THE PLAN IS ON FIRE

Lowetide
November 03 2013 12:32PM

The Edmonton Oilers (MacT as GM edition) are 3-10-2 fifteen games in, and OilersNation has gone from anger to real disillusionment. Up next for the fanbase is indifference, but before they get there is there anything the GM can do?

 

  • Darcy Regier: "These GM jobs, they're good jobs. But waiting for a GM opportunity that's structured for success? I'm not sure it exists. When I was assessing the problems in Buffalo before I joined, Al Arbour said to me "Darcy, do you think there would be an opportunity there if there weren't problems? Go in there and do something about it.'" (from the book Behind the Moves).

I'm sure Craig MacTavish knew there were problems (he was part of the organization before agreeing to the job in spring) but there are elements out of the control of the GM that have (at least to this point) conspired against him. His new coach has gone from being seen as confident, fresh and relentless to another in a ever lengthening line of failed coaching hires in Edmonton.

His club has been rocked by injuries (two more last night, and as Robin Brownlee tweeted that Belov injury looked bad) goaltending maladies and confidence issues. I haven't seen locusts, but haven't been looking either.

It's a team in a bad way.

WHAT CAN THEY DO?

As the playoff hopes unhook and release (November 3rd!!!!) there's a sense that the club should do something--anything--to improve things. There are options:

  1. FIRE SOMEONE! Age old solution, find some poor schmuck who was in the room at the time. Candidates often include assistant coaches, pro scouts, the guy who brings the towels and people with one eyebrow. It usually doesn't help.
  2. HIRE SOMEONE! Oilers have already hired Messier, we just don't know what he's going to be doing.
  3. TRADE SOMEONE! Good idea, but you can go from 'we can't trade that guy' to 'no one wants our crap' in a heartbeat and the reality is that it's really early for a significant deal. Besides, the Oilers have traded Mike Brown which means they've used their "Steve Tambellini trade chips mid-season" allotment.
  4. CALL SOMEONE UP! They could call Omark, but I suspect he's broken his phone.

THIS IS GOING TO END BADLY

Probably. However, there's very little that can be done about things as they stand today. Firing the coach would be crazy, trading players when you haven't actually seen your entire team healthy is equally addled and despite being 3-10-2 after fifteen games you could make a case that with goaltending and better luck they could be 6-7-2.

That may sound like sunshine, and hell maybe it is, but from here there's not a lot going on here that some timely goaltending, a better penalty kill and better health can't fix.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The plan is on fire, the season is gone, but there's still a chance to get something out of it. Fix the PK, find useful 6's and 7's and 9's for the 3line with Gordon and the 4line overall. Get Yakupov scoring, get everyone else healthy, find a way to finish above Calgary and then work like buggers next summer to make certain that 2014-15 is the year we see a second season.

Sound horrible? It is. It's also the truth.

Or the owner can fire everyone again.

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#51 oilerman53
November 03 2013, 01:11PM
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I've been following the Oilers closely ever since they captured my heart again the night Marchant silenced that Texas crowd on a warm spring night. This is by far the worst team I've ever seen assembled, they play with zero passion and zero accountability. There isn't any fire throughout the whole lineup, I think the first mistake was giving up too early on Krueger. Then giving an outsider the captaincy, Taylor Hall was poised to lead this team. Before all of you naysayers come in with your catty remarks. Look at Colorado and their young captain, I'm sure Landeskog has some growing up to do but his team goes as he goes. With Hall in the lineup this team looks different, this is becoming a huge joke in itself and the fans are the real losers in the whole situation. I'm just frustrated beyond belief, I just wanna see some effing results. As a fan don't I deserve that much?

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#52 fig pucker
November 03 2013, 01:23PM
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here's a concern, anyone posting on this site or off the street could have drivin this team into the ground every the same as kevin lowe at company. if i'm mr. katz iwould be very concerned about the fact that my expert well paid upper managment has run this organization no better than some idiot off the street. katz, just saying, i could have landed the oilers where the are now for way less money than lowe. this is why it's so important to fire upper managment, and through an exaustive search, interviewing many qualified canadates hire the most competent one to be the new president then have him do the same for the gm position. with a fresh set of eyes and an unbiased approach maybe we can get this rebuild back on the rails. mr katz, i understand how you feel about lowe, mactavishand messier, igrew up watching these guys to, but just because rhey can drive a car does not qualify them to build one. after seven years it's prety clear kevin lowe doesn't know how, the results speak for themselves.

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#53 Oil Fan
November 03 2013, 05:41PM
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David S wrote:

http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/11/nadirs-raiders.html

No. YOU'RE welcome.

Ok, When Rocky Wirtz took over from the deceased Bill WIrtz he had a mind to improve the team he owned. This team had a long history but had been shortchanged and milked for the fans dollars. (pause to look up Rocky Wirtz)

Now practically the first thing Rocky Wirtz did was to hire a competent president of operations. I am not saying that this is the only reason Mr Wirtz owns one of the top 3 elite teams in hockey today, but the effect of a smart president that can hire the right people and find new ways to improve the teams image around the league is not to be underestimated.

So while I agree that some of the problem is with the players, how they play, and their body types, you must also acknowledge the positive long term impacts of a competent president, and the inverse, the problems of having a guy like KLowe, a retired hockey player... running the Oilers overall.

Fire Lowe

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#54 Get me outta this Mess !
November 03 2013, 12:42PM
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What ?!?!?! Where's the advance stats ?? Can't pull some numbers out the butt now, can you ?!?

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#55 Kevin Lowe
November 03 2013, 12:55PM
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I am sure there is a perfectly reasonable solution that only an Ex-Oiler with not Hockey Business or Administration skills can fix.

Start bringing merit based positions into the origination and things will change in time.

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#56 prudham's
November 03 2013, 01:39PM
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Your article is a correct assessment as far as I can tell. I'll throw in two peripheral points:

1. Wasn't the Oilers power play last year really good? Did they try to change to he Eakins way this year? If so, why not revert back to last year's PP system tout de suit? They still have two coaches that know it.

2. My anecdotal, but constant observation about organizations of any kind is that everything is affected by the top. This is not an original idea, but every aspect of a company is eventually suffused in ways subtle and overt by the topmost human element. D. Katz: Pressured the EIG into selling, using his love for the city and team as a talking point / went off to Quebec city in order to imply the team was not secure in Edmonton so he could gain leverage / went off Seattle to do the same thing / made secondary purely selfish demands after an agreement that was favorable to him had been made on the arena / then made extra threats based on that situation I believe.

The problem is that the Oilers really are a beloved institution, and the city deserves someone who actually thinks this too, and is not more motivated by greed than the good of the team/community. He doesn't deserve to own the Oilers, and I wish I heard more people strongly suggesting to him that he should sell to a better element.

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#57 ubermiguel
November 03 2013, 02:00PM
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Ference didn't name names but he talked about guys that weren't "self-motivated" to do the little things necessary to improve and win. Names! We want names! Trade them, waive them, or just leave them on the side of the road.

Notice how he had to pause to formulate a lie...errr...response to the question about the Oilers being a losing culture? It's worse than I thought. Cancers in the room need to be cut out. If that means chopping off one of the Fab 5, then so be it.

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#58 I know the feeling.
November 03 2013, 02:04PM
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Out with the trash wrote: I have been trying to figure out how to best convey how I feel about the current Oilers situation. As a second generation ticket holder I have been attending games since the age of 5. In that time I have seen some highs and lows, but last night I witnessed something else. The passion for this team has turned into apathy. I thought it was bad in the mid 90's when I'd be in the stands with 6000 other fans watching abysmal hockey played by a sub par team. Last night almost 17,000 fans showed up to watch the Oil. Except the Oil didn't show up. I have been as loyal a fan as I could possibly be. But now is the time to cut my losses. It has become painfully obvious that the only thing the Oilers want from me is my money. Well, no more money for you. I am cutting you off. No more driving thru blizzards for games, no more jerseys, hats, nothing. I am washing my hands of this team. I have paid over $300,000 in tickets since the Oilers last playoff game. I bought into the rebuild but this is not a rebuild it is a fleecing. My seats will remain vacant for the remainder of the season and the ticket renewal notice and calls will be left unanswered at years end. The Oilers will undoubtedly fill my seats next year but for the first time in almost 36 years. I don't care. I sincerely hope for the best for the Oilers but I am no longer willing waste my time or throw away money on the garbage product that has been on display since 2007. Ah... Now to get rid of this CoolAide taste left in my mouth.

300K!! nicely done!! I feel your pain on the value analytics of said "investment".

In the words of homer Simpson.. they really are the suckiest bunch of sucks that have ever sucked.

I am shocked that Wanye dry cleaning his jersey didn't turn this thing around.... simply shocked.

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#59 rob
November 03 2013, 02:38PM
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GK1980 wrote:

Please everyone be patient

Only if Lowe is gone

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#60 Quicksilver ballet
November 03 2013, 06:16PM
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ubermiguel wrote:

Ference didn't name names but he talked about guys that weren't "self-motivated" to do the little things necessary to improve and win. Names! We want names! Trade them, waive them, or just leave them on the side of the road.

Notice how he had to pause to formulate a lie...errr...response to the question about the Oilers being a losing culture? It's worse than I thought. Cancers in the room need to be cut out. If that means chopping off one of the Fab 5, then so be it.

What if it isn't just one of the fab 5, what if it's 2 or 3? I'm inclined to believe this may be closer to the real number. Andrew didn't name names, but we sure know it's those getting the majority of the minutes every night.

Good luck trying to find guys/value to come back this way in a trade(s) if this were to occur.

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#61 Ari Gold
November 03 2013, 06:19PM
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D wrote:

Watching the Chicago game. It's interesting to see the difference in compete levels between the Flames and the Oilers.

No big egos in that Calgary lineup. Aside from management, I think the Oil have some egos on their roster that think they're too good to listen to the coach.

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#62 D
November 03 2013, 06:42PM
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DSF wrote:

Yep.

Agree completely.

They work hard every shift.

Even when the Hawks had Calgary hemmed up in the early second period, the Flames were blocking shots and blocking lanes. Interesting - first time I really watched the Flames this season, but they really hustle.

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#63 D
November 03 2013, 06:54PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah.

Way overmatched in talent but they never quit.

And as soon as Chicago scored, the Flames redoubled their efforts and tied the game.

Interesting article on a blog (or in the Journal) that bringing in new players to the Oilers does not result in an importation of their previously winning culture (i.e. Ferrence), but instead the losing Oilers culture sucks the new hires in.

There's got to be a few undetected cancers in the Oilers dressing room.

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#64 Oiler Al
November 03 2013, 09:00PM
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It would appear that the coach has lost the room. How else do you explain the effort and results... Zero goals in the last two games, out shot 9-0.You cannot have 22 players all have an off game on the same two or three games.

It appears no veteran leadership is present.Why?Who are the would be vet. leaders... Hemsky, no, SMid no, Smyth, not playing, Jones.. giving all hes got which is really not that much, Petry.. no... Ference and Gordon new to the room.. Although Ference is the captain... might be a backlash from the Clique ...for Hall not getting the C.

May sound silly, and probably is, but how else do you explain this total collapse of an NHL team... there is more to this than Fire Lowe, and injured players.

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#65 15w40
November 03 2013, 01:10PM
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D wrote:

When a patient is in triage, the first step ER doctors take is to stabilize. Figure out what will get the patient through the night and then the week. Once the patient is clear from mortal danger, then follow-on medical personnel can determine how to rehabilitate the patient.

For the Oilers, it should be no different. We now have talented players that we were unable to retain in the late 90s and early 2000s. Determine this season what is missing in order to stabilize the team (while retaining the top end talent) and at least make it a passable NHL organization.

Okay, so there's no playoffs this year, but what could the Oilers do this season to compete at the level of say, Carolina or Nashville. Not elite, but at least passable NHL franchises. Once you get to that point, then worry about jumping to the Chicago-Pittsburgh level.

They are still at the point where they are yelling "CLEAR" and seeing if they can get a pulse.

Sad when your already in to a salvage operation from a smoldering heap of a season on the 1st weekend of November.

They need a fresh set of eyes - not the coach, (how many coaches has this group skewered), to evaluate the talent without any prior baggage of scouting or drafting them.

Look what Burke had to say about Sven Baertschi in Calgary. The current management has hitched their wagon to these guys and will ride them on greased rails into a lake of fire because they have painted themselves into a corner.

The 80's were great - but they are over. Time for a new perspective.

IMHO

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#66 Slats
November 03 2013, 01:17PM
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THE NEW VISION

I think that this has to start with a new philosophy of Team and Organization.

1. Start by being self-critical, perfectionist of all details, and a militaristic approach to the game;

2. Emphasis on Team - individual great players who are not team oriented are traded for multiple pieces/assets and are replaced for ones who are.

3. Equality among players and lack of individual ego (see above)

4. Complete devotion and strong work ethic, intelligence and high level of focus and preparation for each individual game

5. Be versatile and have players who are versatile, able to play multiple positions and systems (not 1 but multiple!)Multiple schemes intended to take advantage of their opponent's weaknesses.

The above is from the New England Patriots. The Edmonton Oilers Hockey Club does about 10% of these and that's why their results are about 10% of what a great team is.

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#67 Reagan
November 03 2013, 01:33PM
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@I Remember the Orange Jerseys

I couldn't agree with you more. Eberle has been pulling the puck hog BS for ten games now. Several instances he could have dished off nice passes to Yakupov but choose to dangle and lose the puck. To much young and not enough veterans to work. It would appear the majority of the younger players carry a cop on their shoulder.

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#68 Jeffff
November 03 2013, 01:34PM
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Every year young fast talented team. New coach every couple years. Rinse wash and repeat.

“Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious.”

FIRE KEVIN LOWE

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#70 RC
November 03 2013, 01:44PM
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This is by far the most disappointing, embarrassing start to a season ever. Everyone, wear your paper bags next home game!

Someone needs to ask the players: Why aren't they hitting or shooting? Why do they always pass when they've got the slot open to shoot? Why is no one paying a price in front of the net? Where's the passion?! Where's the effort?!

If you're scared to lose, don't play the game...

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#71 Loweblows
November 03 2013, 02:22PM
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Lowetide in his article said option 1is to fire someone. You vaguely rattle off options on who to fire but fail to mention one name. I think I speak for the majority of the posters here who have one name in mind only. For the mismanagement long term he has caused this organization there is only one man we want held accountable. If given 5 options on a non-scientific poll I am sure only one name would recieve the majority of votes and his name is Kevin Lowe.

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#72 rob
November 03 2013, 02:29PM
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If Klowe had a set of balls he would quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#73 Serious Gord
November 03 2013, 03:50PM
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Of all the bloggers and journos Lowetide is the most pollyannish of the bunch. And consistently so.

Until this post.

Yet he conspicuously ignores the elephant in the room:

Kevin Lowe.

A commenter further up urged patience (what were we doing the last seven years!!)

Another rebutted that if Lowe is fired we fans would grant the organization our patience.

He is absolutely correct.

Trades, coach firings won't do it. Lowes removal will.

It's Katz' choice.

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#74 Serious Gord
November 03 2013, 05:06PM
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David S wrote:

Firing Lowe will have ZERO effect on the on-ice product. What part of this simple fact do you not get?

The fact is that by tanking we purposely got rid of good players and replaced them with lesser, inferior versions. After multiple years of doing so we get what we're seeing. Underdeveloped D, inferior 3-4 lines and backup goalies masquerading as starters. But hey - three first picks!

You hate Lowe and I get that. But turning this team around from the damage done by tanking isn't going to happen by Lowe's dismissal. I'm pretty sure both MacT and Lowe know this too.

You want to blame someone, start at Katz. He authorized the tank job and he's keeping Lowe around, which tells me he and Lowe are seeing pretty much what they expected.

The team is where it is because they're trying to overcompensate for injuries and the unbalanced team that's resulted. Everybody is overtrying. Compound that with having far too many players who never learned defensive play because they had the puck on their sticks their entire junior careers and we get veteran teams running our show by pressuring our D corps night in and night out.

As a group they're exhausted because Eakins is overplaying the first two lines to compensate for the injuries. He'll never admit it but I'm sure he knows he's running his horses into the ground because we don't have the depth to pick up the slack.

So please. Enlighten me as to how firing Lowe is going to fix any of this.

Fixing the team for this season is out if the question. The season is over for all practical (reaching the playoffs) intents.

Fixing the team for the long term - fixing not just the deficiencies on the roster, but the obvious flaws in management and corporate practices (read cronyism) that caused and perpetuate the mess begins at the top: firing LOwe.

And hiring a competent POHO to begin this long term process.

The added benefit is that it will keep the wolves/irate fans at bay. And take the pressure off of MacT (or whoever is GM) to make bold, hasty, costly in the long term move.

And that benefit is the short term benefit and the long term benefit of firing Lowe.

You're welcome.

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#75 mlcselli
November 03 2013, 02:17PM
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I still remember the spiel Eakins put forth the day at the presser when he was introduced as the head coach. How motivated he sounded when he gave us all this hope. EVERYONE is going to compete, whether you were 1st line, 23rd man or someone in Oklahoma. We were going to play hard every night….blah blah blah. What a crock. He looks like he has also resigned himself to more losses. Craig MacT is nowhere to be found so he can tell us more about these bold moves we are all waiting for. Klowe is kissing his 6 rings and Katzs' arse. The players are only out for a skate. The Oilers are a pitiful, pathetic group, and we the fans pay a heavy price to support the team. I am so frustrated that nobody is listening to us, and doing something, anything to show there is hope. Change needs to come.

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#76 Junior Hockey Oilers
November 03 2013, 06:02PM
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LET US NOT FORGET THAT KEVIN LOWE WAS JUST A SHADOW ON ALL THESE STANLEY CUP WINNING TEAMS. IT IS NOT AS IF HE WAS AN IMPORTANT PIECE TO ANY OF THESE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS. IT IS LIKE BEING THE COUSIN OF SOMEONE WHO WON THE POWERBALL JACKPOT............. SURE YOU WILL PROBABLY BENEFIT FROM YOUR COUSINS WIN BUT YOU WERE DEFINITELY NOT THE REASON FOR IT AT ALL!!

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#77 The Real Gongshow
November 03 2013, 07:05PM
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DSF wrote:

For those of you with an interest and access to NHL Centre Ice, in half an hour, the Calgary Flames play the Blackhawks in Chicago.

Now, I have very little double that Chicago will win but I also have little doubt the Flames will show up and bust their butts for 3 periods.

Watch.

I have seen a higher level of competition out if the Flames in the 5 minutes of the Flames/Hawks game than I have seen from the Oil since the Phx game. I hear the word "Resilience" when describing the Flames. Somebody should sit the sh*t ass Oilers down and make em watch for awhile. That being said, Go Hawks !!

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#78 spliff
November 03 2013, 08:24PM
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Flames win 3 - 2 in Chicago, with GlenX gettting a goal and an assist.

Remember GlenX KLowe? Oiler fans were begging you to sign him, but you were too busy chasing Hossa, trying to get him to come to Edmonton for 10 million a year.

Of course KLowe knows better then Oil nation, we didn't need Glencross, there are lots of his type. Unf*ckingbelievable. I know its useless to keep harping on past mistakes, but KLowe and Tambelini's screw ups have driven this team into the sewer, and right now it looks like it might never get up.

Sure would be nice to have GlenX, Greene, Stoll and Souray in Oiler silks. What an absolute sh*tshow.

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#79 Seriously
November 03 2013, 12:41PM
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LT, you sure they hired messier ? This is now just a tragic joke of a franchise. Utterly pathetic and unconscionable to keep brining in ex -oilers who could play and nothing more.

LT, say it ain't so....

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#81 D
November 03 2013, 12:49PM
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When a patient is in triage, the first step ER doctors take is to stabilize. Figure out what will get the patient through the night and then the week. Once the patient is clear from mortal danger, then follow-on medical personnel can determine how to rehabilitate the patient.

For the Oilers, it should be no different. We now have talented players that we were unable to retain in the late 90s and early 2000s. Determine this season what is missing in order to stabilize the team (while retaining the top end talent) and at least make it a passable NHL organization.

Okay, so there's no playoffs this year, but what could the Oilers do this season to compete at the level of say, Carolina or Nashville. Not elite, but at least passable NHL franchises. Once you get to that point, then worry about jumping to the Chicago-Pittsburgh level.

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#82 6Rings
November 03 2013, 01:02PM
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Doug Messier to be named Head Coach Monday morning. Son Markie to be named special assistant to Joey Moss.

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#83 Post on FN. Too true.
November 03 2013, 01:44PM
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Reply Dear Current Calgary Flames,

THANK YOU FOR NOT BEING THE OILERS.

Sincerely,

My Sanity

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#84 GS
November 03 2013, 02:20PM
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Spydyr wrote:

This team has no heart, grit, passion, will to win. A bunch of soft, small, skill boys in a mans(NHL)game.

SAD BUT VERY, VERY TRUE!!! The whole league knows it as well!

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#85 Jordan
November 03 2013, 02:50PM
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pkam wrote:

I am sick of hearing the 2-tier fans comment from Lowe.

I am a 2nd tier fan according to Lowe's comment. And in my opinion, Lowe is doing the right thing.

Can you imagine those season ticket holders spending thousands of hard earn money, and in 41 night per year, spend 3 hrs per night sitting in the rink, $10 a beer and $8 a hotdog, plus lining up for 30 minutes to get into the parking and another 30 minutes to get out of the parking, to watch this terrible performance. Don't you think they deserve some special recognition from the management?

https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/edmonton-oilers-managment-group-darryl-katz-enforce-their-message-of-accountability-and-hold-kevin-lowe-responsible-for-this-debacle-of-a-season-either-resigning-or-fired#share

Sign the petition for Lowe to be held accountable and ripped from the top and fed to the masses( fans). Share with your friends! Change can be started by all of us !

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#86 DSF
November 03 2013, 04:09PM
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Ryan2 wrote:

Wow, I am going to sound more pessimistic than DSF here, but............

DSF, I agree with you on needing two top 2 d-men and a big center, along with better goaltending, but that still would not be enough to push the team into the playoffs. They need more size up front across the board, a more functional third line, and at least one PK or other specialist on the 4th line that can take more than 4 minutes per game.

Even if you do all that, they would still missing the biggest thing.....depth. There are some useful recent draft picks in the AHL and juniors that will hopefully be better than bottom pairing/fourth line contributors in two to three years, but that does nothing to help the team today. The lack of development due to weak drafting (the curse of 2003) and not having a farm team in the early 2000s is crippling the team now. Add in the fact that management dumped the few young depth prospects (e.g. Stoll, Brodziak, Mean Matt Greene) that were developed and are contributing elsewhere in the league, and you can see why the depth is as thin as it is.

As a fan, I hope I am wrong, but last year I was arguing with friends/family/co-workers that the organization was still three years away from the playoffs and this year is basically showing that. The biggest mistake MacT made when he came in was promising bold moves and turning everything around instead of taking the traditional GM gimme of assessing the current roster in year one, slowly disassembling it in years one and two for a noticeable change in year 3. He was too busy trying to placate the fans instead of being realistic about the situation. If MacT had actually paid attention in his MBA classes (I have one as well), or been as smart a hockey man as the organization and media claim, he would have taken a different approach. Yet another rookie mistake in a long list of them, including dumping a head coach that actually accomplished two things that the previous failures had not even without a full training camp to implement his system: 1) drastic improvements in PK and PP, and 2) play meaningful games later in the season. Unfortunately, just like in most of the post-lockout MacT, Quinn and Renney years, it looks like the team will be done by Christmas yet again.

Depth is actually the easy part IF you have a GM who knows what that looks like.

For example, Vancouver was lacking forward depth in the offseason and, without spending a ton of dough or any assets, Gillis acquired Mike Santorelli (now playing #2C and playing well) Zac Dalpe, Jeremy Welsh and Brad Richardson.

Richardson was signed as a cheap free agent while the other 3 were picked off waivers.

In fact, not one of the Canucks bottom 6 was drafted by them since bottom 6 players are always available. Drafting them, and then waiting years for them to develop is dumb.

They also have their core top 4 D locked up and their bottom pairing is a plug and play of Tanev (free agent signing), Ryan Stanton (waiver pick up)and Yannick Weber (free agent signing).

While Boyd Gordon was a good signing and Andrew Ference might be, MacT paid too much and too long for both.

Then he went nuts on 7-8 defensemen while ignoring the top pairing and in a fit of reactionary thinking, brought in SMac AND Gazdik.

Colour me underwhelmed.

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#87 gr8one
November 03 2013, 04:50PM
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Nichushkin got his first NHL goal today. How many does Nurse have? Oh wait..

Just another failure by MacT in his first few months. Ya dun goofed.

Wow, just wow.

That's about all I can say and still be nice.

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#88 DSF
November 03 2013, 04:59PM
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For those of you with an interest and access to NHL Centre Ice, in half an hour, the Calgary Flames play the Blackhawks in Chicago.

Now, I have very little double that Chicago will win but I also have little doubt the Flames will show up and bust their butts for 3 periods.

Watch.

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#89 Wäx Män Riley
November 03 2013, 06:11PM
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I also forgot to mention two things: I just returned to Kingston from Ottawa where I saw the Sens-Dallas game this afternoon. Tyler Seguin looks like a legit super star on the making. He has 15 pts, probably what Taylor Hall would register if he wasnt injured and if the team would score at a normal rate. The other thing that got me going a bit was the pre-game show on 1200AM was the suggestion that Craig Anderson would look good for the Oilers but they speculated that one of the kids would be required to Ottawa.

Just saying. Plus when I left Can Tire Centre, Craig Anderson was on a stretcher, injured...

On a stretcher?

Then he WILL fit right in with this team.

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#90 Not serious
November 03 2013, 06:21PM
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Put the Boys on the Bus and run it over a cliff.

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#91 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 03 2013, 06:43PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

LT

I honestly think it’s gone beyond the “rails” It’s bigger than a little luck on the PK, better goaltending and bad luck health wise.

Question for everyone –

Can you be so invested in something that it actually affects your ability to do something correctly??

What I’m trying to get at is, K. Lowe & MacTavish are so invested in the Oilers that they can’t see that there actually the problem or at least contributing to the problem?

Nothing they have done has really worked out now has it?

This is a systemic issue and it has managements finger prints all over the place.

Maybe to a slight degree, but it’s not the talent on the ice, we’ve seen these players play good.

So what’s left?

They cant see the problem they created because their egos (especially Lowes) wont let them. They and their media partners have shoved Dubnyk so far down our throats as a great goalie it has become a joke. Lowes presser laster year showed who he is: A bully that will throw a temper tantrum when he doesnt get his way.

Remember when Lowe called Al Strachan a liar and I believe he use bloated gas bag but i could be wrong. Yet Strachan was telling the truth. ( I hate Strachan anyway) Lowe responded with bluster and hot air yet absolutley no substance.

Kevin lowe is way over rated as a hockey manager and his actions show why.

Just sayin

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#92 DSF
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Even when the Hawks had Calgary hemmed up in the early second period, the Flames were blocking shots and blocking lanes. Interesting - first time I really watched the Flames this season, but they really hustle.

Yeah.

Way overmatched in talent but they never quit.

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#93 madjam
November 03 2013, 10:22PM
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Lowetide : Any chance you can get Kreuger on your show and ask him what he would do to correct the mess we are in . Would be nice to get his assessment of our personnel as well Thirdly , would he be interested in coming back and coaching the team again .

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#94 Spydyr
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......Flames win!!!! Crap.....Glencross 1 goal and set up winning goal in OT......why cant the Oilers find someone like Glencross.....Oh!......never mind......

And for all the Lowe lovers. Losing Glencross is on Lowe.

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November 03 2013, 01:36PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

I haven't missed an oilers game since the invention of the PVR, and this is the worst Oilers Team I have ever seen..

Worst Goaltending. Worst Defence. Absolutely the Worst Forward Group.

No grit, no forecheck, no passion, no desire.

Team seems confused out there, with no idea how to score and how to keep the puck out of the net.

It's so sad.

Trade Weber for Yakupov, Smid + parts. Trade Gagner for Bogosian.

Trade N Shultz for a second rounder.

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#96 Ari Gold
November 03 2013, 03:37PM
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prudham's wrote:

Your article is a correct assessment as far as I can tell. I'll throw in two peripheral points:

1. Wasn't the Oilers power play last year really good? Did they try to change to he Eakins way this year? If so, why not revert back to last year's PP system tout de suit? They still have two coaches that know it.

2. My anecdotal, but constant observation about organizations of any kind is that everything is affected by the top. This is not an original idea, but every aspect of a company is eventually suffused in ways subtle and overt by the topmost human element. D. Katz: Pressured the EIG into selling, using his love for the city and team as a talking point / went off to Quebec city in order to imply the team was not secure in Edmonton so he could gain leverage / went off Seattle to do the same thing / made secondary purely selfish demands after an agreement that was favorable to him had been made on the arena / then made extra threats based on that situation I believe.

The problem is that the Oilers really are a beloved institution, and the city deserves someone who actually thinks this too, and is not more motivated by greed than the good of the team/community. He doesn't deserve to own the Oilers, and I wish I heard more people strongly suggesting to him that he should sell to a better element.

To those that missed it, read this. Remember how much ownership/management has shown how much they appreciate us. Speculation aside, let's remember what in fact they've truly 'done'.

They've ran the team into the ground, and kept it there. They've threatened to move the team if the arena deal isn't sweet enough for their pockets. They've called all of us fans that 'aren't paying customers' irrelevant.

I'll always look back to the glory days with fond memories but that won't blind me from seeing the obscenity that is this organization of the last 20 years is. I'm already indifferent after last night's performance.

Like any breakup, the key is to accept it & move on.

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#97 Nimrod
November 03 2013, 03:54PM
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The fish rots from the head down. As long as you have the most arrogant man in hockey as the president nothing will change.

But since he's friendly with the owner, he doesn't have to worry about a thing. A team that's not placed higher than 12th in the overall standings since he took over a dozen years ago. A team that's missed the playoffs seven years in a row. A team that had the first overall pick three years in a row. He's untouchable and he knows it.

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#98 Greg
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the worst part of this whole Lowe situation is that he's smearing that whole era of oilers hockey. before when you thought of that group you thought of the glory and and the cups. now all i think of is nepotism and how its ruined everything here. its not right to look at old images of the 80's oilers and be disgusted. its not right.

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#99 The Real Gongshow
November 03 2013, 08:19PM
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Hard work combined with some dedication can do wonders. Pay attention, young Oilers !!!

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#100 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 03 2013, 12:59PM
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I'm starting to think they should raffle off the assets one at a time, ask for nothing but first round picks. Keep Nuge and Nurse.

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