THE BRYZ WITCH HUNT BEGINS

Wanye
November 18 2013 03:44PM

New Oilers tendy Ilya Bryzgalov faced the media for the first time this afternoon after practice. A great many questions lobbed in his direction were cringe worthy as the assembled scribes baited the newest Oiler to say something colourful and give them the quote they had all trudged down in the snow to get.

IS THIS HOW IT IS GOING TO GO?

We have spent a good amount of time watching Bryz interviews since the Oilers announced that they were bringing him in on a one year deal. The guy is clearly a different breed and his interviews on HBO's 24/7 are the stuff of legend. And it is embarassing to watch the reporters in this scrum try and pry out quotes of a similar ilk.

Bryz seems genuinely happy to be in Edmonton and grateful for a chance to be back in the NHL. Is Edmonton is first choice? No. But is he sounding like someone trying to make the best of things? Yes. He pumped the Oilers "great heritage" wisely lumping in Lowe and MacT in with Gretzky and Messier and seems be a happy go lucky fellow fighting through English as a second language to make himself understood.

But this wasn't a Dany Heatley type attitude - the guy doesn't seem to have a mean bone in his body. This didn't seem to make any sort of the impressions on the hostile crowd of mics who wanted him to diss the city, the fans or anything really and asked only questions of the sort.

It's clear everyone covering the team is looking for him to say something crazy asap. "Do you think you suck?" "Don't you hate Philly?" "Isn't Edmonton crappy?" "Are you mad you were bought out?" The awkward questions just came at the poor guy rapid fire. We can't think of any other Oiler being raked over the coals in such a fashion - much less in his first day on the job.

You can hear Ryan Rishaug trying to be a tough guy asking the hard questions of the newest Oiler throughout the clip. It would be grand if he would take a similar approach with MacT, Eakins or Lowe who actually have had an impact in the product on the ice not a guy who hasn't even suited up in a single game but there you go. 

Bryz wasn't having it. He stayed positive, stayed classy and made it through the gauntlet unscathed.

FOR THE RECORD

We saw a panel over the weekend on one of the networks suggest that Bryz was being brought in as a designated dressing room distraction designed to take the heat off the underperforming mega studs. If the Oilers are going to get things righted again reclamation projects are going to be a key part of the re-re-rebuild. The Oilers need to be a place where players can come to turn things around in a positive place - not in some hostile environment like what we see in the scrum above. Hopefully Bryz's new team mates are a bit more welcoming.

Not everyone in Edmonton wants you to fail. In fact some of us want to see you dominate. I'll say it again: Не каждый в Эдмонтонских желаниях Вы, чтобы терпеть неудачу. Фактически некоторые из нас хотят видеть, что Вы возглавляете.

Good luck to you Bryz.

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#151 DSF
November 18 2013, 07:14PM
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@Racki

"So what exactly does asking questions like "how did it make you feel that your team paid you money to not play with them?" and "did it make you angry?" relate to Ryan Smyth's opinion of Bryzgalov as a teammate?"

That's just ridiculous.

The questions about Bryzgalov's buy out and his suitability as a team mate were not related and were not even asked by the same reporter.

You seem to be seeing "the media" as some sort of evil amorphous blob where each individual is responsible for the behaviour of every other individual.

It would appear Spector has done his job by talking to team mates in Philadelphia and then following up how a current team mate views his arrival.

Unless, of course, you think he is lying.

You think their job is to get under his skin.

Can't help you out with your bias buddy.

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#152 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:06PM
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Harvey X. wrote:

It's a little disturbing how some people in the media try to create controversy before the guy even has his bags unpacked! He handled himself amazingly well under that kind of scrutiny.......give the guy a break and welcome him to town. He may have done said or done some things in the past that he now regrets but he's obviously looking forward and not back! Welcome to town Bryz!!!

He created the controversy, not the media.

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#153 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:13PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I didn't mention adv. stats. at all.

Stauffer is much more than that. Not having listened to him, I can see you must be an expert on his conversations and reflections on hockey.

I wasn't "convinced" of anything. I encourage you to find evidence of this claim.

They were playing better (and it was reflected in the stats., adv. and otherwise) and then they were playing much, much worse, (which… go figure, was also reflected in the stats).

Since when is discussing reality a strange thing to do.

I have listened to him from time to time...nothing earth shattering or even very interesting.

And, no you didn't mention advanced stats...I did.

And they weren't playing better...they were playing crappy opponents.

Take a look at their record against playoff teams and WC teams.

It's been crappy from day one.

Of course, that's a simple narrative that is backed up by the "advanced" stats, the real stats and their record.

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#154 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:50PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Ha!

Smid rushing to the net is musical. Love that guy. hilarious. Wish he potted that wrap around.

Wish he had scored there.

Would have been a great story.

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#155 Harlie
November 18 2013, 08:51PM
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I loved Shaug bringin the heat! Heck I was thinking while he was doing it that he was doing it for the benefit of us. Crazy me.

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#156 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 08:53PM
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DSF wrote:

Wish he had scored there.

Would have been a great story.

Totally, I hope they put him in the shootout!

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#157 Butters
November 18 2013, 09:25PM
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DSF wrote:

No.

Not always the correct one I've noticed ;-)

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#158 DSF
November 18 2013, 10:02PM
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Harlie wrote:

Cliches and platitudes and those lip smackin' mm mm good baby back ribbbbbs from TR's.

Pretty much sums it up.

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#159 Taylor Gang
November 18 2013, 10:47PM
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Bryz is back mofos!

Am I allowed to say that?

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#160 DSF
November 18 2013, 10:53PM
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Pouzar99 wrote:

Yes, I mostly agree with what DSF says about the Bryz interview, but once you have asked it a few times and the player has gone as far as he is going to go, you have to let go unless you have a very different angle. You can hardly compare the Bryz situation with grilling a politician about a scandal.

While I do not wholly disagree with your comment about sports reporters, I think you underestimate just how tough their job is. It is a great deal easier to ask a politician a tough question than a football player or hockey player, who is accustomed to settling disagreements violently. I have total admiration for the courage of Cam Cole, Robin and many others who write critical things about these people and then show up in the locker room the next day and face them. I suspect I would be sweating like a pig. Give them credit. I have been face-to-face with unhappy cops but nothing quite compares to the confrontations I experienced in the one major sports story I did.

All beat reporters face the same worry; being cut out of the loop and getting beaten to stories by their less challenging rivals.

I think the one thing that makes sports reporting more difficult is the ability of sports teams to control access.

While most public figures have no or limited control over media access, sports teams can easily shut out troublesome reporters or, at least, make it very difficult for them to do their jobs.

In this day and age, if an athlete physically attacked a reporter his career would be over while, as we've seen with the EPS harassment of Edmonton journalists, the police and other public figures can find more insidious ways of striking out.

So much of a journalists mojo comes from how supportive his employer is if he treads on dangerous ground.

I'm intensely curious about the major sports story you covered.

Can you share anything?

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#161 james_dean
November 18 2013, 10:53PM
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Crackenbury wrote:

I'd love to throw in my 2 cents about Rishaug and the news conference, but I didn't hear it. Judging from the posts on this board he must have been an unbelievable jerk. I can't reconcile that with what I've seen from him in the past.

Were his questions really that inappropriate? What exactly could have been that bad? Why are Gregor and Brownlee supporting Rishaug, while most of the posters on this board seem to have a different view?

When one of my friends is getting beaten down, right or wrong i will always jump in.

Cant fault the nation boys

Its the bro mentality and you gotta respect that

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#162 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 11:03PM
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DSF wrote:

Sorry Sparky but teams that couldn't compete in hockey's best division are mediocre...at best.

Check standings...swallow hard.

I'll take this as a non-sequitur for your benefit, (even under these loose conditions this makes no sense).

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#163 DSF
November 18 2013, 11:06PM
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** wrote:

if anything, Dubnyk has been playing far superior since the announcement Bryz was coming to town.

Randomness is your friend.

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#164 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 11:28PM
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@DSF

Non sequitur was a better interpretation then.

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#165 Rob...
November 19 2013, 07:56AM
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@DSF

"Ferroelectric materials are known for their ability to spontaneously switch polarization when an electric field is applied."

How is it 'spontaneous' if the reverse polarization only occurs when an electric field is applied? I'm pretty sure that's the opposite of spontaneous.

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#166 Fresh Mess
November 18 2013, 05:01PM
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I for one am one. Just sayin.

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#167 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:11PM
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Racki wrote:

We're not that naive to think that the questions weren't asked with some hope of getting a rise out of him. Good on Bryzy for answering the questions well, but I think when you ask a guy "how does it feel to be paid not to play for a team" and then "did it make you angry" you're looking for a certain type of response.

It wasn't that bad, I suppose, but I don't really see how Bryzgalov has to answer for his past. He's here, it's a new start, why can't we just think of it as that? Why is it necessary to poke the beehive to see if that great quote will drop out?

Hopefully you media folks actually do just move on and focus on his current game though now that he's gone through this unnecessary media initiation.

The media's job, in a case like this, is to represent the general public and to ask questions that many of them may have.

Had it been a press conference which focused solely on what Bryzgalov brings to the Oilers, I am sure he would have been happy to tell us he knows the teams' "back is against the wall and he will "give 110 percent" to make it all okay.

Pablum.

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#168 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:34PM
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Racki wrote:

The feeling that I'm getting from comments here is the general public wasn't actually looking for answers to the questions asked.

I'm not sure this blog represent the general public very well at all.

There are some concerns about Bryzgalov's past behaviour outlined quite well by Spector here:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bryzgalov-officially-brings-his-act-to-oilers/

Make note of Ryan Smyth's comments.

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#169 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:37PM
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kale wrote:

I agree totally...Bryzgalov does not have to answer for his past, thats the media thinking they have a right to know. The only thing relevant about the past is his on ice record, the rest is just media jockeying for the scoop. Would be nice to have seen a classier reception for Bryz. Welcome Bryz, hope you have a great experience here. Finally that propaganda comment, I dont see how it wreaks of envy, no offence but such a commentt sounds arrogant to me and assumes everyone wants to work for the media-thats wrong

Do you really think it's the media's job to welcome Bryzgalov to Edmonton and wish him well?

Is that any different than if the Toronto media is hoping Doug Ford had a nice time at the party and hoping his past behaviour is all in the past?

You might want to do a little brushing up on the role of the media in a democracy.

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#170 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:46PM
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Racki wrote:

Well then, thank god the media is here to correct his behavioral problems.

And I'm not sure how Rayn Smyth's recommendation to Bryzgalov (which I think really could be given to any goalie) is more representative of the general public than people here. I don't see it as anything damning either. Seems like a pretty reasonable comment. Do you think the media was doing us all a solid by making sure Bryzgalov was going to follow Smytty's grand advice?

Affecting Bryzgalov's behaviour is not the media's job nor, I'm sure, was it their intention.

Asking Ryan Smyth about his thoughts on Bryzgalov's potential affect on the dressing room certainly seems like fair game to me.

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#171 DSF
November 18 2013, 07:26PM
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Racki wrote:

Who said I have a hate on for the media? I don't even consider Rishaug an "evil amorphous blob". It seems now that you're creating something out of nothing to support your usual weak argument. If you look back, you'll see that I said I like Ryan Rishaug (one of my favorite reporters, actually)... I just took issue with the couple of questions he asked.

I used the term "Media" for brevity here.. I could have been more specific, naming names and naming specific questions (which I already did), but that would make every reply I make quite verbose.

Anyways, I'm going to follow Mark Twain's sage advice here before you pull me even further under with your nonsensical argument for the sake of argument.

Based on your previous posts I assume this is what you found objectionable?

"Good on Bryzy for answering the questions well, but I think when you ask a guy "how does it feel to be paid not to play for a team" and then "did it make you angry" you're looking for a certain type of response."

How about the reporter was looking for an honest answer?

If this had been a politician who was given a multi million dollar "golden handshake" for dereliction of duty, I'm sure you wouldn't find the questions to be out of line.

Do your sports heroes deserve special treatment?

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#172 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 07:33PM
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http://firstrownow.eu/watch/222362/1/watch-russia-vs-qmjhl.html

this is much more interesting.

Ivan Barbashev looks very good.

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#173 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:32PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

If the teams they were playing well against early in the season (Devils, Habs, Leafs, Caps, Pens) were all unflinchingly brutal possession teams (applies to us, Leafs, Caps), you'd have a point!

Besides, quality of competition, road games, etc. were all acknowledged at the time.

It is a very simple truth. They were playing better. Then they were playing much much worse.

This isn't some incomprehensible logic at work here. No one is proclaiming some truth that is hard to swallow.

you are merely arguing to be disagreeable.

Take a closer look at these games.

Vancouver

Washington

Pittsburgh

Phoenix

Los Angeles

Detroit

Tampa Bay

Chicago

Dallas

San Jose

You know, the good teams.

They were buried.

It's a simple truth...they were playing like crap from the beginning of the season unless they were playing weak EC teams or the dregs of the west.

Swallow hard.

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#174 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:59PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Sorry, we were talking about adv. stats. remember? You brought it up, remember?

"Advanced stats", to be charitable, are less valuable than "simple narratives" to predict outcomes.

Shot differentials over a large enough sample size will tell you pretty much everything you need to know.

And that stat has been around for decades.

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#175 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:59PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Sorry, we were talking about adv. stats. remember? You brought it up, remember?

"Advanced stats", to be charitable, are less valuable than "simple narratives" to predict outcomes.

Shot differentials over a large enough sample size will tell you pretty much everything you need to know.

And that stat has been around for decades.

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#176 DSF
November 18 2013, 09:16PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Umm… so we're back to square one…

the Oilers were playing better (having better shot differentials) earlier

than they are now (much much worse shot differentials)

against some teams that have very poor shot differentials (Tor, WPG, Caps)

and some that have very good shot differentials (Habs, Devils, Pens).

So… reality.

Habs: -1.1 SH/G

Devils: +0.9 SH/G

Those are not very good shot differentials...they stink.

The Penguins, as I noted earlier, are a very good team and their record shows it.

Might want to take a look at the shot differentials against the good teams I mentioned earlier.

It ain't pretty.

Here I'll get you started.

Game 1 - Winnipeg Jets 38F 28A (still managed to lose the game)

Game 2 - Vancouver Canucks 23F 44A (oops...good team)

Game 3 - New Jersey Devils 27F 25A (crappy EC team)

Game 4 - Montreal Canadiens 28F 27A (mediocre EC team)

Game 5 - Toronto Maple Leafs 31F 26A (everyone outshoots the Leafs)

Game 6 - Washington Capitals 20F 20A (mediocre EC team)

Game 7 - Pittsburgh Penguins 22F 28A (oops another good team)

Game 8 - New York Islanders 29F 40A (shameful)

Game 9 - Ottawa Senators 21F 36 A (shameful)

Game 10 - Montreal Canadiens 32F 32A (against a weak EC team)

Game 11 - Washington 31F 26A (another weak EC team)

Game 12 - Phoenix Coyotes 30F 28A (good job!)

Game 13 - Los Angles Kings 18F 40A (oh the humanity)

Game 14 - Toronto Maple Leafs 43F 26A (and they lost 4-0)

Game 15 - Florida Panthers 27F 23A (Florida.)

Now, take a close look at the shot differential against WC teams who are currently in the playoffs. (-41)

It gets worse from here.

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#177 Harlie
November 18 2013, 09:49PM
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@DSF

Cliches and platitudes and those lip smackin' mm mm good baby back ribbbbbs from TR's.

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#178 Crackenbury
November 18 2013, 10:34PM
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I'd love to throw in my 2 cents about Rishaug and the news conference, but I didn't hear it. Judging from the posts on this board he must have been an unbelievable jerk. I can't reconcile that with what I've seen from him in the past.

Were his questions really that inappropriate? What exactly could have been that bad? Why are Gregor and Brownlee supporting Rishaug, while most of the posters on this board seem to have a different view?

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#179 DSF
November 18 2013, 10:55PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

The Devils at 11th in the league in shots % are "crappy"?

Cool!

The Habs at 16th in the league, however, are "mediocre"?

interesting.

I'm not convinced those words mean what you think they mean.

At any rate, all these numbers do it restate what everyone but yourself acknowledges: They were playing better and then worse.

This marvel of information, of course, escapes you!

But, how can someone who can't sort out "mediocre" from "crappy" adequately be expected to do any better?

Sorry Sparky but teams that couldn't compete in hockey's best division are mediocre...at best.

Check standings...swallow hard.

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#180 DSF
November 18 2013, 11:37PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Non sequitur was a better interpretation then.

"Chaotic behavior is generally realized in time, not in space,"

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#181 RUkiddingme?
November 19 2013, 07:47AM
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The Hall Way wrote:

Did he say, he skated one week in Glaucoma???!!

I understood every word he said, just curious, how's your russian?

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#182 camdog
November 18 2013, 05:35PM
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John wrote:

I am pretty sure that there is no video with Bryz trashing Edmonton, he is talking about Winnipeg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ns14hRqwY8

I guess it depends on your perspective, by reading some of the utube comments some Edmontonians would disagree with your interpretation.

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#183 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:54PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Ok.

After bad reports from inside the Flyers room, it will be more important what his teammates here think. Eakins has mined all of his sources and claims he was told that Bryzgalov will be a fine teammate. I heard different, and asked veteran Ryan Smyth what Bryzgalov’s priorities should be upon joining his latest team here in Edmonton. “Put the team before yourself,” he says. “And, absolutely, stop the puck. But first and foremost, be a team-first guy.”

Not really sure what I'm supposed to make note of here. Stop pucks and play for the team!

Not exactly an incisive look into the soul and character of Bryz and his reception by the team.

I'm not entirely sure a computer couldn't have generated this quote.

You clearly missed the lede and I'm sure it was intentional on your part.

"After bad reports from inside the Flyers room, it will be more important what his teammates here think."

Now, you may call into question the veracity of those "bad reports" but, unless you are accusing Spector of lying, asking questions of Bryzgalov's new team mates about how they view his arrival seems like a pretty reasonable thing for Spector to do.

As Smyth put it:

"But first and foremost, be a team-first guy.”

Do you believe Bryzgalov is a "team first guy"?

What evidence do you have of that?

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#184 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:57PM
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Racki wrote:

Sure, it's fair game.. and what about his response that I'm supposed to be noting here? This seems like a pretty reasonable comment by Smyth. Again, he could say that about any goalie in the league.

And just what is the media's job then if it's not to ask questions we don't know the answers to and want to hear? It's their job to see if they can badger him into a good quote and give him props when he passes their test?

If there were no questions about Bryzgalov's bona fides as a team mate, I'm pretty certain Spector wouldn't have asked the question and, even if he did, Smyth would likely have not stressed the "team first" aspect in his answer.

You are jumping to the conclusion, likely based on your personal bias, that the media was "badgering" Bryzgalov.

I certainly didn't hear that.

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#185 DSF
November 18 2013, 07:28PM
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merlen wrote:

If you re-read my comment, you'll notice I didn't say "all" reporters. I said "most". Meaning the ones asking the stupid questions, trying to get a reaction out of Bryz, so they can have a headline tomorrow.

I'd assume those reporters are educated, but yet, no educated questions...

Which reporters then?

Name them or you're tarring all of them with the same brush.

And here's something for you...

What are 5 questions you would have asked Bryzgalov that would have elicited any meaningful answers?

Go.

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#186 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:47PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

What is your basis for claiming the Devils, Habs and Pens are "weak EC teams?"

I'd be interested to hear it.

In case anyone is interested:

http://www.extraskater.com/teams/on-ice?type=total

Read a little more closely.

I mentioned Pittsburgh as a good team.

New Jersey is currently in 11th spot in the weak EC. They would be in 13th in the WC. (1-4-3 vs. WC)

Montreal would be in 12th spot in the WC. (5-6-1 vs. WC)

Results matter.

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#187 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 09:08PM
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Ha!

Monahan. Kid's got the Midas Touch! Fantastic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_XLOBDo_Y

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#188 DSF
November 18 2013, 09:30PM
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Butters wrote:

Not always the correct one I've noticed ;-)

Pretty much.

Ask me about the Minnesota Wild. 💥

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#189 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 10:49PM
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camdog wrote:

The Oilers and every other Western Conference Team have better stats this season, than last year. It can not be under stated how weak the Eastern Conference is when compared to the Western Conference and to start the season the Oilers played a significant amount of games against the east. This skewed the results to make it look like the Oilers were improving, when in fact they were just playing easier competition.

Against Western Conference teams the Oilers have a signifcantly worse shot differntial this season then they did last season.

Except for the EC teams we are discussing, or do you only deal in generalities?

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#190 Harlie
November 19 2013, 09:42AM
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Pouzar99 wrote:

Okay, DSF, I will indulge your curiosity. It was the story about Grant Fuhr's cocaine problem that Dave Staples and I did together, with Cam Cole coming in at the end to write columns about it. That would be about 23 years ago. Lets just say Dave and I have some pretty good war stories to tell about that one. My wild encounter with Glen Sather the day before it ran certainly outstripped anything I have experienced in the biz before or since.

Hi Tom!

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#191 Poly
November 19 2013, 09:47AM
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Cynic wrote:

Did anyone at the media scrum ask about Bryzgalov's Corgis? Because if this site has taught me anything, it's that Corgis are a big deal.

So awesome.

I did some research and his Corgi's are very impressive. They are like hot blondes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVqbTVa7LBU

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#192 Czar
November 19 2013, 10:08AM
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@DSF

"Swallow hard."

Story of your life or a trade secret there Fluffy?

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#193 nunyour
November 19 2013, 10:48AM
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So the media has sent the bar,can't wait for the next Klowe interview.

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#194 nunyour
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So the media has set the bar,can't wait for the next Klowe interview.

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