THE BRYZ WITCH HUNT BEGINS

Wanye
November 18 2013 03:44PM

New Oilers tendy Ilya Bryzgalov faced the media for the first time this afternoon after practice. A great many questions lobbed in his direction were cringe worthy as the assembled scribes baited the newest Oiler to say something colourful and give them the quote they had all trudged down in the snow to get.

IS THIS HOW IT IS GOING TO GO?

We have spent a good amount of time watching Bryz interviews since the Oilers announced that they were bringing him in on a one year deal. The guy is clearly a different breed and his interviews on HBO's 24/7 are the stuff of legend. And it is embarassing to watch the reporters in this scrum try and pry out quotes of a similar ilk.

Bryz seems genuinely happy to be in Edmonton and grateful for a chance to be back in the NHL. Is Edmonton is first choice? No. But is he sounding like someone trying to make the best of things? Yes. He pumped the Oilers "great heritage" wisely lumping in Lowe and MacT in with Gretzky and Messier and seems be a happy go lucky fellow fighting through English as a second language to make himself understood.

But this wasn't a Dany Heatley type attitude - the guy doesn't seem to have a mean bone in his body. This didn't seem to make any sort of the impressions on the hostile crowd of mics who wanted him to diss the city, the fans or anything really and asked only questions of the sort.

It's clear everyone covering the team is looking for him to say something crazy asap. "Do you think you suck?" "Don't you hate Philly?" "Isn't Edmonton crappy?" "Are you mad you were bought out?" The awkward questions just came at the poor guy rapid fire. We can't think of any other Oiler being raked over the coals in such a fashion - much less in his first day on the job.

You can hear Ryan Rishaug trying to be a tough guy asking the hard questions of the newest Oiler throughout the clip. It would be grand if he would take a similar approach with MacT, Eakins or Lowe who actually have had an impact in the product on the ice not a guy who hasn't even suited up in a single game but there you go. 

Bryz wasn't having it. He stayed positive, stayed classy and made it through the gauntlet unscathed.

FOR THE RECORD

We saw a panel over the weekend on one of the networks suggest that Bryz was being brought in as a designated dressing room distraction designed to take the heat off the underperforming mega studs. If the Oilers are going to get things righted again reclamation projects are going to be a key part of the re-re-rebuild. The Oilers need to be a place where players can come to turn things around in a positive place - not in some hostile environment like what we see in the scrum above. Hopefully Bryz's new team mates are a bit more welcoming.

Not everyone in Edmonton wants you to fail. In fact some of us want to see you dominate. I'll say it again: Не каждый в Эдмонтонских желаниях Вы, чтобы терпеть неудачу. Фактически некоторые из нас хотят видеть, что Вы возглавляете.

Good luck to you Bryz.

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#1 Naky
November 18 2013, 04:18PM
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Sorry Wanye, gotta disagree with you on the media being hard on him and trying to make him slip up being a bad thing. He stood in front of a camera just a few years ago and crapped all over this city and its fanbase all the while laughing about it and talking down to the reporters. He had no problem speaking his mind then.

It's about karma. It always comes back to bite you in the ass. Right now, it's biting him in the ass. Hard. He never thought he'd ever be in this position, forced to sign with the one city he publicly trashed because nobody else would give him the time of day. He's eating humble pie and should swallow every little crumb of it.

So no. I welcome his discomfort. I want him under fire and mad. I want him itching to prove everyone wrong all the time because that means he's going to play harder - and perhaps more importantly, become a better person for it in the end.

He's learning a hard lesson. Let's find out if it sticks or if it's just lip service in the end.

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#2 Jason Gregor
November 18 2013, 05:36PM
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I didn't have a major issue with the questions. The ones you thought were tough, were about what happened in Philly.

Bryz was bought out for a reason. I think he has to answer for his past for one day. Now it turns to him playing.

I liked his responses. He stood his ground, answered them and said judge him for what he does here. I respect that.

If he plays well, people will notice and talk about it. He was paid $23 million to leave a team, so I don't think it was unfair to ask him he feels like he has something to prove.

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#3 Robin Brownlee
November 18 2013, 05:48PM
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He Who Knows wrote:

Ryan Rishaug is where he is because he sold out a long time ago. Mainstream media is a propaganda machine.

Rishaug sold out? How? Comments like that just drip with envy.

MSM is a propaganda machine? Do tell. What, was Rishaug asking Bryzgalov tough questions because he thinks that will garner him favour with EDM management, which obviously thinks bringing Bryz in is worthwhile?

Explain to me, if Rishaug "sold out," how asking the questions he did today makes him part of a propaganda machine. Let's hear it.

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#4 DSF
November 18 2013, 05:55PM
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I didn't hear even one inappropriate question.

Rishaug, or no other member of the Edmonton media are responsible for Bryzgalov's "reputation" and asking him direct questions about his experience in Philly or his reputation as a space cadet are hardly out of line.

On the other side of the coin, I thought Bryz handled himself very well and, when not comfortable answering a probing question, as is his right, he deflected them very well.

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#5 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:06PM
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Harvey X. wrote:

It's a little disturbing how some people in the media try to create controversy before the guy even has his bags unpacked! He handled himself amazingly well under that kind of scrutiny.......give the guy a break and welcome him to town. He may have done said or done some things in the past that he now regrets but he's obviously looking forward and not back! Welcome to town Bryz!!!

He created the controversy, not the media.

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#6 Naky
November 18 2013, 04:29PM
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Yeah, sure, Edmonton always has -32 temperatures in November and winter for 8 months of the year. He wasn't wrong at all.

Stop apologizing for him.

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#7 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:37PM
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kale wrote:

I agree totally...Bryzgalov does not have to answer for his past, thats the media thinking they have a right to know. The only thing relevant about the past is his on ice record, the rest is just media jockeying for the scoop. Would be nice to have seen a classier reception for Bryz. Welcome Bryz, hope you have a great experience here. Finally that propaganda comment, I dont see how it wreaks of envy, no offence but such a commentt sounds arrogant to me and assumes everyone wants to work for the media-thats wrong

Do you really think it's the media's job to welcome Bryzgalov to Edmonton and wish him well?

Is that any different than if the Toronto media is hoping Doug Ford had a nice time at the party and hoping his past behaviour is all in the past?

You might want to do a little brushing up on the role of the media in a democracy.

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#8 Naky
November 18 2013, 04:40PM
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Ah yes, I am completely brow beaten by poor attempts at sarcasm and empty comedic threats made over the internet.

Hey, remember that time when Sam Gagner was the definitive captain of the Oilers? Good times, good times. Oh wai-

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#9 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:06PM
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merlen wrote:

1. What do you expect your role to be coming in at this stage? 2. How much have you been on the ice since your last full game? 3. Have you been training regularly through the fall? 4. Was there any talks with other organizations before the oilers? 5. Have you watched any oiler games since signing with the team?

When you're doing your next interview, you can use them, I really would like to know the answers. I know, there will be no youtube answers, but hey, you can hold your head up high, knowing you asked hockey questions...

Likely answers:

1) I play goal and stop pucks (duh)

2) I play in Las Vegas for a while and then I've been skating (duh)

3) Yes.

4) That was asked, He refused to answer.

5) That was asked. He said he watches all NHL.

So, we've learned absolutely nothing we didn't already know.

Pablum.

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#10 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:34PM
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Racki wrote:

The feeling that I'm getting from comments here is the general public wasn't actually looking for answers to the questions asked.

I'm not sure this blog represent the general public very well at all.

There are some concerns about Bryzgalov's past behaviour outlined quite well by Spector here:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bryzgalov-officially-brings-his-act-to-oilers/

Make note of Ryan Smyth's comments.

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#11 DSF
November 18 2013, 07:14PM
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@Racki

"So what exactly does asking questions like "how did it make you feel that your team paid you money to not play with them?" and "did it make you angry?" relate to Ryan Smyth's opinion of Bryzgalov as a teammate?"

That's just ridiculous.

The questions about Bryzgalov's buy out and his suitability as a team mate were not related and were not even asked by the same reporter.

You seem to be seeing "the media" as some sort of evil amorphous blob where each individual is responsible for the behaviour of every other individual.

It would appear Spector has done his job by talking to team mates in Philadelphia and then following up how a current team mate views his arrival.

Unless, of course, you think he is lying.

You think their job is to get under his skin.

Can't help you out with your bias buddy.

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#12 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:59PM
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DrunkGuyTy wrote:

It drives me nuts when media, fans etc. feel they are 'owed' answers or explanations from athletes. Unless you are paying the guy directly, related to him or screwing him, he doesn't owe you sh!t. I hope we are a better team with Bryz going forward.

So, what you are saying, in effect, is that any public figure should be above scrutiny unless the media member is directly paying or screwing the public figure?

Have I got that right?

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#13 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:47PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Hey DSF, is there any question you don't have the answer for?

...asking for a friend.

No.

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#14 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:11PM
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Racki wrote:

We're not that naive to think that the questions weren't asked with some hope of getting a rise out of him. Good on Bryzy for answering the questions well, but I think when you ask a guy "how does it feel to be paid not to play for a team" and then "did it make you angry" you're looking for a certain type of response.

It wasn't that bad, I suppose, but I don't really see how Bryzgalov has to answer for his past. He's here, it's a new start, why can't we just think of it as that? Why is it necessary to poke the beehive to see if that great quote will drop out?

Hopefully you media folks actually do just move on and focus on his current game though now that he's gone through this unnecessary media initiation.

The media's job, in a case like this, is to represent the general public and to ask questions that many of them may have.

Had it been a press conference which focused solely on what Bryzgalov brings to the Oilers, I am sure he would have been happy to tell us he knows the teams' "back is against the wall and he will "give 110 percent" to make it all okay.

Pablum.

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#15 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:57PM
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Racki wrote:

Sure, it's fair game.. and what about his response that I'm supposed to be noting here? This seems like a pretty reasonable comment by Smyth. Again, he could say that about any goalie in the league.

And just what is the media's job then if it's not to ask questions we don't know the answers to and want to hear? It's their job to see if they can badger him into a good quote and give him props when he passes their test?

If there were no questions about Bryzgalov's bona fides as a team mate, I'm pretty certain Spector wouldn't have asked the question and, even if he did, Smyth would likely have not stressed the "team first" aspect in his answer.

You are jumping to the conclusion, likely based on your personal bias, that the media was "badgering" Bryzgalov.

I certainly didn't hear that.

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#16 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:49PM
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merlen wrote:

As per Wikipedia - Selling out is the compromising of integrity, morality, or principles in exchange for personal gain.

Sound like most of the reporters in that room, all looking for the next youtube video response.

Please explain, in detail, how all "the reporters in the room compromised their integrity, morality or principles".

By making a rather odious attack on the character of "all the reporters in the room", I would think you may be compromising at least a couple of the principles you seem to be trying very awkwardly to defend...never mind making a slanderous statement.

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#17 DSF
November 18 2013, 07:54PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Stauffer has definitely lost a step in terms of massaging the realities.

But he's more than made up for it by having a much more complex understanding of the game that he's developed over the years.

Spector is a poor man's Skip Bayless. He relies entirely on simple narratives of what leads to success/failure.

You're just giving Stauffer credit because he's parroting "advanced" stats which of course reaffirms your view (however flawed) of the world.

Simple narratives are often overlooked in the way that common sense is.

You were one of the many Statzis who were convinced the Oilers were making significant profess this season based on their "advanced" stats when pretty such any old fool could have told you (and did) that the Oilers early season Corsi/Fenwick/Close/Far/Even/ was based on the quality of their opponents and, as soon as they began to play better teams, they would go in the tank.

They did and they did.

That's a "simple narrative" that just happens to be accurate as so many of them are.

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#18 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:13PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I didn't mention adv. stats. at all.

Stauffer is much more than that. Not having listened to him, I can see you must be an expert on his conversations and reflections on hockey.

I wasn't "convinced" of anything. I encourage you to find evidence of this claim.

They were playing better (and it was reflected in the stats., adv. and otherwise) and then they were playing much, much worse, (which… go figure, was also reflected in the stats).

Since when is discussing reality a strange thing to do.

I have listened to him from time to time...nothing earth shattering or even very interesting.

And, no you didn't mention advanced stats...I did.

And they weren't playing better...they were playing crappy opponents.

Take a look at their record against playoff teams and WC teams.

It's been crappy from day one.

Of course, that's a simple narrative that is backed up by the "advanced" stats, the real stats and their record.

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#19 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:54PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Ok.

After bad reports from inside the Flyers room, it will be more important what his teammates here think. Eakins has mined all of his sources and claims he was told that Bryzgalov will be a fine teammate. I heard different, and asked veteran Ryan Smyth what Bryzgalov’s priorities should be upon joining his latest team here in Edmonton. “Put the team before yourself,” he says. “And, absolutely, stop the puck. But first and foremost, be a team-first guy.”

Not really sure what I'm supposed to make note of here. Stop pucks and play for the team!

Not exactly an incisive look into the soul and character of Bryz and his reception by the team.

I'm not entirely sure a computer couldn't have generated this quote.

You clearly missed the lede and I'm sure it was intentional on your part.

"After bad reports from inside the Flyers room, it will be more important what his teammates here think."

Now, you may call into question the veracity of those "bad reports" but, unless you are accusing Spector of lying, asking questions of Bryzgalov's new team mates about how they view his arrival seems like a pretty reasonable thing for Spector to do.

As Smyth put it:

"But first and foremost, be a team-first guy.”

Do you believe Bryzgalov is a "team first guy"?

What evidence do you have of that?

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#20 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:07PM
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PutzStew wrote:

I heard Stauffer in other cities an he is a great interview. He speaks the trough in those situations, but when he is on CHED he always seems to be towing the party line??? I actually heard him say two opposite things in one day ac couple years ago, for a BOA. One on the Fan in Calgary and then he said the exact opposite in his show. It made no sense but also makes me wonder about the validity of the Edmonton Sports media.

Tow the line or else????

Absolutely.

Ask John Short.

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#21 DSF
November 18 2013, 06:46PM
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Racki wrote:

Well then, thank god the media is here to correct his behavioral problems.

And I'm not sure how Rayn Smyth's recommendation to Bryzgalov (which I think really could be given to any goalie) is more representative of the general public than people here. I don't see it as anything damning either. Seems like a pretty reasonable comment. Do you think the media was doing us all a solid by making sure Bryzgalov was going to follow Smytty's grand advice?

Affecting Bryzgalov's behaviour is not the media's job nor, I'm sure, was it their intention.

Asking Ryan Smyth about his thoughts on Bryzgalov's potential affect on the dressing room certainly seems like fair game to me.

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#22 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:32PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

If the teams they were playing well against early in the season (Devils, Habs, Leafs, Caps, Pens) were all unflinchingly brutal possession teams (applies to us, Leafs, Caps), you'd have a point!

Besides, quality of competition, road games, etc. were all acknowledged at the time.

It is a very simple truth. They were playing better. Then they were playing much much worse.

This isn't some incomprehensible logic at work here. No one is proclaiming some truth that is hard to swallow.

you are merely arguing to be disagreeable.

Take a closer look at these games.

Vancouver

Washington

Pittsburgh

Phoenix

Los Angeles

Detroit

Tampa Bay

Chicago

Dallas

San Jose

You know, the good teams.

They were buried.

It's a simple truth...they were playing like crap from the beginning of the season unless they were playing weak EC teams or the dregs of the west.

Swallow hard.

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#24 DSF
November 18 2013, 07:26PM
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Racki wrote:

Who said I have a hate on for the media? I don't even consider Rishaug an "evil amorphous blob". It seems now that you're creating something out of nothing to support your usual weak argument. If you look back, you'll see that I said I like Ryan Rishaug (one of my favorite reporters, actually)... I just took issue with the couple of questions he asked.

I used the term "Media" for brevity here.. I could have been more specific, naming names and naming specific questions (which I already did), but that would make every reply I make quite verbose.

Anyways, I'm going to follow Mark Twain's sage advice here before you pull me even further under with your nonsensical argument for the sake of argument.

Based on your previous posts I assume this is what you found objectionable?

"Good on Bryzy for answering the questions well, but I think when you ask a guy "how does it feel to be paid not to play for a team" and then "did it make you angry" you're looking for a certain type of response."

How about the reporter was looking for an honest answer?

If this had been a politician who was given a multi million dollar "golden handshake" for dereliction of duty, I'm sure you wouldn't find the questions to be out of line.

Do your sports heroes deserve special treatment?

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#25 DSF
November 18 2013, 07:28PM
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merlen wrote:

If you re-read my comment, you'll notice I didn't say "all" reporters. I said "most". Meaning the ones asking the stupid questions, trying to get a reaction out of Bryz, so they can have a headline tomorrow.

I'd assume those reporters are educated, but yet, no educated questions...

Which reporters then?

Name them or you're tarring all of them with the same brush.

And here's something for you...

What are 5 questions you would have asked Bryzgalov that would have elicited any meaningful answers?

Go.

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#26 Harlie
November 18 2013, 08:51PM
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I loved Shaug bringin the heat! Heck I was thinking while he was doing it that he was doing it for the benefit of us. Crazy me.

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#27 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:32PM
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Cynic wrote:

"Statzis"

Perfect.

I'm stealing that. Just so you know.

You're welcome.

Enjoy!

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#28 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:59PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Sorry, we were talking about adv. stats. remember? You brought it up, remember?

"Advanced stats", to be charitable, are less valuable than "simple narratives" to predict outcomes.

Shot differentials over a large enough sample size will tell you pretty much everything you need to know.

And that stat has been around for decades.

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#29 DSF
November 18 2013, 09:12PM
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Pouzar99 wrote:

As a former non sports (with one massive exception) journalist with 30 years experience I am in favour of asking very tough questions to authority figures. It is the job of the media to challenge the powerful, which means the politicians, the police, corporate leaders, and, yes, even sports figures. For the most part those tough question should be addressed to the general manager or the coach, however, but in some circumstances of athletes as well, usually in relation to controversial incidents.

Grilling an athlete who has not even played for the team, and is in now way responsible for its struggles is pushing things a bit, but I think it was absolutely right that Bryzgalov was asked about what went wrong in Philadelphia last season. After he made it clear that he did not acknowledge that his play or his allegedly "flakey" behaviour were part of the problem in Philadelphia, there was really no point in continuing to ask the same question in increasingly blunt and, frankly, insulting terms in an apparent attempt to goad Bryzgalov into an angry response. Listening to the scrum on the radio while driving I admit that I started to cringe a bit. As someone who cut his teeth as The Journal's only real investigative reporter for years I have had a lot of experience in asking tough questions to genuinely powerful people, but this was just inappropriate, amateurish behaviour in my opinion; the behaviour of someone who wants to be seen as a 'real' journalist, but doesn't real know how to be one. Bryz was asked and he answered. Now it is time to, as he asked, give him a chance to show what he can do.

How does a real sports journalist behave? The tough questions asked by Journal columnist John MacKinnon of Kevin Lowe at the press conference when MacTavish was appointed as GM were examples of real journalism and asking them takes real stones, believe me. His questions were pointed but absolutely fair and Lowe's angry reaction gave us some real insight. That is how you do it.

Agree for the most part.

As a former non sports journalist with 40 years experience I agree with your overall sentiment and the awkwardness of some of the questioning was palpable but the "amateurish" nature of the proceedings doesn't supersede the appropriateness of asking those questions.

I think part of the disconnect is that, for the most part, sports journalism is a contradiction in terms since there is a very long tradition of sports beat reporters to be nothing more than purveyors of cliches and platitudes and when any reporter tries to step out of the mold, it appears forced and odd.

I do agree that MacKinnon did something that is lacking in coverage of the Oilers but it is vey rare (even from MacKinnon) and, given the state of the team at this juncture should be much more in evidence.

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#30 james_dean
November 18 2013, 09:53PM
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Rishaug was trying to dig too deep for a good quote

it will happen soon enough

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#31 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:59PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Sorry, we were talking about adv. stats. remember? You brought it up, remember?

"Advanced stats", to be charitable, are less valuable than "simple narratives" to predict outcomes.

Shot differentials over a large enough sample size will tell you pretty much everything you need to know.

And that stat has been around for decades.

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#32 Naky
November 18 2013, 04:44PM
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I tease, buddy, it's all in good fun.

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#33 DSF
November 18 2013, 11:06PM
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** wrote:

if anything, Dubnyk has been playing far superior since the announcement Bryz was coming to town.

Randomness is your friend.

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#34 merlen
November 18 2013, 04:28PM
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The more interviews I watch of Ilya Bryzgalov, the more I like this guy. I don't care if he can stop the puck or not, as long as they let him talk. All I want, is to be entertained by these guys, one way or another...Go Bryzzzzzzz!!!

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#35 camdog
November 18 2013, 05:29PM
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On a positive note Mact bringing in Bryzgalof has deflected attention away from a hockey team that hasn't put together a solid 60 minute performance all season. Bravo to Mact you have succeeded.

On another note if you combine the Oilers and Flames wins this season in 42 games they have a total of 11 wins which is tied with the Canucks and only 3 wins back of Colorado for 8th.

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#36 DSF
November 18 2013, 05:57PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I can just see the headlines after his first decisive win, " Taking care of Bryzness", .........just like the song suggests.

Oh lord...Gene doesn't need any prompting 😀

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#37 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:47PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

What is your basis for claiming the Devils, Habs and Pens are "weak EC teams?"

I'd be interested to hear it.

In case anyone is interested:

http://www.extraskater.com/teams/on-ice?type=total

Read a little more closely.

I mentioned Pittsburgh as a good team.

New Jersey is currently in 11th spot in the weak EC. They would be in 13th in the WC. (1-4-3 vs. WC)

Montreal would be in 12th spot in the WC. (5-6-1 vs. WC)

Results matter.

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#38 DSF
November 18 2013, 08:50PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Ha!

Smid rushing to the net is musical. Love that guy. hilarious. Wish he potted that wrap around.

Wish he had scored there.

Would have been a great story.

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#39 DSF
November 18 2013, 07:31PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Spector has become very anti-Oiler and pro Canucks over the last couple of years, remind you of someone?

He has a unique perspective to view the performance of a very well run organization vs. a very dysfunctional one.

No surprise you might see it that way.

His job is NOT to be a cheerleader.

Staufer already got that job.

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#40 DSF
November 18 2013, 10:28PM
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PandaBearJelly wrote:

Dear lord this is the most ridiculous argument I have seen in a while. Do you two even know what you are fighting about anymore? seriously... Argument for the sake of argument.

In the end you are both saying the same thing. In the here and now, the Oil are a very poor team. You can look at the advanced stats or the simple narrative and you find yourself with the same story.

No, we're not arguing the same thing.

Foghorn Leghorn is arguing the Oilers were "better" early this season based on their Corsi/Fenwick/ Fibonacci Sequence but, in fact, they were merely playing weak opposition.

As mentioned above, their shot differential against good WC teams is -41.

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#41 DSF
November 18 2013, 10:55PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

The Devils at 11th in the league in shots % are "crappy"?

Cool!

The Habs at 16th in the league, however, are "mediocre"?

interesting.

I'm not convinced those words mean what you think they mean.

At any rate, all these numbers do it restate what everyone but yourself acknowledges: They were playing better and then worse.

This marvel of information, of course, escapes you!

But, how can someone who can't sort out "mediocre" from "crappy" adequately be expected to do any better?

Sorry Sparky but teams that couldn't compete in hockey's best division are mediocre...at best.

Check standings...swallow hard.

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#42 DSF
November 18 2013, 11:07PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I'll take this as a non-sequitur for your benefit, (even under these loose conditions this makes no sense).

I'm not in the least surprised that you can't understand a "simple narrative".

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#43 Racki
November 18 2013, 04:13PM
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PaperDesigner wrote:

...I can't tell if that's a criticism of the Edmonton media, a joke about Majeau's hair, or both...

Lol! Well played.

Ad far as the bad media types... Ryan Rishaug has always been a fave, but man, please don't get Ilya pissed off at this city in week one... Yeesh. Lay off the Inquisition.

let Ilya be who he wants to be without badgering it out of him. Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed this.

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#44 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 18 2013, 04:25PM
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Naky wrote:

Sorry Wanye, gotta disagree with you on the media being hard on him and trying to make him slip up being a bad thing. He stood in front of a camera just a few years ago and crapped all over this city and its fanbase all the while laughing about it and talking down to the reporters. He had no problem speaking his mind then.

It's about karma. It always comes back to bite you in the ass. Right now, it's biting him in the ass. Hard. He never thought he'd ever be in this position, forced to sign with the one city he publicly trashed because nobody else would give him the time of day. He's eating humble pie and should swallow every little crumb of it.

So no. I welcome his discomfort. I want him under fire and mad. I want him itching to prove everyone wrong all the time because that means he's going to play harder - and perhaps more importantly, become a better person for it in the end.

He's learning a hard lesson. Let's find out if it sticks or if it's just lip service in the end.

he didnt crap all over the city. what he said wasnt wrong.

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#46 Serious Gord
November 18 2013, 05:12PM
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"...You can hear Ryan Rishaug trying to be a tough guy asking the hard questions of the newest Oiler throughout the clip. It would be grand if he would take a similar approach with MacT, Eakins or Lowe who actually have had an impact in the product on the ice not a guy who hasn't even suited up in a single game but there you go."

This ALL DAY LONG.

How about robin? How about going after MacT in the next presser, relentlessly, point by point?

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#47 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 07:43PM
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I don't hear enough of either one of them to make a judgement to be honest.

But based on comments here and elsewhere, Staufer has lost his critical eye now that he's on the team payroll.

No surprise there.

Stauffer has definitely lost a step in terms of massaging the realities.

But he's more than made up for it by having a much more complex understanding of the game that he's developed over the years.

Spector is a poor man's Skip Bayless. He relies entirely on simple narratives of what leads to success/failure.

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#48 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 18 2013, 08:23PM
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I have listened to him from time to time...nothing earth shattering or even very interesting.

And, no you didn't mention advanced stats...I did.

And they weren't playing better...they were playing crappy opponents.

Take a look at their record against playoff teams and WC teams.

It's been crappy from day one.

Of course, that's a simple narrative that is backed up by the "advanced" stats, the real stats and their record.

If the teams they were playing well against early in the season (Devils, Habs, Leafs, Caps, Pens) were all unflinchingly brutal possession teams (applies to us, Leafs, Caps), you'd have a point!

Besides, quality of competition, road games, etc. were all acknowledged at the time.

It is a very simple truth. They were playing better. Then they were playing much much worse.

This isn't some incomprehensible logic at work here. No one is proclaiming some truth that is hard to swallow.

you are merely arguing to be disagreeable.

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#49 DSF
November 18 2013, 10:53PM
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Pouzar99 wrote:

Yes, I mostly agree with what DSF says about the Bryz interview, but once you have asked it a few times and the player has gone as far as he is going to go, you have to let go unless you have a very different angle. You can hardly compare the Bryz situation with grilling a politician about a scandal.

While I do not wholly disagree with your comment about sports reporters, I think you underestimate just how tough their job is. It is a great deal easier to ask a politician a tough question than a football player or hockey player, who is accustomed to settling disagreements violently. I have total admiration for the courage of Cam Cole, Robin and many others who write critical things about these people and then show up in the locker room the next day and face them. I suspect I would be sweating like a pig. Give them credit. I have been face-to-face with unhappy cops but nothing quite compares to the confrontations I experienced in the one major sports story I did.

All beat reporters face the same worry; being cut out of the loop and getting beaten to stories by their less challenging rivals.

I think the one thing that makes sports reporting more difficult is the ability of sports teams to control access.

While most public figures have no or limited control over media access, sports teams can easily shut out troublesome reporters or, at least, make it very difficult for them to do their jobs.

In this day and age, if an athlete physically attacked a reporter his career would be over while, as we've seen with the EPS harassment of Edmonton journalists, the police and other public figures can find more insidious ways of striking out.

So much of a journalists mojo comes from how supportive his employer is if he treads on dangerous ground.

I'm intensely curious about the major sports story you covered.

Can you share anything?

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#50 merlen
November 18 2013, 04:35PM
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Did you expect anything less from Ryan Rishaug? He has the same disease as Daryl Katz, the " I'm in love with the boys on the bus syndrome". Ha Ha Ha!!!

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