THE PLAN IS ON FIRE

Lowetide
November 03 2013 12:32PM

The Edmonton Oilers (MacT as GM edition) are 3-10-2 fifteen games in, and OilersNation has gone from anger to real disillusionment. Up next for the fanbase is indifference, but before they get there is there anything the GM can do?

 

  • Darcy Regier: "These GM jobs, they're good jobs. But waiting for a GM opportunity that's structured for success? I'm not sure it exists. When I was assessing the problems in Buffalo before I joined, Al Arbour said to me "Darcy, do you think there would be an opportunity there if there weren't problems? Go in there and do something about it.'" (from the book Behind the Moves).

I'm sure Craig MacTavish knew there were problems (he was part of the organization before agreeing to the job in spring) but there are elements out of the control of the GM that have (at least to this point) conspired against him. His new coach has gone from being seen as confident, fresh and relentless to another in a ever lengthening line of failed coaching hires in Edmonton.

His club has been rocked by injuries (two more last night, and as Robin Brownlee tweeted that Belov injury looked bad) goaltending maladies and confidence issues. I haven't seen locusts, but haven't been looking either.

It's a team in a bad way.

WHAT CAN THEY DO?

As the playoff hopes unhook and release (November 3rd!!!!) there's a sense that the club should do something--anything--to improve things. There are options:

  1. FIRE SOMEONE! Age old solution, find some poor schmuck who was in the room at the time. Candidates often include assistant coaches, pro scouts, the guy who brings the towels and people with one eyebrow. It usually doesn't help.
  2. HIRE SOMEONE! Oilers have already hired Messier, we just don't know what he's going to be doing.
  3. TRADE SOMEONE! Good idea, but you can go from 'we can't trade that guy' to 'no one wants our crap' in a heartbeat and the reality is that it's really early for a significant deal. Besides, the Oilers have traded Mike Brown which means they've used their "Steve Tambellini trade chips mid-season" allotment.
  4. CALL SOMEONE UP! They could call Omark, but I suspect he's broken his phone.

THIS IS GOING TO END BADLY

Probably. However, there's very little that can be done about things as they stand today. Firing the coach would be crazy, trading players when you haven't actually seen your entire team healthy is equally addled and despite being 3-10-2 after fifteen games you could make a case that with goaltending and better luck they could be 6-7-2.

That may sound like sunshine, and hell maybe it is, but from here there's not a lot going on here that some timely goaltending, a better penalty kill and better health can't fix.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The plan is on fire, the season is gone, but there's still a chance to get something out of it. Fix the PK, find useful 6's and 7's and 9's for the 3line with Gordon and the 4line overall. Get Yakupov scoring, get everyone else healthy, find a way to finish above Calgary and then work like buggers next summer to make certain that 2014-15 is the year we see a second season.

Sound horrible? It is. It's also the truth.

Or the owner can fire everyone again.

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#51 rob
November 04 2013, 08:40AM
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Things are not getting fixed till the new areana,We can say all we want about Katz but he is not stupid(selfish,arrogant,ect)but this is simply put he wants a cup,but not till the Oil are in his building!mark my words the last year before the new areana opens this team will be competive,and then ask yourself if that is coincidence or not!

p.s. please get rid of stauffer,I have never heard a more one sided sports personality in my life!

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#52 michael
November 04 2013, 10:20AM
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Folks who are old enough. Me. Will remember the 11-0 loss way back in the day to the mighty Whale We sucked big time. It was a time when the Oilers team included HOF KLOWE,Coffey,Fuhr,Gretzky,Messier,Anderson and Kurri. Just a god awful bunch of players. We should have traded them all. Yup.

Do the Oilers current woes have anything to do with those times. Nope. Do they have anything to do with 6 years ago? nope. Times have changed. Players have changed. Coaches. GM's. Training staff. What else is requires to satiate the fan base. Lets fire KLOWE ts all his fault. You blame one guy for the performance of 23 players? I am certain the "puppet master" KLOWE has the uncanny ability to manipulate 23 players at the same time. Yup it must be Halloween. Next thing we know Chuckie will be appearing at a news conference being introduced as our new GM.

The Oilers current woes are on the them. Not last years team. Coach or GM. Them. Ference is right. The individual accountability has been limited. The players trust in one another is not there. At all. The end results are lack of cohesion on the ice. This far into the season I expected to see some growth in the systems play by this team. Well I am stunned by the lack of PP and PK. These 2 areas have been at least in the past respectable. Now. The word pathetic applies.

This week we play Florida and Philly. Either this team Cowboy's UP or not. For me what is missing is Hall's heart. His fire. His reckless Anderson like abandon. We need Perron's net prescence. We need Yakupov to be given free reign to create. I think at times Eakins is trying to take a diamond and turn it into a piece of charcoal. Rather than vice versa.

I see a good week. Oilers come home 2-2.With an SO loss in Chicago.

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#53 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 03 2013, 12:52PM
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Man, four years ago the Oilers looked to be on the verge of something special. We've gone beyond embarrassing, we have achieved carney status. We are circus folk.

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#54 JonSwift
November 03 2013, 12:58PM
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I am now indifferent.

While I still consider myself a fan, it now doesn't bother me to miss games. If I have something else to do, I do it without regret.

The only thing making me keep my share of season's tickets is that I don't want to lose my seat at the new arena. I am not sure this is enough to hold on to them for 3 or 4 more years though. Still thinking about this...

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#55 Dan 1919
November 03 2013, 12:58PM
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It’s been going on too long to accredit the downfalls to injuries and bad goalies (even though they’re both true). As mentioned many times by many people, the NYR couldn’t get a skilled team working together with a group of elites in their prime, the Oilers clearly are not going to do it with a group of skilled guys under 23. It’s time to build a team. Who should be safe... no one. So where to start.

Hall is clearly the catalyst for sparking all the Hemskys on the team (Hemsky, Eberle, Gagner, RNH, Arco... yes too many Hemskys), so he should stay for now.

RNH is/will be the best centre, so let’s not start with him either. Gordon and Perron seem to be self motivated, keep them, do not trade Nurse.

With Eberle, Gagner, Yakupov, 2014 1stRound, Arco, Hemsky, J.Shultz, Klefbom, Petry and more on this team being expendable, you would think there is some sort of package deal that could bring a stellar defenceman to this town, maybe management deems goaltending to be the main culprit, get a goalie first then reassess... Do something............................

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#56 K_Mart
November 03 2013, 12:59PM
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So our entire left wing position is gone. Hall,Perron,Joensuu,Smyth

Macintyre and Pitlick being out doesn't help either.

Justin Schultz and Belov are out.

Dubnyk is out.

Before that, Nuge, Gags, Grebs, Potter, and Hamilton were all injured.

Grebs, Potter, Hamilton, and Macintyre are the only injuries that aren't significant.

Not only are we leading the league in man games lost due to injury, almost all of ours have been to significant pieces. This is far from our only problem, but is almost certainly the biggest one this year.

The healthiest team in the league, Colorado, seems to be fine.

Pitt, Detroit, and Anaheim are up there in man games lost, but haven't lost any significant time from major players.

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#57 Robster88
November 03 2013, 01:14PM
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Blow it all up. We need to start fresh, that means we need to fire everyone all the way up to the owner. Have we ever had a successful oilers team since Katz took over? No, we have missed the playoffs every year that he has been owner. The old boys club is ruining everything, no more hiring of ex-oilers! We will also need to trade all our young guns are restart because they all lack that character that you need in order for a team to win. If none of this happens we will be forever a losing team that is consistently at the bottom of the league in standings.

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#58 kale
November 03 2013, 01:44PM
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I wonder if anyone asked Dallas what his definition of "compete" was when he was hired.

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#59 Post on FN. Too true.
November 03 2013, 01:44PM
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Reply Dear Current Calgary Flames,

THANK YOU FOR NOT BEING THE OILERS.

Sincerely,

My Sanity

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#60 Oiler Al
November 03 2013, 01:58PM
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master of my domain wrote:

I wish my girlfriend sucked as much as the Oilers do

You got to find it first.

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#61 K_Mart
November 03 2013, 02:24PM
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Making a trade this early is rarely a good idea unless you are 100% sure you are winning the deal.

MacT will make a huge move at the deadline. Sadly, we appear to be sellers not buyers, so maybe he's going to be getting picks in exchange for guys like Gagner, Hemsky, and one of Yak or Eberle.

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#62 pkam
November 03 2013, 02:52PM
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Jordan wrote:

https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/edmonton-oilers-managment-group-darryl-katz-enforce-their-message-of-accountability-and-hold-kevin-lowe-responsible-for-this-debacle-of-a-season-either-resigning-or-fired#share

Sign the petition for Lowe to be held accountable and ripped from the top and fed to the masses( fans). Share with your friends! Change can be started by all of us !

Sorry, what I mean to say is I am sick of hearing the complaint about the 2-tier fans comment from Lowe.

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#63 BigE91
November 03 2013, 04:29PM
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I keep reading ON, following along on twitter waiting for something good to happen. I'm now resigned to the fact that the day when the ship is righted is not coming. This owner has his tree fort and he doesn't care.

I actually like what Eakins has been doing and I think a few changes in personnel would go a long way. And I'm not talking about Hemsky or 3rd or 4th line guys. One of Hall, Eberle, Schultz or Yakupov have to be the sacrificial lamb.

As it stands now, this organization won't see any of my money for tickets or merchandise for a very long time. The City of Edmonton was held hostage in arena negotiations and now the shoe is on the other foot and Katz and Co. aren't stepping up and providing a product that the City and fans can get behind. It's horrendous.

Except for the fact that if they left Edmonton would not see another NHL team for 50+ years I can't see any reason why we wouldn't have let this lousy group of slackers fly the coupe when there was a chance.

Signed,

another fan just venting and unlikely to look away from this car wreck!

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#64 DSF
November 03 2013, 06:46PM
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Ari Gold wrote:

I'm in the market for a new team to cheer for. Any suggestions? They don't have to be a SC favourite, just a dominant, hard-working team.

Minnesota is interesting.

Gone from crap to good on their way to elite.

Smart GM...great prospect pool.

A great example of how to build a contender without tanking.

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#66 Primo
November 03 2013, 09:37PM
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Ari Gold wrote:

I'm in the market for a new team to cheer for. Any suggestions? They don't have to be a SC favourite, just a dominant, hard-working team.

YOUR CALGARY FLAMES!!!!!!!

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#67 Seriously
November 03 2013, 12:41PM
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LT, you sure they hired messier ? This is now just a tragic joke of a franchise. Utterly pathetic and unconscionable to keep brining in ex -oilers who could play and nothing more.

LT, say it ain't so....

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#68 K_Mart
November 03 2013, 12:41PM
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TRADE EVERYONE, THEN FIRE EVERYONE

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#69 oilerman53
November 03 2013, 01:11PM
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I've been following the Oilers closely ever since they captured my heart again the night Marchant silenced that Texas crowd on a warm spring night. This is by far the worst team I've ever seen assembled, they play with zero passion and zero accountability. There isn't any fire throughout the whole lineup, I think the first mistake was giving up too early on Krueger. Then giving an outsider the captaincy, Taylor Hall was poised to lead this team. Before all of you naysayers come in with your catty remarks. Look at Colorado and their young captain, I'm sure Landeskog has some growing up to do but his team goes as he goes. With Hall in the lineup this team looks different, this is becoming a huge joke in itself and the fans are the real losers in the whole situation. I'm just frustrated beyond belief, I just wanna see some effing results. As a fan don't I deserve that much?

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#70 Reagan
November 03 2013, 01:33PM
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@I Remember the Orange Jerseys

I couldn't agree with you more. Eberle has been pulling the puck hog BS for ten games now. Several instances he could have dished off nice passes to Yakupov but choose to dangle and lose the puck. To much young and not enough veterans to work. It would appear the majority of the younger players carry a cop on their shoulder.

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#71 james_dean
November 03 2013, 01:34PM
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oilerman53 wrote:

I've been following the Oilers closely ever since they captured my heart again the night Marchant silenced that Texas crowd on a warm spring night. This is by far the worst team I've ever seen assembled, they play with zero passion and zero accountability. There isn't any fire throughout the whole lineup, I think the first mistake was giving up too early on Krueger. Then giving an outsider the captaincy, Taylor Hall was poised to lead this team. Before all of you naysayers come in with your catty remarks. Look at Colorado and their young captain, I'm sure Landeskog has some growing up to do but his team goes as he goes. With Hall in the lineup this team looks different, this is becoming a huge joke in itself and the fans are the real losers in the whole situation. I'm just frustrated beyond belief, I just wanna see some effing results. As a fan don't I deserve that much?

Since that warm spring night in Texas a few friends and I have recorded a version of tom pettys free fallin

With the following lyrics change:

"and hes tood, hes Todd marchant"

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#72 Post on FN. Too true.
November 03 2013, 01:44PM
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Reply Dear Current Calgary Flames,

THANK YOU FOR NOT BEING THE OILERS.

Sincerely,

My Sanity

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#73 Walter Sobchak
November 03 2013, 02:07PM
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LT

I honestly think it’s gone beyond the “rails” It’s bigger than a little luck on the PK, better goaltending and bad luck health wise.

Question for everyone –

Can you be so invested in something that it actually affects your ability to do something correctly??

What I’m trying to get at is, K. Lowe & MacTavish are so invested in the Oilers that they can’t see that there actually the problem or at least contributing to the problem?

Nothing they have done has really worked out now has it?

This is a systemic issue and it has managements finger prints all over the place.

Maybe to a slight degree, but it’s not the talent on the ice, we’ve seen these players play good.

So what’s left?

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#74 merlen
November 03 2013, 02:14PM
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I'd like to know why they are so against bringing in, and keeping someone with some experience? We've had plenty of rookie players, rookie coaches, rookie GM's and a rookie presedent of hockey operations. I say fire Kevin Lowe, let this rookie coach try his style on some other NHL team and get a experienced NHL coach, and let our players play the way that got them into the NHL in the first place.

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#75 oilabroad
November 03 2013, 02:26PM
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I am not sure why Eakins is getting a pass here.

He has force fed this swarm system down everyones throat when maybe he never had the right horses to do it. I have been hearing about this system since the season started, but did he actually know his players well enough to know if they were the right players to pull this off. Here is a thought, why not look at the core of the team and try to build a system around them. Right now it looks like he is getting no buy in, and like they say, you cant fire all the players.

Even if you could swap out a couple of kids to balance the line up, who would want them, they look clueless out there.

At the very least, throw us a frickin bone and fire bucky and smith... wont fix anything but at least we will know there is a pulse

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#76 Neal
November 03 2013, 02:31PM
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The worst part is that if 6 Rings actually did get fired, nothing would change any quicker that it would change anyway. The damage he did was assembling the wrong parts together over several years to create the sh*tshow we have now. If Mac is a magician, we trade 3 of the smaller soft danglers, but by the time you do this and get a halfway decent return, this year is gone. Lowe's public hanging would really only provide satisfaction...

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#77 Dangilitis
November 03 2013, 02:34PM
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Lowetide wrote:

GREAT post. Excellent points all.

Your first point is correct and I've wondered it too, the second one (imo) speaks to some PR damage that remains (and will remain until something is done) by the arena negotiation.

The Katz Group will need to repair it.

prudham,

The EIG admitted that things were looking up for the ownership group at the time of the sale, but still were unstable and likely unsustainable.

Katz doesn't deserve the credit for saving the team like EIG, but he has been an important reason why the Oilers have, in principle, an agreement to stay in Edmonton for decades.

You can bitch and moan about how he did it (and yes, the PR was a mess), but he accomplished what he wanted, and that was stability for the franchise and a sustainable arena concurrent with the promotion of downtown development. I don't believe the taxpayer costs are justified, but Edmontonians deserve nice things (despite what some self-loathing fans think).

"The problem is that the Oilers really are a beloved institution, and the city deserves someone who actually thinks this too, and is not more motivated by greed than the good of the team/community."

I had to laugh when I saw this, seriously? He is a great philanthropist and had made great contributions to the city. If you donated 7 million dollars to the U of A recently, I will feel foolish, but I'll take my chances are you have not.

I am not on here to defend him as an owner, because the owner's most important role is to ensure accountable, competent team management with all the tools it needs to succeed. He has failed miserably here.

But to suggest it is his greed that is clouding his judgement is one of the most foolish things I have read. What has clouded his judgment is childhood idols from a dynasty franchise that we would all like to return to, himself included. If he was greedy, he never would have bought the damn franchise he would have plugged that money into another few Rexall pharmacies, and I can bet he would have made a lot more money this way and with a lot less grief from the citizens of a city that gave him his upbringing, education, and career, and who, for some reason, whom he feels indebted to. At this point, frankly, if Seattle wants this team, be my guest.

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#78 Jordan
November 03 2013, 02:50PM
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pkam wrote:

I am sick of hearing the 2-tier fans comment from Lowe.

I am a 2nd tier fan according to Lowe's comment. And in my opinion, Lowe is doing the right thing.

Can you imagine those season ticket holders spending thousands of hard earn money, and in 41 night per year, spend 3 hrs per night sitting in the rink, $10 a beer and $8 a hotdog, plus lining up for 30 minutes to get into the parking and another 30 minutes to get out of the parking, to watch this terrible performance. Don't you think they deserve some special recognition from the management?

https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/edmonton-oilers-managment-group-darryl-katz-enforce-their-message-of-accountability-and-hold-kevin-lowe-responsible-for-this-debacle-of-a-season-either-resigning-or-fired#share

Sign the petition for Lowe to be held accountable and ripped from the top and fed to the masses( fans). Share with your friends! Change can be started by all of us !

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#79 DimebagDave
November 03 2013, 02:54PM
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You remember that scene in Moneyball when after another A's loss, Giambi is dancing on the table and everyone is having a good time. Then Billy Beane comes in, smashes the stereo and questions him if losing is fun.

I notice alot of the oilers smiling and joking around on the bench while watching the games on tv (tier 2 fan here). This isn't novice hockey where having fun is the goal. These are profesional millionaires who seem to be having fun losing.

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#80 Curcro
November 03 2013, 03:05PM
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D wrote:

Yes we are where we were 4 years ago, but with additional high end talent in the way of Hall, RNH, Yak, and Eberle. Most of this talent would not have been available to the Oilers without major suckitude over the last several years.

What I am saying is that rather than blowing up the core as some posters here would suggest, recognize instead that this organization has been rotting for two decades and that a blow-up now will yield another generation of bottom dwelling.

If as DSF pointed out, this team needs a big #2 center, two top pairing defenders, and above average goaltending, try to address those issues and get this team into Nashville territory before aiming for Chicago territory.

That to me is how you reverse 20 years of ineptitude.

The reality is that the Oilers only need one of those things.

Top Pairing Defenders. That would calm down things in the D Zone, would mean the forwards had the puck more.

Dubnyk is roughly equivalent to Crawford (career .914 SvP).

The forward group except for the fourth line is actually reasonably good but they have been torched by injury.

As a team the Oilers look really tight right now, afraid to make a mistake.

They have Florida and Philadelphia two sucky teams on this trip. They need need need to win those games.

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#81 DSF
November 03 2013, 03:52PM
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Curcro wrote:

The reality is that the Oilers only need one of those things.

Top Pairing Defenders. That would calm down things in the D Zone, would mean the forwards had the puck more.

Dubnyk is roughly equivalent to Crawford (career .914 SvP).

The forward group except for the fourth line is actually reasonably good but they have been torched by injury.

As a team the Oilers look really tight right now, afraid to make a mistake.

They have Florida and Philadelphia two sucky teams on this trip. They need need need to win those games.

The top 6 is nowhere near good enough against the big teams in the WC.

Also, if your team is below average defensively, which they still would be with small skilled forwards, you'd better have ABOVE average goaltending.

.911 (and dropping) won't cut it.

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#82 i blow klow aka oilers owner
November 03 2013, 04:40PM
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everyone calm down please. everything is fine kevin told me he's making all the right moves. any way i've got to go make kevin a sandwich, he deserves it (he's won six stanly cups you know). just remember kevin has all the anawers, i just do what he tells me. thanks daryl

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#83 DSF
November 03 2013, 04:49PM
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David S wrote:

Firing Lowe will have ZERO effect on the on-ice product. What part of this simple fact do you not get?

The fact is that by tanking we purposely got rid of good players and replaced them with lesser, inferior versions. After multiple years of doing so we get what we're seeing. Underdeveloped D, inferior 3-4 lines and backup goalies masquerading as starters. But hey - three first picks!

You hate Lowe and I get that. But turning this team around from the damage done by tanking isn't going to happen by Lowe's dismissal. I'm pretty sure both MacT and Lowe know this too.

You want to blame someone, start at Katz. He authorized the tank job and he's keeping Lowe around, which tells me he and Lowe are seeing pretty much what they expected.

The team is where it is because they're trying to overcompensate for injuries and the unbalanced team that's resulted. Everybody is overtrying. Compound that with having far too many players who never learned defensive play because they had the puck on their sticks their entire junior careers and we get veteran teams running our show by pressuring our D corps night in and night out.

As a group they're exhausted because Eakins is overplaying the first two lines to compensate for the injuries. He'll never admit it but I'm sure he knows he's running his horses into the ground because we don't have the depth to pick up the slack.

So please. Enlighten me as to how firing Lowe is going to fix any of this.

Firing Lowe and bringing in a competent Hockey Operations Manager would be the first step toward rooting out the failure and cronyism that infects the franchise. (see Joe Sakic in Colorado for reference)

Given what we've seen this far, I doubt MacT or Eakins would survive for long if they didn't produce results.

As for your assertion that The Oilers forwards are "exhausted" please note that the top 4 forwards for TOI/G are Ryan Kesler (8 goals 12 points), Henrik Sedin (3G 19P), Sidney Crosby(8G 23P) and Daniel Sedin (7G 16P).

Oddly, none of them are exhausted and are producing at a great rate despite being older.

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#84 Serious Gord
November 03 2013, 05:24PM
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David S wrote:

http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/11/nadirs-raiders.html

No. YOU'RE welcome.

Not sure what I should be welcome for.

As I understand the column linked to - Lowetide has a far more acidic attitude towards oiler management on his own blog than he does here or on the radio.

Yet he still refrains from saying Lowe should be fired.

Odd.

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#85 Quicksilver ballet
November 03 2013, 06:16PM
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ubermiguel wrote:

Ference didn't name names but he talked about guys that weren't "self-motivated" to do the little things necessary to improve and win. Names! We want names! Trade them, waive them, or just leave them on the side of the road.

Notice how he had to pause to formulate a lie...errr...response to the question about the Oilers being a losing culture? It's worse than I thought. Cancers in the room need to be cut out. If that means chopping off one of the Fab 5, then so be it.

What if it isn't just one of the fab 5, what if it's 2 or 3? I'm inclined to believe this may be closer to the real number. Andrew didn't name names, but we sure know it's those getting the majority of the minutes every night.

Good luck trying to find guys/value to come back this way in a trade(s) if this were to occur.

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#86 Greg
November 03 2013, 08:07PM
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if the oilers are going to continue to put sh*t product on the ice. the least the can do for fans at start putting the octane girls in some sexy ass clothes. like come on! look around the at all the other ice girls in the league. some of them look so sexy a feel a mild anxiety attack coming on when i see them. with the way they dress the octane, i barely get a 1/4 chub. just sayin...

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#87 Walter Sobchak
November 03 2013, 08:40PM
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DSF wrote:

Calgary hangs around and wins 3-2 in OT.

Now that's a coach that gets his players to go the extra mile! Nothing fancy & doesn't try to re-invent the game.

Too bad the Oilers couldn't trade up for Monahan, kids a Getzlaf clone.

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#88 I am the Liquor
November 03 2013, 11:28PM
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David S wrote:

As I understand it, his basic premise is that Katz is not dedicated to winning. Until he is firing any senior management is pointless. Lowe is executing exactly as Katz wants. Why? I don't know but it would make for a helluva story.

I dont doubt that Katz is part of the problem. Are you suggesting that the intentional tank strategy was solely a Katz initiative? Possible I suppose. It still doesnt explain why a fiery competitor like Lowe would go against his better judgement and "just follow orders".

That doesnt make much sense to me. Seems more like something someone who is defending him would come up with as a quasi-plausible defense.

Be that as it may, none of that explains the various gaffes and odd/embarrassing behavior from Mr Six Rings over the years. The Comrie/Burke fiasco's as well as the recent two tier fan nonsense. This guy believes his own hype. His arrogance knows no bounds and it colours everything he does. Seems his arrogance is only matched by Katz himself.

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#90 Jay Gray
November 03 2013, 12:51PM
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I really think this is a low point in franchise history.

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#91 Kevin Lowe
November 03 2013, 12:55PM
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I am sure there is a perfectly reasonable solution that only an Ex-Oiler with not Hockey Business or Administration skills can fix.

Start bringing merit based positions into the origination and things will change in time.

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#92 Wax Man Riley
November 03 2013, 01:32PM
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PutzStew wrote:

"The Edmonton Oilers (MacT as GM edition) are 3-10-2 fifteen games in, and OilersNation has gone from anger to real disillusionment. Up next for the fanbase is indifference, but before they get there is there anything the GM can do?"

LMAO

Disillisionment = Lowetide

1) MacT is in over his head and was not the right man for the job. If he was then he would have made sure that he had enough NHL player to start the season with, never mind injuries. Never mind all the other crap he said, He started the season with One NHL caliber center. That was the beginning of the end right there. And a smart Hockey man would have never said Horcoff should be on the 2010 olympic team. That was one of the stupidest hockey moments ever.

2) Klowe should have been fired as soon as his comments about "stanley cup rings" and "2 tiered fans". Seriously could you image Scotty Bowman saying something so pathetic?

3) Katz is going to make Pocklington look like an angel. You folks got screwed badly with the arena deal.

4) Hall, RNH, Yak, Gagner, ETC are all good hockey players and should be in the NHL. But as Lindy Ruff and Ken Hitchcock made clear last spring, none of them know how to play as a team. This is an organizational issue. It isn't knew either. As I asked a couple blogs ago, How good would Hemsky actually have been if he was brought up in a good system.

5) No successful team would start the season with Smyth on the first line. In fact no good team would even have Smyth on the rosters. Why? BECAUSE HE CAN"T PLAY ANYMORE. Enough said.

So to you Mr. Allen. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You want to choose to support a pathetic team like the Oilers, then I will enjoy laughing my arse off at you and the other like you. You want to waste you time and money supporting a organization that doesn't deserve it then I will enjoy making fun of your misery. So again to you sir……BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! SUCKER!!!!

PS are you ready to give up yet and start demanding change from these losers or are you going to continue with your false hope.

PPS BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. shut out in 2 games straight. I love it. Lossers.

Yep.... The Oilers are a terrible team.

Personal attacks though? Way to go internet tough guy.

You too are a "losser."

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#93 The Real Gongshow.
November 03 2013, 01:35PM
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@Dan 1919

This is a list cause but, here goes. The above listed players have stopped trying, 15 games into the season. We work hard in this city. I would trade away them all for a team that gives us everything they've got on a nightly basis. The so called Young Guns have listened to the soft media in this town hype them up to a status not even closely deserved. You could play post game comments from one of any of the games played in the last 5 years. It all the same. How about that Yakupov ?!? Can we but out a guy still on an ELC ? When did Nuge start playing with a wet noodle instead of a stick... Finish a Bloody check !!! Somebody!!! Anybody !!!

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#94 RC
November 03 2013, 01:44PM
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This is by far the most disappointing, embarrassing start to a season ever. Everyone, wear your paper bags next home game!

Someone needs to ask the players: Why aren't they hitting or shooting? Why do they always pass when they've got the slot open to shoot? Why is no one paying a price in front of the net? Where's the passion?! Where's the effort?!

If you're scared to lose, don't play the game...

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#95 rob
November 03 2013, 02:29PM
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If Klowe had a set of balls he would quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#96 John Kirsch
November 03 2013, 02:31PM
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Spydyr wrote:

This team has no heart, grit, passion, will to win. A bunch of soft, small, skill boys in a mans(NHL)game.

Agreed.

The Oilers have too many of the same type of forwards (see above) and have no real 1-2-3 D-men. This is what happens when you use too many of your high draft picks on pure offensive players and are unable to develop/recruit top end 3-4th liners. I am not ready to fire Mac or Dallas but for Lowe it is time to go.

In my opinion the Oil need to unload (any or all) Gagne, Hems, and or Hopkins at some point- none of these players impress me.

In terms of injuries every good team has them and finds a way to win without key players.

Bill Parcells famously said "you are what your record says you are...".

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#97 andrewmk20
November 03 2013, 02:48PM
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I heard on the 630 ched after show about sacrificing Kevin Lowe to appease the hockey gods and I think it's a great idea because this team seems cursed. In the first two weeks the team played fairly well and got abysmal goaltending. Then Dubnyk started to come out of his bad stretch and injuries started to pile up so the forward depth very weak. The man games lost are about three times the amount of Calgary's and they have some key injuries as well. I mean the entire LW depth is injured from 1 to 4. Hall, Perron, Joensuu, and Smyth. I don't think I've ever seen that happen. This is much like the 06-07 Flyers season in that everything is going wrong for this club. Unfortunately it's happening after about 7 miserable years of losing and being fairly pathetic from a competitive standpoint. But the fans can either suck it up or walk away. I'm not going to watch every game like I have the last 7 years because it's getting way too painful but I'm not going to lie and say that I won't follow this team anymore or cheer for it.

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#98 Turnover
November 03 2013, 02:57PM
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So, there is/was a plan?

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#99 2004Z06
November 03 2013, 03:29PM
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What was the attendance for last nights game? Oh yeah, another sellout. That'll teach em!

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#100 Serious Gord
November 03 2013, 03:50PM
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Of all the bloggers and journos Lowetide is the most pollyannish of the bunch. And consistently so.

Until this post.

Yet he conspicuously ignores the elephant in the room:

Kevin Lowe.

A commenter further up urged patience (what were we doing the last seven years!!)

Another rebutted that if Lowe is fired we fans would grant the organization our patience.

He is absolutely correct.

Trades, coach firings won't do it. Lowes removal will.

It's Katz' choice.

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