall? 4. Was there any talks with other organizations before the oilers? 5. Have you watched any oiler games since signing with the team?

When you're doing your next interview, you can use them, I really would like to know the answers. I know, there will be no youtube answers, but hey, you can hold your head up high, knowing you asked hockey questions...

Likely answers:

1) I play goal and stop pucks (duh)

2) I play in Las Vegas for a while and then I've been skating (duh)

3) Yes.

4) That was asked, He refused to answer.

5) That was asked. He said he watches all NHL.

So, we've learned absolutely nothing we didn't already know.

Pablum.

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#117 Cynic
November 18 2013, 08:20PM
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"Statzis"

Perfect.

I'm stealing that. Just so you know.

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#118 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 09:04PM
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DSF wrote:

"Advanced stats", to be charitable, are less valuable than "simple narratives" to predict outcomes.

Shot differentials over a large enough sample size will tell you pretty much everything you need to know.

And that stat has been around for decades.

Umm… so we're back to square one…

the Oilers were playing better (having better shot differentials) earlier

than they are now (much much worse shot differentials)

against some teams that have very poor shot differentials (Tor, WPG, Caps)

and some that have very good shot differentials (Habs, Devils, Pens).

So… reality.

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#119 Dog Train
November 18 2013, 11:11PM
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I hate how people keep calling Bryz 'controversial' or a 'cancer'. He's a quirky guy for sure but the media are such idiots when they ask him dumb questions directly after a tough game. I have to give hockey players credit, if I had to deal with the moronic questions that they get asked on a daily basis, I would be fined regularly. The media sure isn't helping make people feel comfortable in Edmonton after the whole Yakupov thing and now this.

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#120 Walter Sobchak
November 19 2013, 03:43AM
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DSF wrote:

No, we're not arguing the same thing.

Foghorn Leghorn is arguing the Oilers were "better" early this season based on their Corsi/Fenwick/ Fibonacci Sequence but, in fact, they were merely playing weak opposition.

As mentioned above, their shot differential against good WC teams is -41.

Whatever you guys are arguing about I don't really care.

This was just brilliant though!!

Foghorn Leghorn and the Fibonacci sequence made me spit my whisky right out of my nose!

Well played.

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#121 DrunkGuyTy
November 19 2013, 06:40AM
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DSF wrote:

So, what you are saying, in effect, is that any public figure should be above scrutiny unless the media member is directly paying or screwing the public figure?

Have I got that right?

No DSF, you twit. If that's what I was saying, I would have said that. You can scrutinize all you want. But these guys don't require your validation or personal approval for anything at all.

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#122 Naky
November 18 2013, 04:40PM
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Ah yes, I am completely brow beaten by poor attempts at sarcasm and empty comedic threats made over the internet.

Hey, remember that time when Sam Gagner was the definitive captain of the Oilers? Good times, good times. Oh wai-

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#123 SRELIOFAN
November 18 2013, 06:00PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I first met Bryzgalov during the 2005-06 season.

I won't pretend to know him, but my impressions are he is definitely out there and a bit of a kook. That said, I have yet to see or hear any indication of a mean or "I'm a jerk" bone in his body. He actually seems like a guy who'd be a laugh riot to hang out with.

I don't care if he's a bit of an oddball or if he's a helluva great guy with a nutbar edge, which I suspect he is. All that should matter from the team's point of view is that he can stop pucks and that he's a good teammate.

Lots of guys who were a bit bent have had nice runs in Edmonton -- Janne Niinimaa, Georges Laraque and Marty Reasoner, to name just three.

I miss Georges Laraque...

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#124 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:49PM
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merlen wrote:

As per Wikipedia - Selling out is the compromising of integrity, morality, or principles in exchange for personal gain.

Sound like most of the reporters in that room, all looking for the next youtube video response.

Please explain, in detail, how all "the reporters in the room compromised their integrity, morality or principles".

By making a rather odious attack on the character of "all the reporters in the room", I would think you may be compromising at least a couple of the principles you seem to be trying very awkwardly to defend...never mind making a slanderous statement.

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#125 olderthendirt
November 18 2013, 06:55PM
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Многие фанаты масленка надеюсь здоровый КОНКУРСЕ между вами и Dubnyk приведет к сильным Goaltending для остальной части года.

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#126 Rod from Viking
November 18 2013, 07:24PM
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DSF wrote:

"So what exactly does asking questions like "how did it make you feel that your team paid you money to not play with them?" and "did it make you angry?" relate to Ryan Smyth's opinion of Bryzgalov as a teammate?"

That's just ridiculous.

The questions about Bryzgalov's buy out and his suitability as a team mate were not related and were not even asked by the same reporter.

You seem to be seeing "the media" as some sort of evil amorphous blob where each individual is responsible for the behaviour of every other individual.

It would appear Spector has done his job by talking to team mates in Philadelphia and then following up how a current team mate views his arrival.

Unless, of course, you think he is lying.

You think their job is to get under his skin.

Can't help you out with your bias buddy.

Spector has become very anti-Oiler and pro Canucks over the last couple of years, remind you of someone?

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#127 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 07:26PM
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DSF wrote:

You clearly missed the lede and I'm sure it was intentional on your part.

"After bad reports from inside the Flyers room, it will be more important what his teammates here think."

Now, you may call into question the veracity of those "bad reports" but, unless you are accusing Spector of lying, asking questions of Bryzgalov's new team mates about how they view his arrival seems like a pretty reasonable thing for Spector to do.

As Smyth put it:

"But first and foremost, be a team-first guy.”

Do you believe Bryzgalov is a "team first guy"?

What evidence do you have of that?

How could I miss it when I quoted it? That doesn't even make sense.

You said: "Make note of Ryan Smyth's comments."

I did, and I made sure to include all the context Spector offered. Not sure what your beef is here.

I haven't accused Spector of anything. Nor have I questioned his asking Smyth (or any other Oiler) about what how they feel about Bryz coming in. That's not even remotely questionable in my book. It would be pure negligence to not ask any team about their thoughts on a new teammate.

Again, I didn't bring this question up and I haven't mentioned Spector at all. We are -- at your insistence -- discussing Smyth's words. Which are… as you would say, pablum.

I have zero evidence Bryz is a good or bad teammate. All I have is a series of reports on how "kooky" he is, which seems like a weird thing to get hectored about, esp. when his version of "kookiness" is pretty damn uninteresting by regular human standards (if not by sports personality standards).

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#128 PutzStew
November 18 2013, 07:27PM
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Naky wrote:

Sorry Wanye, gotta disagree with you on the media being hard on him and trying to make him slip up being a bad thing. He stood in front of a camera just a few years ago and crapped all over this city and its fanbase all the while laughing about it and talking down to the reporters. He had no problem speaking his mind then.

It's about karma. It always comes back to bite you in the ass. Right now, it's biting him in the ass. Hard. He never thought he'd ever be in this position, forced to sign with the one city he publicly trashed because nobody else would give him the time of day. He's eating humble pie and should swallow every little crumb of it.

So no. I welcome his discomfort. I want him under fire and mad. I want him itching to prove everyone wrong all the time because that means he's going to play harder - and perhaps more importantly, become a better person for it in the end.

He's learning a hard lesson. Let's find out if it sticks or if it's just lip service in the end.

Speaking of Karma…I've been wondering when it is going to come bit J. Shultz in the but after not signing in Anaheim. I can think of more guys who ended bad then good after the dissed a team (Heatley, Pronger, Lindros, ETC.)

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#129 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
November 18 2013, 07:31PM
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PutzStew wrote:

Ryan can't do it to Lowe and MacT because they'll send him gallows if he does. Robin on the other hand…Not on the Oilers Pay Role….GO GET EM CHAMP.

Not sure how much success Lowe/the Oilers would have punting anyone under that TSN umbrella to the curb. Them being joined at the hip with the league and all.

Agreed as to your point though. Someone needs to step outside their comfort zone to challenge them. If it's a group (TSN or CBC or SN) there may not be the bloodbath of a solo effort. We've seen a number of players throw themselves on grenades the last few yrs (Gags/Beauchemin, Gazdic/McGratton) Maybe Robin Brownlee as well, isn't afraid of a little blood. Not sure Dave would give him the time needed off.

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#130 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:07PM
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PutzStew wrote:

I heard Stauffer in other cities an he is a great interview. He speaks the trough in those situations, but when he is on CHED he always seems to be towing the party line??? I actually heard him say two opposite things in one day ac couple years ago, for a BOA. One on the Fan in Calgary and then he said the exact opposite in his show. It made no sense but also makes me wonder about the validity of the Edmonton Sports media.

Tow the line or else????

Absolutely.

Ask John Short.

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#131 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 08:13PM
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Stepniak exacting revenge against Ference by taking out Montoya.

Actually, looked entirely incidental, but Montoya's hair is hilarious and I for that reason, mostly, I hope he's ok. Looks fine.

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#132 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:47PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Hey DSF, is there any question you don't have the answer for?

...asking for a friend.

No.

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#133 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 08:52PM
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DSF wrote:

Read a little more closely.

I mentioned Pittsburgh as a good team.

New Jersey is currently in 11th spot in the weak EC. They would be in 13th in the WC. (1-4-3 vs. WC)

Montreal would be in 12th spot in the WC. (5-6-1 vs. WC)

Results matter.

Sorry, we were talking about adv. stats. remember? You brought it up, remember?

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#134 DSF
November 18 2013, 09:12PM
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Pouzar99 wrote:

As a former non sports (with one massive exception) journalist with 30 years experience I am in favour of asking very tough questions to authority figures. It is the job of the media to challenge the powerful, which means the politicians, the police, corporate leaders, and, yes, even sports figures. For the most part those tough question should be addressed to the general manager or the coach, however, but in some circumstances of athletes as well, usually in relation to controversial incidents.

Grilling an athlete who has not even played for the team, and is in now way responsible for its struggles is pushing things a bit, but I think it was absolutely right that Bryzgalov was asked about what went wrong in Philadelphia last season. After he made it clear that he did not acknowledge that his play or his allegedly "flakey" behaviour were part of the problem in Philadelphia, there was really no point in continuing to ask the same question in increasingly blunt and, frankly, insulting terms in an apparent attempt to goad Bryzgalov into an angry response. Listening to the scrum on the radio while driving I admit that I started to cringe a bit. As someone who cut his teeth as The Journal's only real investigative reporter for years I have had a lot of experience in asking tough questions to genuinely powerful people, but this was just inappropriate, amateurish behaviour in my opinion; the behaviour of someone who wants to be seen as a 'real' journalist, but doesn't real know how to be one. Bryz was asked and he answered. Now it is time to, as he asked, give him a chance to show what he can do.

How does a real sports journalist behave? The tough questions asked by Journal columnist John MacKinnon of Kevin Lowe at the press conference when MacTavish was appointed as GM were examples of real journalism and asking them takes real stones, believe me. His questions were pointed but absolutely fair and Lowe's angry reaction gave us some real insight. That is how you do it.

Agree for the most part.

As a former non sports journalist with 40 years experience I agree with your overall sentiment and the awkwardness of some of the questioning was palpable but the "amateurish" nature of the proceedings doesn't supersede the appropriateness of asking those questions.

I think part of the disconnect is that, for the most part, sports journalism is a contradiction in terms since there is a very long tradition of sports beat reporters to be nothing more than purveyors of cliches and platitudes and when any reporter tries to step out of the mold, it appears forced and odd.

I do agree that MacKinnon did something that is lacking in coverage of the Oilers but it is vey rare (even from MacKinnon) and, given the state of the team at this juncture should be much more in evidence.

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#135 dangilitis
November 18 2013, 09:39PM
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DSF wrote:

You're just giving Stauffer credit because he's parroting "advanced" stats which of course reaffirms your view (however flawed) of the world.

Simple narratives are often overlooked in the way that common sense is.

You were one of the many Statzis who were convinced the Oilers were making significant profess this season based on their "advanced" stats when pretty such any old fool could have told you (and did) that the Oilers early season Corsi/Fenwick/Close/Far/Even/ was based on the quality of their opponents and, as soon as they began to play better teams, they would go in the tank.

They did and they did.

That's a "simple narrative" that just happens to be accurate as so many of them are.

Please see a psychiatrist soon.

I don't understand how someone can trump advanced stats when it suits them to attack fans who are much more knowledgeable about their use than you are, but then turn your back on those who appraise them when it also suits you.

Oh, no, wait, I think I get it...

So, to recap - DSF dicktionary, volume 2 (just the last few days)

1) Olers are not tough enough, but Ference should not have stood up for himself against a guy who was pushing him around. And when he did, the only logical retribution would be to have a Flames player injure him (see Flames GDB for those of you who didn't see this logical chain of thought...)

2) Oilers suck because they have a poor corsi. But analysts who try to venture to understand advanced stats as a component of their analysis are outright morons.

3) Ryan Rishaug = dreamboat...

Well played, DSF. I am sure I will be coming out with DSF Dicktionary, volume 3 within the next few days, after you open your mouth a bit more.

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#136 Dangilitis
November 18 2013, 09:42PM
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DSF wrote:

Agree for the most part.

As a former non sports journalist with 40 years experience I agree with your overall sentiment and the awkwardness of some of the questioning was palpable but the "amateurish" nature of the proceedings doesn't supersede the appropriateness of asking those questions.

I think part of the disconnect is that, for the most part, sports journalism is a contradiction in terms since there is a very long tradition of sports beat reporters to be nothing more than purveyors of cliches and platitudes and when any reporter tries to step out of the mold, it appears forced and odd.

I do agree that MacKinnon did something that is lacking in coverage of the Oilers but it is vey rare (even from MacKinnon) and, given the state of the team at this juncture should be much more in evidence.

Sorry, must have missed #4

4) "former non sports journalist" - has been hack who knows nothing about hockey, other than how to poorly represent the Vancouver fan base and make a mockery of himself at each Oilers related blog...

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#137 Serious Gord
November 18 2013, 09:57PM
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Re: reporter ethics.

If you think rishaugs conduct was reprehensible, here is an example of what the Yankee reporter pool was like back in 1964 via David halberstams excellent book "1964" via a NYT column on the book:

"Among the new breed of sports reporter known as chipmunks was a writer who once asked a player about a telephone call that had interrupted an interview. When the reporter learned that the player's wife had been the caller and that she had been feeding their baby, he posed the un-locker-room-like question, "Breast or bottle?""

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#138 DSF
November 18 2013, 11:07PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I'll take this as a non-sequitur for your benefit, (even under these loose conditions this makes no sense).

I'm not in the least surprised that you can't understand a "simple narrative".

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#139 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 11:10PM
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DSF wrote:

I'm not in the least surprised that you can't understand a "simple narrative".

Your simple narrative being "The Habs play in the best division and are mediocre at best"?

I understand the grammar of it, certainly. The logical relation to reality is harder to parse.

Maybe once I figure out how "crappy" is better than "mediocre" I be able to work it out.

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#140 DSF
November 18 2013, 11:19PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Your simple narrative being "The Habs play in the best division and are mediocre at best"?

I understand the grammar of it, certainly. The logical relation to reality is harder to parse.

Maybe once I figure out how "crappy" is better than "mediocre" I be able to work it out.

No, the Habs play in a very weak division and conference and would be also rans in the WC.

Once you figure out that crappy and mediocre are synonyms I'm sure you'll do a bit better.

Until then, consider Chaos Theory...it's a lot of fun and has immense applications to the game of hockey.

"Ferroelectric materials are known for their ability to spontaneously switch polarization when an electric field is applied.

Using a scanning probe microscope, the ORNL-led team took advantage of this property to draw areas of switched polarization called domains on the surface of a ferroelectric material. To the researchers' surprise, when written in dense arrays, the domains began forming complex and unpredictable patterns on the material's surface.

"When we reduced the distance between domains, we started to see things that should have been completely impossible," said ORNL's Anton Ievlev, the first author on the paper published in Nature Physics. "All of a sudden, when we tried to draw a domain, it wouldn't form, or it would form in an alternating pattern like a checkerboard. At first glance, it didn't make any sense. We thought that when a domain forms, it forms. It shouldn't be dependent on surrounding domains."

After studying patterns of domain formation under varying conditions, the researchers realized the complex behavior could be explained through chaos theory.

One domain would suppress the creation of a second domain nearby but facilitate the formation of one farther away—a precondition of chaotic behavior, says ORNL's Sergei Kalinin, who led the study.

"Chaotic behavior is generally realized in time, not in space," he said.

"An example is a dripping faucet: sometimes the droplets fall in a regular pattern, sometimes not, but it is a time-dependent process.

To see chaotic behavior realized in space, as in our experiment, is highly unusual."

Have you ever watched a faucet drip and tried to predict the pattern.

I have.

Why didn't the dog bark?

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#141 David S
November 19 2013, 12:43AM
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No, the Habs play in a very weak division and conference and would be also rans in the WC.

Once you figure out that crappy and mediocre are synonyms I'm sure you'll do a bit better.

Until then, consider Chaos Theory...it's a lot of fun and has immense applications to the game of hockey.

"Ferroelectric materials are known for their ability to spontaneously switch polarization when an electric field is applied.

Using a scanning probe microscope, the ORNL-led team took advantage of this property to draw areas of switched polarization called domains on the surface of a ferroelectric material. To the researchers' surprise, when written in dense arrays, the domains began forming complex and unpredictable patterns on the material's surface.

"When we reduced the distance between domains, we started to see things that should have been completely impossible," said ORNL's Anton Ievlev, the first author on the paper published in Nature Physics. "All of a sudden, when we tried to draw a domain, it wouldn't form, or it would form in an alternating pattern like a checkerboard. At first glance, it didn't make any sense. We thought that when a domain forms, it forms. It shouldn't be dependent on surrounding domains."

After studying patterns of domain formation under varying conditions, the researchers realized the complex behavior could be explained through chaos theory.

One domain would suppress the creation of a second domain nearby but facilitate the formation of one farther away—a precondition of chaotic behavior, says ORNL's Sergei Kalinin, who led the study.

"Chaotic behavior is generally realized in time, not in space," he said.

"An example is a dripping faucet: sometimes the droplets fall in a regular pattern, sometimes not, but it is a time-dependent process.

To see chaotic behavior realized in space, as in our experiment, is highly unusual."

Have you ever watched a faucet drip and tried to predict the pattern.

I have.

Why didn't the dog bark?

Man. I love the booze too, but you gotta watch when you let the liquor loose and you start cruising fan forums. No good can come of it.

Ahem...uh so they say anyways. *Looks skyward, starts whistling*

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#142 Pouzar99
November 19 2013, 03:00AM
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Okay, DSF, I will indulge your curiosity. It was the story about Grant Fuhr's cocaine problem that Dave Staples and I did together, with Cam Cole coming in at the end to write columns about it. That would be about 23 years ago. Lets just say Dave and I have some pretty good war stories to tell about that one. My wild encounter with Glen Sather the day before it ran certainly outstripped anything I have experienced in the biz before or since.

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#143 Spurzey
November 19 2013, 08:19AM
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DSF is Dave Hester

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#144 Randomhero79
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as usual Sir.Wanye, great article. The Edmonton media scrums are starting to look like a gaggle of 14 year old girls, creating drama out of anything and whining about it when they get called on it. Not saying all media guys, or all 14 year old girls are like this, just 85% of them

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#145 woodenshoes
November 19 2013, 12:37PM
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DSF wrote:

I'm not sure this blog represent the general public very well at all.

There are some concerns about Bryzgalov's past behaviour outlined quite well by Spector here:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bryzgalov-officially-brings-his-act-to-oilers/

Make note of Ryan Smyth's comments.

Give me a break, the only thing ever "outlined quite well by Spector" is his shadow on a sunny day. Mark Spector is a tool, using him as reference to make your point doesn't...

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#146 HOFFFF
November 18 2013, 04:01PM
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This reminds me of Bryz! http://youtu.be/zOX4ZWo5d_g

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#147 Naky
November 18 2013, 04:44PM
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I tease, buddy, it's all in good fun.

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#148 Rama Lama
November 18 2013, 06:48PM
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@DSF

Gene, does not need a lot of prompting from me.........but you can bet that Ron McLean will have a fiun time with this as well.

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#149 Racki
November 18 2013, 06:53PM
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DSF wrote:

Affecting Bryzgalov's behaviour is not the media's job nor, I'm sure, was it their intention.

Asking Ryan Smyth about his thoughts on Bryzgalov's potential affect on the dressing room certainly seems like fair game to me.

Sure, it's fair game.. and what about his response that I'm supposed to be noting here? This seems like a pretty reasonable comment by Smyth. Again, he could say that about any goalie in the league.

And just what is the media's job then if it's not to ask questions we don't know the answers to and want to hear? It's their job to see if they can badger him into a good quote and give him props when he passes their test?

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#150 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:59PM
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DrunkGuyTy wrote:

It drives me nuts when media, fans etc. feel they are 'owed' answers or explanations from athletes. Unless you are paying the guy directly, related to him or screwing him, he doesn't owe you sh!t. I hope we are a better team with Bryz going forward.

So, what you are saying, in effect, is that any public figure should be above scrutiny unless the media member is directly paying or screwing the public figure?

Have I got that right?

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