So Mark Arcobello Gets To Play Now, Right?

Jonathan Willis
November 25 2013 11:23PM

 

It's been a tough time for Mark Arcobello. While manifestly better at hockey than every member of at least one entire line the Oilers have been running in recent days, he's been stuck in the press box as a healthy scratch. The official reason of late has been that a winning lineup deserves to be rewarded.  

Thanks to Monday's loss, the Oilers no longer have a winning lineup. Which should mean that Arcobello is back in.

Earning Minutes

To borrow a line from Oklahoma City coach Todd Nelson, we all know how big Mark Arcobello is. His size would seem to be why he didn't get a shot on the Tambellini-run Oilers last year, and it's the only real explanation for why he isn't getting minutes this year. Everything else he's done has been pretty good:

  • Is one of four Oilers (with Perron, Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle) to score more than two points per hour five-on-five
  • Has the best on-ice scoring chance numbers of any Oilers forward
  • Has the best on-ice shot numbers (Corsi, Fenwick, etc.) of any Oilers forward
  • Kills penalties, averaging 1:35 per game with the Oilers down a man
  • Wins 52.2 percent of his faceoffs, second only to Boyd Gordon
  • Leads all Edmonton forwards with 41 hits

Seriously, he's been ridiculous. And to have him sit while guys who struggle to hit the 20-point mark at the AHL level keep getting minutes despite mediocre performances is indefensible. 

If there is a bright spot to Edmonton's loss against the Blackhawks, it's that a very deserving player should find himself back in the lineup. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 oilerjed
November 26 2013, 10:28AM
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Virtual_Xi wrote:

"In addition, the NHL says the agreement guarantees that there will be no further regionalization of games or local blackouts."

This was as per the story on TSN.ca. That would be pretty sweet! I wonder what that actually entails though...probably just another option to add to your digital cable come next year.

P.S: this is broadcasting karma for letting go of Jay and Dan. Can't remember the last time I watched TSN for their highlights, plus Sportsnet has some real babes!

Does that mean that I will be able to watch sportsnet west for Oilers games Vs NHL CI? That would be sweet.

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#52 Ron Burgundy
November 26 2013, 10:32AM
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Reg Dunlop wrote:

If the price of Erhoff is a 1st, we would have to up the offer to a 1st and a 2nd to get them to take Gagner off our hands. Kind of like first prize being a ticket to see Lady Gaga, second prize being 2 tickets.

Ehrhoff has the scarier contract IMO. Dollars are OK but the term looks like a killer.

As a hockey trade Gags for Ehrhoff is an OK deal for us (not sure I love him, but that could just be the lingering Canucks stench), but Buffalo would seem to already have their quota of small-frys with Ennis and Hodgson. I'd suspect they would want one of the wingers - Yak perhaps, but in that case I'd want more back than Ehrhoff. Foligno would look good on our 3rd line. We throw in Potter or Nick Schultz and done deal.

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#53 madjam
November 26 2013, 10:35AM
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This is the year the fab5 were to carry us with Gagner as the sixth . It obviously is not happening . Is it the coaching , or those main six players ? Will they ever be good enough to carry this team to another acceptable level is the question ? If not , then time to blow up the failed rebuild and mold from the backend this time .

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#54 camdog
November 26 2013, 10:40AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Look, guys.

Acton isn't playing on the NHL team because of his Dad. this is absurd.

He's playing for the same reason many NHL teams have terrible 4th lines. They convince themselves they need beefy, useless players there.

Occam's Razor.

Eakins himself has said as much numerous times. He wants heaviness on the 4th line.

That and the absurd "don't tinker with winning" arguments are all you need to explain Acton playing.

Acton is on this team because the Oilers are a horrible drafting team. If they had any depth in the organization he would have never been signed.

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#55 Rama Lama
November 26 2013, 10:47AM
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He does everything asked of him and has a heart as big as Hall. He is not as small as people think I would suggest that his height and weight are incorrect as detailed on the official website.

Until Hemsky gets traded this guy will not get the ice time he deserves.........we must all remember what Eakins said out of both sides of his mouth, " ice time will be earned"!

What a joke!

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#56 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 26 2013, 10:51AM
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camdog wrote:

Acton is on this team because the Oilers are a horrible drafting team. If they had any depth in the organization he would have never been signed.

Your argument would make more sense if there weren't viable alternatives in the form of Arco, Lander and Horak (and Pitlick when he is healthy).

Signing him was a curious decision. Playing him is even more curious.

But the real curio isn't playing Acton, but playing Gazdic.

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#57 HiTs FrOm ThE bONg
November 26 2013, 10:58AM
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After all these years in the toilet someone should flush because the crap keeps piling up. Elite talent ?!? Where ?!? Not seein it. I see a bunch if scared little boys trying to play a game with men. I think I actually saw the Hawks laughing at us last night. Holy Crap !!! That's what we are. A joke. An organization full of crap, waiting for a flush.

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#58 Bucknuck
November 26 2013, 11:05AM
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Amen, JW. I am astonished that he is sitting when he has been so good this year. They better play him, because every minute he's out cries the word "bull$h!t" to Eakins words about earning ice time.

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#59 camdog
November 26 2013, 11:14AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Your argument would make more sense if there weren't viable alternatives in the form of Arco, Lander and Horak (and Pitlick when he is healthy).

Signing him was a curious decision. Playing him is even more curious.

But the real curio isn't playing Acton, but playing Gazdic.

When Acton was signed in the off season Arco was not a viable alternative. He's played into an alternative, but at the beginning of the season, he was not an alternative. Horak wasn't even with the organization, when Acton was signed so again he was not an alternative. Pitlick hasn't played center since junior, as a professional hockey player he's not a centre. As to Lander it's better for his career development to play this season in the AHL. Last season he had an awful season and prooved he was not ready for the NHL. So yes there were no other viable options within the organization.

Actually sad that a guy that couldn't even crack the Flames is mentioned as a depth center in this organisation.

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#60 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 26 2013, 11:28AM
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camdog wrote:

When Acton was signed in the off season Arco was not a viable alternative. He's played into an alternative, but at the beginning of the season, he was not an alternative. Horak wasn't even with the organization, when Acton was signed so again he was not an alternative. Pitlick hasn't played center since junior, as a professional hockey player he's not a centre. As to Lander it's better for his career development to play this season in the AHL. Last season he had an awful season and prooved he was not ready for the NHL. So yes there were no other viable options within the organization.

Actually sad that a guy that couldn't even crack the Flames is mentioned as a depth center in this organisation.

Ahh… I read "Acton is on this team" as a reference to him being on the current roster (as that is what the topic is), not in reference to simply being in the organization.

As I said, signing him was a curious decision. I have all kinds of time for a counterfactual on the decisions of the Summer at center.

I'm not sure why you think Arco wasn't an option. MacT clearly thought all the C's were in the mix.

Pitlick played Center all year so far in the AHL (again, I thought you were talking about now, not in the Summer) and was doing well and referred to it as his natural position.

Lander had a poor NHL season last year and a very strong finish to his AHL season. He was certainly a viable option and probably it was his job to lose in training camp… which he promptly did.

I wouldn't be so sure Horak is of so little value.

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#61 michael
November 26 2013, 11:31AM
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dougtheslug wrote:

The Acton-Arcobello fiasco is symptomatic of this entire organization. Chief Oiler apologist and propagandist Bob Stauffer says on the radio last night, "I don't expect the Oilers to beat Chicago. The big game is later this week against Nashville."

Seven years out of the playoffs, a half dozen high draft picks, half a decade into a rebuild, and Oiler management "don't expect" to compete against elite teams. That statement alone should be grounds for firing the entire management. I thought Kevin Lowe knew something about winning.

Katz still expects Oiler fans to pay elite ticket prices. And Oiler players expect to collect elite salaries at near the cap.

Bob Stauffer must die a little every time he goes to work and picks up his pay cheque.

I must be an apologist also then. Because I was not expecting the Oilers to win last night either. Must be some kind of reality disease. Like as in we live in a reality where the Hawk's are the SCC and the Oilers are a 29 th place team who are still trying figure out their heads from their buttholes. Maybe. Maybe in 2 years we'll be able to "expect" the Oilers to win a game against the Hawks.

BTW. Do you think that putting 5 forward against that Hawk PK was a wise idea? Especially when JT is matched up against Yakupov on the point. Canada's Olympic captain vs Yakupov. I know who I would take everyday of the week. JT school Yak and off he went on a breakaway. The end result was a goal. Who would of thought that was going to happen. The coach of the Hawks that's who.

I expect better coaching from Eakins. That was not it last night. Out of his league lat night and it showed.The team and Eakins have a lot to learn. You think?

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#62 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 26 2013, 11:41AM
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Gotta say, that was an absolutely filthy deke from Tazer on the shorty last night. Dubnyk may as well have stood in the corner and watched.

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#63 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 26 2013, 11:43AM
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michael wrote:

I must be an apologist also then. Because I was not expecting the Oilers to win last night either. Must be some kind of reality disease. Like as in we live in a reality where the Hawk's are the SCC and the Oilers are a 29 th place team who are still trying figure out their heads from their buttholes. Maybe. Maybe in 2 years we'll be able to "expect" the Oilers to win a game against the Hawks.

BTW. Do you think that putting 5 forward against that Hawk PK was a wise idea? Especially when JT is matched up against Yakupov on the point. Canada's Olympic captain vs Yakupov. I know who I would take everyday of the week. JT school Yak and off he went on a breakaway. The end result was a goal. Who would of thought that was going to happen. The coach of the Hawks that's who.

I expect better coaching from Eakins. That was not it last night. Out of his league lat night and it showed.The team and Eakins have a lot to learn. You think?

I don't generally expect the Oilers to beat elite teams, but I sure as hell bet on them every time they play the Hawks. That's been easy money for the past few years.

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#64 Smokey
November 26 2013, 11:49AM
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Complete madness Arco sat out so long. No justification.

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#65 Rotten Ron
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Keith Acton hired June 28 2013 Will Acton signed July 5 2013

Contrary to what Stauffer reports on his show this is the timeline.

There were many better options available to the club when he was signed and quite frankly still available now. Outside of the echl Acton hasnt played for a pro coach not named Dallas Eakins. Eakins credits Actons Sr. in getting his assistant role with the Leafs. Is it so hard to believe he would pay him back by hiring him and and his son?

Fact is Will Acton is not an NHL player and at best a 3-4 ahl center, he is as mac t called it a non factor. He is neither heavy or plays heavy, a poor penalty killer, doesnt hit, isnt hard on the forecheck, not good in his own end, not great in the faceoff circle, not fast and doesnt have good hands. What is everyone interested in this team outside oilers staff missing?

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#66 Richard
November 26 2013, 12:09PM
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Do results lie?

Why are there so many people who think Edmonton has a lot of potential.

Since 2005 lockout look at Oilers record.

Has reality jumped the shark with Oilers fans?

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#67 S cottV
November 26 2013, 12:10PM
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michael wrote:

I must be an apologist also then. Because I was not expecting the Oilers to win last night either. Must be some kind of reality disease. Like as in we live in a reality where the Hawk's are the SCC and the Oilers are a 29 th place team who are still trying figure out their heads from their buttholes. Maybe. Maybe in 2 years we'll be able to "expect" the Oilers to win a game against the Hawks.

BTW. Do you think that putting 5 forward against that Hawk PK was a wise idea? Especially when JT is matched up against Yakupov on the point. Canada's Olympic captain vs Yakupov. I know who I would take everyday of the week. JT school Yak and off he went on a breakaway. The end result was a goal. Who would of thought that was going to happen. The coach of the Hawks that's who.

I expect better coaching from Eakins. That was not it last night. Out of his league lat night and it showed.The team and Eakins have a lot to learn. You think?

I thinks - we know. It was a brutal Rookie Coach move to put 5 forwards out at that point. Doesnt matter that this quirky move worked in a game or two vs also ran hockey clubs. It's the Chicago Black Hawks - Stanley Cup Champions. Its the start of a big game to continue a winning streak vs a real hockey club. You are at home - you get a break and an early PP opportunity. A good start is essential and even a decent pp that generates some chances and doesnt score sends a message we are here to play tonight. So - what's he do? What 29 out of 30 NHL Coaches wouldnt do - play 5 forwards on the PP - with Yak in the back!

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#68 Smokey
November 26 2013, 12:13PM
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michael wrote:

I must be an apologist also then. Because I was not expecting the Oilers to win last night either. Must be some kind of reality disease. Like as in we live in a reality where the Hawk's are the SCC and the Oilers are a 29 th place team who are still trying figure out their heads from their buttholes. Maybe. Maybe in 2 years we'll be able to "expect" the Oilers to win a game against the Hawks.

BTW. Do you think that putting 5 forward against that Hawk PK was a wise idea? Especially when JT is matched up against Yakupov on the point. Canada's Olympic captain vs Yakupov. I know who I would take everyday of the week. JT school Yak and off he went on a breakaway. The end result was a goal. Who would of thought that was going to happen. The coach of the Hawks that's who.

I expect better coaching from Eakins. That was not it last night. Out of his league lat night and it showed.The team and Eakins have a lot to learn. You think?

Putting 5 guys on for the powerplay was fine. The problem was that if your taking the draw in neutral zone, your best to put at least one defender on to at least get proper zone entry. I saw the 5 forwards on the ice before the draw and said to my wife, this is stupid to start with this set-up in the neutral zone cause what happens if you loose the draw. They won the draw I believe, and then moved the puck into the zone on the half walln after getting entry. The guy on the half wall sent it to the point, and the turnover occurred because the hawks read it beautifully. They over-pursued the guy cause the Oilers were not set up. Being in properly set up say with an offensive draw is the only way I would run 5 forwards.

My point is this 5 guys on the powerplay is fine, it has its risks. But one of those guys should be interchangeable for a dman depending where the draw is. If you start in the neutral zone start with a puck carrier on the back end, you got a guy comfortable with holding the line. The forward who lost the puck is not use to holding the line. He could not make a play with the puck, he is not use to making an assessment at the line if he needs to back up, etc.

If I was Eakins I would of started with a dman in the neutral zone and switched if you had an offensive zone draw. Eakins looked like he had mud on his face after they showed him on camera. Whatever, he's an AHL coach.

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#69 Citizen David
November 26 2013, 12:15PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Your argument would make more sense if there weren't viable alternatives in the form of Arco, Lander and Horak (and Pitlick when he is healthy).

Signing him was a curious decision. Playing him is even more curious.

But the real curio isn't playing Acton, but playing Gazdic.

I agree completely except starting next year. I think Lander is benefiting greatly from his time on the farm. Allowing the prospects to develop for the rest of the year is what we should do. But next season if our fourth line isn't made up of these or similar players and is instead made of Acton's and Gazdic's it will be a fail.

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#70 K_Mart
November 26 2013, 12:27PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Will Acton. I get that Acton's 6'2" but Arcobello kills penalties and wins faceoffs the same way and is the far superior player.

maybe Eakins sees acton as the superior penalty killer, despite the pk time arco was getting.

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#71 Smokey
November 26 2013, 12:48PM
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Dave240 wrote:

Sad for everyone who works at TSN. They have a far superior product, in my opinion. I like to see journalists get rewarded for their work, but this is opposite of what happened. It must hurt that management (Bell) couldn't step up to the plate for its employees.

Also, I read that Sportsnet has editorial control over HNIC. That should be interesting...

TSN had the best product and analysts, just not the best bid. I could care less really who got what, but Bob McKenzie should sign on with CBC and replace Grapes. No one can fill the proverbial old shoes of that wonderful old bastard should they try, but Bobbymac is the premier analyst in the business because he's knowledgeably and frankly he needs to be on network that has hockey. So what the heck does this mean for TSN? Hockey is quintessential in the fabric of Canadian Society. I also wonder how much their shares fell this morning, I should of bought stock in Sportsnet I guess.

The big "BUTT," in all this was how the CBC retain rights with all the cutbacks. I guess they found money, cause without HNIC, CBC is dead. Hopefully they can afford better people then Hrudey, Stock, Healy, Weekes, Mark Lee, cause they got the worst guys. Without MacLean and Grapes its unbearable. I watch only Grapes and the broadcast. No point to the pregame or intermissions. Hotstove was systematically destroyed by Healy, and why the heck is Stock on TV. The guy has no clue, can't talk, is not compelling, and obviously has post concussion syndrome.

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#72 OilCanFan
November 26 2013, 12:51PM
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Not that any of the 5 forward power play has anything to do with this article, but I don't see that short handed goal being anything other than an unlucky play - the defender breaks his stick/fans trying to clear it and so it trickles to the blue line. Yakupov started leaving the zone to retrieve it and when he saw it trickling, he thought he could get to it before Toews. The other "defender" should have fallen back until they had possession instead of also going back into the zone which IS an issue with 5 forwards. Yakupov should just have tripped/tackled Toews before he broke past.

Nobody expected the Oilers to win last night, what was expected was a much better effort. Arcobello at least puts out the effort and at this point, I'm fine sitting just about anyone to put in a bit of heart.

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#73 loweblows
November 26 2013, 12:58PM
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future oiler lineup: will acton at center, keegan lowe and simpsons kid on defense, paulina gretzky on wing and some of the kids chris pronger left behind

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#74 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 26 2013, 01:03PM
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Smokey wrote:

TSN had the best product and analysts, just not the best bid. I could care less really who got what, but Bob McKenzie should sign on with CBC and replace Grapes. No one can fill the proverbial old shoes of that wonderful old bastard should they try, but Bobbymac is the premier analyst in the business because he's knowledgeably and frankly he needs to be on network that has hockey. So what the heck does this mean for TSN? Hockey is quintessential in the fabric of Canadian Society. I also wonder how much their shares fell this morning, I should of bought stock in Sportsnet I guess.

The big "BUTT," in all this was how the CBC retain rights with all the cutbacks. I guess they found money, cause without HNIC, CBC is dead. Hopefully they can afford better people then Hrudey, Stock, Healy, Weekes, Mark Lee, cause they got the worst guys. Without MacLean and Grapes its unbearable. I watch only Grapes and the broadcast. No point to the pregame or intermissions. Hotstove was systematically destroyed by Healy, and why the heck is Stock on TV. The guy has no clue, can't talk, is not compelling, and obviously has post concussion syndrome.

How great would HNIC be with Ron Maclean and Bob Mackenzie?

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#75 nina russo
November 26 2013, 01:05PM
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Absolutely. Just ANOTHER example of the Eakins learning curve. Any other city he has lost his job already -- Todd Nelson soooooo deserves a shot here.

You want size on your fourth line -- Gazdic-Gordon-Jones. Play them more than 5 minutes a game (say 10-12 minutes); second-shift them after every small line when the grit is needed.

Run three skill lines in between, and you have four lines who can play at any time during the game (short-handed, last minutes of games, etc.) and PRODUCE.

Where do I sign a petition to make Eakins an assistant coach to Todd Nelson????

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#76 Smokey
November 26 2013, 01:11PM
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nina russo wrote:

Absolutely. Just ANOTHER example of the Eakins learning curve. Any other city he has lost his job already -- Todd Nelson soooooo deserves a shot here.

You want size on your fourth line -- Gazdic-Gordon-Jones. Play them more than 5 minutes a game (say 10-12 minutes); second-shift them after every small line when the grit is needed.

Run three skill lines in between, and you have four lines who can play at any time during the game (short-handed, last minutes of games, etc.) and PRODUCE.

Where do I sign a petition to make Eakins an assistant coach to Todd Nelson????

Nelson could seemlessly transition here. But frankly I could live with turfing Lowe, MacT, Bucky, and Smith.

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#77 patrick miranda
November 26 2013, 01:15PM
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nina russo wrote:

Absolutely. Just ANOTHER example of the Eakins learning curve. Any other city he has lost his job already -- Todd Nelson soooooo deserves a shot here.

You want size on your fourth line -- Gazdic-Gordon-Jones. Play them more than 5 minutes a game (say 10-12 minutes); second-shift them after every small line when the grit is needed.

Run three skill lines in between, and you have four lines who can play at any time during the game (short-handed, last minutes of games, etc.) and PRODUCE.

Where do I sign a petition to make Eakins an assistant coach to Todd Nelson????

Aggree, but switch out Gazdic for Joensuu. Definitely agree about Nelson, takes what he has and makes it work.

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#78 rickithebear
November 26 2013, 01:17PM
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Cam dog: terrible drafting team? Fraser was putrid Pendergast failed on 1st RD!

In 2005-06 we mortgaged our picks and went on a cup run. by o7-08 we had 5 players left. we shipped 3 picks for Penner Pronger got us lupul, SMID, EBERLE, Smyth: Nillson, Omara, Plante

1994 bonsignore, SMYTH 1995 Kelly, Laroque 1996 Devereaux, Decouteaux 1997 Riesen, Dovigi 1998 heinrich, Henry 1999 Rita, Semenov, Salmelainen 2000 Mikhnov, Winchester Fraser era over 1 top 9 player in 15 picks.

Pendergast era starts 2001 HEMSKY, lynch (traded pronger), caron 2002 Ninimaki, JDD, Stoll, Greene (trade for vishnovsky) 2003 M-A P, Mcdonald, J-F J 2004 DUBNYK, Schremp, Tesliuk, Paukovich 2005 Cogliano traded for 2nd , Chorney 2006 No 1st (trade Rolonson), PETRY these 13 years 7 are top 9 nhl players

Macgregor starts as head scout 2007 GAGNER (24yr), plante, Nash 2008 EBERLE (23 yr) 2009 MPS(22 YR)(for Perron 25yr), Lander (22yr) 2010 HALL, pitlick (21yr), Marincin, Hamilton All 21 2011 RNH (20), Klefbom (20), Musil (20) 2012 YAKUPOV (20), Moroz(19), Khaira (19) 2013 Nurse(18), M-O roy (19), Yakimov (19) Of the 19 top picks in last 7 years 6 top 6 players, 3 likely top 4 dmen, 5 likely top 9 and J. schultz(23), Arcobello(25) college free agents.

Players develop there full mass by age 27. most are 3-7 years away from the 26-31yr peak age range. 3-7 years

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#79 Hall of a Player
November 26 2013, 01:38PM
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Virtual_Xi wrote:

"In addition, the NHL says the agreement guarantees that there will be no further regionalization of games or local blackouts."

This was as per the story on TSN.ca. That would be pretty sweet! I wonder what that actually entails though...probably just another option to add to your digital cable come next year.

P.S: this is broadcasting karma for letting go of Jay and Dan. Can't remember the last time I watched TSN for their highlights, plus Sportsnet has some real babes!

Caroline Cameron...yummy!!!

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#80 Curcro
November 26 2013, 01:39PM
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S cottV wrote:

I thinks - we know. It was a brutal Rookie Coach move to put 5 forwards out at that point. Doesnt matter that this quirky move worked in a game or two vs also ran hockey clubs. It's the Chicago Black Hawks - Stanley Cup Champions. Its the start of a big game to continue a winning streak vs a real hockey club. You are at home - you get a break and an early PP opportunity. A good start is essential and even a decent pp that generates some chances and doesnt score sends a message we are here to play tonight. So - what's he do? What 29 out of 30 NHL Coaches wouldnt do - play 5 forwards on the PP - with Yak in the back!

The Oilers PP has scored more goals with the 5 Forward look.

If they score 10 and allow 1 Shorthanded goal. It is better than scoring 6 and allowing 0 Shorthanded goals over the same stretch.

The idea in the NHL is to score more goals than the other team.

Anytime you can increase the differential it is a good decision.

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#81 Lochenzo
November 26 2013, 01:40PM
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Klesla on waivers. I don't think he's having a bad year, but he's not getting minutes either with Ekman-Larsson and Yandle kicking around.

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#82 BaconWrapped
November 26 2013, 01:48PM
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JW, in answer to the question you ask: MacT (to Arco): Buy a house. Eakins: AND STAY THERE!!!!

just sayin...

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Wow. Did I watch the same game as everybody else?

1. The first goal could have happened just as easily with a d-man or 2 on the point. Did Yak city blow it? We all know he screwed up, but as OilCanFan pointed out (first to say so, 70 comments in), it was a strange play. Broken stick, split second hesitation, panics/mishandles the puck and it all leads to an uncontested breakaway. I hate to say it, but it immediately made me think of Tom Gilbert. To suggest that Eakins is amateur bc of that goal seems ridiculous to me.

2. I want to see Arcobello in the lineup, at Center. I'd take out Hemsky - he's due for an injury, and already looks a bit beatup out there. Gags to the wing, Arco in the middle.

3. I know the comments have moved beyond 'moral victories' but if real victories aren't gonna happen, then you can't abandon all goals and positives. If we all agree that we suck, then how upset should we be when we lose to a perennial powerhouse and defending champion. Now, I may be the only one who saw this, but I thought we had two lines that carried tha play, and maintained pressure and possession in the hawks zone for most of the night. It's been ages since I've seen the oilers do that against a good team. Usually against top teams, we spend the whole night in out own zone, and have trouble getting I to their end, to even generate shots. For a change, the oilers looked to me like they might have a shot at beating a team like the hawks, if we stop making two or three mistakes that lead to goals (yak at the blue line, Potter's first of the year)

4. If the oilers are ever going to turn things around, it will not be a question of flipping on a game one day, and watching the same group do things they've never done before. What I see is a group of guys struggling to learn how to do things right. Changing their paradigm, as they say. When we talk about blowing up the rebuild and starting again, we always think of trades and personnel. I think what Dallas has needed to do was som kind of an internal rebuild. Take the oilers habits (game and practic end hopefully lifestyle) and try to reset them and replace them with the eight way to do things; or at least the Eakins way. This will take time! The team has been too bad for too long for the players to just flip a switch and do things differently.

Has Dallas been perfect? Of course not, and there's plenty I disagree with. But his moves make the most sense from a context of 'our best players need to be better, and this team cannot win unless our wunderkids outplay the other teams' top players. Everything I see is about getting our stars to experience the role they will need to okay if they're going to be successful together. It's up to MacT to recognize if that won't happen, and make deals touting in guys that can do better. Sill, I believe that this core can be much better than what we've seen so far (this year, and over the last 3,4, 12 years)

5. Bryz looked really good. Amazing tip to beat him, but otherwise great.

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#84 Puck_In_Throat
November 26 2013, 02:13PM
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loweblows wrote:

future oiler lineup: will acton at center, keegan lowe and simpsons kid on defense, paulina gretzky on wing and some of the kids chris pronger left behind

umm I'm pretty sure all of Chris Pronger's kids got swallowed.

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The 90's were worse (Formerly Oilers need Ogie Oglethorpe) wrote:

Wow. Did I watch the same game as everybody else?

1. The first goal could have happened just as easily with a d-man or 2 on the point. Did Yak city blow it? We all know he screwed up, but as OilCanFan pointed out (first to say so, 70 comments in), it was a strange play. Broken stick, split second hesitation, panics/mishandles the puck and it all leads to an uncontested breakaway. I hate to say it, but it immediately made me think of Tom Gilbert. To suggest that Eakins is amateur bc of that goal seems ridiculous to me.

2. I want to see Arcobello in the lineup, at Center. I'd take out Hemsky - he's due for an injury, and already looks a bit beatup out there. Gags to the wing, Arco in the middle.

3. I know the comments have moved beyond 'moral victories' but if real victories aren't gonna happen, then you can't abandon all goals and positives. If we all agree that we suck, then how upset should we be when we lose to a perennial powerhouse and defending champion. Now, I may be the only one who saw this, but I thought we had two lines that carried tha play, and maintained pressure and possession in the hawks zone for most of the night. It's been ages since I've seen the oilers do that against a good team. Usually against top teams, we spend the whole night in out own zone, and have trouble getting I to their end, to even generate shots. For a change, the oilers looked to me like they might have a shot at beating a team like the hawks, if we stop making two or three mistakes that lead to goals (yak at the blue line, Potter's first of the year)

4. If the oilers are ever going to turn things around, it will not be a question of flipping on a game one day, and watching the same group do things they've never done before. What I see is a group of guys struggling to learn how to do things right. Changing their paradigm, as they say. When we talk about blowing up the rebuild and starting again, we always think of trades and personnel. I think what Dallas has needed to do was som kind of an internal rebuild. Take the oilers habits (game and practic end hopefully lifestyle) and try to reset them and replace them with the eight way to do things; or at least the Eakins way. This will take time! The team has been too bad for too long for the players to just flip a switch and do things differently.

Has Dallas been perfect? Of course not, and there's plenty I disagree with. But his moves make the most sense from a context of 'our best players need to be better, and this team cannot win unless our wunderkids outplay the other teams' top players. Everything I see is about getting our stars to experience the role they will need to okay if they're going to be successful together. It's up to MacT to recognize if that won't happen, and make deals touting in guys that can do better. Sill, I believe that this core can be much better than what we've seen so far (this year, and over the last 3,4, 12 years)

5. Bryz looked really good. Amazing tip to beat him, but otherwise great.

#3 all day. Meh they didnt really carry the play, or generate anything dangerous for the hawks most of the time but they didnt look terrible. Ill give you that.

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I thinks - we know. It was a brutal Rookie Coach move to put 5 forwards out at that point. Doesnt matter that this quirky move worked in a game or two vs also ran hockey clubs. It's the Chicago Black Hawks - Stanley Cup Champions. Its the start of a big game to continue a winning streak vs a real hockey club. You are at home - you get a break and an early PP opportunity. A good start is essential and even a decent pp that generates some chances and doesnt score sends a message we are here to play tonight. So - what's he do? What 29 out of 30 NHL Coaches wouldnt do - play 5 forwards on the PP - with Yak in the back!

Are you talking about the same Hawks with the second worst PK in the NHL who had only one short handed goal up until that point?

If your PP strategy is working you don't change it because you're afraid of one of the worst PKs in the league.

Playing scared is what bad teams do, and it's what this team has been doing far too often this season.

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November 26 2013, 03:37PM
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nina russo wrote:

Absolutely. Just ANOTHER example of the Eakins learning curve. Any other city he has lost his job already -- Todd Nelson soooooo deserves a shot here.

You want size on your fourth line -- Gazdic-Gordon-Jones. Play them more than 5 minutes a game (say 10-12 minutes); second-shift them after every small line when the grit is needed.

Run three skill lines in between, and you have four lines who can play at any time during the game (short-handed, last minutes of games, etc.) and PRODUCE.

Where do I sign a petition to make Eakins an assistant coach to Todd Nelson????

I would sign the petition and so would any hockey minded person IMHO.

That would be unless Mr. Bangs has another secrete agenda to tank for another year?? Just putting it out there........how else could you explain the insane bench decisions, line match-ups, and the concept of earned ice time.

Yes we have major personnel issues, especially on the back end, but coaching has lost us as many games as the performance of our players.

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November 26 2013, 03:41PM
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Smokey wrote:

Putting 5 guys on for the powerplay was fine. The problem was that if your taking the draw in neutral zone, your best to put at least one defender on to at least get proper zone entry. I saw the 5 forwards on the ice before the draw and said to my wife, this is stupid to start with this set-up in the neutral zone cause what happens if you loose the draw. They won the draw I believe, and then moved the puck into the zone on the half walln after getting entry. The guy on the half wall sent it to the point, and the turnover occurred because the hawks read it beautifully. They over-pursued the guy cause the Oilers were not set up. Being in properly set up say with an offensive draw is the only way I would run 5 forwards.

My point is this 5 guys on the powerplay is fine, it has its risks. But one of those guys should be interchangeable for a dman depending where the draw is. If you start in the neutral zone start with a puck carrier on the back end, you got a guy comfortable with holding the line. The forward who lost the puck is not use to holding the line. He could not make a play with the puck, he is not use to making an assessment at the line if he needs to back up, etc.

If I was Eakins I would of started with a dman in the neutral zone and switched if you had an offensive zone draw. Eakins looked like he had mud on his face after they showed him on camera. Whatever, he's an AHL coach.

I know Im nitpicking a little but........ your argument is moot. They won the face off and briefly had control in the Hawks end. 5 forwards did fine in the neutral zone. One misplay and one shortie.

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November 26 2013, 03:56PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Sorry to go off topic, but the news on national TV rights is huge.

CBC retains the Saturday night game and playoffs.

Rogers/Sportsnet gains exclusive broadcast and digital rights to all the rest of the NHL games.

TSN is out.

That is a huge fail for TSN.

Does anyone know how this new deal will affect the salary cap as the cap is supposedly attached to league revenue and goes up as revenue goes up? I'm assuming that a monster TV deal would be considered revenue and with that the cap should rise a fairly decent amount maybe?

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November 26 2013, 03:59PM
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Just had an eye opening revelation.

Gadzic leads the team in plus minus at 1.

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#91 BraveNugeWorld
November 26 2013, 04:12PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

Does anyone know how this new deal will affect the salary cap as the cap is supposedly attached to league revenue and goes up as revenue goes up? I'm assuming that a monster TV deal would be considered revenue and with that the cap should rise a fairly decent amount maybe?

I saw an estimate from someone on Twitter (@mirtle?) that the cap might go up about $3 million because of this deal.

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#92 Clarko
November 26 2013, 04:15PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

Does anyone know how this new deal will affect the salary cap as the cap is supposedly attached to league revenue and goes up as revenue goes up? I'm assuming that a monster TV deal would be considered revenue and with that the cap should rise a fairly decent amount maybe?

It should affect the cap, but not really by a whole lot. It is 5.2 billion over 12 years divided by 30 teams. It works out to about 14.5 million per season per team. The players share is 50% I think so only 7.25 million would affect the cap. Also, TSN's deal will come off the books and I'm not sure how much they were paying for the rights.

So we might be talking about a 3-4 million cap increase with the new deal...just estimating though.

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#93 Fresh Mess
November 26 2013, 04:48PM
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I'm assuming this means the end of The NHL Network.

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It should affect the cap, but not really by a whole lot. It is 5.2 billion over 12 years divided by 30 teams. It works out to about 14.5 million per season per team. The players share is 50% I think so only 7.25 million would affect the cap. Also, TSN's deal will come off the books and I'm not sure how much they were paying for the rights.

So we might be talking about a 3-4 million cap increase with the new deal...just estimating though.

I think it will be 5-6 million dollar cap increase. 14 million per team Drehger reporting a fee skimmed off the top to go towards Canadian teams. Remainder split 50-50 between owners and players.

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November 26 2013, 06:31PM
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nina russo wrote:

Absolutely. Just ANOTHER example of the Eakins learning curve. Any other city he has lost his job already -- Todd Nelson soooooo deserves a shot here.

You want size on your fourth line -- Gazdic-Gordon-Jones. Play them more than 5 minutes a game (say 10-12 minutes); second-shift them after every small line when the grit is needed.

Run three skill lines in between, and you have four lines who can play at any time during the game (short-handed, last minutes of games, etc.) and PRODUCE.

Where do I sign a petition to make Eakins an assistant coach to Todd Nelson????

But Gregor - Brownlee say we are just impatient and we can not have another coach this year.

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I might be over reacting, but I am starting to think that the so called core of young guns is not the answer. The guys are like 2, 3 and 4 rth year NHL players, and still playing like they are in junior hockey most nights.

I think what we see is what we will get 2 and 3 years down the road... other than maybe a few pounds of weight gain, I don't think the skill set will change much. What you see is what you get.... dangling, blind passes, no hitting, and limited shooting.

Honestly these guys have changed very little from junior days... then again when have the Oilers developed any player over the past 10 years.

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Frankly I would like to see both Arcobello and Jones get back in on the 4th line. Either one, although Jones is not a center, can take Acton's PK minutes, as well as replace Gadzik with a real hockey player. I would play them with Jonshuu and leave the top three lines intact for now. If Arco at least doesn't get in I while be one angry season ticket holder.

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Fresh Mess wrote:

I think it will be 5-6 million dollar cap increase. 14 million per team Drehger reporting a fee skimmed off the top to go towards Canadian teams. Remainder split 50-50 between owners and players.

That's not too bad, considering that there are other streams of revenue coming in as well. As the deal starts next year, I'm then guessing that there will be a small rise in the cap for next season and the big rise will be the season after as it is based on the previous seasons revenue. I could be wrong though and I guess we will find out in the summer.

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Spydyr wrote:

Was Lowe recently hired as a consultant for TSN?

Actually the Oilers have a partnership with Sportsnet, which is a part of rogers. So business is a booming!!!!, no need to change anything with the Oilers. We just keep giving them our money!!!!

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If Ryan Rishaugh wants to be edgy and tough, why doesn't he go ask Eakins, or either of the Actons why Will Acton is playing instead of Arcobello when his play has been poor to put in in nice terms. Now that would be a tough question.

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