THE PLAN IS ON FIRE

Lowetide
November 03 2013 12:32PM

The Edmonton Oilers (MacT as GM edition) are 3-10-2 fifteen games in, and OilersNation has gone from anger to real disillusionment. Up next for the fanbase is indifference, but before they get there is there anything the GM can do?

 

  • Darcy Regier: "These GM jobs, they're good jobs. But waiting for a GM opportunity that's structured for success? I'm not sure it exists. When I was assessing the problems in Buffalo before I joined, Al Arbour said to me "Darcy, do you think there would be an opportunity there if there weren't problems? Go in there and do something about it.'" (from the book Behind the Moves).

I'm sure Craig MacTavish knew there were problems (he was part of the organization before agreeing to the job in spring) but there are elements out of the control of the GM that have (at least to this point) conspired against him. His new coach has gone from being seen as confident, fresh and relentless to another in a ever lengthening line of failed coaching hires in Edmonton.

His club has been rocked by injuries (two more last night, and as Robin Brownlee tweeted that Belov injury looked bad) goaltending maladies and confidence issues. I haven't seen locusts, but haven't been looking either.

It's a team in a bad way.

WHAT CAN THEY DO?

As the playoff hopes unhook and release (November 3rd!!!!) there's a sense that the club should do something--anything--to improve things. There are options:

  1. FIRE SOMEONE! Age old solution, find some poor schmuck who was in the room at the time. Candidates often include assistant coaches, pro scouts, the guy who brings the towels and people with one eyebrow. It usually doesn't help.
  2. HIRE SOMEONE! Oilers have already hired Messier, we just don't know what he's going to be doing.
  3. TRADE SOMEONE! Good idea, but you can go from 'we can't trade that guy' to 'no one wants our crap' in a heartbeat and the reality is that it's really early for a significant deal. Besides, the Oilers have traded Mike Brown which means they've used their "Steve Tambellini trade chips mid-season" allotment.
  4. CALL SOMEONE UP! They could call Omark, but I suspect he's broken his phone.

THIS IS GOING TO END BADLY

Probably. However, there's very little that can be done about things as they stand today. Firing the coach would be crazy, trading players when you haven't actually seen your entire team healthy is equally addled and despite being 3-10-2 after fifteen games you could make a case that with goaltending and better luck they could be 6-7-2.

That may sound like sunshine, and hell maybe it is, but from here there's not a lot going on here that some timely goaltending, a better penalty kill and better health can't fix.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The plan is on fire, the season is gone, but there's still a chance to get something out of it. Fix the PK, find useful 6's and 7's and 9's for the 3line with Gordon and the 4line overall. Get Yakupov scoring, get everyone else healthy, find a way to finish above Calgary and then work like buggers next summer to make certain that 2014-15 is the year we see a second season.

Sound horrible? It is. It's also the truth.

Or the owner can fire everyone again.

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#101 Quicksilver ballet
November 03 2013, 03:53PM
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Bad news is still news.

Look at all the passion on display here the past couple weeks. We could almost host a rumble in LT's back yard.

If we wait till the end of this upcoming roadtrip. we could hold it at Gregors farm instead.

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#102 Oil Fan
November 03 2013, 05:43PM
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David S wrote:

http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/11/nadirs-raiders.html

No. YOU'RE welcome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Wirtz

Props given to Serious Gord

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#103 LoweBlow
November 03 2013, 06:19PM
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D wrote:

Watching the Chicago game. It's interesting to see the difference in compete levels between the Flames and the Oilers.

No big egos in that Calgary lineup. Aside from management, I think the Oil have some egos on their roster that think they're too good to listen to the coach.

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#104 Not serious
November 03 2013, 06:21PM
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Put the Boys on the Bus and run it over a cliff.

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#105 DSF
November 03 2013, 06:25PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

I'm going to point out the obvious irony in stating that the Avs hiring Sakic (and Roy) is rooting out cronyism.

The difference could be that both Roy and Sakic were difference makers on the Stanley teams. Lowe and MacT were..... there.

The difference is that Sakic doesn't have the stink of a decade of failure on him and that Roy has actually won something as a coach.

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#106 LoweBlow
November 03 2013, 06:33PM
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I'm in the market for a new team to cheer for. Any suggestions? They don't have to be a SC favourite, just a dominant, hard-working team.

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#107 DSF
November 03 2013, 06:47PM
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D wrote:

Even when the Hawks had Calgary hemmed up in the early second period, the Flames were blocking shots and blocking lanes. Interesting - first time I really watched the Flames this season, but they really hustle.

Yeah.

Way overmatched in talent but they never quit.

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#108 seanjohn667
November 03 2013, 06:57PM
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David S wrote:

Firing Lowe will have ZERO effect on the on-ice product. What part of this simple fact do you not get?

The fact is that by tanking we purposely got rid of good players and replaced them with lesser, inferior versions. After multiple years of doing so we get what we're seeing. Underdeveloped D, inferior 3-4 lines and backup goalies masquerading as starters. But hey - three first picks!

You hate Lowe and I get that. But turning this team around from the damage done by tanking isn't going to happen by Lowe's dismissal. I'm pretty sure both MacT and Lowe know this too.

You want to blame someone, start at Katz. He authorized the tank job and he's keeping Lowe around, which tells me he and Lowe are seeing pretty much what they expected.

The team is where it is because they're trying to overcompensate for injuries and the unbalanced team that's resulted. Everybody is overtrying. Compound that with having far too many players who never learned defensive play because they had the puck on their sticks their entire junior careers and we get veteran teams running our show by pressuring our D corps night in and night out.

As a group they're exhausted because Eakins is overplaying the first two lines to compensate for the injuries. He'll never admit it but I'm sure he knows he's running his horses into the ground because we don't have the depth to pick up the slack.

So please. Enlighten me as to how firing Lowe is going to fix any of this.

about the only improvement on the ice would be

1. Firing Lowe will may go a long ways in improving the franchise's reputation in the eyes of FAs.

but, from a business standpoint

a) it is possible we will start to see empty seats this season, and a drop in season ticket sales next season. Lowe would deserve a firing for this reason alone.

b) the fans want someone's head, and it's Lowe's turn. I, for one, will be unimpressed if he isn't fired, and impress by Katz if he is.

btw, that now makes two consecutive games in which I have not watch a single second.

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#109 DSF
November 03 2013, 07:12PM
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Smokey wrote:

Someone commented on Joe Sakic and Patrick Roy were difference makers on Stanley Cup teams whereas Lowe and MacT were just there.

Hmmm....Now you could say that about MacT I guess. He was only one of the top 3rd line centers in the NHL, and maybe one of the top 3 penalty killers in the league for a few years, He was easily the Oilers best defensive forward, and top 5 defensive forwards in the NH in his prime.

Lowe was only an all-star for 7 years and played on Team Canada in 1984. Lowe has garnered consideration for the hockey hall of fame, and will get his number retired some day in Edmonton. Kevin Lowe may be the second best Oilers defenceman after Coffey, and thats if you don't include Pronger.

All that is true but Lowe has been an abysmal failure as A GM and as a hockey ops guy.

MacT failed as a coach despite one magical run.

Sakic and Roy not only have better playing resumes but also don't have a track record of failure.

No guarantee that won't happen but the results are pretty good so far.

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#110 cubsfan
November 03 2013, 08:04PM
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@Lars Eller

and the flames missing their captain.....and still competative

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#111 Dog Train
November 03 2013, 08:52PM
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We're long past blaming the goaltending or an unlucky bounce. Over the past few games the Oilers flat out look like a team that has given up on life.

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#112 Anthony
November 03 2013, 08:54PM
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@Lowetide

When we would not give Curtis glen cross a contract, just let a character player walk, I felt we were in trouble

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#113 David S
November 03 2013, 08:59PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Not sure what I should be welcome for.

As I understand the column linked to - Lowetide has a far more acidic attitude towards oiler management on his own blog than he does here or on the radio.

Yet he still refrains from saying Lowe should be fired.

Odd.

As I understand it, his basic premise is that Katz is not dedicated to winning. Until he is firing any senior management is pointless. Lowe is executing exactly as Katz wants. Why? I don't know but it would make for a helluva story.

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#114 Oiler Al
November 03 2013, 09:00PM
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It would appear that the coach has lost the room. How else do you explain the effort and results... Zero goals in the last two games, out shot 9-0.You cannot have 22 players all have an off game on the same two or three games.

It appears no veteran leadership is present.Why?Who are the would be vet. leaders... Hemsky, no, SMid no, Smyth, not playing, Jones.. giving all hes got which is really not that much, Petry.. no... Ference and Gordon new to the room.. Although Ference is the captain... might be a backlash from the Clique ...for Hall not getting the C.

May sound silly, and probably is, but how else do you explain this total collapse of an NHL team... there is more to this than Fire Lowe, and injured players.

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#115 madjam
November 03 2013, 10:22PM
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Lowetide : Any chance you can get Kreuger on your show and ask him what he would do to correct the mess we are in . Would be nice to get his assessment of our personnel as well Thirdly , would he be interested in coming back and coaching the team again .

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#116 spliff
November 04 2013, 12:21AM
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Who thinks the Oiler players are worried about being traded? If I was a player on the sh*tshow of a team I would welcome a trade, even if it meant taking on a lesser role.

If say, Eberle, was traded, does anyone think he would be bummed out by that?

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#117 DoubleDIon
November 04 2013, 02:08AM
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You guys need 200 foot players plain and simple. I'm a Flames fan and have been saying for a couple of years now that Iginla was creating a selfish culture. Killed me to say it, because at one point he epitomized a 200 foot player. He didn't anymore for his last three years in Calgary and the team competes much harder without him setting the example.

Like any work environment one lazy bum can make the rest resentful and less productive. The Oilers have a few selfish players that stand out. Start by moving those guys for team needs since they have value. Yakupov and Eberle are the guys I'd start with. Move one of them and another asset for a top pairing defenseman. Then move the other with Gagner for a big top 6 centerman with a good 2 way game. If the goaltending still sucks afterwards then fix that in the offseason.

I know Hall and Nuge have their flaws, but they both battle hard and give it 100%. If Nuge can get stronger before his body breaks down he could be a good two-way centerman. If Hall can stay healthy and play with guys who actually battle in the offensive zone I could see him being a top 10 scorer and deadly on the forecheck.

Schultz is not a tough minutes defender. He needs softer minutes. Play him on the third pairing with lots of PP time.

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#118 camdog
November 04 2013, 08:16AM
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Spydyr wrote:

And for all the Lowe lovers. Losing Glencross is on Lowe.

I still remember Mact saying it was no big deal when we lost Glencross as those type of players were easy to replace, sort of like a dime or something. Anybody remember the quote?

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#120 Neal
November 03 2013, 12:45PM
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How about implementing Home Game System Play:

1) PVR it 2) Down by 1 - Play and Pray 3) Down by 2 - Fast Forward to (maybe)Oil goal 4) Down by 3 - Max Fast Forward 5) Down by 4 - Turn off. Wonder why you bought the f@#$%^& Mini Pack anyway.

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#121 Thinker
November 03 2013, 01:02PM
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Soneone call the oilers and tell them mcdavid isn't elligible until next year.

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#122 fig pucker
November 03 2013, 01:23PM
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here's a concern, anyone posting on this site or off the street could have drivin this team into the ground every the same as kevin lowe at company. if i'm mr. katz iwould be very concerned about the fact that my expert well paid upper managment has run this organization no better than some idiot off the street. katz, just saying, i could have landed the oilers where the are now for way less money than lowe. this is why it's so important to fire upper managment, and through an exaustive search, interviewing many qualified canadates hire the most competent one to be the new president then have him do the same for the gm position. with a fresh set of eyes and an unbiased approach maybe we can get this rebuild back on the rails. mr katz, i understand how you feel about lowe, mactavishand messier, igrew up watching these guys to, but just because rhey can drive a car does not qualify them to build one. after seven years it's prety clear kevin lowe doesn't know how, the results speak for themselves.

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#123 Sammy
November 03 2013, 01:27PM
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If Oilers are serious about winning they will fire Kevin Lowe, Bucky and Smith. Clean house.

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#124 M22
November 03 2013, 01:31PM
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D. Katz,

Thank you.

P. Pocklington

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#125 HeavyChevy
November 03 2013, 01:35PM
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I didn't think I would ever write this but I would like to see Katz hold a press conference announcing the firing of Lowe (maybe others) and the hiring of a Brian Burke type. There is talent on this roster. The pieces just don't fit and a couple are missing. Management are the puzzle builders. Yes injuries are not helping but this culture of losing has gone on for a long time now. It's time to bring in proven NHL management. When they hire unproven/unknown staff and it works, they look like geniuses. After a few attempts and it doesn't work it looks bad. It's time for Katz to put aside his love of the old Oilers and hire someone who's had even some success building an NHL team puzzle. I get it. I love the old Oilers too, but despite Lowe maintaining he know a thing or two about winning, it was from the passenger seat of the Gretzky and Messier driven bus.

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#126 The Real Gongshow
November 03 2013, 01:36PM
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@The Real Gongshow.

Lost cause

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#127 Wow, oh, wow!!
November 03 2013, 01:45PM
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It is scary to think that Hockey Canada still trust Lowe to be a part the Olympic process, although with Canada's talent, it is not like it is a difficult job!! The Oilers dilemma starts and ends with Lowe, Mac T, Bucky, and Smith. The bus is broken down and all the boys have grown up.

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#128 The Real Gongshow
November 03 2013, 01:55PM
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Brian Burke was right all along. K Lowe and his cronies have destroyed this once storied organization.

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#129 exsanguinator
November 03 2013, 01:56PM
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It's a sad day when I have to recommend for the Oil to pull a Darryl Sutter and have MacT come back as coach while still continuing his less than average performance as GM.

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#130 ubermiguel
November 03 2013, 02:00PM
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Ference didn't name names but he talked about guys that weren't "self-motivated" to do the little things necessary to improve and win. Names! We want names! Trade them, waive them, or just leave them on the side of the road.

Notice how he had to pause to formulate a lie...errr...response to the question about the Oilers being a losing culture? It's worse than I thought. Cancers in the room need to be cut out. If that means chopping off one of the Fab 5, then so be it.

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#131 I know the feeling.
November 03 2013, 02:04PM
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Out with the trash wrote: I have been trying to figure out how to best convey how I feel about the current Oilers situation. As a second generation ticket holder I have been attending games since the age of 5. In that time I have seen some highs and lows, but last night I witnessed something else. The passion for this team has turned into apathy. I thought it was bad in the mid 90's when I'd be in the stands with 6000 other fans watching abysmal hockey played by a sub par team. Last night almost 17,000 fans showed up to watch the Oil. Except the Oil didn't show up. I have been as loyal a fan as I could possibly be. But now is the time to cut my losses. It has become painfully obvious that the only thing the Oilers want from me is my money. Well, no more money for you. I am cutting you off. No more driving thru blizzards for games, no more jerseys, hats, nothing. I am washing my hands of this team. I have paid over $300,000 in tickets since the Oilers last playoff game. I bought into the rebuild but this is not a rebuild it is a fleecing. My seats will remain vacant for the remainder of the season and the ticket renewal notice and calls will be left unanswered at years end. The Oilers will undoubtedly fill my seats next year but for the first time in almost 36 years. I don't care. I sincerely hope for the best for the Oilers but I am no longer willing waste my time or throw away money on the garbage product that has been on display since 2007. Ah... Now to get rid of this CoolAide taste left in my mouth.

300K!! nicely done!! I feel your pain on the value analytics of said "investment".

In the words of homer Simpson.. they really are the suckiest bunch of sucks that have ever sucked.

I am shocked that Wanye dry cleaning his jersey didn't turn this thing around.... simply shocked.

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#132 Clarko
November 03 2013, 02:09PM
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"Despite being 3-10-2 after fifteen games you could make a case that with goaltending and better luck they could be 6-7-2.

That may sound like sunshine, and hell maybe it is, but from here there's not a lot going on here that some timely goaltending, a better penalty kill and better health can't fix."

What if we flipped that "optimistic" view around and look at the record with some pessimism. They were losing 3-0 to NJ and after playing brutal for over 40 minutes, they had a miraculous comeback. Beat Ottawa 3-1 (with an empty-netter), but was really outplayed and outshot 36-21. And were pummeled for 65 minutes by the Kings and still managed a loser point.

You could make the argument that this team might be 1-13-1 without some good breaks in the games they actually got points in.

Pretty depressing...

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#133 S cottV
November 03 2013, 02:14PM
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The odds of making the playoffs now are so remote that making some sort of immediate risky trade to look like something is being done - doesn't make sense. The owner really needs to do some soul searching and work toward a new identity and culture for the team. The "sense of entitlement" old guard needs to changed over time, starting with Kevin Lowe. We need someone like a Brian Burke who will hold the entire organization to account from top to bottom - without allegiance to the past. If the rumor is true - Mark Messier in a senior position or any position for that matter - it would be another big mistake. A new VP hockey operations needs to establish the culture and get moving on first stages of implementation this season. We have to accept that the playoffs are out of the question this season - once again. Not so hard - if - there is a sense for a "true" new direction. Short term - MacT probably needs to get on that bench to hopefully stabilize things and perhaps salvage Eakins from having to be outright fired. If the new VP hockey operations believes that MacT and Eakins fit the new culture for next year - then so be it, but - somehow I doubt it would work out that way.

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#134 GS
November 03 2013, 02:20PM
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Spydyr wrote:

This team has no heart, grit, passion, will to win. A bunch of soft, small, skill boys in a mans(NHL)game.

SAD BUT VERY, VERY TRUE!!! The whole league knows it as well!

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#135 rob
November 03 2013, 02:28PM
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Hall,hopkins,perron and gordon stay,everyone else is trade bait!fire lowe asap and get someone with a brain in there,start building for next year,I am sick of waiting but would give one more year if Lowe was GONE!!!!!!!!

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#136 Smokey
November 03 2013, 02:29PM
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I believe Barman will come outta his Batcave in downtown Vancouver sometime to address the second tier fans in his once every four year online address donning his leisure suit. I'm picking sometime in the first two weeks in December. He will continue to defend the incompetence of Mr. 6Rings and the direction of the organization. I think he would be better to promote the backup goalie to GM.

The koolaid is worn off and people are becoming indifferent. Mad or happy is better then "I don't give a Shiznit," because at least people care enough to tune in. Indifferent is new territory. The only way to fix indifferent is cut the head off the snake. KLose was a great player, crappy GM, and terrible president, who's ego and lack of confidance to go and get a real job is what keeps him in a position where track record doesn't lie. His heads been in the clouds so long he lost touch with reality, and he doesn't relate to the regular Joe as we learned this spring.

MacT and Eakins are rookies, and this team is paying for their lack of experience. But ultimately it falls on Kevin. People are indifferent.

Are they still airing Oil Change. I'm scared it will become the longest serving TV show eventually passing Law and Order, The Simpson's, and Married With Children.

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#137 Hammer
November 03 2013, 02:33PM
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L W T 3 10 2 This must be how the Oilers management is thinking.

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#138 rob
November 03 2013, 02:38PM
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GK1980 wrote:

Please everyone be patient

Only if Lowe is gone

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#139 Jordan
November 03 2013, 02:47PM
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https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/edmonton-oilers-managment-group-darryl-katz-enforce-their-message-of-accountability-and-hold-kevin-lowe-responsible-for-this-debacle-of-a-season-either-resigning-or-fired#share sign the petition for Lowe to be held accountable. share with your friends! Sign the petition!

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#140 D
November 03 2013, 03:24PM
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Curcro wrote:

The reality is that the Oilers only need one of those things.

Top Pairing Defenders. That would calm down things in the D Zone, would mean the forwards had the puck more.

Dubnyk is roughly equivalent to Crawford (career .914 SvP).

The forward group except for the fourth line is actually reasonably good but they have been torched by injury.

As a team the Oilers look really tight right now, afraid to make a mistake.

They have Florida and Philadelphia two sucky teams on this trip. They need need need to win those games.

This ^^ is the voice of reason.

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#141 morgie
November 03 2013, 03:26PM
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Lowetide wrote:

GREAT post. Excellent points all.

Your first point is correct and I've wondered it too, the second one (imo) speaks to some PR damage that remains (and will remain until something is done) by the arena negotiation.

The Katz Group will need to repair it.

You mean the kind of PR Klowe displayed this summer :

1. when he described there are two types of fans, paying customers and non paying

2. That if winning is ever a concern Klowe assures us he knows a thing or two about doing it, due to him winning so many cups as a player

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#142 LoweBlow
November 03 2013, 03:29PM
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My the wild speculation by those who didn't watch last nights game. That Oilers team was a complete disgrace. They had no effort, little confidence in Eakins' system and no inclination to engage the opposing team. That was the most disheartening game I've ever watched as an Oiler fan.

There are cancers in this organization. They are in management and on the ice.

I'll promise one thing. Dallas Eakins has not been here long enough to prove whether or not he's competent. All he's done is prove that there are cancers in that dressing room.

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#143 Ryan2
November 03 2013, 03:32PM
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DSF wrote:

Timely goaltending, a better PK and better health would certainly help some but those hardly fix what ails the team.

Even if LT's presumption that the Oilers could be 6-7-2 if those 3 things existed, the Oilers would still be 11th in the WC, barely ahead of Calgary who have 2 games in hand.

And that is with an early schedule against weaker EC teams.

The Oilers record against teams that made the playoffs last season is 2-9-1.

The Oilers record against the WC is 0-3-1.

The issue is, and has been for years, that the Oilers need a big, skilled 2nd line centre, TWO top pairing defensemen and above average goaltending.

MacT addressed NONE of those issues in the offseason just like his predecessor did for half a decade.

If the Vice President in Charge of Remembering the '80's and his hand picked henchman can't see that, nothing much else will matter.

It's pretty easy to say "it's too hard to acquire these players" but take another look at what Burke was able to do in Toronto.

Wow, I am going to sound more pessimistic than DSF here, but............

DSF, I agree with you on needing two top 2 d-men and a big center, along with better goaltending, but that still would not be enough to push the team into the playoffs. They need more size up front across the board, a more functional third line, and at least one PK or other specialist on the 4th line that can take more than 4 minutes per game.

Even if you do all that, they would still missing the biggest thing.....depth. There are some useful recent draft picks in the AHL and juniors that will hopefully be better than bottom pairing/fourth line contributors in two to three years, but that does nothing to help the team today. The lack of development due to weak drafting (the curse of 2003) and not having a farm team in the early 2000s is crippling the team now. Add in the fact that management dumped the few young depth prospects (e.g. Stoll, Brodziak, Mean Matt Greene) that were developed and are contributing elsewhere in the league, and you can see why the depth is as thin as it is.

As a fan, I hope I am wrong, but last year I was arguing with friends/family/co-workers that the organization was still three years away from the playoffs and this year is basically showing that. The biggest mistake MacT made when he came in was promising bold moves and turning everything around instead of taking the traditional GM gimme of assessing the current roster in year one, slowly disassembling it in years one and two for a noticeable change in year 3. He was too busy trying to placate the fans instead of being realistic about the situation. If MacT had actually paid attention in his MBA classes (I have one as well), or been as smart a hockey man as the organization and media claim, he would have taken a different approach. Yet another rookie mistake in a long list of them, including dumping a head coach that actually accomplished two things that the previous failures had not even without a full training camp to implement his system: 1) drastic improvements in PK and PP, and 2) play meaningful games later in the season. Unfortunately, just like in most of the post-lockout MacT, Quinn and Renney years, it looks like the team will be done by Christmas yet again.

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#144 Ryan2
November 03 2013, 03:37PM
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LoweBlow wrote:

My the wild speculation by those who didn't watch last nights game. That Oilers team was a complete disgrace. They had no effort, little confidence in Eakins' system and no inclination to engage the opposing team. That was the most disheartening game I've ever watched as an Oiler fan.

There are cancers in this organization. They are in management and on the ice.

I'll promise one thing. Dallas Eakins has not been here long enough to prove whether or not he's competent. All he's done is prove that there are cancers in that dressing room.

We will agree to disagree re: Eakins - it is clear his system does not work. Look at how easily the Wings beat it with fast and accurate puck movement for great chances in the slot. I am coaching my son's Tier 2 Novice team and even at that level the results are the same - if we "swarm" in the d-zone the other team usually gets a good scoring chance (and vice versa). If my Novice kids can recognize the mistake when you ask them to explain it on the bench, then I am sure NHLers can as well.

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#145 LoweBlow
November 03 2013, 03:37PM
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prudham's wrote:

Your article is a correct assessment as far as I can tell. I'll throw in two peripheral points:

1. Wasn't the Oilers power play last year really good? Did they try to change to he Eakins way this year? If so, why not revert back to last year's PP system tout de suit? They still have two coaches that know it.

2. My anecdotal, but constant observation about organizations of any kind is that everything is affected by the top. This is not an original idea, but every aspect of a company is eventually suffused in ways subtle and overt by the topmost human element. D. Katz: Pressured the EIG into selling, using his love for the city and team as a talking point / went off to Quebec city in order to imply the team was not secure in Edmonton so he could gain leverage / went off Seattle to do the same thing / made secondary purely selfish demands after an agreement that was favorable to him had been made on the arena / then made extra threats based on that situation I believe.

The problem is that the Oilers really are a beloved institution, and the city deserves someone who actually thinks this too, and is not more motivated by greed than the good of the team/community. He doesn't deserve to own the Oilers, and I wish I heard more people strongly suggesting to him that he should sell to a better element.

To those that missed it, read this. Remember how much ownership/management has shown how much they appreciate us. Speculation aside, let's remember what in fact they've truly 'done'.

They've ran the team into the ground, and kept it there. They've threatened to move the team if the arena deal isn't sweet enough for their pockets. They've called all of us fans that 'aren't paying customers' irrelevant.

I'll always look back to the glory days with fond memories but that won't blind me from seeing the obscenity that is this organization of the last 20 years is. I'm already indifferent after last night's performance.

Like any breakup, the key is to accept it & move on.

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#146 hallthetime
November 03 2013, 03:38PM
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The stick guys from oil change look like they can push some guys around, ice them next game.

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#147 fig pucker
November 03 2013, 03:42PM
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Lowetide wrote:

No, I mean the exact opposite of that. :-)

you really belive that egomaniac is capable of that? if he had any humility or the best intrest of the team and fans at heart he'd graciously step down, but alas his ego won't allow him to see fault in himself, they'll fire eatkins and make him the patsy. (next year will be just the same)

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#148 Spoils
November 03 2013, 03:43PM
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K_Mart wrote:

So our entire left wing position is gone. Hall,Perron,Joensuu,Smyth

Macintyre and Pitlick being out doesn't help either.

Justin Schultz and Belov are out.

Dubnyk is out.

Before that, Nuge, Gags, Grebs, Potter, and Hamilton were all injured.

Grebs, Potter, Hamilton, and Macintyre are the only injuries that aren't significant.

Not only are we leading the league in man games lost due to injury, almost all of ours have been to significant pieces. This is far from our only problem, but is almost certainly the biggest one this year.

The healthiest team in the league, Colorado, seems to be fine.

Pitt, Detroit, and Anaheim are up there in man games lost, but haven't lost any significant time from major players.

then add the goalie slump, the heavy road schedule to start, and the new systems.

oh and the curse.

there is a curse right? there's no curse on the team?

hmmm...

OK I'll admit it, I am at a total loss.

Looking forward to an out of the blue turnaround beginning next game without reason.

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#149 Nimrod
November 03 2013, 03:54PM
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The fish rots from the head down. As long as you have the most arrogant man in hockey as the president nothing will change.

But since he's friendly with the owner, he doesn't have to worry about a thing. A team that's not placed higher than 12th in the overall standings since he took over a dozen years ago. A team that's missed the playoffs seven years in a row. A team that had the first overall pick three years in a row. He's untouchable and he knows it.

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#150 Spydyr
November 03 2013, 04:29PM
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GK1980 wrote:

Please everyone be patient

Should we patient for another eight years.Till it is sixteen years outside the playoffs?

Enough is enough.Something is not working in the management of the team from the owner on down.The truly sad part is I cannot see it being fixed anytime soon.

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