Report: Philadelphia Flyers inquire about Jordan Eberle

Jonathan Willis
November 08 2013 01:19PM

According to Tim Panaccio of CSN Philadelphia, the Flyers talked to the Oilers today about the possibility of acquiring Jordan Eberle.

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Is Eberle Tradable?

The short answer in my view: yes.

Nobody would deny the Oilers have significant problems. Those problems are so significant that it might be necessary to trade high-end talent from one position to add help at another position. It doesn’t make sense to so that with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, because he’s the only hope the team has as a first-line centre. It doesn’t make sense to do that with Taylor Hall, the best player on the team and the only elite talent at left wing.

That leaves right wing, where Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov both play. In the right deal, either of those guys is moveable – regardless of what the team says. That’s not to say that the team should shop either guy, or that they’re looking to move either of them, but a trade that makes the team better without robbing Peter to pay Paul is plausible, if the guy getting traded plays right wing.

Is Eberle Tradable to Philadelphia?

Again, the short answer in my view: yes.

But there’s a caveat attached. The player has to be a high-end talent right now. That means that no package of Braydon Coburn and/or Wayne Simmonds and/or Scott Hartnell and/or Luke Schenn and/or draft picks and prospects or whatever. Trading down to address immediate need is a good way to kneecap the Oilers long-term. So no third defencemen or big second-line wingers can form the core of a decent Eberle trade.

Does Philadelphia have the high-end talent? I think you can make a case for three players. I don’t think either Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier gets the job done right now. I have a lot of time for Couturier but I’m skeptical about his finishing ability and I think you can get more for Eberle on the open market. Schenn’s only a year younger than Eberle and significantly behind the same career curve.

That leaves Claude Giroux. Giroux is one of the best players in the game today, and for my money he’s a better player than Eberle by a nontrivial margin. He can play centre or wing. He doesn’t address the Oilers’ positional needs, but when an opportunity exists to trade in a very good player for a great player, it’s an opportunity that needs to be taken advantage of. For the Oilers, the possibility of having one line built on Giroux/Hall and another on Nugent-Hopkins/Yakupov long-term would have to be extremely tempting.

Does the opportunity exist? With any other team, I’d say ‘no’; with the Flyers it’s just ‘probably not.’ Giroux is getting killed by the percentages this year (his line is shooting at just over 5 percent and Philadelphia has a 0.875 save percentage with him on the ice at even-strength). The 11.5 percent career shooter has zero goals on 31 shots, as well as a minus-11 rating in 15 games. Most teams would rightly dismiss that as an aberration, but the Flyers are under tremendous pressure and have a history of making quick, franchise-altering moves.

If there’s an opportunity to acquire Claude Giroux, Eberle’s a justifiable cost. Otherwise, it’s hard to see a defensible deal here.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 StHenriOilBomb
November 08 2013, 01:58PM
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Gusset wrote:

If you think philly is trading giroux for eberle, you are crazy. That's a massive miscalculation of eberles ability. Giroux is on par with stamkos, malkin, Nash, etc. if philly is looking at eberle it's to play on a line with giroux to get him going. My take is cobourne would be the centre of the deal coming back

Edmonton would have to add something to the deal, but it's not nearly as large of a gap as it would be for Stamkos or Malkin.

Neither Giroux or Nash (who I'd rate a tad below Giroux) are close to Stams or Geno.

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#52 war
November 08 2013, 02:12PM
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eberle+j.schultz for coutourier and giroux!

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#53 war
November 08 2013, 02:21PM
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make a dam trade already!(as long as hall,hopkins,perron and gordon stay)

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#54 CaptainLander
November 08 2013, 02:33PM
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The Swarm wrote:

Let's face it, if the Oilers received average goaltending this season (say closer to .920) we would not be talking about the rest of the roster and a failed rebuild, so please don't consider breaking up the core on account of 1 month of shoddy goaltending. Fix the goaltending situation by offering future picks.

I can accept this.

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#55 Dog Train
November 08 2013, 02:38PM
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Philly doesn't have much that interests me. I wouldn't be too interested in a package right now as we are close to the contract cap and have a bit of a logjam up front and on the blueline. If anything we are the team that is ready to put a package together for an upgrade.

I'm not a big fan of either of the Schenn brothers, never have been. Couturier is intriguing but I'm not sold on whether he will be a 2nd line centre or just a really good 3rd line guy. Giroux is obviously off to a terrible start but not long ago he was considered a top 10 talent in the entire league.

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#56 PaperDesigner
November 08 2013, 02:48PM
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What about a possibility where you trade Giroux to another team for a proven, young top end defenceman? Would Phoenix part with Ekman-Larsson if one of the league's elite offensive talents is on the table?

It would look like: To Philly: Eberle To Edmonton: Ekman-Larsson To Phoenix: Giroux

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#57 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 08 2013, 03:10PM
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PaperDesigner wrote:

What about a possibility where you trade Giroux to another team for a proven, young top end defenceman? Would Phoenix part with Ekman-Larsson if one of the league's elite offensive talents is on the table?

It would look like: To Philly: Eberle To Edmonton: Ekman-Larsson To Phoenix: Giroux

This bears repeating!

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#58 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 03:27PM
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The 90's were worse (Formerly Oilers need Ogie Oglethorpe) wrote:

Interesting article, thanks JW.

First: I don't like trading Ebs. If it does happen, we need to get back top end talent. A true #1 Dman, even if we need picks or prospects to make it legit

Second: if Philly is considering Giroux in the deal, then we should look at other teams for a 3-way

NYR gets Giroux, Hemsky, Smid PHI gets Eberle, Del Zotto Edm gets McDonough, Simmonds

* I'm not really sure this is realistic - probably not. Draft picks and prospects could balance it out as needed. My proposal is less about the specifics, more about using Giroux as a piece to get a top defenseman... The OEL comment involving Giroux above seemed like a pretty good option to me.

Also, I don't know if McDonaugh is that guy - I'm just going on what I've read here over the last few days. My point is we need D or goaltending. If we trade Eb's, we'd better get a major upgrade in one of those areas.

So edmonton Loses Hemsky, Smid and Eberle for Simmonds and McDonagh?

I dont think i'd do that deal..McDonagh is still pretty young and i'll admit i dont know a whole lot about him but i haven't heard he's much of a superstar defenseman.

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#59 Gordie Wayne
November 08 2013, 04:05PM
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Giroux may be slightly better than Eberle, and he can play center, but they are pretty much the same size and almost the same type of player in my opinion.

Also, keep in mind Eberle is 2 years younger and cheaper by 2.275 million per year when Giroux's extension kicks in - think about that for a second - 2.275 million per year!

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#60 ubermiguel
November 08 2013, 02:11PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Why in the heck would Philly trade giroux for eberle??

They really shouldn't make that deal. Willis is saying he's the only player on their roster worth an Eberle.

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#61 BLAKPOO
November 08 2013, 02:12PM
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Smokey wrote:

Any deal with Philly for Eberle begins with a center. They got no defence we want. I don't buy its Giroux, because getting rid of him puts Philly in full rebuild mode, and they are trying to augment their lineup with a sniper and shake things up. Any deal for an elite center you would have to make in heartbeat. Giroux has been off this year, but he was essentially a lock to play for team Canada.

I'd do Eberle and a defenceman and prospect for Simmonds and Couturier. Other then that I don't see hypotheticals worth discussing. Eberle plus parts for Giroux would be unreal. Doubt it would happen. I'd stop saying fire Kevin Lowe for at least a.week.

I'd do Eberle and a defenceman and prospect for Simmonds and Couturier.

I stopped reading after this.

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#62 Taylor Gang
November 08 2013, 02:30PM
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Eberle for Coburn and Simmonds.

Get a legit top 4 defense option plus size in the top 9. One Joensuu gets back we have the best 3rd line in the NHL.

Book it

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#63 fig pucker
November 08 2013, 02:35PM
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philly has a history of tradeing grade "a" talent just before their big contract kicks in. giroux's 8 yr 62.2 million dollar contract starts in the 2014-15 season. two guys on the kings roster have been down this road before. i hope this deal happens.

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#64 The Swarm
November 08 2013, 02:49PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

At this point in the rebuild, one must ask: do we need any more young talent on the roster? In other words, I could go for that. That being said, I feel that people see the way that Edmonton is heading and probably wouldn't want to take just a 1st rounder for instance. Add in the fact that Edmonton is desperate for goaltending and the situation becomes even more frustrating.

At this rate, a first rounder from the Oilers is gold.

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#65 Harry
November 08 2013, 03:22PM
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Wohin gehst du? wrote:

How good is Giroux without the puck in comparison to Eberle? Do you think maybe it could be something like:

Eberle, Omark, and 2nd Rounder for Giroux and Simmonds?

Obviously biased towards Oilers, but Paul Holmgren.

If edm is going to give up Eberle then they have to address one of there biggest needs. If Philly throws in Simmonds with Giroux the size need has been addressed. I love Eberle but the deal you proposed above would be very very good for Edm.

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#66 John Kirsch
November 08 2013, 03:55PM
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@Taylor Gang

Claude Giroux hasn't scored in 21 games, dating back to last season.

Think about that.

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#67 GTL
November 08 2013, 04:28PM
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I'm so sick of oiler drama

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#68 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 08 2013, 05:11PM
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Christ, I hope there's more coming.

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#69 DSF
November 08 2013, 05:11PM
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They're making room to take on a bad contract from Philly IMO.

Smid (3.5M) out and Mezaros ($4M) in.

The question is....what else?

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#70 james_dean
November 08 2013, 05:37PM
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In breeze we trust!

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#71 Jj
November 08 2013, 06:30PM
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Please don't do it! To big of cap hit, or else not enough return. IMO ebs is a great player who's only gonna get better.

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#72 kawi460
November 08 2013, 01:30PM
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I wonder if Flyers would move Giroux?

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#73 Primo
November 08 2013, 02:10PM
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Keep dreaming...as long as Kevin Lowe remains in charge nothing will happen, no improvement and the losses continue. I feel sorry for the young first overalls and they really need to get out of this loser environment badly.

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#74 Oiler in Van
November 08 2013, 02:16PM
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What if Eberle was on a piese of this trade. Yes trading high end forwards would not help each team. Maybe it is a multi player trade

Eberle, Smid, Marincin, 2nd

Giroux, Simmonds,+ prospect

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#75 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 02:17PM
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I don't agree with you JW: If there was any hope in hell that we could land Simmonds and Coburn for Eberle, I'd do that in a heartbeat

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#76 StHenriOilBomb
November 08 2013, 02:28PM
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Shredder wrote:

Bold? Yes. Upgrade? Slightly. Addressing our needs? No.

Seriously, can we start looking at trades that are going to be guys that we need? A big winger in Simmonds? Makes more sense...maybe we don't get the best player, but it addresses a need. So let's add to it...

Or maybe this is just like the Rangers rumors.

hold on. Are you suggesting that the Oilers don't need to increase their center depth?

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#77 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 02:32PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I'm sure that's how Mike Milbury felt when he swapped Luongo for Parrish and Kvasha.

Cherry picking a deal done by a failure of a GM, doesn't really support your position.

Team needs are team needs. If MacT determines that a bigger scoring winger and a top 4 D man are more crucial to team success than 1 small scoring winger, then i wouldn't be surprised if he makes that deal. Personally i think the flyers would say HELL NO to a Eberle for Simmonds/Coburn deal but i can't be certain of that as i dont get to sit in on the conference calls.

Eberle + Picks for Giroux is just more of the same.. Except Giroux comes with an 8.275 caphit starting right quick here.. And that kind of scratch is attrocious considering the team still needs a #1/2 D and a true #1 goalie.

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#78 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 02:33PM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

hold on. Are you suggesting that the Oilers don't need to increase their center depth?

Not their small center depth.. We need a big one, and Giroux is far from big at 5'11 172lbs (as per nhl.com).

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#79 Taylor Gang
November 08 2013, 02:39PM
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The Swarm wrote:

Let's face it, if the Oilers received average goaltending this season (say closer to .920) we would not be talking about the rest of the roster and a failed rebuild, so please don't consider breaking up the core on account of 1 month of shoddy goaltending. Fix the goaltending situation by offering future picks.

At this point in the rebuild, one must ask: do we need any more young talent on the roster? In other words, I could go for that. That being said, I feel that people see the way that Edmonton is heading and probably wouldn't want to take just a 1st rounder for instance. Add in the fact that Edmonton is desperate for goaltending and the situation becomes even more frustrating.

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#80 Rama Lama
November 08 2013, 03:02PM
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I would trade Eberle.........but only if we got a top 2 defenseman, prospect, and a first round draft choice.

Give them Duby, Omark, and a prospect to round out the deal.

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#81 Citizen David
November 08 2013, 03:17PM
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An Eberle for Giroux deal is just running in place while taking a worse contract. I do think there's a possibility Giroux can be a consistent elite player in the NHL putting up 90 points but so far I would only bet on him to be consistent at 70-80. It's a trade we could win, but if we're trading Eberle it should be for a top pairing D or a massive package. Philly doesn't have the D so it would have to be Couturier+ Schenn+

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#82 Walter Sobchak
November 08 2013, 03:33PM
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For the record I would do the deal but............

I'm really concerned how Hall would view this? Would he be pissed? Would he end up going to Lowe and saying trade me too?

Once Gretzkey was traded you got the sense that it was only a matter of time before Messier would want out.

Once they traded Billy G you knew it was only time before Weight would go.

I see the same thing happening here.

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#83 ThatButthurtOilersFan
November 08 2013, 03:36PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

No way that trade happens straight across. I could see a package deal involving both players maybe, but still a long shot. I don't know if I could handle seeing Ebs in another jersey.

I know dat feel.

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#84 HardBoiledOil
November 08 2013, 03:39PM
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Old School G wrote:

Wayne Simmonds is a whole lot of exactly what we need BUT we should not have to give up Eberle to get him. MacT we're waiting for something here. Give the Oilers faithful something to be excited about we deserve it.

^for sure! how long do we as fans continue to pay big bucks at Rexall to watch this team continue to lose?

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#85 GoofyGoon69
November 08 2013, 03:47PM
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I would rather trade him to e team willing to give up an elite D-man. Eberle for Giroux straight up is not even close. We have to give up more to get him. again, unless there's a team willing to trade an elite d-man or starting goalie. He's not getting traded

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#86 Mr common sense
November 08 2013, 03:48PM
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Steve Ott, Wayne Simmonds, Brandon Dubinsky. Get these 3 players and the midgets will shine.

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#87 Katzhater
November 08 2013, 04:35PM
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Trade j Schultz. Some idiot gm may pay more than he is worth. Emphasis on may. Use return for him to get what you really need.

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#88 Ronin
November 08 2013, 04:44PM
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Smid traded

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#89 Dan 1919
November 08 2013, 05:07PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

I think everyone is wondering if something else is happening.

Yeah you’d think so.

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#90 Serious Gord
November 08 2013, 05:13PM
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Prior to the beginning of the season and very early on in the season I suggested getting Bryz and was chided by Gregor on the radio (and stauffer too?). Now it looks like they might but I oppose it.

The horse is now out of the barn - the season is lost. Bryz is a bandaid at best for this Season only and trading players with futures longer than one year for a sub-one year impact is panic-driven idiocy.

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#91 Greg
November 08 2013, 05:19PM
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My god look at us. All this talk about bringing in Bryz. We're like a bunch of flies frantically flying around sh*t. I could not have imagined this is what we'd be talking about in early November... Thanks Oilers

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#92 michael
November 08 2013, 06:22PM
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@Slats. If this was on purpose Robin should ban you. Rude.

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#93 Lochenzo
November 08 2013, 02:47PM
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How about Jakub Voracek? That class of 2007 had a great year last year. Sam Gagner, Voracek, JVR, Pat Kane had a bounce back year.

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#94 Oilfan
November 08 2013, 02:55PM
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Dog Train wrote:

Philly doesn't have much that interests me. I wouldn't be too interested in a package right now as we are close to the contract cap and have a bit of a logjam up front and on the blueline. If anything we are the team that is ready to put a package together for an upgrade.

I'm not a big fan of either of the Schenn brothers, never have been. Couturier is intriguing but I'm not sold on whether he will be a 2nd line centre or just a really good 3rd line guy. Giroux is obviously off to a terrible start but not long ago he was considered a top 10 talent in the entire league.

Giroux was generally listed in the top 5 not so long ago.

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#95 Citizen David
November 08 2013, 03:24PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

How hard is it to find a big, second-line winger? Pretty difficult, right?

Now: How hard is it to find a first line RW who isn't even in the prime of his career yet?

That's why you don't move Eberle for a package centered on Simmonds, no matter how it's sweetened. Trading down, even to address need, hurts the team in the long-term.

There's a reason Chicago kept Patrick Kane and let Andrew Ladd and Dustin Byfuglien go. Because it's easier to find Bryan Bicekll and Brandon Saad than it is to find a new Patrick Kane (and, to quickly clarify - Eberle isn't Kane, but the point here is you keep the parts that really matter, not the ones that you can replace).

This makes a lot of sense but in the Oilers situation I don't think it applies. The Oilers have three first overall forwards. If we believe in Yakupov, which I know you do, then we don't need to hold on to Eberle for that "first line RW who hasn't entered the prime of his career yet" because that's Yak. Of course if Yakupov isn't that then your statement is correct. The biggest problem with the oilers isn't top end skill it's the depth. I don't think trading Eberle for upgrades in positions 4-7 is a bad idea.

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Interesting article, thanks JW.

First: I don't like trading Ebs. If it does happen, we need to get back top end talent. A true #1 Dman, even if we need picks or prospects to make it legit

Second: if Philly is considering Giroux in the deal, then we should look at other teams for a 3-way

NYR gets Giroux, Hemsky, Smid PHI gets Eberle, Del Zotto Edm gets McDonough, Simmonds

* I'm not really sure this is realistic - probably not. Draft picks and prospects could balance it out as needed. My proposal is less about the specifics, more about using Giroux as a piece to get a top defenseman... The OEL comment involving Giroux above seemed like a pretty good option to me.

Also, I don't know if McDonaugh is that guy - I'm just going on what I've read here over the last few days. My point is we need D or goaltending. If we trade Eb's, we'd better get a major upgrade in one of those areas.

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#97 Yaz
November 08 2013, 04:02PM
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No damn way we ever deal this guy especially from a position of weakness . We started the year with weak goaltending that haunts us and way too many injuries this early. Somebody suggested going back to the trap which would improve the defensive support , the swarm highlights all of our flaws including defence, goaltending, wrong players on the pk and bad coaching. Terrible idea .

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#98 Spoils
November 08 2013, 04:27PM
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I thought we needed a number one goalie and a number one DMan. Guess it would be hard to argue with Giroux, with his size and age (25).

Haven't seen enough of him, but I tend to think Ebs is more fun to watch.

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#99 Aaron van der Vaart
November 08 2013, 04:35PM
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Am I the only one who has been checking all over the internet if the Oilers have made trade or not?

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#100 michael
November 08 2013, 04:55PM
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Just to add fuel to this bonfire. If your the 28 other GM's in the league and your hearing that Eberle may be available how fast would you hit the speed dial to MacT ? If its me in Florida and I just fired my coach it would be pretty damn quick. Or if its Colorado? would you do a McKinnon for Eberle? Or how about if your if your Garth Snow? Just saying if this thing has legs it will probably turn into a bidding war faster than another Rob Ford video showing up on You Tube. This show is just getting started I think.

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