GDB 27.0: BACK-TO-BACK?

Jason Gregor
November 29 2013 10:14AM

Ilya Bryzgalov couldn't have written a better script. In his first start as an Oiler, Bryzgalov 33 shots and picked up his first win and first shutout. Brzygalov is the first goalie to register a shutout in his first game as an Oiler since Jussi Markannen did it in 2001.

Does Eakins go back-to-back with Brzygalov or should he play a rested Devan Dubnyk?

Before you start yelling and ferociously hitting your keyboard with insults that I'm an idiot for even asking the question, read on.

The Oilers haven't won back-to-back road games on consecutive nights since December 1st and 2nd, 2010 when they beat Toronto and Montreal. Dubnyk beat the Habs 4-3 and the next night Nikolai Khabibulin shutout the Leafs 5-0.

Last night was Bryzgalov's first NHL start since April 25th, a span of 217 days, so he's likely a bit fatigued.

Eric T from NHLnumbers.com and Broadstreethockey wrote this piece about why you shouldn't play goalies on back-to-back nights.

He compared goalies who played on consecutive nights to goalies who played on one day's rest. Goalies playing on back-to-back nights, who usually are the starters for their respective team, see a significant dip in their SV%.

I understand that Eric's numbers are just guidelines and Eakins will go with his gut instinct, he's decided to start Bryzgalov, but considering how hard it is for Edmonton to win road games on consecutive nights, starting Dubnyk isn't as outlandish as you might think.

Dubnyk has played much better recently, he shutout Columbus ten days ago, and for the first time in a long time the Oilers are healthy and have competition for icetime throughout the lineup. This team needs some internal competition, and when I take into account Bryzgalov's recent lack of recent playing time, potential fatigue and the Oilers history on back-to-back nights, I'd lean towards starting Dubnyk tonight and going back to Bryzgalov on Sunday in Dallas.

Eakins doesn't like to mess with a winning lineup, and you could easily argue why starting Bryzgalov tonight is the right decision as well.

LINEUP

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Yakupov-Gagner-Hemsky
Smyth-Gordon-Perron
Jones-Arcobello-Joensuu

Ference-Petry
Grebeshkov-J.Schultz
Belov-N.Schultz

Bryzgalov

No need to change any forwards or D-men. Eakins was able to roll four lines last night due to the solid play of the 4th line, but also because the Oilers were protecting a lead. I'm not sure we will see many games where the difference in icetime from the top forward, David Perron 18:29, to the lowest, Ryan Jones 11:12, is only seven minutes.

Eakins was able to rest his top forwards, Hall played 17:12 while Eberle played 15:45, so they shouldn't have heavy legs tonight in Columbus.

QUICK HITS....

  • It is interesting how people's attitudes and thoughts change after a win. The Oilers won and no one was ripping Eakins for only playing Nail Yakupov 12:54. Earlier in the season after another loss many fans were livid that Yakupov was only playing 14 or 15 minutes. Winning cures almost everything, and it sure would be a refreshing change to discuss more victories than losses.
     
  • The 4th line played very well last night, but it was only one game. I need to see how Eakins will use his bench in tie games or when his team is trailing. I suspect it will be much different, but Jones and Arcobello, not surprisingly, were flying.
     
  • The Blue Jackets have been wildly inconsistent the past few games. Over their last six games they won 4-1, lost 7-0, won 2-1, lost 6-2, won 6-0 and lost 4-0. That is why betting on hockey is extremely painful for me.
     
  • Since the Blue Jackets entered the NHL, the Oilers have dominated them to the tune of 29-10-3-5, and they are a respectable 10-6-3-4 in Columbus. Most of the Oilers love playing the Blue Jackets:

    Nugent-Hopkins: 1 goal and 11 points in 7 games.
    Hall: 4 goals and 12 points in 9 games.
    Eberle: 6 goals and 12 points in 10 games.
    Hemsky: 14 goals and 39 points in 33 games.
    Smyth: 19 goals and 47 points in 46 games.
    Gagner: Eight goals and 21 points in 23 games.
    Jones: 6 goals and 13 points in 17 games. Most career points vs. any NHL team.
    Perron: 11 goals and 25 points in 29 games. Most career points vs. any NHL team.
     
  • The Oilers are at the midway point of the "easiest" stretch of their schedule. The Oilers had an 11 game stretch where they play CGY, CBJ, FLO, CHIC, NSH, CBJ, DALL, PHO, COL, CGY AND CAR. The Oilers are 4-1 thus far, and if they want to climb out of the basement in the western conference and get to where they don't need binoculars to see Minnesota or Vancouver's point totals, they need to go at least 4-2 in the remaining six games.
     
  • Eberle has 12 points in his last 11 games. He had 10 points in his first 10 games. In between those streaks he went five games without a point. If he stays healthy, don't be surprised to see him reach the 70-point mark again.
     
  • Hall has 19 points in 19 games, and he has 56 games to play. He should surpass 70 points as well.
     
  • Nugent-Hopkins has 20 points in 24 games. He'd be on pace for 66 points, but with a slight increase in production he could reach 70 as well.
     
  • The last time the Oilers had two 70-point players was in 2005/2006. Hemsky had 77, while Shawn Horcoff had 73. Jarret Stoll had 68 points that season.
     
  • If Eberle reaches the 70-point mark he'll become the 9th player in Oiler history to have multiple 70-point seasons.

    Jari Kurri had 10.
    Wayne Gretzky had 9, but 137 points was his lowest total. Sick
    Mark Messier had 8.
    Glenn Anderson had 8.
    Doug Weight had 6.
    Paul Coffey had 5.
    Esa Tikkanen had 3.
    Ales Hemsky had 2.

    Twelve players have done it once: Jimmy Carson (100), Blair MacDonald (94) Vincent Damphousse (89), Mike Krushelynski (88), Joe Murphy (82), Craig Simpson (76), Eberle (76), (Ken Linseman (75), Dave Lumley (74), Horcoff (73), Zdeno Ciger and Ryan Smyth (70). 

MIRROR, MIRROR...

GAME DAY PREDICTION: Despite bucking the odds and playing Bryzgalov, Eakins looks smart and the Oilers pick up their 30th victory over the Blue Jackets by a 4-1 score.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: RNH, Hall and Eberle combine on a first period goal.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Denis Grebeshkov decides to give Wanye and Oilersnation a late 6th birthday present. Grebeshkov is the only player Wanye ever picked as his GOAT two years in a row, and after learning he wasn't Wanye's GOAT for a 3rd time, Grebeshkov repays Wanye by scoring his first goal of the season. It is also his 2nd career against the Blue Jackets, which ties his career high for goals vs. one team.

DAY TWO...MONTH OF GIVING...

We had an excellent first day. Yesterday we raised $7,000 thanks to Brad's bid and the fine folks at Petersen Buick GMC for donating a one-year lease on a 2014 GMC Sierra.

Today's package includes....

You can bid by calling 780.444.1260 or 1.800.243.1945. All the proceeds will go to Santas Anonymous. Thanks in advance to all of those who make a bid.

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#101 Ari Gold
November 29 2013, 06:40PM
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This effort tonight looks weak. Skate hard all you want. I'm sick of them shying away from contact and the tough areas of the ice.

Get into it, get mean. They look anemic. Feed them a bowl of blood in the 2nd intermission.

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#102 bulldog12
November 29 2013, 07:01PM
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Not to worry Oiler fans. Hemsky is going to display his skill, grit, heart, veteran savvy and leadership to show these young kids how to come back and win games. Yeah you bet, a non factor again.

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#103 Arius Mumin
November 29 2013, 07:03PM
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bulldog12 wrote:

Not to worry Oiler fans. Hemsky is going to display his skill, grit, heart, veteran savvy and leadership to show these young kids how to come back and win games. Yeah you bet, a non factor again.

Go play with your non factor.!..

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#104 Ari Gold
November 29 2013, 07:05PM
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Pathetic effort tonight. I wish Hemsky was called out once in a while by his coach, or his teammates.

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#105 Arius Mumin
November 29 2013, 07:22PM
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Ari Gold wrote:

Pathetic effort tonight. I wish Hemsky was called out once in a while by his coach, or his teammates.

Hopefully Santa sees you as one of the nice bunch and grants you your wish this holiday season.

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#106 Arius Mumin
November 29 2013, 07:23PM
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Ari Gold wrote:

This effort tonight looks weak. Skate hard all you want. I'm sick of them shying away from contact and the tough areas of the ice.

Get into it, get mean. They look anemic. Feed them a bowl of blood in the 2nd intermission.

Who is "them"? Hemsky's multiple personalities?

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#107 Ari Gold
November 29 2013, 07:31PM
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Arius Mumin wrote:

Who is "them"? Hemsky's multiple personalities?

Yeah. Lazy, lethargic, somnolent and all-star.

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#108 Arius Mumin
November 29 2013, 07:37PM
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Ari Gold wrote:

Yeah. Lazy, lethargic, somnolent and all-star.

Says a lot about the NHL, eh? Keeping in mind that he is not even one of the top forwards on the Oilers roster. Don't forget enigmatic as well, for both Hemsky and the NHL.

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#109 Rod from Viking
November 29 2013, 07:39PM
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Ari Gold wrote:

Pathetic effort tonight. I wish Hemsky was called out once in a while by his coach, or his teammates.

I haven't heard Eakins say we could use more Hemsky's since game #2, I would bet KHL is in his future.

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#110 bazmagoo
November 29 2013, 07:43PM
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My guess is Hemsky leaves at the trade deadline for a 2nd round pick, he no longer fits in with the Oilers and it's time to move on (has been for a while). Unfortunately that is likely the most we can get for him.

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#111 Cynic
November 29 2013, 08:06PM
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A better guess would be that Hemsky gets off-loaded at the deadline for a 5th rounder. If the Oiles are lucky.

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#112 Lofty
November 29 2013, 09:08PM
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Cynic wrote:

A better guess would be that Hemsky gets off-loaded at the deadline for a 5th rounder. If the Oiles are lucky.

But the safest bet is a season ending injury a couple days before the trade deadline.

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#113 **
November 29 2013, 09:10PM
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Eakins is supposed to be an advanced stats guy. Why did he start BRyzgalov?. The guy has only played 4 games since april, I'm the driver of the BRyz bandwagon but the smart play was to start Dubnyk.

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#114 Zamboni Driver
November 29 2013, 09:30PM
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The funniest thing I have heard in eons was on Gregor's show today. Recounting Oilers who are top-10 at their position.

He said Hall (Taylor Hall, who has 7 goals)...okay. I'll go in with that I guess. Barely.

The funny part was the long hesitation for Nugent-Hopkins, long long pause, after which he decided that no, RNH is not there yet.

I almost drove in the ditch.

RNH is not a top 30 centre in the NHL. Maybe not top 50.

And he's our 'star first line centre' - maybe that's part of the problem, ya think?

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#115 GK1980
November 29 2013, 10:52PM
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I often watch you tube videos of past oilers teams and the 2006 playoff run. what a feeling watching that tema sicceed like they did. Will this team EVER get tp that level? It's sad its the only enjoyment I get with regards to the Oilers. Watching past highlights. The 2006 playoff run still gives me shivers. When is the last time any of us felt like this since that run? I guess we just got to hold on and hope MacT has a plan and knows that the heck he is doing.

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#116 GK1980
November 29 2013, 10:54PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

The funniest thing I have heard in eons was on Gregor's show today. Recounting Oilers who are top-10 at their position.

He said Hall (Taylor Hall, who has 7 goals)...okay. I'll go in with that I guess. Barely.

The funny part was the long hesitation for Nugent-Hopkins, long long pause, after which he decided that no, RNH is not there yet.

I almost drove in the ditch.

RNH is not a top 30 centre in the NHL. Maybe not top 50.

And he's our 'star first line centre' - maybe that's part of the problem, ya think?

That's what I have mentioned before. We draft these forst overall and "assume" they will be legite NHL stars. This is a huge mistake. The NHL is vastly diffeent then ripping up juniors. Tambellini thought this was the answer, we always need a legitimate top 6 with experiance. throwing the kids in to the fire and assuming they could carry this team is a mistake. the kids needed proper top 6 mentoring, "Top Six" mentoring.

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#117 Old School G
November 29 2013, 11:16PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

The funniest thing I have heard in eons was on Gregor's show today. Recounting Oilers who are top-10 at their position.

He said Hall (Taylor Hall, who has 7 goals)...okay. I'll go in with that I guess. Barely.

The funny part was the long hesitation for Nugent-Hopkins, long long pause, after which he decided that no, RNH is not there yet.

I almost drove in the ditch.

RNH is not a top 30 centre in the NHL. Maybe not top 50.

And he's our 'star first line centre' - maybe that's part of the problem, ya think?

I do like your point. I think Nuge is an absolutely great hockey player, and will be among the best in time. We need to strengthen our entire C depth. We absolutely need a top tier C still. Maybe not to take on the 1 Line role but to support Nuge in a greater capacity than Sam G can. I like Sam G just fine on the W. We all know Hemsky is going to be dealt whether we like it or not it just seems inevitable. Sammy could assume Hemmer's spot with a new, more suitable 2C, this player will add a dimension we haven't had in a while. We still need a top end D man or two to guide JSchultz, Petry, Nurse, Klefbom, and the rest of a promising crop of prospect D. This teams going to be really good when MacT adds the pieces needed to be more competitive in the West. Some big times moves need to happen yet but we're looking to be coming along just fine, I'm looking forward to this.

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#118 camdog
November 29 2013, 11:26PM
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@Old School G

LW - Hall, Perron RW - Yakopov, Eberle

Gags at 5 million on the third line is a lot of cap.

I was looking at the TSn Fantasy Rankings RNH is 32, of course there are some ahead that are worse but many behind that are overall better players. He's not a top 30 centre right now, there are alot of really good centers in this league.

On a side note Cullen's fantasy numbers have Smyth with a higher fantasy rating then Hemsky. If Smyth can maintain his checking role he might bring more in trade value at the deadine as a 4th line winger, then Hemsky at his cap hit.

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#119 Robin Brownlee
November 29 2013, 11:33PM
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@Zamboni Driver

-- Twenty centres have more points than RNH so far this season.

-- In 2012-13, RNH played 40 of 48 games. 55 centres had more points.

-- In 2011-12, RNH played in just 62 of 82 games. He finished 32nd in scoring among centres as a rookie.

-- RNH is 20 years old. He has done this on lousy teams. Still a lot of work to do, notably on face-offs, but probably fair to say that just out of his teens, he's a work in progress and there's room for improvement.

I don't see RNH in the top-10 and I don't think NHL GMs would either, if you polled them. I'm also confident the majority would put him in the 15-25th range. Not a lock, but certainly in the conversation.

None of what was said today in the comment you cite strikes me as the funniest thing "in eons." And you almost drove in the ditch? My. Maybe not top 50, eh?

Now, that's funny.

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#120 Old School G
November 29 2013, 11:39PM
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camdog wrote:

LW - Hall, Perron RW - Yakopov, Eberle

Gags at 5 million on the third line is a lot of cap.

I was looking at the TSn Fantasy Rankings RNH is 32, of course there are some ahead that are worse but many behind that are overall better players. He's not a top 30 centre right now, there are alot of really good centers in this league.

On a side note Cullen's fantasy numbers have Smyth with a higher fantasy rating then Hemsky. If Smyth can maintain his checking role he might bring more in trade value at the deadine as a 4th line winger, then Hemsky at his cap hit.

I see what you're saying. I would welcome Gagner being moved if MacT is able to make it happen, I still have no idea what all is involved in this handshake NTC between MacT and Gagner before his actual NTC kicks in.

I personally think Hemsky, Smytty, NSchultz, Dubnyk and Gagner, if workable will all be moved at some point. Do I like it. No, of course not. I'm a fan of these guys, they've been good soldiers but if they are needed to be moved to make this team relevant again then I am all for it.

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#122 Stack Pad Save
November 30 2013, 07:33AM
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@Gregor

Glad to see your up early on the weekend, my kids woke me up 30minutes ago. Best thing is my wife is still sleeping, so I can have breakfast with the kids. Little does she know that we are having syrup on waffles today, love kid food. There are some perks to being a parent, and eating their left overs is one of them.

I am wondering if anyone asked Eakins why he put 2 forwards out on a 5 on 3, especially for the second shift. DId he not watch and recognize that the single D-man down low got dominated in the crease area? I thought that section of the game was the turning point and where Eakins should have used a timeout to calm his team. I know that at the start of the 5 on 3 Columbus took a timeout, but Eakins could have used his to let his best defensive players rest.

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#123 Rob
November 30 2013, 09:45AM
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@Lofty

Got to agree with Gregor. Hall definitely top 10 winger and is starting to develop into a guy that is hard to play against. No other player on the Oilers roster is currently top 10 at his position, I think we as Oilers fans sometimes see our young players with beer goggles on. Are RNH and Eberle great players? They sure show flashes of it. Great players are consistently at the top of their game, night in and night out.

The addition of Perron was a nice start but MacT may have to move one of the four studs and a pick to get an established top 6 star to mentor the youth on this team and take away some pressure.

It's not Junior anymore boys, there are other players out there as good if not better than you are.

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#124 camdog
November 30 2013, 09:46AM
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@Jason Gregor

RNH is a 25-35 centre in the NHL, which is pretty good for a young guy. He isn't a number 45 and he isn't a number 15. RNH excels on the powerplay and is average at even strength. Eberle is a top 20 RW and Hall a top 10 LW.

The question we all have is RNH good enough to lead this team on his back to a cup? Not now, maybe in 2-3 years or maybe not? Which continues the verbage that we need another solid centre on this team before we can be competitve.

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#127 Zamboni Driver
November 30 2013, 10:13AM
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So here's the part I don't get, Jason and Robin.

Yesterday on Jason's show (listened to the whole thing driving back from YYC...and you paused...anyway), Jason and Jason talking about "why do we keep talking about the fourth line??!"

Then someone come (I come) out and call into question two of the Holy Triumvirate and the heavy hitters here come running to their defense.

Here's what I know Robin stats-wise - I think about the 30 teams in the NHL that RNH would be the #1 TODAY (not in the future...now) - then factor in teams that have excellent #2 (SJ, Pitt, etc.) - I don't arrive at 5'10", 170 lbs 20 year old as anywhere near the top 10 - top 50 was hyperbole.

Jason, regarding Hall, you have said he's the only Oiler capable of taking over a game. I actually agree with that. My really serious question, exactly what is he waiting for to do this?

Lastly I'll throw this one out under the auspices of continually protecting the 'kids' (huge upside, etc. etc.) - Eakins said yesterday they were not in shape. Really think he was talking about Gazdic, Acton, and the guy with 11 'U's in his name?

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#128 S cottV
November 30 2013, 10:19AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Taylor Hall was 2nd in points amongst LW with 50 last season...He has 19 points in 20 games this year.

Barely? Please tell me the 10 better LW...

As for RNH, don't lie and suggest there was a long, long pause..I said he isn't there yet.

He has played 127 games, and you talk like the kid is a crap player. Please show me the 50 centres who are better?

I noticed you didn't mention the point we were discussing. I said I don't understand why people rip on Dubnyk because he isn't a top-ten goalie.

Last year he was likely in the 15-20 range amongst starters. I said name any Oiler who is top-10 at their position...

Hall is the only one. RNH isn't there, but he hasn't played two full seasons, and you think that is the funniest thing you've ever heard.

If you listen closely I've stated for years the Oilers haven't protected the kids enough, but that doesn't mean RNH is bad, it means he shouldn't have to be a #1 centre this early in his career.

Absolutely - he is two years away from being a bonafide 1C. Hall and Eberle are ahead of his time and need veteran 1C support now - to be at their potential max effectiveness. With RNH in 1C training, Gagner in 2C and no bonafide 1D or 2D, we do not command the middle and cannot push the play up ice from the back. We have a bunch of skilled wingers playing mostly on the wrong side of the center ice line. So - if MacT wants to relieve his impatience, he better find a way to plug the 2C, 1D and 2D holes or it will be more of the same. If he can get that done, when RNH comes out of training - the team will be in a position to win consistently.

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#129 Robin Brownlee
November 30 2013, 11:16AM
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@Zamboni Driver

Gregor and Strudwick don't need anybody running to their defense.

When I see somebody saying RNH might not even be in the top 50 among NHL centres -- hyperbole you now admit -- it doesn't ring anywhere near true.

It reads like somebody looking for a reaction, which you got, or somebody who is of the mind that all MSM guys are dummies, which they are not. In any case, I don't see talk of RNH in the top-30 mix as the knee-slapper you made it sound like. It's not as black and white as you portrayed.

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#130 Zamboni Driver
November 30 2013, 11:25AM
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Robin I actually meant running to the defense of RNH, Eberle and Hall not the Jay's.

My point is the Oilers best players are not playing nearly well enough (two goals when it's already 4-0 vs. Columbus look good on individual stats sheets and that's it).

and it's not blasphemy to say that.

I don't think MSM guys are dummies at all, but I don't understand why it's not brought up that a significant part of the problem is just that - the best players simply aren't good enough. "Yet", I understand, but this City is damned sick of "pretty soon..."

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#131 Naky
November 30 2013, 11:54AM
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Team didn't play well again last night but not playing Dubnyk is a total rookie NHL coach mistake that's all on Eakins' shoulders. This is not the AHL, Mr. Eakins, no matter how much you want it to be. There are a handful of reasons why Bryz shouldn't have played the back to back and that's even if he had played right from training camp.

This is probably the third game this season that was winnable or could have been won if not for rookie level mistakes from Eakins like that game he pulled LBB and then sent him right back in on a 'gut feeling' or his other questionable lineup decisions early in the season.

His defense always seems to be that he goes with his 'gut feeling', except that his gut feeling is almost always the wrong decision when that hindsight is 20/20. Let logic and reason dictate some of your decisions and maybe some more things will go your way too. This guy's goalie management skills thus far has been brutal.

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#132 Rama Lama
November 30 2013, 12:06PM
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RNH is going to be a very, very good centre for many years but he needs to gain at least 10 lbs of muscle so that he can impose his physical will and be able to protect the puck better.

You cant' teach smart and this kid has all sorts of this.......you can add size and when this kid has that going for him he will be a clone of Datysuk.

The second line centre has to be discussed as well as defense but not the NUGE!

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#133 Clarko
November 30 2013, 12:17PM
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Naky wrote:

Team didn't play well again last night but not playing Dubnyk is a total rookie NHL coach mistake that's all on Eakins' shoulders. This is not the AHL, Mr. Eakins, no matter how much you want it to be. There are a handful of reasons why Bryz shouldn't have played the back to back and that's even if he had played right from training camp.

This is probably the third game this season that was winnable or could have been won if not for rookie level mistakes from Eakins like that game he pulled LBB and then sent him right back in on a 'gut feeling' or his other questionable lineup decisions early in the season.

His defense always seems to be that he goes with his 'gut feeling', except that his gut feeling is almost always the wrong decision when that hindsight is 20/20. Let logic and reason dictate some of your decisions and maybe some more things will go your way too. This guy's goalie management skills thus far has been brutal.

Didn't really matter which goalie started last night. Logic and reason dictates that if you don't score a goal for the first 50 minutes of any hockey game, you most likely aren't going to win that hockey game no matter how your goalie is playing.

Just like the Blackhawks game where Dubnyk was hung out to dry, Bryz didn't get much help last night either.

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#134 Arius Mumin
November 30 2013, 01:17PM
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What game can Hall take over? When?

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#135 Naky
November 30 2013, 01:27PM
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@Clarko

So if Dubnyk had only let one goal in and the Oilers scored those two at the end, we win. We can debate what ifs all night long but the point is that the smarter decision was to play the fresh goaltender who's supposed to be our starter and who has also been playing some damned fine hockey for the past two or three weeks. Instead, we played the tired goalie who had seen a grand total of one NHL game in a period of 7 or 8 months.

The issue of how many goals we score is an entirely different one; I'm talking about the bad goaltending decision in the first place.

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#136 Robin Brownlee
November 30 2013, 01:48PM
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If you've followed me on Twitter then you know I'm completely on board with fans who are sick and tired of waiting for "pretty soon."

Part of the problem with the best players, and this is also nothing new, is management has not surrounded them with the proper cast of veterans -- more guys like Perron -- capable of sharing top six minutes and showing them the ropes.

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#137 Arius Mumin
November 30 2013, 02:52PM
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Is there another option for the fan other than wait?

What ropes need to be shown to the best players?

How many more guys like Perron do you have in mind? How many more do you believe they need?

Remember Horcoff? I was convinced by the MSM on Horcoff's leadership qualities and his purpose of mentorship. Smyth is still here and he gets PP time, that says something. What exactly is Ryan Jones purpose? I'm pretty sure he should able to show them a thing or two-he has been here forever with them.

I won't bring Gagner into this.

Ference was brought in to show them the ropes as well, no? I'm pretty sure he can show some ropes if need be. N.Schultz is a veteran and Petry has been here for a while as well. Smid was a warrior on most nights.

I do not believe any ropes need showing.

Who ropes do you believe need showing and to whom?

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