Report: Philadelphia Flyers inquire about Jordan Eberle

Jonathan Willis
November 08 2013 01:19PM

According to Tim Panaccio of CSN Philadelphia, the Flyers talked to the Oilers today about the possibility of acquiring Jordan Eberle.

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Is Eberle Tradable?

The short answer in my view: yes.

Nobody would deny the Oilers have significant problems. Those problems are so significant that it might be necessary to trade high-end talent from one position to add help at another position. It doesn’t make sense to so that with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, because he’s the only hope the team has as a first-line centre. It doesn’t make sense to do that with Taylor Hall, the best player on the team and the only elite talent at left wing.

That leaves right wing, where Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov both play. In the right deal, either of those guys is moveable – regardless of what the team says. That’s not to say that the team should shop either guy, or that they’re looking to move either of them, but a trade that makes the team better without robbing Peter to pay Paul is plausible, if the guy getting traded plays right wing.

Is Eberle Tradable to Philadelphia?

Again, the short answer in my view: yes.

But there’s a caveat attached. The player has to be a high-end talent right now. That means that no package of Braydon Coburn and/or Wayne Simmonds and/or Scott Hartnell and/or Luke Schenn and/or draft picks and prospects or whatever. Trading down to address immediate need is a good way to kneecap the Oilers long-term. So no third defencemen or big second-line wingers can form the core of a decent Eberle trade.

Does Philadelphia have the high-end talent? I think you can make a case for three players. I don’t think either Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier gets the job done right now. I have a lot of time for Couturier but I’m skeptical about his finishing ability and I think you can get more for Eberle on the open market. Schenn’s only a year younger than Eberle and significantly behind the same career curve.

That leaves Claude Giroux. Giroux is one of the best players in the game today, and for my money he’s a better player than Eberle by a nontrivial margin. He can play centre or wing. He doesn’t address the Oilers’ positional needs, but when an opportunity exists to trade in a very good player for a great player, it’s an opportunity that needs to be taken advantage of. For the Oilers, the possibility of having one line built on Giroux/Hall and another on Nugent-Hopkins/Yakupov long-term would have to be extremely tempting.

Does the opportunity exist? With any other team, I’d say ‘no’; with the Flyers it’s just ‘probably not.’ Giroux is getting killed by the percentages this year (his line is shooting at just over 5 percent and Philadelphia has a 0.875 save percentage with him on the ice at even-strength). The 11.5 percent career shooter has zero goals on 31 shots, as well as a minus-11 rating in 15 games. Most teams would rightly dismiss that as an aberration, but the Flyers are under tremendous pressure and have a history of making quick, franchise-altering moves.

If there’s an opportunity to acquire Claude Giroux, Eberle’s a justifiable cost. Otherwise, it’s hard to see a defensible deal here.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 Craig1981
November 08 2013, 04:58PM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

Wow Smid is traded. Decently Bold

I think everyone is wondering if something else is happening.

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#102 Ronin
November 08 2013, 04:59PM
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Edmonton Oilers have acquired centre Roman Horak and goaltender Laurent Brossoit from the Calgary Flames, in exchange for defencemen Ladislav Smid and goaltender Olivier Roy.

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#103 PapaMike
November 08 2013, 05:05PM
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Now if we can flush Bunz from the Oilers, we can start developing goalies

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#104 Rob...
November 08 2013, 05:07PM
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Sad to see Smid go from the standpoint that he played tough against the other team. He was having a bad year so far, but this doesn't help the whole Team Toughness thing. Hopefully there are more trades to come shortly.

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#105 camdog
November 08 2013, 05:08PM
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So they get rid of Smid and Brown, because they have too many contracts, not often you see a team that get's pushed around as much as the Oil unload any player with toughness?

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#106 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 08 2013, 05:20PM
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Looks like Feaster/Burke just fleeced MacT/Lowe. I hope I'm wrong.

At this point I'm actually not against signing Bryz to a 1-year. Best case scenario he regains some of his former magic. Worst case scenario, he sucks and gets turfed at the end of the year. Either way, I'm in the "season's over" camp, so may as well give it a shot. I'm looking forward to some Bryz interviews, the guy seems like a bit of a nut job.

To quote Bryz, "It's only a game. Why you heff to be mad?"

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November 08 2013, 05:22PM
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#108 #ThereGoesTheOilers
November 08 2013, 07:27PM
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Chris wrote:

Would Eberle + Gagner be an overpay for giroux?

Would you like to see Wayne write after a psychotic break?

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#109 StHenriOilBomb
November 08 2013, 01:59PM
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@Fresh Mess

Eberle, Hall, and Yakupov for CFP. FTFY.

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#110 Metal&Oil
November 08 2013, 02:03PM
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Before we make trades with huge long term implications like this we gotta clean out the suits at the top of this organization. I have no confidence whatsoever that Lowe/MacT can fix this thing.

Katz has his new arena all but locked up. It's time for him to man up and drop the AXE before these underachieving and egotistical(in Lowe's case') suits bring this train wreck past the point of no return.

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#111 Lochenzo
November 08 2013, 03:02PM
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The Swarm wrote:

Keep the roster as it is and change the system. How many goals have the Oilers scored off the cycle? How often do they have teams hemmed in their end? Not many on both counts, so why do they continually dump the puck in and hope their small forwards can retrieve it with any regularity?

I know MacT is loath to use the trap, but the last time I checked it seemed to work pretty well against Detroit back when they went to the finals.

If you have speedy, smallish, talented forwards you are far better off trapping and creating neutral zone turnovers. Most Oiler goals seem to be scored off the rush and this is exactly what you get when you trap - lots of odd man rushes. No one in the league can complete with the Oilers on their ability to finish odd man rushes, but you'd never know because they are too busy trying to stick check much larger D-men deep in the opponents end.

Screw the forecheck - it's high time Oilers trapped - one guy in, four guys back.

Willing to try anything at this point. And I've said it before, I've seen Quenneville get his Hawks to sit back in a 1-2-2 at times, though not often.

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#112 Lochenzo
November 08 2013, 03:06PM
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How about Guy Boucher's 1-3-1? It threw teams for a loop when the first saw it. No Western Conference team has implemented the 1-3-1 so it'd present the same quandry. Might be able to milk that for a while.

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#113 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 08 2013, 03:20PM
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I want B. Schenn, Couturier, and Simmons from Philly, but I'm not sure what to give up now. I was thinking Ebs, Gags and a first, but J-Dub has me wondering now. Ebs hasn't reached his prime and he's already got a 76 point season under his belt. This is why I'm not a GM...

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#114 Harry
November 08 2013, 03:42PM
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If edm is going to give up Eberle then they have to address one of there biggest needs. If Philly throws in Simmonds with Giroux the size need has been addressed. I love Eberle but the deal you proposed above would be very very good for Edm.

Now that I think more about it that pick will most likely have to be a first rounder

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#115 michael
November 08 2013, 04:25PM
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A thought. Downie was traded back to Philly about a week or more ago. Why do you trade for a Downie. You had him? An Eberle trade has some validity if your Philly and looking to restructure your team. 22 goals in 15 games does not add up to a hill of beans. Sure Philly has size and grit. Like LA. But you need finish also. LA wins because they get great goaltending and have enough finish with Kopitar,Richards and Carter.

Philly banked on Shenn,Courtier and Vorachek to provide them with the goals that they lost when they traded away Carter and Richards. Did not work out for them. Now they are floundering with 2-3 year players.

They got bigger but they lack finish and skill.

Eberle along with Giroux would help that team big time.

What the Oilers need from Philly may be pieces that they may turn into what they need now or in the future.

Philly has Colborn. Coutier.Simmonds. Picks and prospects.

The Oilers have Eberle. Hemsky. N.Shultz. Picks and prospects.

If its me doing the dealing I would love to have Simmonds. Colborn and a first round pick plus an A type prospect.

The money has to work for both sides. If I am GM I would make certain I make Holmgren overpay in picks plus the aforementioned players. Right now. Today. This moment Ed Snider could care less about picks and prospects that will help his team 5 years from now. His anger today is a huge sign for me that says that he is done with this group of players and wants to change his team for better or worse. Either way Holmgren is in a boat load of trouble.

The Oilers need what Philly has. Philly has what the Oilers need. Its a matter of who blinks first and is willing to pay the price.At the draft MacT told Holmgren NO. The tables have turned since then and I think MacT may now have the upper hand in a game of chicken.

The Oilers win tomorrow in Philly and Eberle gets 2 points it will be a fait de accompli.

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#116 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
November 08 2013, 04:27PM
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So edmonton Loses Hemsky, Smid and Eberle for Simmonds and McDonagh?

I dont think i'd do that deal..McDonagh is still pretty young and i'll admit i dont know a whole lot about him but i haven't heard he's much of a superstar defenseman.

I'll admit a lack of knowledge about McDonaugh. My point is still the same - I think Giroux gets us a 1D from a 3rd team, and I'm not sure Eberle does. The rangers seemed like a good example of a team who could benefit from Giroux. What if we look at it like this:

Team x gets Giroux+ Phi gets Eberle + Oil get top d-man

Picks, prospects, lower pairing D-men to round out the deal. Ideally we get a Simmonds (type) big winger as well.

That's what I'm trying to get at - only trade Ebs for a massive upgrade at D. My (bad?) example is just that; an example

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#117 Rama Lama
November 08 2013, 04:30PM
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@John Kirsch

I remember OV going through a drought last year( I believe it was 13 games) and all the pundits were saying he is finished??

I bet dollars to donuts Giroux is simply clutching his stick too hard ..........he got the "C", at far too young an age. He just cant relax enough.

I would give the Flyers all sorts of players to get him to our team......except Ebs, RNH, Hall.

We have an abundance of forwards so let's start culling.

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#118 Ronin
November 08 2013, 04:41PM
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Sounds like Oilers will sign Bryzgalov and will make a trade for a Dman

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#119 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 08 2013, 04:49PM
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Ronin wrote:

Smid traded

interdasting

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#120 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
November 08 2013, 04:51PM
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@Ronin

Impressive. Saw your post, checked tsn, oilers.com, and was listening to Gregor. You 'broke' this 10 min before any of my sources

While typing this, got an alert from tsn trade center app.

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#121 Lochenzo
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Smid salary out so Bryzgalov can be signed? I'm a big Smid fan too, so I really hope there is another component to this move.

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#122 Serious Gord
November 08 2013, 04:52PM
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SMid to cgy for prospects. Only part one clearly.

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#123 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 08 2013, 04:54PM
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Is this for real? I can't find anything on it.

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#124 Dan 1919
November 08 2013, 04:57PM
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Wow Smid is traded. Decently Bold

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#125 Ronin
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Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 1m Oilers-Bryzgalov discussions escalating. Edmonton had to move Smid money to make room for goalie.

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#126 Oiler Al
November 08 2013, 05:07PM
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Giroux is smaller, has a Cap hit of almost $3 million more and has never scored 30 goals in the NHL.Numbers are similar.. whats the point. We need a sniper, who can bury the puck on passes from Eberle.

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#127 Craig1981
November 08 2013, 05:10PM
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Just looking at stats this doesn't look like a great trade. I hope its a salary dump for someone better and not the Oilers brass being in love with a player just casue the know him from the Oiler Kings.....(see Ewanyk, Moroz)

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#128 PapaMike
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DSF wrote:

They're making room to take on a bad contract from Philly IMO.

Smid (3.5M) out and Mezaros ($4M) in.

The question is....what else?

Good grief, I hope not...

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