MR. MACGREGOR'S PICKS

Lowetide
November 24 2013 07:39AM

Stu MacGregor's time as the scouting director for the Edmonton Oilers is now 6 summers deep, and we're getting a nice idea about where his team is getting value. Here's a look—by season—at the best draft picks by MBS outside the first round.

2008: TEEMU HARTIKAINEN

After hitting a home run in the first round (Jordan Eberle, 22nd overall) the Oilers didn't have a second or a third round selection. In the sixth round the club found big Teemu Hartikainen, who has played in 52 NHL games (and is currently having a nice season in the KHL). Oilers retain his rights, it is unknown when he'll return. Hartikainen certainly covered the draft bet placed on his with 2/3's of an NHL season.

2009: ANTON LANDER

Lander's basically the only player left from the 2009 entry draft (second round, 40th overall), and is having a solid year in Oklahoma City. Lander has played in 68 NHL games, but those came when he was unready and have given him the reputation of being a poor NHL option. His progress in the AHL has been impressive, and there's a good chance he will carve out an NHL career.

2010: MARTIN MARINCIN

Marincin was selected 46th overall (second round) in a cluster of picks (4 in 30 selections) during the 2010 entry draft. Although he hasn't yet played in the NHL, Marincin's progress at the pro level has been impressive and he is likely to make his NHL debut in 2014.

2011:DILLON SIMPSON

The day Simpson was drafted, the scouting reports talked about skating and strength issues. Since then, Simpson has worked very hard to improve in all areas and at this point it's anyone guess as to where he'll land on the pro depth chart when he finally signs in 2014. The Oilers are suddenly deep on the back line, but Simpson's range of skills make him a player of some note.

Tobias Rieder and Martin Gernat are also developing well from this draft.

2012: JUJHAR KHAIRA

The 2012 draft has some nice things tracking, but it's early. Jujhar Khaira has followed up his strong NCAA season at Michigan Tech a year ago with solid two-way work in the WHL. Khaira is not a feature offensive player for Everett, and he has been injured, but there's no doubt his size, speed and skill have him heading in a good direction.

Mitchell Moroz and John McCarron are also players of interest from this draft.

It's too soon to tell for 2013, with Marco Roy, Bogdan Yakimov and Greg Chase all in the running. But, it's early.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Patience is required when it comes to prospect development, and defenseman take time. The Oilers talent pipeline should be sending some impressive talent to the NHL starting later this season, and the Oilers may be able to turn a few trades their way with the addition of one or more of these young prospects.

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#51 Smokey
November 24 2013, 09:27AM
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Where do you think Rajala, Pelss, Reider would rank. Still trying to comprehend sending away Rajala and Reider.

If you were slotting in Simpson into the defensive prospects where we would he rank. People on here were concerned we'd get Schultz'd or Knight'd. Not sure what type of calliber of prospect he really is. Is he a Petry or Chorney?

Also wasn't Petry from the Prentergast era. KP maybe did not have a large volume of players come from the later picks, however some of those players were quality like Stoll.

I'm hoping Moroz, Pitlick, JarJar, Lander, Chase are those heart and soul gritty role player we covet. I think the failure of Tambo and not so Magnificient BSM has been guys like Hamilton, Martindale who we thought were steals have not panned out. Obviously the package of size and skill looked like it would translate into he pro game but both have been plagued by injury, inconsistancy, and little compete.

The impact prospects I think we will see in the next year are Doc, Bomb, Marincin, Lander, Pitlick, Fedun. Its nice to see players ready to contribute. Our casino mob boss down in OKC done a good job. Guy deserves a role in Edmonton next year. I think Reider and Rajala would be on the list too.

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#52 Really
November 24 2013, 10:04AM
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Todd wrote:

His point was that if your late round picks don't pan out you become NYI, Flordia, Carolina etc.

You just made the point! Good teams (Chicago, Pitt, Boston) have key contributors drafted from later rounds.

Personally I think MacG has been highly overated. I see a whole lot of flops and outside of Eberle no homeruns.

I get being patient as Lowetide pointed out...

BUT - 2009 looks like a complete bust IMO. Pajarvi @ 10?? Lucky MacT flipped him into Perron. Then all we got was Lander, a guy you HOPE might play on the 4th line. Maybe.... That doesn't sound like championship drafting to me.

Although I suspect macG is slightly overrated, I wonder more about this teams ability to develop these picks. IMO the way these guys are developed is much more of an issue then who the are drafting.

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#53 Really
November 24 2013, 10:17AM
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YFC Prez wrote:

Oh don't get me wrong. The oilers were brutal in both drafting and development. I just think that 2010 is the year that all changed. Only time will tell though.

Im not making excuses for the oilers bad draft selections. Im just pointing out that 2009 was a bust for many teams.

I can respect that but until some other the none first rounders, start playing regularly, neither the drafting or development deserve and props. At this point in time they have been failures, other wise we would see a player or 2, with a name like Pitlick or Lander, playing more then 10 minutes a night Regularly in the NHL.

That is what drafting and development success is. Not being bad enough to constantly get high first round picks.

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#54 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 10:21AM
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I think the love for Macgreggor comes from the last years of KP. 2007 3 first round selections ...Gagner, Plante, Riley Nash. THAT is totally incompetent drafting, and much worse than Stu has ever done.

Everyone talks about how easy it is to draft in the first round, well 2007 shows that it can be effed up in a big way very easily. KP's drafting in that year highly contributed to the need for the rebuild.

I don't know if Stu is as good as I think he is, but he is worlds better than we have had here.

EDIT: KP messed up many first round selections....oilers had abysmal drafting for a long time, remember Pouliot, Ninnimaki (worst first round selection ever)

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#55 non descript
November 24 2013, 10:48AM
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defend the oilers drafting all you want. the bottom line is it has been bad. the musil pick defies logic. i am no scout and i could see he doesnt skate well enough to play. saad, boone jenner and john gibson were right there. ridiculous.

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#56 camdog
November 24 2013, 11:20AM
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Todd wrote:

WARNING: Get ready for this thread to be ruined by DSF's arbitrary, completely random, asshat,revisionist and completely selective draft talk.

Draft talk is the DSF sweet spot for trolling. He can go back over years of data and spot all the players we missed. Completely ignoring the fact that 30 other teams also missed them. Even the team that drafted a star in the 6th round would have drafted them higher in highsight.

I hate revisionist draft comparisons. Its a fools errand. But this is DSFs bread and butter.

** This thread is over. All logic is gone, you should all just LOG OFF NOW!!! Or risk being very annoyed by a series of stupid, ridiculous, cherry picking stat dumb comments.

LEAVE NOW, GO WATCH NFL. I promise your day will better than reading a DSF hijack.

No NHL team can be successful when Jeff Petry is your only post 1st rounder on your team. No offence to Petry but they need more. You can hate the reasons why the Oilers have been a bad team aka bottom feeder for the past 8 years all you want, but that doesn't change the reality of this situation. Over the past 10 years the good teams have found players in the second round and later, the bad teams are the ones that haven't.

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#57 Todd
November 24 2013, 11:26AM
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camdog wrote:

No NHL team can be successful when Jeff Petry is your only post 1st rounder on your team. No offence to Petry but they need more. You can hate the reasons why the Oilers have been a bad team aka bottom feeder for the past 8 years all you want, but that doesn't change the reality of this situation. Over the past 10 years the good teams have found players in the second round and later, the bad teams are the ones that haven't.

I agree 100% with you. If you read my comments above. I think the Stu is not good. We need some home runs from later rounds. The bar for draft success has been lowered to "not that bad".

But that doesn't discount the fact that DSF is about to ruin this thread with ridiculous cherry picked stats.

Book it.

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#58 Thumby
November 24 2013, 12:11PM
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Rob... wrote:

Weren't the nation reigns handed over to Kent Wilson? Place the blame squarely where it belongs... on the Flames fan.

hmmmm, the flamer is probably doing this to us on purpose...stop the agony Kent!

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#59 michael
November 24 2013, 03:00PM
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Could we at least make the previous a little darker so we could find it. This back ground bites. Could they have put some real snow that we see on the streets on the back ground. That oatmeal like crud we all hate that we all need an suv to get through.

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#60 Saytalk
November 24 2013, 08:04PM
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I just assumed Simpson and Musil were picked by the old boys on the bus club and not by any diligent work of the amateur scouting staff (if they do any such work). It's just as well; given MacGregor's poor record of picks outside of the first round, the franchise is getting a poor return either way.

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#61 Oiler Al
November 24 2013, 09:33AM
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michael wrote:

I think Petry needs to be more aggressive in terms of offense. Fedun and Larsen have shown more ability then Petry has imo. Petry has shown at times how much more growth he needs. Needs to be more physical. For me Petry fills a 3-4 role until he develops more of the offensive game we all know he has in his skill set.Till then....

What you are saying you would play Larsen and Fedun ahead of Petry.

I agree ¨Petry for his size could use a little more jam., but that's never been his style.

Larsen, his skating and puck movement style reminds me of Duncan Keith, his play in his own end reminds of Justin Schultz.. not good.

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#62 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 10:07AM
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Really wrote:

I see at least 5 NHL regulars from the second round. That's not bad. Sounds more like you are making excuses for oilers poor drafting and development.

Oh don't get me wrong. The oilers were brutal in both drafting and development. I just think that 2010 is the year that all changed. Only time will tell though.

Im not making excuses for the oilers bad draft selections. Im just pointing out that 2009 was a bust for many teams.

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#63 Loweblows
November 24 2013, 10:37AM
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I see the 4th line is unchanged for tomorrow's game against Chicago- I guess our rookie coach prefers the 4th line being a non-factor- makes me puke actually seeing acton in and Arco out- nepotism found only in oilerville!

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#64 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 01:36PM
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Richter wrote:

PRV was the right pick at the time. End of story. He was a top ranked European skater - only Hedman was ranked above him by Central Scouting. It was a surprise he fell that far. Maybe too bad he did in hindsight. But you can't blame the Oilers for picking him at tenth.

Good point.

Remember when the three rookies came into the oilers system. Hall and ebbs have excelled thus far and PRV ( who was said to be the most nhl ready and had a half decent rookie campaign ) has almost fallen into the abyss.

I'm not sure what the oilers did wrong with the player or if it was just bad luck. I agree though. If the oil had passed on prv I would have been pissed at the time.

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#65 pkam
November 24 2013, 04:05PM
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How about Toni Rajala of 2009? He has been amazing before we released his contract.

How about Brandon Davidson and Kristians Pelss of 2010?

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#66 Woogie63
November 24 2013, 06:53PM
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Another way to look at it....

2014/15 add

Arco to 2c (Gagner 2RW) Harti to 3LW Lander to 4C Pitlick to 4 RW Klefblom to D5 Marincin to D7

That would make 13 draft picks on the big club... Not bad

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#67 OilDieHard
November 25 2013, 07:46AM
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Saytalk wrote:

I just assumed Simpson and Musil were picked by the old boys on the bus club and not by any diligent work of the amateur scouting staff (if they do any such work). It's just as well; given MacGregor's poor record of picks outside of the first round, the franchise is getting a poor return either way.

but Musil and Simpson were actually scouted.....really!! and don't forget, similar to when we took Pitlick at #31, Musil seemed at the time to be the BPA at #31, so we took him. how were the old boys club to know he couldn't skate??

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#68 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 09:50AM
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@Todd

IMO 2009 was a complete bust of a draft year for the league entirely. Outside of the top 7 real impact players are few and far between. I know there are good players to come out of this draft year but I am curious the the number of players to make the NHL in 2009 years draft compared to other years.

Could just be my perception, but 2009 just seemed weaker for talent in comparison.

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#69 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 10:35AM
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@DSF

A couple base hits...but no real home runs. I don't know there just doesn't seem to be the Jam in the later rounds compared to other years. But with this draft same as others time will tell.

Like I said It's just my perspective and I could very well be wrong. Where's the Subban's Simmonds or Keiths?

I am high on Clifford and Shore though

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#70 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 11:06AM
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@Todd

What in the world is an asshat? Is he riding a donkey ? Is his head under someone's rear? Is he wearing a gigantic hat shaped like a butt or donkey?

Someone explain so I can be hip!

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#71 #ThereGoesTheOilers
November 24 2013, 11:10AM
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Sometimes so-so happens for a reason. At least that what I keep telling myself dammit! I've always liked Paajarvi and would love to see him get his shot at winning the cup.

That being said, there is little not to love about Perron. It was destiny.

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#72 PutzStew
November 24 2013, 02:27PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

Gagner is one if the most miss used assets the oilers have had in recent years. He has turned into a half decent player in spite of the oilers IMO.

Even though I'm not a fan of his, I think hemsky fits into this mold as well.

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#73 Stack Pad Save
November 24 2013, 10:18AM
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@Lowetide

I appreciate the update on the prospects though. It gives us something called hope in the midst of another poor season. It is nice to see we have some prospects tracking nicely and we are on a 3 game winning streak!

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