ETA NURSE!

Lowetide
November 30 2013 12:49PM

The Edmonton Oilers selected Darnell Nurse this summer in the entry draft, and then sent him out to junior after a strong showing in training camp. Nurse looks like the real deal—defense first, rugged player, a mean streak and he can move the puck—but it's going to take some time before he gets to the NHL and then even longer to be helping the team win games. With the Taylor Hall/Jordan Eberle payday contracts kicking in this season, what is the window for this group? How long do they have to wait for that complete defenseman? Is it worth waiting?

SOME COMPARABLES

I've chosen two defensemen we can compare in terms of outer marker, they aren't perfect but give us an idea about how this might go with Nurse in the next few seasons.

  • Duncan Keith: Drafted 2002, he turned pro in 2004 and played two full seasons in the minor leagues. Chicago brought him to the NHL in 2005-06 and he played big minutes immediately (led the Hawks in TOI as a rookie). At that time, the Blackhawks had a group of veterans (Spacek, Aucoin) to mentor the kids (Keith, Seabrook, Byfgluien) and Keith was thrown into the deep end at 22-years old. Based on the numbers available, it looks like he struggled in year one, improved smartly year two and then at 24 became Duncan Keith.
  • Alex Pietrangelo: Drafted 2008, he got two looks at 18 and 19 (remember Nurse almost got a look this past season, and may get some games next fall) before finally making the NHL at age 20. Again, Pietrangelo was close to leading the club in TOI and as with Duncan Keith Pietrangelo was surrounded by veterans (St. Louis stapled the rookie to veteran Barret Jackman). He was an outstanding rookie and has been a quality player for the Blues early in his career.

Representing the idea of bringing Nurse to the NHL next fall, we have Exhibit "B" below. Since 2006-07, there have been 12 teenagers who have played 50 or more games in the NHL during their rookie year:

From these dozen players who were good enough to land an NHL job, I'd say at least six of them can reasonably be described as having struggled in the following seasons (Myers, Del Zotto, Fowler, Schenn, Johnson, Larsson). Now, your mileage may vary, you might include more or less or exclude some I've mentioned, but it does appear there's a 50% (or more) chance an NHL team is welcoming growing pains (and retarded development) by going this route.

Fair?

TRADE FOR BLUE

Which brings us back to trading for a defenseman. If the Oilers wait for Nurse, and do it the right way, they could be looking (using the Keith example) at 2017-18 for a strong NHL defenseman wearing Nurse's number. That'll coincide with the final three seasons of the current Taylor Hall deal.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers don't have a better prospect than Nurse in their system and they don't have anyone with a complete skill set on the NHL roster. They're going to have to procure this talent via free agency or trade.

Coming in December: the candidates.

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#1 They're $hittie
November 30 2013, 12:53PM
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Its your turn, if you wanna fist hit the props, if you hate the fist trash it.

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I am trashing it myself even though I actually played along with the game.

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#3 RexHolez
November 30 2013, 08:32PM
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Can't wait til Nurse and Ekblad develop. By that time we'll be able to trade old Hall, RNH, eberle and yakupov to get younger skill up front! This rebuild sucks!

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#4 Todd
November 30 2013, 04:34PM
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I laugh how everyone says we should trade Hemsky and Gagner to fix all the problems... sigh.... Maybe we can throw in Omark to sweaten the pot?

While I have nothing but contempt for Tambo, I can't really blame him for the timing problem. The fact is, its mainly out of control. Chicago got lucky with their dmen coming 5 years before winning the draft lottery from 26th place to get Kane. You can't plan that. The same people crying about how we drafted players in the wrong order are the ones who would be crying X 100 if we hadn't drafted BPA. Unfortunately its how the chips fell the years we had #1 overall.

I don't understand fans innate need to blame someone. Its like it makes everyone feel better to lay blame somewhere and then cry about it.

Anyways, I think the point Lowetide was trying to make, and one I agree with is that moving forward this team is going to need to trade/acquire in order to address the D need. We can't wait for Klefbom/Nurse, and they aren't 100% for sure anyway.

Personally I'd look at trading our 1st rounder (this year & next year), Eberle and Klefbom and possibly Yak. I don't WANT to trade any of those. But please, for the love... don't start saying we should trade Omark, Gagner or Hemsky for Weber. If we get a stud, its going to cost a studly price (unless somehow MacT can pull a Lowe and trade Eric Brewer for Pronger part II)

Its going to be painful getting the help we need at the right timing.... Eventually something big is going to have to leave. I hope dangling our future draft picks is enough to get it done, because personally I don't want trade any of the current youth core. But if the option is doing nothing and waiting for 5 years for Nurse to develop I'd rather MacT does something, even though I know it'll hurt.

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#6 BC BOY
November 30 2013, 02:32PM
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if only klefbom and nurse were drafted 3-4 years earlier. Gotta think Chicago lucked out by having seabrook and keith already developed by the time kane and toews got drafted

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#7 madjam
November 30 2013, 01:46PM
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Nurse was not even top two pairing in Summit Series For OHL . Maybe he might take longer than anticipated ?

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#10 Dog Train
November 30 2013, 01:06PM
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Dmen take a long time so we should be patient with Nurse. It's hard not to get excited about him long-term, he looks the part of exactly what we need. We did the right thing sending him back to junior and my guess is that he will get some NHL games next fall. We need to stack the deck against him making it next year and if he does crack it, he should be on the third pairing with a reliable veteran. If you factor in Klefbom pushing for a spot next season, I'm not sure you can break both of them in at the same time. Then you add in a guy like Fedun who is close to deserving a regular shot right now and we are awfully green on the back end.

Real NHL dmen please. Preferably two-way types with some edge. It's easier said than done to acquire these pieces but we have plenty of similar forwards and a few D prospects with upside who have some other players to climb over (Marincin). Draft picks should be in play at this point as well.

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#11 Greg the Hammer Valentine
November 30 2013, 02:02PM
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Usually a proper rebuild goes something like: defense-goaltending depth-centers-wings-good coach with experience.

The Oilers rebuild went: wing-center-wing-defense-rookie coach-DOH!!!.

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#12 Stamsky Hemkos
November 30 2013, 08:10PM
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We need him to Nurse this team back to health.

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#13 Quintana
November 30 2013, 01:26PM
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Tank this season, grab ekblad, let klefbom and nurse develop for a couple years.Dump hemsky for a second and trade Samwise and a pick for a veteran top damn...... Oh yeah and sign Belov asap.

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#14 bmac
November 30 2013, 01:15PM
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What can we expect from Klefbom? And when is a reasonable time that he'll make the team full-time?

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#15 2004Z06
December 01 2013, 10:38AM
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Personally the only #1 draft overall I didn't like was Yakupov. Like the kid but we had a chance to draft the best player for need in Galchenyuk. We didn't need another winger at all. Imagine how different this team looks with RNH and Galchenyuk at 1 and 2.

As for tanking yet another season...This idiotic idea is exactly the problem in Edmonton. Celebrating first overalls with draft parties is celebrating losing. I don't care if this team finishes 26th. You have to compete to the bitter end.

There is no reward for losing! You want to change the culture here? The culture needs to be that losing is unacceptable no matter what.

No participation ribbons in the NHL.

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#16 Retsinnab5
November 30 2013, 01:05PM
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Are team is sick and we are in desperate need of a NURSE!

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#17 Lofty
November 30 2013, 01:34PM
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Tambelini screwed up the rebuild by drafting forwards first. KLowe hired him and let it happen. Katz needs to recognize how terrible this organization is doing and act accordingly.

I honestly think that the teams best option now is to trade Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky and J Schultz for a top pair D men and another high end D prospect. If you can get rid of Gagner do it. Keep the 2014 draft pick and take a forward. Next season would still be crap but 2015/2016 should be the beginning of success.

When the rebuild began in 2009 the Oilers had very few assets to leverage for improvement. Now they have assets but the team dynamic is awful. I would bite the bullet make moves to bolster the D and try to time slow D development with faster forward maturation and aim for 2015/2016 as the time to move into a playoff team. Trade the 2016 1st rounder in 2015 to bring in another quality player which will tell the fans this is the end. It would end up being 2 more painful seasons but its better than continuing with this group of floaters.

I also think young players need an emotional coach that gets mad and has an attitude. Eakins emotion reminds me of melba toast. No wonder the boys come out flat 70% of the time.

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#18 S cottV
November 30 2013, 01:39PM
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Yes - cant wait too long with time ticking on the the Eberle, Hall and RNH contracts. Although RNH in training as a 1C and wont be ready to be serious in that role until the 15/16 season - so - some time to acquire a 2C, 1 and 2D in the meantime. Sooner the better but those kind of guys are hard to come by. If the 1D could be Pronger-like in stature maybe Nurse fills in as a quick study in 2D - by 15/16, but best to bring him along slower. MacT needs to make good on his lack of patience and get the team stronger up the middle and in the back end. We dont dominate in the middle on the first two lines and we have no push up and out from legit 1 and 2 d men. So - we play on the wrong side of the red line way too much, in the first two rotations and its pretty hard for high end wingers to finish from there. So - trade some of these wingers, Gagner and some of our depth youth, to fill the 2C, 1D and 2D holes - so - we can get in the game.

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#19 JJ
November 30 2013, 03:01PM
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Oil made a major mistake by drafting impact forwards before having impact defence.. Now they'll have to do the opposite way Chicago did it.

Nurse/Ekblad will be a mighty fine pair in the coming years.. By the time of the draft, all we can hope for is that Gagner is shipped off to Russia and tell him not to come back.

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#20 I Remember the Orange Jerseys
November 30 2013, 03:10PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Trade him or Klefbom......Not because I don't think they will pan out, but because the Oilers have to many holes.

We have to lose some players, skilled forwards or potential defensemen, it's a real pickle to be sure.

Our veterans have no value so this is really the only choice, the Oilers can't expect to wait for this kid to progress into a full time NHLer, not unless they want an infinity build.

Seems like I’ve read here a hundred times, the most likely path to a stud D-man for the Oilers is though the draft. Given that these two have the greatest potential to be that stud, albeit a few years off, wouldn’t it make more sense to trade what we already have too much of (small, skilled forwards) for a 2-4 D-man &/or an upgrade at center? I honestly believe that if we were to trade Nurse (in particular) now, that decision would haunt us from 2015 right on through to 2025.

Like it or not, the only players that have enough trade value to get the Oilers what they currently need, are Eberle, Hall, and RNH. For this team to improve significantly through trade, one of these three would have to go the other way. As RNH is the only center amongst the three, I’d be inclined to take him off that list of available assets. For the right deal, I’d also be willing to let Yak go, but I don’t see him having any significant value (yet).

If he could bring back a reasonable return at center, I’d also be willing to move J. Schultz. I really don’t think he has that much upside. Ten years from now, he’s going to be a guy that’s been a 4-6 D-man on half a dozen different teams that have all given up on him. If Schultz, or Schultz + could get us a 2C, how much would the team really miss his offense? They certainly wouldn’t miss his “defense”.

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#21 josh
November 30 2013, 03:19PM
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I hope they give nurse a year in the ahl first. and there. A full year. maybe with a call up here and there. but id rather him playing big minutes and against ok competition for a year then to play 5-6 pairing minutes and not be building his physicality and really dominate. I wish we would have done this with all of our players since 07

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#22 Craig1981
November 30 2013, 04:10PM
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Lofty wrote:

Tambelini screwed up the rebuild by drafting forwards first. KLowe hired him and let it happen. Katz needs to recognize how terrible this organization is doing and act accordingly.

I honestly think that the teams best option now is to trade Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky and J Schultz for a top pair D men and another high end D prospect. If you can get rid of Gagner do it. Keep the 2014 draft pick and take a forward. Next season would still be crap but 2015/2016 should be the beginning of success.

When the rebuild began in 2009 the Oilers had very few assets to leverage for improvement. Now they have assets but the team dynamic is awful. I would bite the bullet make moves to bolster the D and try to time slow D development with faster forward maturation and aim for 2015/2016 as the time to move into a playoff team. Trade the 2016 1st rounder in 2015 to bring in another quality player which will tell the fans this is the end. It would end up being 2 more painful seasons but its better than continuing with this group of floaters.

I also think young players need an emotional coach that gets mad and has an attitude. Eakins emotion reminds me of melba toast. No wonder the boys come out flat 70% of the time.

"screwed up the rebuild by drafting forwards first"??!!?? So you think we should of passed on our forwards Perron (MPS trade), Hall, and RNH and taken Ellis, Gudbranson, and Larsson?? You really think that we would be in a better spot?

Who from the 2009 roster would you of traded for any quality dmen??? Pisani, Nilsson, Moreau?? I don't think so. HOW ABOUT Penner and Visnosky!!! but you forget they did. They got THREE d-men Kelfbom, Whitney, and Teubert!!!

I think the compete level has been there with this team more then ever with Eakins.

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#23 **
November 30 2013, 09:09PM
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Jay wrote:

Just curious, is there an D core in the league you wouldn't switch the oilers current D core for?

Yes. Florida.

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#24 Just a Fan
November 30 2013, 08:16PM
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camdog wrote:

I can't fault Tambelini for the drafting, he didn't hire the chief scouts, they were all Lowe hires. As well it's Lowe's draft years that are still crippling the organisation. Often rather than good picks the Oilers would go off the board, gambling on offensive players like Shremp. In Lowe and even Sather's pursuit of River Boat hockey, they did it through the draft and River boat drafting. They were more or less playing poker at the draft.

So you don't blame Tambelini for the draft when he was GM but you do blame Lowe when he was GM?

Sounds like a double standard.

Rob Shrimp was ranked 10th by central scouting when the Oilers took him at 25. That is not exactly off the board.

It is OK to be upset by the Oilers' draft history. It has been bad, real bad. It is OK to be upset by the Oilers' on ice performance. It has been awful.

A lot of the Oilers' "suckage" has happened on Lowe's watch and he should be held accountable but he is not the devil. Laying all the blame at his feet is not fair.

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#25 S4H1
November 30 2013, 09:53PM
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COMPREHENSIVE TRADE PLAN:(or too much time on my hands...)

Untouchables: Hall, RNH, Nurse, Ferrence(NMC) Almost Untouchables: Perron, J Schultz, Gordon, Yakupov(Won't return proper value) Major Trade Pieces: Eberle, Gagner, First rounders 2014 & 2015, Petry, Klefbom

1:Jack Johnson may be worthwhile for Columbus to move for multiple assets as they have Wisniewski, Tyutin and the upcoming Murray. A package around Gagner and our 2015 first for Jack would be okay with most Oil fans and would likely be enough for the Jackets. Maybe we could finagle Anisimov from them as well if we changed the first to 2014 instead of 2015.

2:Eberle should be traded. He is a great player and deserves more credit than he seems to get. He is also unable (or unwilling) to battle for position and needs to play with stronger linemates. He would be pretty awesome beside Giroux or Lecavalier. Philadelphia is tight at the cap next year and does not have a winning lineup. I believe a package around Ebs, Klefbom, Petry and a draft pick (also N Schultz if trade done before season end) would return 3 of 5 players in Coburn or L Schenn, Couturier or B Schenn and Simmonds. My preference would be to avoid the Schenn boys, but Philly is trying to move them.

3:Ehrhoff has a modified NTC which may be problematic. He was also paid $10 million last year ($5.85 million after lockout) and is owed $8 million this year. His contract is awkward with regard to age and term (ends 2021 at age 38), but is a reasonable cap hit($4 Million). A package around our 2015 first would likely do. Perhaps we could also get Marcus Foligno if we include Petry. This is the least necessary trade and should only be done if the oilers fail to acquire either of the other veteran Defensemen.

Lost Assets: Eberle, Gagner, N Schultz, Petry, Klefbom, 2014 and 2015 firsts, as well as some combination of any depth players/prospects/picks.

Gained Assets: Johnson, Coburn (or Ehrhoff), a big young Center(Couturier or Anisimov), a tough RW (Simmonds), as well as, potentially, B Schenn and Marcus Foligno.

Result: Making the massive assumption that these trades go off successfully, the results would be game-changing. Two minute-munching defenders to usher in the young Schultz, Nurse and Belov make our defense a strength. Three large, top six forwards make our top six far more difficult to play against. The surrendered assets are of quality, but have redundant skills on this team. These maneuvers would bring everything that the Oilers are looking for and would immediately make this team competitive in the West.

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#26 Rama Lama
November 30 2013, 06:01PM
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Actually I have been thinking a lot about our situation..........and KLowe in particular.

Here is how we can utilize him. For all hockey related matters especially player selection.........we should ask him what he thinks and then try and do exactly the opposite.

See even idiots can be useful.

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#27 Rama Lama
November 30 2013, 06:25PM
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steveb12344 wrote:

Can anyone explain to me the difference between Seth Jones and Darnell Nurse, that Jones is excelling on the top D-pair in Nashville and getting second most TOI on his team next to Weber. Yet most here are predicting 3-5 years for Nurse to be able to contribute at the NHL level?

YES.......the biggest difference is Seth Jones is playing next to Webber and Nurse would be playing next to?????

Nurse is probably the same skill wise but is a string bean........once he adds about 25 lbs, this guy will be much better player than Jones.

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#28 Zarny
November 30 2013, 08:32PM
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Nurse certainly looks like the real deal but you have to be careful with comparisons. I expect a player somewhere between Braydon Coburn and Pietrangelo.

Good observation that Keith and Pietrangelo were supported by veterans. Just in case MacT is wondering what ails Justin Schultz.

I don't see one of the sexy names on D being available. Maybe Subban if his contract goes off the rails in Mtl. Weber, Suter, Chara, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo etc aren't going anywhere.

Perhaps Nurse becomes one of those names. I think he has the highest ceiling of any prospect. 2017-18 sounds right when you'd expect him to play a significant role.

Which means the Oilers need a legit top pairing D right now. That's 2 of the top 60 D in the league. It's a short list and could very well include moving one of the young guns.

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#29 Fisher
November 30 2013, 02:04PM
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If you look at all of those examples listed, one thing stands out, all of those rookie Dmen were stapled to a reliable vet. Who will that vet be for us? Ference? Petry?

Our long term D looks like it'll include:

J Shultz, Nurse, Klefbom, Petry, Ference, Belov (hopefully). Marincine?

I like the look of this, however the timing is wrong, and all of our top dogs will be relatively young when we should be hitting our prime. As well, 6,7 D men aren't that tough to come by anyways.

Why not consider taking some of, or all of, depending on the return: Klefbom + Marincine + 1st Rounder 2014 (Top 10, but not if its an Ekblad type of top 2 pick) + 2nd Round 2014 type thing and hitting a home run D deal.

Would bviously prefer instead to run:

Homerun D, Nurse, Petry, J Shultz, Ference, Belov, Filler

Who can we pull in to that top position? Seabrook? Hedman? OEL? John Carlson? Jack Johnson? Who can run Weber to our Jones/Brodin?

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#30 Walter Sobchak
November 30 2013, 02:09PM
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Trade him or Klefbom......Not because I don't think they will pan out, but because the Oilers have to many holes.

We have to lose some players, skilled forwards or potential defensemen, it's a real pickle to be sure.

Our veterans have no value so this is really the only choice, the Oilers can't expect to wait for this kid to progress into a full time NHLer, not unless they want an infinity build.

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#31 Dan 1919
November 30 2013, 03:44PM
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@I Remember the Orange Jerseys

I agree we shouldn’t trade Nurse, he could be what actually makes this team competitive for 20years (like we always hear Management allude to).

I think J.Shutlz will be better than what you suggest though, and I think he has trade value.

To me if they have to move J.Shultz, Klefbom, and this year’s first round pick in any combination, or even all three for a stud D man, it’s worth it. Plus as Oiler fans we always seem to WAY overrate our prospects (see Lander and Magnes Pajarvvi).

Any of those three above are long term projects, and I believe we are at the 14th year of the rebuild and it’s time to win now. I think that would be a step in the right direction without being too reckless about the future.

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#32 Taylor Gang
November 30 2013, 04:25PM
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I wouldn't trade Schultz. He still hasn't played 82 games yet, plus he has star potential. Seems silly to be trading up and coming defensemen considering how that's what we're looking for.

Trade for a top 2 defenseman? What team with a stud defenseman is looking to trade one? Besides, it would probably cost too much.

I believe that we should just get solid defensive help such as a top 4 stay at home defenseman and wait for Nurse/Schultz/Klefbom to develop into that stud

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#33 Todd
December 01 2013, 12:03AM
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camdog wrote:

Kevin Lowe hired our scouting staff. He also hired Mact As Presidential advisor and Scott Howson as VP of Hockey Operations. These were Kevin Lowe hires, all made during Tambelini's tenure, these were not Tambelini moves. From what I hear Tamblini and the scouts did not want to pick Yakopov, this came from Katz

Tamblini seriously muffed up other issues of the team such as signing Khabibullin and not getting value for Hemsky and on and on. Maybe it's a double standard, but I really think a lot of our drafting comes back to decisions by Lowe and his people.

I'm sure you have an ear right to Katz/Tambelinni's table. Was "from what I hear" heard at HockeyBuzz?

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#34 EHH Team
November 30 2013, 02:55PM
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What is the of the potential upside of players like Belov, J Schultz & Klefbom?

Does Belov have the potential to be a legitimate first pairing defenseman once he gets fully comfortable with playing in the league? I like his calmness, his open ice hits, his outlet passes and his shot, although he continues to make too many gaffs.

With the right defense partner, perhaps Shultz also fits on a top pair. Is there legitimate potential of Belov and J Schultz?

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#35 Sliderule
November 30 2013, 04:18PM
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Get over it folks no one is going to trade us a Doughty type.

The number one pick might get us a Ehrhoff or Coburn who you could pair with the underrated Petry for a good first pair.

If you watched Johanson score after waltzing out of corner from Schultz the elder you can realize that even the type of player available to us will make the team a whole lot better.

Dare I say playoff better.

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#36 Serious Gord
November 30 2013, 05:50PM
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So Lowetide - inadvertently perhaps - confirms THE problem

The prospects won't be hitting their stride until hall is one year a way from becoming an RFA and all of the salary cap owes come home to roost. So waiting for the prospects means having one, maybe two years to seriously compete for the cup. An even that timeline is riddled with ifs.

So waiting is not a appealing option for many reasons which means trades. And having signed both hemsky and gagner to too high a price and in light of their play their value is rapidly depreciating, some of these prospects are going to HaVE to be dealt. Or a couple of the young guns will have to go.

What a mess. Some real nut cutting is going to have to happen within the next 12 months or the next five years could be agonizing.

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#37 BC BOY
November 30 2013, 05:54PM
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Keith was also 160lb when he was drafted nurse is 6'4" 200lb... i see him taking the pietrangelo route

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#38 Taylor Gang
November 30 2013, 06:32PM
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steveb12344 wrote:

Can anyone explain to me the difference between Seth Jones and Darnell Nurse, that Jones is excelling on the top D-pair in Nashville and getting second most TOI on his team next to Weber. Yet most here are predicting 3-5 years for Nurse to be able to contribute at the NHL level?

Because Jones is a better prospect. Pretty clear cut if you ask me

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#39 Todd
December 01 2013, 12:47PM
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Rotten Ron wrote:

Pat Quinn tells the story of Katz insisting Yakupov being picked because his son wanted him over Murray at his speaking engagements.

Bahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... Katz' kid overruled the GM, coaches and all the scouts and picked Yakupov. That's good stuff.

Letting your kid make one of the 5 most important decisions in you company seems like how you become a Billionaire.

You are starting to make HockeyBuzz sound legit.

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#40 2004Z06
December 01 2013, 06:27PM
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Arius Mumin wrote:

We had Gagner remember. He's awesome.

How do you know we didn't need another winger? Why not?

What is wrong with Yakupov? Is he the sole reason and contributor to the tanking?

What do you like about Hall? He is an older and a more expirienced #1 overall on the same team. What is the big difference between Hall and Yakupov in your opinion?

There is a reward for losing, it's called a paycheque and mindless fans on your jock in public, no matter the result or effort.

If you think Gagner is awesome as a #2 centerman, you clearly know absolutely nothing about hockey. Centerman win draws, forecheck, backcheck, maintain possession, and win puck battles. All of which Gagner does not do. You can go ahead and have your man crush, but Gagner is not and never will be a legitimate number 2 NHL centerman.

As for Yakupov, I did not say I didn't like him. (read the post). I said we didn't need another winger regardless of his name.

We needed a big, strong, responsible center. That is what Galchenyuk is, and what Gagner is not.

I simply do not understand the love in with Gagner here. Not a bad player, but not a good centerman. 6 yrs in the league, never higher than 50 points, never over 50% in the circle and never a + player.

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#41 They're $hittie
November 30 2013, 01:17PM
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bmac wrote:

What can we expect from Klefbom? And when is a reasonable time that he'll make the team full-time?

LT further to this what are ETA's on Nurse and Klefbom if oilers land Ekblad, and his ETA

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#42 Todd
November 30 2013, 04:37PM
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To clarify I didn't mean trade our 1st and Ebs, Klefbom and Yak. I meant those are the pieces (likely just 1) I'd use as bait, probably in that order - ie Yak is my last choice to trade.

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#43 steveb12344
November 30 2013, 06:05PM
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Can anyone explain to me the difference between Seth Jones and Darnell Nurse, that Jones is excelling on the top D-pair in Nashville and getting second most TOI on his team next to Weber. Yet most here are predicting 3-5 years for Nurse to be able to contribute at the NHL level?

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#44 Ari Gold
November 30 2013, 06:09PM
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Loving the Suits Gif. Donna, yum.

Should the Oilers obtain a solid #1 Dman now? YES. The youngsters need a mentor. Darnell will need one.

I'd trade our entire roster and my left nut for Peitrangelo. Guy is a Cadillac.

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#45 Quicksilver ballet
November 30 2013, 06:32PM
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5 yrs from now, that kid could/may be a stud.

This hope flavoured Kool Aid always tastes better on weekends.

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#46 camdog
November 30 2013, 06:52PM
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@Serious Gord

Hockey Futures has the Oilers ranked 20th in the league. Problem with the Oilers is many of their star prospects are all playing with the team. We devalued our team so bad during the fail for a number 1 pick that we are rebuilding an entire roster at once. There were no prospects waiting in the minors when we started the rebuild, hence we are still short on depth.

The sad fact is we will have to wait another year or two before we can even make a "bold" move. The time isn't right.

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#47 Jay
November 30 2013, 08:38PM
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Just curious, is there an D core in the league you wouldn't switch the oilers current D core for?

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#48 camdog
November 30 2013, 11:05PM
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Just a Fan wrote:

So you don't blame Tambelini for the draft when he was GM but you do blame Lowe when he was GM?

Sounds like a double standard.

Rob Shrimp was ranked 10th by central scouting when the Oilers took him at 25. That is not exactly off the board.

It is OK to be upset by the Oilers' draft history. It has been bad, real bad. It is OK to be upset by the Oilers' on ice performance. It has been awful.

A lot of the Oilers' "suckage" has happened on Lowe's watch and he should be held accountable but he is not the devil. Laying all the blame at his feet is not fair.

Kevin Lowe hired our scouting staff. He also hired Mact As Presidential advisor and Scott Howson as VP of Hockey Operations. These were Kevin Lowe hires, all made during Tambelini's tenure, these were not Tambelini moves. From what I hear Tamblini and the scouts did not want to pick Yakopov, this came from Katz

Tamblini seriously muffed up other issues of the team such as signing Khabibullin and not getting value for Hemsky and on and on. Maybe it's a double standard, but I really think a lot of our drafting comes back to decisions by Lowe and his people.

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#49 They're $hittie
November 30 2013, 01:01PM
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I dont have a problem with it either, just not always used properly.

LT do you know how it all started or what the origin of it was.

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#50 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
November 30 2013, 03:04PM
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David S wrote:

Here's the universally accepted definition:

http://youtu.be/ciG-Xs7mBwU

We should mention that "fist" came from the ON moderators editing the "first" comments to poke fun at those posters. Some embraced it and ran with "fist" (in a way poking fun of themselves), others (those who have pocket calculators and curse all that is not serious) still balk at it.

#truth

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