MR. MACGREGOR'S PICKS

Lowetide
November 24 2013 07:39AM

Stu MacGregor's time as the scouting director for the Edmonton Oilers is now 6 summers deep, and we're getting a nice idea about where his team is getting value. Here's a look—by season—at the best draft picks by MBS outside the first round.

2008: TEEMU HARTIKAINEN

After hitting a home run in the first round (Jordan Eberle, 22nd overall) the Oilers didn't have a second or a third round selection. In the sixth round the club found big Teemu Hartikainen, who has played in 52 NHL games (and is currently having a nice season in the KHL). Oilers retain his rights, it is unknown when he'll return. Hartikainen certainly covered the draft bet placed on his with 2/3's of an NHL season.

2009: ANTON LANDER

Lander's basically the only player left from the 2009 entry draft (second round, 40th overall), and is having a solid year in Oklahoma City. Lander has played in 68 NHL games, but those came when he was unready and have given him the reputation of being a poor NHL option. His progress in the AHL has been impressive, and there's a good chance he will carve out an NHL career.

2010: MARTIN MARINCIN

Marincin was selected 46th overall (second round) in a cluster of picks (4 in 30 selections) during the 2010 entry draft. Although he hasn't yet played in the NHL, Marincin's progress at the pro level has been impressive and he is likely to make his NHL debut in 2014.

2011:DILLON SIMPSON

The day Simpson was drafted, the scouting reports talked about skating and strength issues. Since then, Simpson has worked very hard to improve in all areas and at this point it's anyone guess as to where he'll land on the pro depth chart when he finally signs in 2014. The Oilers are suddenly deep on the back line, but Simpson's range of skills make him a player of some note.

Tobias Rieder and Martin Gernat are also developing well from this draft.

2012: JUJHAR KHAIRA

The 2012 draft has some nice things tracking, but it's early. Jujhar Khaira has followed up his strong NCAA season at Michigan Tech a year ago with solid two-way work in the WHL. Khaira is not a feature offensive player for Everett, and he has been injured, but there's no doubt his size, speed and skill have him heading in a good direction.

Mitchell Moroz and John McCarron are also players of interest from this draft.

It's too soon to tell for 2013, with Marco Roy, Bogdan Yakimov and Greg Chase all in the running. But, it's early.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Patience is required when it comes to prospect development, and defenseman take time. The Oilers talent pipeline should be sending some impressive talent to the NHL starting later this season, and the Oilers may be able to turn a few trades their way with the addition of one or more of these young prospects.

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#1 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
November 24 2013, 08:02AM
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This guy truly is

a Magnificent Bastard.

Pick another Gem.

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#2 michael
November 24 2013, 08:43AM
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Lowetide wrote:

So, Jeff Petry would qualify? Second round pick?

I think Petry needs to be more aggressive in terms of offense. Fedun and Larsen have shown more ability then Petry has imo. Petry has shown at times how much more growth he needs. Needs to be more physical. For me Petry fills a 3-4 role until he develops more of the offensive game we all know he has in his skill set.Till then....

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#3 Really
November 24 2013, 09:45AM
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Sorry. Anyone else notice this team is still last in the west??? And yet this is another blog looking (and in my opinion, stretching the facts) at a slight bright spot of this team.

The reality is the team drafts ok. The development has been horrible. Was Petry really the last last guy edmonton drafted and developed out side of the first rounders?

Stacked Pad's you are right with your analysis. Those teams you listed are what a winning teams drafting and development looks like. What lowetide showed here would be what a loosing teams drafting and development looks like, so why this loosing team is deserving of anything that resembles a congratulations on a job well done???

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#4 THRNHJE
November 24 2013, 11:32AM
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DSF is often negative and always biased, but he often has a lot of very valid points. Sometimes us fanboys have the fanboy goggles on and cant see that because his negativity towards our struggling team is often hyperbolic.

It is hilarious to me to see the props versus trash ratios now we are on a 3 game win streak compared to when we were on a 5 game lose streak. DSF sounded like just another of the guys who hated being an Oilers fan. At least he is consistent.

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#5 DSF
November 24 2013, 12:32PM
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THRNHJE wrote:

DSF is often negative and always biased, but he often has a lot of very valid points. Sometimes us fanboys have the fanboy goggles on and cant see that because his negativity towards our struggling team is often hyperbolic.

It is hilarious to me to see the props versus trash ratios now we are on a 3 game win streak compared to when we were on a 5 game lose streak. DSF sounded like just another of the guys who hated being an Oilers fan. At least he is consistent.

I think the real hyperbole here is calling Stu "Magnificent" when there is no evidence to support any claim that he is even above average.

We need to remember that he has been a part of the Oilers scouting staff for 13 years and the Head of Amateur Scouting since 2009.

I also think it's important to remember that any team's amateur scouting department is heavily influenced by the team's GM and sometimes (see Nail Yakupov for reference) by the team ownership.

So, I believe any analysis of success or failure at the draft really needs to lie at the feet of the GM since any recommendations for draft picks must pass across that desk and, of course, he is ultimately responsible for the scouting staff.

So, if we look at the players selected during Kevin Lowe's tenure as GM we get a different picture.

Here are the Oiler selections during the Lowe regime, starting in 2000, that are currently playing in the NHL or who played 150 games.

2000 - Brad Winchester, Matt Lombardi

2001 - Ales Hemsky

2002 - Jarret Stoll, Matt Greene

2003 - Marc Pouliot, JF Jacques, Zach Stortini, Kyle Brodziak

2004 - Devan Dubnyk

2005 - Andrew Cogliano

2006 - Jeff Petry, Theo Peckham

2007 - Sam Gagner

2008 - Jordan Eberle

2009 - Magnus Paajarvi

2010 - Taylor Hall

2011 - RNH

2012 - Nail Yakupov

Now, lets have a look at players drafted by team's managed by Dean Lombardi over the same period:

WITH SJS

2000 - zero

2001 - Marcel Goc, Christian Ehrhoff, Ryan Clowe

2002 - Zero

2003 - Milan Michaelek, Steve Bernier, Matt Carle, Joe Pavelski

2004 - Tomas Griess, Torrey Mitchell

2005 - Devin Setoguchi, Marc Eduard Vlasic

NOW LAK

2006 - Jonathan Bernier, Trevor Lewis

2007 - Thomas Hickey, Wayne Simmonds, Alec Martinez, Dwight King

2008- Drew Doughty, Slava Voynov, Andrei Lokitonov

2009 - Brayden Schenn, Kyle Clifford, Jordan Nolan

2010 - Tyler Toffoli

2011 - First pick in the draft was #49

2012 - Tanner Pearson has made his NHL debut but does not qualify yet.

2013 - First pick in the draft was #37 Valentin Zykov (24GP 30P QMJHL)

Now, if you look at the number of players drafted and still playing in the NHL you'll quickly see that Lombardi regime has drafted 24 players currently in the NHL while Lowe's regime has drafted only 13 despite the Oilers generally finishing much lower in the standings and having higher draft picks.

Just one more note, I think the abysmal failure of the 2003 draft when Lowe came up with almost nothing to Lombardi's 4 NHL players in a strong draft and the sketchy 2009 draft when Lombardi came away with 3 NHL players might explain a big part of the disparity between the teams.

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#6 Stack Pad Save
November 24 2013, 07:53AM
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Still waiting for a homerun from a late round draft pick. I think that is necessary for this team to turn the corner and for the Scouts to be deemed truly successful.

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#7 DSF
November 24 2013, 10:26AM
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YFC Prez wrote:

IMO 2009 was a complete bust of a draft year for the league entirely. Outside of the top 7 real impact players are few and far between. I know there are good players to come out of this draft year but I am curious the the number of players to make the NHL in 2009 years draft compared to other years.

Could just be my perception, but 2009 just seemed weaker for talent in comparison.

I'm not sure 2009 was as weak as you might think.

There's a bunch of players from later rounds already in the league and more just making their debut.

Ryan O'Reilly - 2nd

Kyle Clifford - 2nd

Alex Chissaon - 2nd

Jakob Silvferberg -2nd

Drew Shore - 2nd

Robin Lehner - 2nd

Richard Panik - 2nd

Brandon Pirri - 2nd

Tomas Tatar - 2nd

And, a smattering of 3rd, 4th, 5th and even 6th round picks who look like they'll make it.

Reilly Smith

Alex Urbom

Cody Eakin

Casey Cizikas

David Savard

Craig Smith

Marcus Foligno

Linden Vey

Marcus Kruger

Jordan Nolan 7th round.

So far, according to Hockey DB, 40 percent of that draft has played in the NHL.

That the Oilers essentially got one NHL player of marginal value (Paajarvi was a healthy scratch again last night) and a "maybe" 4th line player out of that draft is certainly a concern when you consider how high they were drafting.

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#9 Todd
November 24 2013, 09:35AM
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Slats wrote:

I believe your sample includes the premiere picks that have panned out - maybe peruse to NYI, Florida, Carolina etc

Bottom line is MacG has done well - solid base and future is good. Just don't squander this work in poor trades going forward.

His point was that if your late round picks don't pan out you become NYI, Flordia, Carolina etc.

You just made the point! Good teams (Chicago, Pitt, Boston) have key contributors drafted from later rounds.

Personally I think MacG has been highly overated. I see a whole lot of flops and outside of Eberle no homeruns.

I get being patient as Lowetide pointed out...

BUT - 2009 looks like a complete bust IMO. Pajarvi @ 10?? Lucky MacT flipped him into Perron. Then all we got was Lander, a guy you HOPE might play on the 4th line. Maybe.... That doesn't sound like championship drafting to me.

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#10 DSF
November 24 2013, 01:26PM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

I don't think this is just about Stu MacGregor though. Do you know how the Sharks develop their players? Because Edmonton seems to fail at that more than they do at the draft table. Bunz was WHL goaltender of the year and many of their prospects in the last 4-5 years have had strong junior careers and have sputtered when they turn pro and the Oilers become more involved in their development. Detroit, San Jose, and LA have done a great job for a long time drafting and developing. I'm curious as to the methods they employ that are different than Edmonton's.

Well, we do know the Oilers have a history of rushing their players to the NHL before they are ready.

I think that's the major difference and you can see it in players like Couture who spent a year in the AHL while Sam Gagner was thrown right into the deep end.

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#11 Todd
November 24 2013, 10:01AM
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YFC Prez wrote:

IMO 2009 was a complete bust of a draft year for the league entirely. Outside of the top 7 real impact players are few and far between. I know there are good players to come out of this draft year but I am curious the the number of players to make the NHL in 2009 years draft compared to other years.

Could just be my perception, but 2009 just seemed weaker for talent in comparison.

Fair enough... But its just another excuse.

I'm tired of excuses.

Everyone has this false perception of MacG. That he has done some great stuff. He drafted Eberele. Good for him. He draft a bunch of 1st overalls.

Then he drafted Kevin Lowe's buddies sons (Simpson, Musil). Brandon Saad or your buddy Musil's kid... Who would you take?

I'm tired of people apologizing for this team and its incompetence in every single way.

** Quit comparing our drafting to Florida/Carolina and saying its "not bad because we got Lander - who might possibly, if the stars align properly turn into a 5 minute per night 4th line plug".

When will we start to expect Chicago style drafting. Get some solid top 4 or dare I even say top 2 D men from the late rounds.... GASP! I know, its crazy to expect. But its what cup winners do.

Enough praising MacG for not doing OK. When is OK or "Not that bad" become a good thing around here...

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#12 DSF
November 24 2013, 10:38AM
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YFC Prez wrote:

A couple base hits...but no real home runs. I don't know there just doesn't seem to be the Jam in the later rounds compared to other years. But with this draft same as others time will tell.

Like I said It's just my perspective and I could very well be wrong. Where's the Subban's Simmonds or Keiths?

I am high on Clifford and Shore though

Ryan O'Reilly, Jakob Silvferberg, Robin Lehner and Tomas Tatar are tracking very, very well.

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#13 Todd
November 24 2013, 10:55AM
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WARNING: Get ready for this thread to be ruined by DSF's arbitrary, completely random, asshat,revisionist and completely selective draft talk.

Draft talk is the DSF sweet spot for trolling. He can go back over years of data and spot all the players we missed. Completely ignoring the fact that 30 other teams also missed them. Even the team that drafted a star in the 6th round would have drafted them higher in highsight.

I hate revisionist draft comparisons. Its a fools errand. But this is DSFs bread and butter.

** This thread is over. All logic is gone, you should all just LOG OFF NOW!!! Or risk being very annoyed by a series of stupid, ridiculous, cherry picking stat dumb comments.

LEAVE NOW, GO WATCH NFL. I promise your day will better than reading a DSF hijack.

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#14 PutzStew
November 24 2013, 04:07PM
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THRNHJE wrote:

The hyperbolic negativity was in general, in this specific case I am with you, our drafting capabilities have been deplorable.

Dear DSF

Although I enjoy you posts and usually agree with you, I am not above realizing that I hold some faults, one of which is my poor English skills.

Your on an Oilers Blog. Please speak stupider so I don't have to google words like hyperbolic.

Thank you

PS I 100% agree with you in your argument. There should be not satisfaction from anyone with in this organization on the job they have done. If they had done it there job with even slight success, this team have been, nor would they still be the worst team in the league.

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#15 Loweblows
November 24 2013, 10:37AM
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I see the 4th line is unchanged for tomorrow's game against Chicago- I guess our rookie coach prefers the 4th line being a non-factor- makes me puke actually seeing acton in and Arco out- nepotism found only in oilerville!

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#16 Rob...
November 24 2013, 11:54AM
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THRNHJE wrote:

DSF is often negative and always biased, but he often has a lot of very valid points. Sometimes us fanboys have the fanboy goggles on and cant see that because his negativity towards our struggling team is often hyperbolic.

It is hilarious to me to see the props versus trash ratios now we are on a 3 game win streak compared to when we were on a 5 game lose streak. DSF sounded like just another of the guys who hated being an Oilers fan. At least he is consistent.

I think you're ignoring the points that have been made. DSF trolls by pointing out late draft gems and how the Oilers failed to pick them up, all while also ignoring all of the other teams that chose duds before these gems were seized by someone other than the Oilers.

DSF has shown enough intelligence over the years to make it clear that he is doing this on purpose. He knows how ridiculous his statements are, but makes them anyway to feed off of the response, just like the lowest of the trolls on youtube spouting the 'N-word' for the reaction.

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#17 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 01:38PM
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DSF wrote:

Well, we do know the Oilers have a history of rushing their players to the NHL before they are ready.

I think that's the major difference and you can see it in players like Couture who spent a year in the AHL while Sam Gagner was thrown right into the deep end.

Gagner is one if the most miss used assets the oilers have had in recent years. He has turned into a half decent player in spite of the oilers IMO.

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#18 719
November 24 2013, 08:25AM
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John McCarron could be a very good pick.

I am surprised from 2010 that Pitlick is not given an honourable mention. Seems like someone who is progressing well, and looked decent in his callup before injury.

I believe they say that if you find 2 players from a draft class that it is a very good draft. So far it seems like Mr. MacGregor is on track to cover that bet, but time will tell.

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#19 Stack Pad Save
November 24 2013, 08:51AM
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Jeff Petry is the only late round player drafted by the Oilers who made their team. This means we got some possible problems:

1. scouting 2. player development 3. professional scouting

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#21 Slats
November 24 2013, 08:59AM
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Stack Pad Save wrote:

Boston

Milan Lucic Rnd 2 David Krecji Rnd 2 Patrice Bergeron Rnd 2 Brad Marchand Rnd 3

Pittsburgh

Kris Letang Rnd 3 Rob Scuderi Rnd 5 Dustin Jeffery Rnd 6 Robert Burtuzzo Rnd 3

Chicago

Duncan Keith Rnd 2 Brandon Saad Rnd 2 Andrew Shaw Rnd 5 Brandon Pirri Rnd 2 Marcus Kruger Rnd 5 Niklas Hjarlmarsson Rnd 4 Ben Smith Rnd 6 Brian Bickell Rnd 2

Anaheim

Devante smith-Pelly Rnd 2 Sami Vatanen Rnd 4

What shocked me was how many players on these first overall teams in the standings came from outside the first round. Does this speak to getting players outside the first round as these are the guys who are making to the NHL on a combination of hard work and skill instead of skill and entitlement.

I believe your sample includes the premiere picks that have panned out - maybe peruse to NYI, Florida, Carolina etc

Bottom line is MacG has done well - solid base and future is good. Just don't squander this work in poor trades going forward.

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#22 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 09:50AM
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@Todd

IMO 2009 was a complete bust of a draft year for the league entirely. Outside of the top 7 real impact players are few and far between. I know there are good players to come out of this draft year but I am curious the the number of players to make the NHL in 2009 years draft compared to other years.

Could just be my perception, but 2009 just seemed weaker for talent in comparison.

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#23 Really
November 24 2013, 10:00AM
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YFC Prez wrote:

IMO 2009 was a complete bust of a draft year for the league entirely. Outside of the top 7 real impact players are few and far between. I know there are good players to come out of this draft year but I am curious the the number of players to make the NHL in 2009 years draft compared to other years.

Could just be my perception, but 2009 just seemed weaker for talent in comparison.

I see at least 5 NHL regulars from the second round. That's not bad. Sounds more like you are making excuses for oilers poor drafting and development.

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#24 Richter
November 24 2013, 10:06AM
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Rieder was a real PLAYER and the Oilers practically just gave him away. I don't care if he was another small, skilled forward. That trade may very well come back to bite us.

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#25 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 10:21AM
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I think the love for Macgreggor comes from the last years of KP. 2007 3 first round selections ...Gagner, Plante, Riley Nash. THAT is totally incompetent drafting, and much worse than Stu has ever done.

Everyone talks about how easy it is to draft in the first round, well 2007 shows that it can be effed up in a big way very easily. KP's drafting in that year highly contributed to the need for the rebuild.

I don't know if Stu is as good as I think he is, but he is worlds better than we have had here.

EDIT: KP messed up many first round selections....oilers had abysmal drafting for a long time, remember Pouliot, Ninnimaki (worst first round selection ever)

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#26 Loweblows
November 24 2013, 10:37AM
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I see the 4th line is unchanged for tomorrow's game against Chicago- I guess our rookie coach prefers the 4th line being a non-factor- makes me puke actually seeing acton in and Arco out- nepotism found only in oilerville!

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#27 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 11:06AM
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@Todd

What in the world is an asshat? Is he riding a donkey ? Is his head under someone's rear? Is he wearing a gigantic hat shaped like a butt or donkey?

Someone explain so I can be hip!

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#28 Richter
November 24 2013, 11:41AM
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PRV was the right pick at the time. End of story. He was a top ranked European skater - only Hedman was ranked above him by Central Scouting. It was a surprise he fell that far. Maybe too bad he did in hindsight. But you can't blame the Oilers for picking him at tenth.

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#29 PutzStew
November 24 2013, 02:27PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

Gagner is one if the most miss used assets the oilers have had in recent years. He has turned into a half decent player in spite of the oilers IMO.

Even though I'm not a fan of his, I think hemsky fits into this mold as well.

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#30 He Who Knows
November 24 2013, 03:30PM
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Stu is not as magnificent as people say. A lot of his later picks (other than the 1st overall no brainers) have yet to or ever pan out. Also hit the gym Stu.

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#31 pkam
November 24 2013, 04:05PM
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How about Toni Rajala of 2009? He has been amazing before we released his contract.

How about Brandon Davidson and Kristians Pelss of 2010?

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#32 michael
November 24 2013, 08:39AM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Greg Chase, hopefully.

This guy plays like a pitbull. Fiercely competitive. 6th round pick? Would have taken him in the 4th round. Upside is huge as the Oilers are looking for his type of skill set as a third line player. A player to watch imo.

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#33 Stack Pad Save
November 24 2013, 08:46AM
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Boston

Milan Lucic Rnd 2 David Krecji Rnd 2 Patrice Bergeron Rnd 2 Brad Marchand Rnd 3

Pittsburgh

Kris Letang Rnd 3 Rob Scuderi Rnd 5 Dustin Jeffery Rnd 6 Robert Burtuzzo Rnd 3

Chicago

Duncan Keith Rnd 2 Brandon Saad Rnd 2 Andrew Shaw Rnd 5 Brandon Pirri Rnd 2 Marcus Kruger Rnd 5 Niklas Hjarlmarsson Rnd 4 Ben Smith Rnd 6 Brian Bickell Rnd 2

Anaheim

Devante smith-Pelly Rnd 2 Sami Vatanen Rnd 4

What shocked me was how many players on these first overall teams in the standings came from outside the first round. Does this speak to getting players outside the first round as these are the guys who are making to the NHL on a combination of hard work and skill instead of skill and entitlement.

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#34 Stack Pad Save
November 24 2013, 08:47AM
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I agree about Petry, but was Petry drafted by Stu?

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#35 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 24 2013, 08:53AM
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@Stack Pad Save

I'd say all three of those are problematic for the Oilers.

EDIT: Well, with the addition of Perron and Gordon, the pro scouting seems to be getting better. Being a pro scout is the dream job...

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#36 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 09:27AM
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Drafting is incredibly hard to critic as it takes so long to know the real results.

In 2011 Stu looked like a genius, almost everyone of his picks from the 2010 draft were trending up at a alarming rate. Only to U-turn and crash like a stock market price chart in 2012.

Now 3 and a half years later aside from Hall who will have a great career it looks like Marincin and even Pitlick are very close to being locks for playing at least one season in the NHL. Also Bunz is playing very good again after looking like a complete wash last year.

Drafting and Development are getting much better with this club, Finally! I 'm thinking that when all is said and done Stu will have one ace and 2 Jacks from the 2010 draft year, very respectable...on par with the best.

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#38 Stack Pad Save
November 24 2013, 10:06AM
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@Slats

I picked the premier teams as I want the Oilers to be like the premier teams.

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#39 Really
November 24 2013, 10:17AM
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YFC Prez wrote:

Oh don't get me wrong. The oilers were brutal in both drafting and development. I just think that 2010 is the year that all changed. Only time will tell though.

Im not making excuses for the oilers bad draft selections. Im just pointing out that 2009 was a bust for many teams.

I can respect that but until some other the none first rounders, start playing regularly, neither the drafting or development deserve and props. At this point in time they have been failures, other wise we would see a player or 2, with a name like Pitlick or Lander, playing more then 10 minutes a night Regularly in the NHL.

That is what drafting and development success is. Not being bad enough to constantly get high first round picks.

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#40 Kevin
November 24 2013, 10:18AM
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Based on recent history I would say generally F for fail when it comes to drafting beyond the 1st round. Maggie the Monkey could have drafted for the Oilers in the 1st round for the last say decade. Its what has come out of later rounds is the real question. Not much to speak of to be honest. How the hell does Jamie Benn get over looked 4 rounds in his draft year. What about San Jose sharks- they have 8 players in their current line up drafted outside the first round. Sorry folks but you can twist it however you like to accept the current scouting staff but its just not good enough when considering Oiler draft position over the last decade. Where are the role players like Avs Jamie Mcginn and actually a sharks 2nd round pick. If Oil brass was so smart, go out and pluck some of the Sharks scouting talent. Their salaries are not included in the cap. Absolutely no excuse for being toilet bowl contenders year after year.

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#41 Butters
November 24 2013, 10:40AM
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I find Oiler drafting to be somewhat underwhelming. And if they ever get any good, they are going to need the later round homeruns to stay competitive. Moreover, any first round gaffes from here on in are going to hurt bad.

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#42 non descript
November 24 2013, 10:48AM
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defend the oilers drafting all you want. the bottom line is it has been bad. the musil pick defies logic. i am no scout and i could see he doesnt skate well enough to play. saad, boone jenner and john gibson were right there. ridiculous.

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#44 Todd
November 24 2013, 11:29AM
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YFC Prez wrote:

What in the world is an asshat? Is he riding a donkey ? Is his head under someone's rear? Is he wearing a gigantic hat shaped like a butt or donkey?

Someone explain so I can be hip!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asshat

"One who has their head up their ass. Thus wearing their ass as a hat. Asshat"

"A person, of either gender, whose behavior displays such ignorance/obnoxiousness that you would like to make them wear their own ass as a hat. "

"One whose head is so far up their rear end it could pass for a hat; used to describe a person who is stubborn, cruel, or otherwise unpleasant to be around."

Basically its DSF.

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#45 Ryan2
November 24 2013, 11:38AM
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While I agree that Prendergast did a below average job of drafting, you can't pin it solely on bad picks. Lack of a development system played a huge part in the weakness of the Oilers' system during those years as well. Sharing farm teams, farming players out to other organizations to save $$$, etc. are a big part of the reason the cupboards were so bare. It takes a few years for a player development system to start to churn out solid NHL contributors and the Oilers are a year or two away yet from seeing that happen IMHO.

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#46 Rama Lama
November 24 2013, 11:57AM
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A good AHL team with a focus on development should increase our chances of some of these players actually carving out a career.

Our focus on drafting should incorporate skill/physical play........instead of skill/speed. Our system is flush with small fast skilled players and it's good to see the focus change this last couple of years with Chase, Moroz, and Kharia added to the mix.

A couple of additional years of drafting bigger players should spell an end to our lust for Hobbits.

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#47 andrewmk20
November 24 2013, 12:51PM
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@DSF

I don't think this is just about Stu MacGregor though. Do you know how the Sharks develop their players? Because Edmonton seems to fail at that more than they do at the draft table. Bunz was WHL goaltender of the year and many of their prospects in the last 4-5 years have had strong junior careers and have sputtered when they turn pro and the Oilers become more involved in their development. Detroit, San Jose, and LA have done a great job for a long time drafting and developing. I'm curious as to the methods they employ that are different than Edmonton's.

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#48 YFC Prez
November 24 2013, 01:36PM
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Richter wrote:

PRV was the right pick at the time. End of story. He was a top ranked European skater - only Hedman was ranked above him by Central Scouting. It was a surprise he fell that far. Maybe too bad he did in hindsight. But you can't blame the Oilers for picking him at tenth.

Good point.

Remember when the three rookies came into the oilers system. Hall and ebbs have excelled thus far and PRV ( who was said to be the most nhl ready and had a half decent rookie campaign ) has almost fallen into the abyss.

I'm not sure what the oilers did wrong with the player or if it was just bad luck. I agree though. If the oil had passed on prv I would have been pissed at the time.

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#49 THRNHJE
November 24 2013, 02:35PM
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@DSF

The hyperbolic negativity was in general, in this specific case I am with you, our drafting capabilities have been deplorable.

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#50 Woogie63
November 24 2013, 06:53PM
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Another way to look at it....

2014/15 add

Arco to 2c (Gagner 2RW) Harti to 3LW Lander to 4C Pitlick to 4 RW Klefblom to D5 Marincin to D7

That would make 13 draft picks on the big club... Not bad

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