Report: Philadelphia Flyers inquire about Jordan Eberle

Jonathan Willis
November 08 2013 01:19PM

According to Tim Panaccio of CSN Philadelphia, the Flyers talked to the Oilers today about the possibility of acquiring Jordan Eberle.

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Is Eberle Tradable?

The short answer in my view: yes.

Nobody would deny the Oilers have significant problems. Those problems are so significant that it might be necessary to trade high-end talent from one position to add help at another position. It doesn’t make sense to so that with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, because he’s the only hope the team has as a first-line centre. It doesn’t make sense to do that with Taylor Hall, the best player on the team and the only elite talent at left wing.

That leaves right wing, where Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov both play. In the right deal, either of those guys is moveable – regardless of what the team says. That’s not to say that the team should shop either guy, or that they’re looking to move either of them, but a trade that makes the team better without robbing Peter to pay Paul is plausible, if the guy getting traded plays right wing.

Is Eberle Tradable to Philadelphia?

Again, the short answer in my view: yes.

But there’s a caveat attached. The player has to be a high-end talent right now. That means that no package of Braydon Coburn and/or Wayne Simmonds and/or Scott Hartnell and/or Luke Schenn and/or draft picks and prospects or whatever. Trading down to address immediate need is a good way to kneecap the Oilers long-term. So no third defencemen or big second-line wingers can form the core of a decent Eberle trade.

Does Philadelphia have the high-end talent? I think you can make a case for three players. I don’t think either Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier gets the job done right now. I have a lot of time for Couturier but I’m skeptical about his finishing ability and I think you can get more for Eberle on the open market. Schenn’s only a year younger than Eberle and significantly behind the same career curve.

That leaves Claude Giroux. Giroux is one of the best players in the game today, and for my money he’s a better player than Eberle by a nontrivial margin. He can play centre or wing. He doesn’t address the Oilers’ positional needs, but when an opportunity exists to trade in a very good player for a great player, it’s an opportunity that needs to be taken advantage of. For the Oilers, the possibility of having one line built on Giroux/Hall and another on Nugent-Hopkins/Yakupov long-term would have to be extremely tempting.

Does the opportunity exist? With any other team, I’d say ‘no’; with the Flyers it’s just ‘probably not.’ Giroux is getting killed by the percentages this year (his line is shooting at just over 5 percent and Philadelphia has a 0.875 save percentage with him on the ice at even-strength). The 11.5 percent career shooter has zero goals on 31 shots, as well as a minus-11 rating in 15 games. Most teams would rightly dismiss that as an aberration, but the Flyers are under tremendous pressure and have a history of making quick, franchise-altering moves.

If there’s an opportunity to acquire Claude Giroux, Eberle’s a justifiable cost. Otherwise, it’s hard to see a defensible deal here.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Eulers
November 08 2013, 01:22PM
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Wanye is going to freak...

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#2 Bishai in the Benches
November 08 2013, 01:26PM
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There goes Jonathan Willis' job...

Unless the rumours are true and Wanye writes every article from his mom's basement, under different pseudonyms

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#3 D
November 08 2013, 01:26PM
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I feel Eberle for Giroux is a bad deal for the Oilers.

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#4 ubermiguel
November 08 2013, 01:26PM
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Make that deal.

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#5 laughing pug
November 08 2013, 01:30PM
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I'm sobbing uncontrollably with my knees pulled up to my chin, but I keep mouthing the words "do it..." Oh god I hate myself.

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#6 kawi460
November 08 2013, 01:30PM
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I wonder if Flyers would move Giroux?

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#7 bdiddy18
November 08 2013, 01:36PM
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the push come to shove moment and all oiler fans cave ....no BOLD no! ..its ok lets not do it!

DO IT - Giroux welcome to Edmonton.

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#8 mlcselli
November 08 2013, 01:38PM
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OMG--what a dilemma we have if there is substance to this. We all agree something has to be done. If we think of the player, we want Eberle with us; but if we think of the team, we need some improvements. Definitely can't go wrong with Giroux in the lineup. Can't decide if #14 is worth the sacrifice. If I had to make the decision, I have to give the team a chance to win and a goal tender would be coming here.

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#9 Wohin gehst du?
November 08 2013, 01:44PM
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How good is Giroux without the puck in comparison to Eberle? Do you think maybe it could be something like:

Eberle, Omark, and 2nd Rounder for Giroux and Simmonds?

Obviously biased towards Oilers, but Paul Holmgren.

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#10 steelymac
November 08 2013, 01:44PM
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I really like Vorachek.

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#11 Gusset
November 08 2013, 01:45PM
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If you think philly is trading giroux for eberle, you are crazy. That's a massive miscalculation of eberles ability. Giroux is on par with stamkos, malkin, Nash, etc. if philly is looking at eberle it's to play on a line with giroux to get him going. My take is cobourne would be the centre of the deal coming back

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#12 RexHolez
November 08 2013, 01:48PM
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Why in the heck would Philly trade giroux for eberle??

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#13 gongshow
November 08 2013, 01:49PM
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I love Ebs, but please let this be true.

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#14 BLAKPOO
November 08 2013, 01:52PM
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laughing pug wrote:

I'm sobbing uncontrollably with my knees pulled up to my chin, but I keep mouthing the words "do it..." Oh god I hate myself.

Consider this reply an extra 'props'

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#15 Fresh Mess
November 08 2013, 01:53PM
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Eberle, Hall and Yakupov for Chris Pronger.

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#16 Hemmercules
November 08 2013, 01:54PM
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No way that trade happens straight across. I could see a package deal involving both players maybe, but still a long shot. I don't know if I could handle seeing Ebs in another jersey.

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#17 StHenriOilBomb
November 08 2013, 01:58PM
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Gusset wrote:

If you think philly is trading giroux for eberle, you are crazy. That's a massive miscalculation of eberles ability. Giroux is on par with stamkos, malkin, Nash, etc. if philly is looking at eberle it's to play on a line with giroux to get him going. My take is cobourne would be the centre of the deal coming back

Edmonton would have to add something to the deal, but it's not nearly as large of a gap as it would be for Stamkos or Malkin.

Neither Giroux or Nash (who I'd rate a tad below Giroux) are close to Stams or Geno.

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#18 StHenriOilBomb
November 08 2013, 01:59PM
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@Fresh Mess

Eberle, Hall, and Yakupov for CFP. FTFY.

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#19 Shredder
November 08 2013, 01:59PM
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Bold? Yes. Upgrade? Slightly. Addressing our needs? No.

Seriously, can we start looking at trades that are going to be guys that we need? A big winger in Simmonds? Makes more sense...maybe we don't get the best player, but it addresses a need. So let's add to it...

Or maybe this is just like the Rangers rumors.

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#20 Smokey
November 08 2013, 02:00PM
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Any deal with Philly for Eberle begins with a center. They got no defence we want. I don't buy its Giroux, because getting rid of him puts Philly in full rebuild mode, and they are trying to augment their lineup with a sniper and shake things up. Any deal for an elite center you would have to make in heartbeat. Giroux has been off this year, but he was essentially a lock to play for team Canada.

I'd do Eberle and a defenceman and prospect for Simmonds and Couturier. Other then that I don't see hypotheticals worth discussing. Eberle plus parts for Giroux would be unreal. Doubt it would happen. I'd stop saying fire Kevin Lowe for at least a.week.

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#21 camdog
November 08 2013, 02:01PM
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@mlcselli

Giroux at 8.3 million until the year 2022 is not a "can't go wrong" move.

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#22 hockeycrazed
November 08 2013, 02:01PM
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No! No! No! and No! Don't anybody move, keep your eyes on the ball!!! What is more pressing for the Oil? Goal Keep!!!! Goal-Keep!!! Goal-Keep! Unless you are overhauling the whole team, trading a forward for another forward is not going to change the fortunes for this team, albeit Eberle!?? He'd been the only constant in this Oiler team the past two years for crying out loud! He's probably had a bad game once in a while, and you gonna write him off?? No! not happening! If the Oil keep playing musical chair with their top players, they will forever be re-building, it's like covering 5 pots with four tops......

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#23 Dallylamma
November 08 2013, 02:01PM
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If I'm Philly I don't trade Giroux for our sweet boy Jordan straight up...and I'm almost as gay for Eberle as Wayne is...unless Giroux has demanded a trade or something and they are just trying to move him out ASAP.

However, if Giroux and Eberle are the centerpieces of a multi-player deal it might work great for both teams.

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#24 Geoff
November 08 2013, 02:01PM
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Why would philly even trade Giroux? Wouldn't the whole point of getting ebs in philly would be to play with giroux?

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#25 Metal&Oil
November 08 2013, 02:03PM
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Before we make trades with huge long term implications like this we gotta clean out the suits at the top of this organization. I have no confidence whatsoever that Lowe/MacT can fix this thing.

Katz has his new arena all but locked up. It's time for him to man up and drop the AXE before these underachieving and egotistical(in Lowe's case') suits bring this train wreck past the point of no return.

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#26 Kosmo Kraemer
November 08 2013, 02:03PM
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The area of most need is the defense. The Oilers will grab another goalie, who of course will not live up to his billing, one who will be worse than Dubes. Then the whining will continue and none of the problems will be fixed.

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#27 Chongler
November 08 2013, 02:06PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Eberle, Hall and Yakupov for Chris Pronger.

The Oilers basically did trade Pronger for Eberle & Smid (And I guess eventually Eager)...Does this count?

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#28 Toro
November 08 2013, 02:08PM
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Eberle & Smid for Coburn , Simmonds , B.Schenn/ Couturier.... Too much NHL 14 for me? Or Plausable

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#29 Hemmercules
November 08 2013, 02:09PM
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The entire league knows the Oilers are looking for help/upgrades. Just because Philly put in a call about Ebs doesn't mean anything. My guess is Mact is taking calls daily about lots of his players. The only reason this is news is because philly makes unexpected trades sometimes.

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#30 Primo
November 08 2013, 02:10PM
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Keep dreaming...as long as Kevin Lowe remains in charge nothing will happen, no improvement and the losses continue. I feel sorry for the young first overalls and they really need to get out of this loser environment badly.

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#31 CaptainLander
November 08 2013, 02:11PM
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Couturier, Simmonds, Coburn --> Ebs, Arcobello, Smid

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#32 ubermiguel
November 08 2013, 02:11PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Why in the heck would Philly trade giroux for eberle??

They really shouldn't make that deal. Willis is saying he's the only player on their roster worth an Eberle.

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#34 war
November 08 2013, 02:12PM
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eberle+j.schultz for coutourier and giroux!

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#35 BLAKPOO
November 08 2013, 02:12PM
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Smokey wrote:

Any deal with Philly for Eberle begins with a center. They got no defence we want. I don't buy its Giroux, because getting rid of him puts Philly in full rebuild mode, and they are trying to augment their lineup with a sniper and shake things up. Any deal for an elite center you would have to make in heartbeat. Giroux has been off this year, but he was essentially a lock to play for team Canada.

I'd do Eberle and a defenceman and prospect for Simmonds and Couturier. Other then that I don't see hypotheticals worth discussing. Eberle plus parts for Giroux would be unreal. Doubt it would happen. I'd stop saying fire Kevin Lowe for at least a.week.

I'd do Eberle and a defenceman and prospect for Simmonds and Couturier.

I stopped reading after this.

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#37 Oiler in Van
November 08 2013, 02:16PM
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What if Eberle was on a piese of this trade. Yes trading high end forwards would not help each team. Maybe it is a multi player trade

Eberle, Smid, Marincin, 2nd

Giroux, Simmonds,+ prospect

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#38 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 02:17PM
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I don't agree with you JW: If there was any hope in hell that we could land Simmonds and Coburn for Eberle, I'd do that in a heartbeat

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#40 war
November 08 2013, 02:21PM
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make a dam trade already!(as long as hall,hopkins,perron and gordon stay)

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#41 John Kirsch
November 08 2013, 02:23PM
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D wrote:

I feel Eberle for Giroux is a bad deal for the Oilers.

Claude is good player but Ebs is better. Epic hype by this author saying he is great or one of "the best players in the game today" really. Claude is living off his playoff performance with Pitt a couple years back. He has been in the league for 7 years now and has only scored 20 or more goals twice, and this year he is goalless.

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#42 YakupovFirst
November 08 2013, 02:24PM
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Yakupov is the first on of the young skill to go. Eberle is too important to EDM. Yakupov is the odd man out. Eakins is a retard and not the GM. If MacT got a offer he couldn't refuse than Yak is gone in a heartbeat.

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#43 Dumb
November 08 2013, 02:27PM
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John Kirsch wrote:

Claude is good player but Ebs is better. Epic hype by this author saying he is great or one of "the best players in the game today" really. Claude is living off his playoff performance with Pitt a couple years back. He has been in the league for 7 years now and has only scored 20 or more goals twice, and this year he is goalless.

Giroux has been in the league for 3 1/2 seasons actually. Retard.

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#44 StHenriOilBomb
November 08 2013, 02:28PM
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Shredder wrote:

Bold? Yes. Upgrade? Slightly. Addressing our needs? No.

Seriously, can we start looking at trades that are going to be guys that we need? A big winger in Simmonds? Makes more sense...maybe we don't get the best player, but it addresses a need. So let's add to it...

Or maybe this is just like the Rangers rumors.

hold on. Are you suggesting that the Oilers don't need to increase their center depth?

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#45 The Swarm
November 08 2013, 02:28PM
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Let's face it, if the Oilers received average goaltending this season (say closer to .920) we would not be talking about the rest of the roster and a failed rebuild, so please don't consider breaking up the core on account of 1 month of shoddy goaltending. Fix the goaltending situation by offering future picks.

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#46 Greasy Goal
November 08 2013, 02:28PM
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Is Claude Giroux worth the 8.275 mill per year? Some would say no. However, being in the West I havent been able to see him play on a nightly bases and I do know what he does when playoffs roll around. Im torn between pulling the deal and shaking things up and keeping what we have and looking for a number 1 D-man. Ps.I know that if a deal is made that the Oilers will be able to make another, but it will be more difficult to find that #1 guy on defense with one less piece on the table.

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#47 Taylor Gang
November 08 2013, 02:30PM
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Eberle for Coburn and Simmonds.

Get a legit top 4 defense option plus size in the top 9. One Joensuu gets back we have the best 3rd line in the NHL.

Book it

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#48 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 02:32PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I'm sure that's how Mike Milbury felt when he swapped Luongo for Parrish and Kvasha.

Cherry picking a deal done by a failure of a GM, doesn't really support your position.

Team needs are team needs. If MacT determines that a bigger scoring winger and a top 4 D man are more crucial to team success than 1 small scoring winger, then i wouldn't be surprised if he makes that deal. Personally i think the flyers would say HELL NO to a Eberle for Simmonds/Coburn deal but i can't be certain of that as i dont get to sit in on the conference calls.

Eberle + Picks for Giroux is just more of the same.. Except Giroux comes with an 8.275 caphit starting right quick here.. And that kind of scratch is attrocious considering the team still needs a #1/2 D and a true #1 goalie.

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#49 CaptainLander
November 08 2013, 02:33PM
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The Swarm wrote:

Let's face it, if the Oilers received average goaltending this season (say closer to .920) we would not be talking about the rest of the roster and a failed rebuild, so please don't consider breaking up the core on account of 1 month of shoddy goaltending. Fix the goaltending situation by offering future picks.

I can accept this.

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#50 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 02:33PM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

hold on. Are you suggesting that the Oilers don't need to increase their center depth?

Not their small center depth.. We need a big one, and Giroux is far from big at 5'11 172lbs (as per nhl.com).

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