THE PLAN IS ON FIRE

Lowetide
November 03 2013 12:32PM

The Edmonton Oilers (MacT as GM edition) are 3-10-2 fifteen games in, and OilersNation has gone from anger to real disillusionment. Up next for the fanbase is indifference, but before they get there is there anything the GM can do?

 

  • Darcy Regier: "These GM jobs, they're good jobs. But waiting for a GM opportunity that's structured for success? I'm not sure it exists. When I was assessing the problems in Buffalo before I joined, Al Arbour said to me "Darcy, do you think there would be an opportunity there if there weren't problems? Go in there and do something about it.'" (from the book Behind the Moves).

I'm sure Craig MacTavish knew there were problems (he was part of the organization before agreeing to the job in spring) but there are elements out of the control of the GM that have (at least to this point) conspired against him. His new coach has gone from being seen as confident, fresh and relentless to another in a ever lengthening line of failed coaching hires in Edmonton.

His club has been rocked by injuries (two more last night, and as Robin Brownlee tweeted that Belov injury looked bad) goaltending maladies and confidence issues. I haven't seen locusts, but haven't been looking either.

It's a team in a bad way.

WHAT CAN THEY DO?

As the playoff hopes unhook and release (November 3rd!!!!) there's a sense that the club should do something--anything--to improve things. There are options:

  1. FIRE SOMEONE! Age old solution, find some poor schmuck who was in the room at the time. Candidates often include assistant coaches, pro scouts, the guy who brings the towels and people with one eyebrow. It usually doesn't help.
  2. HIRE SOMEONE! Oilers have already hired Messier, we just don't know what he's going to be doing.
  3. TRADE SOMEONE! Good idea, but you can go from 'we can't trade that guy' to 'no one wants our crap' in a heartbeat and the reality is that it's really early for a significant deal. Besides, the Oilers have traded Mike Brown which means they've used their "Steve Tambellini trade chips mid-season" allotment.
  4. CALL SOMEONE UP! They could call Omark, but I suspect he's broken his phone.

THIS IS GOING TO END BADLY

Probably. However, there's very little that can be done about things as they stand today. Firing the coach would be crazy, trading players when you haven't actually seen your entire team healthy is equally addled and despite being 3-10-2 after fifteen games you could make a case that with goaltending and better luck they could be 6-7-2.

That may sound like sunshine, and hell maybe it is, but from here there's not a lot going on here that some timely goaltending, a better penalty kill and better health can't fix.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The plan is on fire, the season is gone, but there's still a chance to get something out of it. Fix the PK, find useful 6's and 7's and 9's for the 3line with Gordon and the 4line overall. Get Yakupov scoring, get everyone else healthy, find a way to finish above Calgary and then work like buggers next summer to make certain that 2014-15 is the year we see a second season.

Sound horrible? It is. It's also the truth.

Or the owner can fire everyone again.

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#201 Dan 1919
November 03 2013, 01:48PM
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@nuge2nail

I would trade Yak and 2014 1st for Weber, or Eberle and pick. With Nashville’s two elite D-men and snake bitten offence they seem like an ideal trade partner...

I can never get this verified but I thought Weber said he wouldn’t play in Edm, mind you with his contract he would play, he’d get over it if they started winning.

The Oil would need to dump salary to get him though, it’ll never happen anyway.

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#202 DigDeepNBleedBlue
November 03 2013, 02:21PM
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Sunday Rant:

“You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it.” - Terry, ‘On The Waterfront’

Up until last night I would point to injuries, lack of grit and size, the missing of a Neanderthal D-man, system error, and sub-par goaltending as the major cluster pucks. This morning?

Well, I’ve seen a basketball. A tennis ball. Even one of those beach balls. Last night I didn’t see any type of balls. None whatsoever.

“I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom.” - Gen. Patton

The bottom has arrived. Puck the excuses. 60 pucking minutes! Hit. Don’t turn at the last second. That’s weak sh*t. Hit in all three zones. Finish your checks. This team is playing butter soft and all the strategies in the world ain’t gonna change the fate you create for yourself.

Everyone IS accountable.

The players just look lost. Get back to picking up a man when the opp. enters the zone. Apply some pressure. When that rush is thwarted get into zone coverage. The D need to be able to blindly pass to an area when they’re under pressure.

Then fight. Never stop the fight.

“A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.” - Gen. Patton

I think Coach needs a good, balls out, drunk. Tip the “fire water” back and let it all out. Scream and yell at the Gods! I don’t care. Then get the puck back on the horse. Trudge forward.

This sh*t ain’t over yet.

“It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.” - Gen. MacArthur

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#203 pkam
November 03 2013, 04:56PM
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Ryan2 wrote:

I disagree with you re: this being a coach problem. IF this roster is more talented than the one last year (it definitely is on the blue line), then how did the supposedly ineffective Kruger get better results?

A more experienced coach would have assessed the roster after being announced and develop a system that fits the players. Eakins did the opposite - he took a Junior or AHL system for a strong team and tried to apply it to a weak NHL team. Now we get to see if he can adapt the system to better fit his team, which is what a good coach would do........

Did you still remember Krueger's defense system last year? The Oilers sometimes would ignore a free puck 5 feet from him and looked for the player he supposed to shadow. That is the weirdest defense I ever watched in my life.

The GA was worse this year for several reasons.

1st, poor goaltending. I think this contributed to at least 10 GA, probably more. The 3rd goal last night is a great example.

2nd, terrible PK because Eakins believe our best players should be able to kill penalties and we are paying the price now. If you agree that our best players should have the ability to kill penalties, then it is the fault of the previous coaches, and Eakins is paying the price.

3rd, poor defense play by our players which has nothing to do with the Swarm system. Like the 1st goal last night, Petry cannot handle the puck and end up with a break away and a goal.

Eakins has explained his Swarm system. We will play a standard D zone coverage, but when one of our player pinch the opponent puck carrier near the wall, a 2nd player will jump in right away to take the puck away. To me, this is exactly a system to address the problem that our players can't win the 1 on 1 battle along the board 80% of the time.

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#204 pkam
November 03 2013, 05:01PM
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hankthetank wrote:

i don't see enough emotion from eakins on the bench besides pure resignation. why doesn't he get fired up and scream once in a while? when my kids do something wrong, i don't just roll my eyes and swear under my breath...you have to know how to motivate them to do what you ask. motivation = emotion, look at the Avs/Roy, win or lose, the guy is a firecracker and it's infectious!

Do you see Mike Babcock screaming at the bench? I guess you must think Tortorella is a better coach than Babcock.

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#205 Rob Gilgan
November 03 2013, 05:02PM
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Why should any of them care? (DKatz, KLowe, MacT, DEakins, the players….) They’re all making lots of money producing a disgrace. Just like the Leafs, for decades. You don’t need to win the Stanley Cup to make millions in Edmonton or Toronto, or to maintain a sell-out fan base. None of them are the problem. We are. As long as we watch play and pay, they don’t have to change a thing. When the owners weren’t happy, they shut the doors. That’s the only thing the fans can do to respond - and if Oilers fans have any jam at all - the next home game will have a minimum of 10,000 with Rexall bags on their heads. Want to make some money like DKatz, KLowe, MacT, DEakins, the players? Print those bags.

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#206 Rheal1
November 03 2013, 05:06PM
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I also forgot to mention two things: I just returned to Kingston from Ottawa where I saw the Sens-Dallas game this afternoon. Tyler Seguin looks like a legit super star on the making. He has 15 pts, probably what Taylor Hall would register if he wasnt injured and if the team would score at a normal rate. The other thing that got me going a bit was the pre-game show on 1200AM was the suggestion that Craig Anderson would look good for the Oilers but they speculated that one of the kids would be required to Ottawa.

Just saying. Plus when I left Can Tire Centre, Craig Anderson was on a stretcher, injured...

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#207 David S
November 03 2013, 05:11PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Fixing the team for this season is out if the question. The season is over for all practical (reaching the playoffs) intents.

Fixing the team for the long term - fixing not just the deficiencies on the roster, but the obvious flaws in management and corporate practices (read cronyism) that caused and perpetuate the mess begins at the top: firing LOwe.

And hiring a competent POHO to begin this long term process.

The added benefit is that it will keep the wolves/irate fans at bay. And take the pressure off of MacT (or whoever is GM) to make bold, hasty, costly in the long term move.

And that benefit is the short term benefit and the long term benefit of firing Lowe.

You're welcome.

http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/11/nadirs-raiders.html

No. YOU'RE welcome.

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#208 Oil Fan
November 03 2013, 05:43PM
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David S wrote:

http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/11/nadirs-raiders.html

No. YOU'RE welcome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Wirtz

Props given to Serious Gord

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#209 Ever the Optimist
November 03 2013, 07:45PM
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Ari Gold wrote:

I'm in the market for a new team to cheer for. Any suggestions? They don't have to be a SC favourite, just a dominant, hard-working team.

Try the Avalanche ..... same plan from the management without the constant losing

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#210 Listener
November 04 2013, 06:49AM
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madjam wrote:

Lowetide : Any chance you can get Kreuger on your show and ask him what he would do to correct the mess we are in . Would be nice to get his assessment of our personnel as well Thirdly , would he be interested in coming back and coaching the team again .

Good luck. LT only talks to obscure , basement bloggers who collectively have no greater insight than 90% of the posters here.

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#211 Kent Wilson
November 04 2013, 07:55AM
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@Listener

And who collectively control this site and it's commenting permissions.

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#212 outdoorzguy
November 04 2013, 11:30AM
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The title says "The Plan is on Fire". There's a "PLAN"?

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#214 james_dean
November 03 2013, 01:34PM
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oilerman53 wrote:

I've been following the Oilers closely ever since they captured my heart again the night Marchant silenced that Texas crowd on a warm spring night. This is by far the worst team I've ever seen assembled, they play with zero passion and zero accountability. There isn't any fire throughout the whole lineup, I think the first mistake was giving up too early on Krueger. Then giving an outsider the captaincy, Taylor Hall was poised to lead this team. Before all of you naysayers come in with your catty remarks. Look at Colorado and their young captain, I'm sure Landeskog has some growing up to do but his team goes as he goes. With Hall in the lineup this team looks different, this is becoming a huge joke in itself and the fans are the real losers in the whole situation. I'm just frustrated beyond belief, I just wanna see some effing results. As a fan don't I deserve that much?

Since that warm spring night in Texas a few friends and I have recorded a version of tom pettys free fallin

With the following lyrics change:

"and hes tood, hes Todd marchant"

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#215 K_Mart
November 03 2013, 02:24PM
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Making a trade this early is rarely a good idea unless you are 100% sure you are winning the deal.

MacT will make a huge move at the deadline. Sadly, we appear to be sellers not buyers, so maybe he's going to be getting picks in exchange for guys like Gagner, Hemsky, and one of Yak or Eberle.

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#216 John Kirsch
November 03 2013, 02:31PM
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Spydyr wrote:

This team has no heart, grit, passion, will to win. A bunch of soft, small, skill boys in a mans(NHL)game.

Agreed.

The Oilers have too many of the same type of forwards (see above) and have no real 1-2-3 D-men. This is what happens when you use too many of your high draft picks on pure offensive players and are unable to develop/recruit top end 3-4th liners. I am not ready to fire Mac or Dallas but for Lowe it is time to go.

In my opinion the Oil need to unload (any or all) Gagne, Hems, and or Hopkins at some point- none of these players impress me.

In terms of injuries every good team has them and finds a way to win without key players.

Bill Parcells famously said "you are what your record says you are...".

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#217 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
November 03 2013, 03:15PM
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Is there any truth to the rumor that I'm about to start with this post that one of the young guys has pulled a Comrie on the coaches wife? Hence, why he gets no respect.

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#218 pkam
November 03 2013, 03:43PM
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Ryan2 wrote:

We will agree to disagree re: Eakins - it is clear his system does not work. Look at how easily the Wings beat it with fast and accurate puck movement for great chances in the slot. I am coaching my son's Tier 2 Novice team and even at that level the results are the same - if we "swarm" in the d-zone the other team usually gets a good scoring chance (and vice versa). If my Novice kids can recognize the mistake when you ask them to explain it on the bench, then I am sure NHLers can as well.

I am not sure if this is a coach problem.

If your player cannot win a 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 puck battle 80% of the time, what are you going to do? Do you send another guy to help hoping we can win the puck with one extra player, or just let the other team take the puck 80% of the time?

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#219 Jordan
November 03 2013, 03:47PM
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https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/edmonton-oilers-managment-group-darryl-katz-enforce-their-message-of-accountability-and-hold-kevin-lowe-responsible-for-this-debacle-of-a-season-either-resigning-or-fired#share

SIGN THE PETITION . WE CAN'T MAKE CHANGE BY VOICING OUR DISPLEASURE HERE AS MUCH AS WE WISH IT COULD. THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS ADVOCATE FOR CHANGE . ONE VOICE CANNOT BE HEARD, BUT MANY VOICES WILL BE HEARD. THIS TEAM WILL NOT PROSPER WITH LOWE AT THE HELM. THEY DON'T HAVE THE POWER. THE FANS DO.

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#220 DSF
November 03 2013, 03:52PM
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Curcro wrote:

The reality is that the Oilers only need one of those things.

Top Pairing Defenders. That would calm down things in the D Zone, would mean the forwards had the puck more.

Dubnyk is roughly equivalent to Crawford (career .914 SvP).

The forward group except for the fourth line is actually reasonably good but they have been torched by injury.

As a team the Oilers look really tight right now, afraid to make a mistake.

They have Florida and Philadelphia two sucky teams on this trip. They need need need to win those games.

The top 6 is nowhere near good enough against the big teams in the WC.

Also, if your team is below average defensively, which they still would be with small skilled forwards, you'd better have ABOVE average goaltending.

.911 (and dropping) won't cut it.

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#221 pkam
November 03 2013, 03:58PM
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Spoils wrote:

then add the goalie slump, the heavy road schedule to start, and the new systems.

oh and the curse.

there is a curse right? there's no curse on the team?

hmmm...

OK I'll admit it, I am at a total loss.

Looking forward to an out of the blue turnaround beginning next game without reason.

I wasn't too worry until last night.

The team has been competitive even we didn't get the result, but we were completely dominated by the Wings last night. Not to mention we were well rested and they played the night before.

I was thinking that we can recoup some points from the home games down the road. But so far home game doesn't seem to give us any advantage.

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#222 David S
November 03 2013, 04:29PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Of all the bloggers and journos Lowetide is the most pollyannish of the bunch. And consistently so.

Until this post.

Yet he conspicuously ignores the elephant in the room:

Kevin Lowe.

A commenter further up urged patience (what were we doing the last seven years!!)

Another rebutted that if Lowe is fired we fans would grant the organization our patience.

He is absolutely correct.

Trades, coach firings won't do it. Lowes removal will.

It's Katz' choice.

Firing Lowe will have ZERO effect on the on-ice product. What part of this simple fact do you not get?

The fact is that by tanking we purposely got rid of good players and replaced them with lesser, inferior versions. After multiple years of doing so we get what we're seeing. Underdeveloped D, inferior 3-4 lines and backup goalies masquerading as starters. But hey - three first picks!

You hate Lowe and I get that. But turning this team around from the damage done by tanking isn't going to happen by Lowe's dismissal. I'm pretty sure both MacT and Lowe know this too.

You want to blame someone, start at Katz. He authorized the tank job and he's keeping Lowe around, which tells me he and Lowe are seeing pretty much what they expected.

The team is where it is because they're trying to overcompensate for injuries and the unbalanced team that's resulted. Everybody is overtrying. Compound that with having far too many players who never learned defensive play because they had the puck on their sticks their entire junior careers and we get veteran teams running our show by pressuring our D corps night in and night out.

As a group they're exhausted because Eakins is overplaying the first two lines to compensate for the injuries. He'll never admit it but I'm sure he knows he's running his horses into the ground because we don't have the depth to pick up the slack.

So please. Enlighten me as to how firing Lowe is going to fix any of this.

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#223 Rheal1
November 03 2013, 04:32PM
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I'll assess that the Oilers have a 33% chance to make playoffs by the time that new white elephant...heu... I mean that new arena is up & running.

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#225 DoubleDIon
November 04 2013, 10:38AM
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@THE GLASS IS ALWAYS HALF FULL

I'd give you our next two 1st round picks for Hall and Nuge in a heartbeat. No interest in Yak or Eberle though. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Hall is your franchise and will be a top 10 player in this league. Nuge puts in the effort to be a 200 foot player, he's just not strong enough yet. The hockey sense and desire is there for Nuge.

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#226 Neal
November 04 2013, 10:45AM
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Love seeing Ference's and Smid's comments. Ference pulling a Messier is exactly what's needed to get the danglers playing hockey.

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#227 Pucker
November 04 2013, 01:29PM
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DSF wrote:

For those of you with an interest and access to NHL Centre Ice, in half an hour, the Calgary Flames play the Blackhawks in Chicago.

Now, I have very little double that Chicago will win but I also have little doubt the Flames will show up and bust their butts for 3 periods.

Watch.

This is the first time I've propped DSF.

What's this world coming to ???

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#228 The Real Gongshow
November 03 2013, 01:36PM
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@The Real Gongshow.

Lost cause

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#229 VK63
November 03 2013, 02:37PM
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Completely OT but yet related. Kimberley Amirault.. motivational speaker and shrink has been WORKING with these as*hats for a few years now.

Not exactly a gold star on the old resume for the poor lass.

She is REALLY attractive though (IMO) ..... so perhaps... thats enough.

On further review.... look at this train wreck... attractive is a complete lock to stay employed by the Edmonton Oilers organization.

In fact..... give the girl a raise!!! She hasn't earned it but theres a bit of evidence that she might earn it in the future.

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#230 Jordan
November 03 2013, 02:47PM
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https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/edmonton-oilers-managment-group-darryl-katz-enforce-their-message-of-accountability-and-hold-kevin-lowe-responsible-for-this-debacle-of-a-season-either-resigning-or-fired#share sign the petition for Lowe to be held accountable. share with your friends! Sign the petition!

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#231 JJ
November 03 2013, 03:18PM
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Nichushkin got his first NHL goal today. How many does Nurse have? Oh wait..

Just another failure by MacT in his first few months. Ya dun goofed.

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#232 Spoils
November 03 2013, 03:43PM
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K_Mart wrote:

So our entire left wing position is gone. Hall,Perron,Joensuu,Smyth

Macintyre and Pitlick being out doesn't help either.

Justin Schultz and Belov are out.

Dubnyk is out.

Before that, Nuge, Gags, Grebs, Potter, and Hamilton were all injured.

Grebs, Potter, Hamilton, and Macintyre are the only injuries that aren't significant.

Not only are we leading the league in man games lost due to injury, almost all of ours have been to significant pieces. This is far from our only problem, but is almost certainly the biggest one this year.

The healthiest team in the league, Colorado, seems to be fine.

Pitt, Detroit, and Anaheim are up there in man games lost, but haven't lost any significant time from major players.

then add the goalie slump, the heavy road schedule to start, and the new systems.

oh and the curse.

there is a curse right? there's no curse on the team?

hmmm...

OK I'll admit it, I am at a total loss.

Looking forward to an out of the blue turnaround beginning next game without reason.

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#233 Quicksilver ballet
November 03 2013, 03:46PM
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Fire vs Fire

The Avalanche are on fire as well. Could you lay out for us the difference between these two types of fires please LT.

Hoping to pass my firefighters entrance exam in a couple weeks... ;)

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#234 i blow klow aka oilers owner
November 03 2013, 04:40PM
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everyone calm down please. everything is fine kevin told me he's making all the right moves. any way i've got to go make kevin a sandwich, he deserves it (he's won six stanly cups you know). just remember kevin has all the anawers, i just do what he tells me. thanks daryl

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#235 5inatrailer
November 04 2013, 08:30AM
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@D

Me too. My buddies and I have narrowed it down to San Jose (road trip!)

or St Louis Blues- heavy team and not the overall favorite.

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#236 michael
November 04 2013, 10:20AM
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Folks who are old enough. Me. Will remember the 11-0 loss way back in the day to the mighty Whale We sucked big time. It was a time when the Oilers team included HOF KLOWE,Coffey,Fuhr,Gretzky,Messier,Anderson and Kurri. Just a god awful bunch of players. We should have traded them all. Yup.

Do the Oilers current woes have anything to do with those times. Nope. Do they have anything to do with 6 years ago? nope. Times have changed. Players have changed. Coaches. GM's. Training staff. What else is requires to satiate the fan base. Lets fire KLOWE ts all his fault. You blame one guy for the performance of 23 players? I am certain the "puppet master" KLOWE has the uncanny ability to manipulate 23 players at the same time. Yup it must be Halloween. Next thing we know Chuckie will be appearing at a news conference being introduced as our new GM.

The Oilers current woes are on the them. Not last years team. Coach or GM. Them. Ference is right. The individual accountability has been limited. The players trust in one another is not there. At all. The end results are lack of cohesion on the ice. This far into the season I expected to see some growth in the systems play by this team. Well I am stunned by the lack of PP and PK. These 2 areas have been at least in the past respectable. Now. The word pathetic applies.

This week we play Florida and Philly. Either this team Cowboy's UP or not. For me what is missing is Hall's heart. His fire. His reckless Anderson like abandon. We need Perron's net prescence. We need Yakupov to be given free reign to create. I think at times Eakins is trying to take a diamond and turn it into a piece of charcoal. Rather than vice versa.

I see a good week. Oilers come home 2-2.With an SO loss in Chicago.

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#237 prudhams
November 04 2013, 02:39PM
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@Dangilitis

We have a difference in philosophy, and neither will convince the other, but I'll respond.

A little spurious to say you aren't trying to defend Katz, and then to get emotional and say I'm bitching and so forth...

I don't give him credit for keeping the Oilers in Edmonton. If the EIG - just as one example - had kept the team, it would still be here as well. Any hypothetical owner might just as easily have kept the team here as move it. Ticket sales here are good, other cities like Seattle etc. have been shown to be less profitable. So no, I won't give him my love for dangling the team over two other cities to get more for himself.

As you said things were going better for the EIG. If they had managed to keep the team during the hard Canadian dollar years, they likely could have kept it up then. I can't say that for sure because neither I nor many others know the inner workings, but I can say this - and you'll probably really disagree - a group similar to the EIG would be great right about now. With the cap and strong dollar, an ownership group that exists purely to keep the Oilers in town is something I'd take over solitary businessman that pulls these kinds of moves.

Call it greed or whatever you want. What do you call the Quebec, Seattle, and arena backslide? Don't answer, that's a hypothetical question. Just reflect. Did he donate to the U. of A.? Yes he did. I thought that was cool too until he did this other stuff. Why emphasize the donation over the manipulation? I seem to remember donating to the U. of A. was a promise he made when he bought the Oilers to make his pitch more convincing when they were saying no to him. Is that the same money you're talking about? Philanthropy? Who should laugh.

I don't care if he bought the team because he loves it. Lots of people love it and doesn't make them good people or good owners.

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#238 moved home
November 04 2013, 07:48PM
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well... I was living in canucks country for such a long time, never once did I cheer them on. I will always be true to my oilers.... I'm not a die hard hockey fan knowing all these names like you guys obviously do... but Im not retarded when it comes to the game...

My workplace... I was always the only one wearing an oilers jersey holding my head up high... just recently, I still wear my jersey but not with my head held high.

this team is a disgrace! we have all the young talent, have for the past years.... isn't it obvious that something must be wrong?

trading more players would be stupid.. lose the talent we have?? paying them more?? HELL NO, they get paid enough to skate and do what they love...

perhaps it could be the way they're managing their team???

just some food for thought...

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#239 Hammer
November 03 2013, 02:33PM
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L W T 3 10 2 This must be how the Oilers management is thinking.

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#240 MMAX
November 04 2013, 06:00AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Barring Katz selling the team the next best thing is firing Lowe. And as this is only a part time gig/hobby for Katz it makes sense to fire the person highest up who is full time involved (Lowe).

Perhaps Lowetide cannot bear thought of conceding that his hero has to be sacked.

I've got it, and I quote, "Somebody should frag his a**". Too bad Staff Sergeant Barnes wasn't in the Oilers organization. He'd do it in a heartbeat.

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#241 Dave
November 04 2013, 09:14AM
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rob wrote:

Things are not getting fixed till the new areana,We can say all we want about Katz but he is not stupid(selfish,arrogant,ect)but this is simply put he wants a cup,but not till the Oil are in his building!mark my words the last year before the new areana opens this team will be competive,and then ask yourself if that is coincidence or not!

p.s. please get rid of stauffer,I have never heard a more one sided sports personality in my life!

Why fire Stauffer ? He is probably the most honest employee of any Hockey club out there. He has his opinions which right or wrong are his own.

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#242 Captain Ron
November 04 2013, 11:55AM
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NJ wrote:

Flames beat hawks. ON THE ROAD.

Of note. I watched more of the flames game last night than I watched of the oil on Saturday.

Welcome to the fan club!!! Were having lots of fun over here right now!!!

Beat the Hawks on the road with a first game goalie. The Flames best D and captain, and one of their best forwards out of the lineup.

If not for the generous 5 on 3 the Hawks got they would have won it in regulation.

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#243 elpolodiabli
November 04 2013, 06:15PM
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@Mo Playoffs Mo Problems

Lol you're right guess I blame the 3am post

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