Report: Philadelphia Flyers inquire about Jordan Eberle

Jonathan Willis
November 08 2013 01:19PM

According to Tim Panaccio of CSN Philadelphia, the Flyers talked to the Oilers today about the possibility of acquiring Jordan Eberle.

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Is Eberle Tradable?

The short answer in my view: yes.

Nobody would deny the Oilers have significant problems. Those problems are so significant that it might be necessary to trade high-end talent from one position to add help at another position. It doesn’t make sense to so that with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, because he’s the only hope the team has as a first-line centre. It doesn’t make sense to do that with Taylor Hall, the best player on the team and the only elite talent at left wing.

That leaves right wing, where Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov both play. In the right deal, either of those guys is moveable – regardless of what the team says. That’s not to say that the team should shop either guy, or that they’re looking to move either of them, but a trade that makes the team better without robbing Peter to pay Paul is plausible, if the guy getting traded plays right wing.

Is Eberle Tradable to Philadelphia?

Again, the short answer in my view: yes.

But there’s a caveat attached. The player has to be a high-end talent right now. That means that no package of Braydon Coburn and/or Wayne Simmonds and/or Scott Hartnell and/or Luke Schenn and/or draft picks and prospects or whatever. Trading down to address immediate need is a good way to kneecap the Oilers long-term. So no third defencemen or big second-line wingers can form the core of a decent Eberle trade.

Does Philadelphia have the high-end talent? I think you can make a case for three players. I don’t think either Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier gets the job done right now. I have a lot of time for Couturier but I’m skeptical about his finishing ability and I think you can get more for Eberle on the open market. Schenn’s only a year younger than Eberle and significantly behind the same career curve.

That leaves Claude Giroux. Giroux is one of the best players in the game today, and for my money he’s a better player than Eberle by a nontrivial margin. He can play centre or wing. He doesn’t address the Oilers’ positional needs, but when an opportunity exists to trade in a very good player for a great player, it’s an opportunity that needs to be taken advantage of. For the Oilers, the possibility of having one line built on Giroux/Hall and another on Nugent-Hopkins/Yakupov long-term would have to be extremely tempting.

Does the opportunity exist? With any other team, I’d say ‘no’; with the Flyers it’s just ‘probably not.’ Giroux is getting killed by the percentages this year (his line is shooting at just over 5 percent and Philadelphia has a 0.875 save percentage with him on the ice at even-strength). The 11.5 percent career shooter has zero goals on 31 shots, as well as a minus-11 rating in 15 games. Most teams would rightly dismiss that as an aberration, but the Flyers are under tremendous pressure and have a history of making quick, franchise-altering moves.

If there’s an opportunity to acquire Claude Giroux, Eberle’s a justifiable cost. Otherwise, it’s hard to see a defensible deal here.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 D
November 08 2013, 01:26PM
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I feel Eberle for Giroux is a bad deal for the Oilers.

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#2 Fresh Mess
November 08 2013, 01:53PM
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Eberle, Hall and Yakupov for Chris Pronger.

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#3 Gusset
November 08 2013, 01:45PM
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If you think philly is trading giroux for eberle, you are crazy. That's a massive miscalculation of eberles ability. Giroux is on par with stamkos, malkin, Nash, etc. if philly is looking at eberle it's to play on a line with giroux to get him going. My take is cobourne would be the centre of the deal coming back

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#4 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 02:17PM
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I don't agree with you JW: If there was any hope in hell that we could land Simmonds and Coburn for Eberle, I'd do that in a heartbeat

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#5 Taylor Gang
November 08 2013, 02:34PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

How hard is it to find a big, second-line winger? Pretty difficult, right?

Now: How hard is it to find a first line RW who isn't even in the prime of his career yet?

That's why you don't move Eberle for a package centered on Simmonds, no matter how it's sweetened. Trading down, even to address need, hurts the team in the long-term.

There's a reason Chicago kept Patrick Kane and let Andrew Ladd and Dustin Byfuglien go. Because it's easier to find Bryan Bicekll and Brandon Saad than it is to find a new Patrick Kane (and, to quickly clarify - Eberle isn't Kane, but the point here is you keep the parts that really matter, not the ones that you can replace).

Normally I'd agree with you.

Unfortunately, we are in a position where the only thing with value on our team/we actually can afford to give up are pieces that nobody wants. As bad as it sounds, we might have no choice but to trade Ebs or someone else for pieces that round out the team better. If Ebs is the piece needed to get a great third liner and a top 4 defenseman, so be it.

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#6 Sidney Frosby
November 08 2013, 05:00PM
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Mac-T just traded Smid for my toilet plunger.....

Horrible move to make room for signing Bryz...

Mac-T wasted cap room and contracts on Labarbara and Grebeshkov.

I don't think this guy is cut out for this job.

If we didn't have god awful Ferrence, Grebeshkov, and Labarbie contracts, we could have moved Smid for a Willie Mitchell or Anton Volchenkov.

Sounds like we got Roman Horak and a ECHL goalie.

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#7 ubermiguel
November 08 2013, 01:26PM
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Make that deal.

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#8 Wohin gehst du?
November 08 2013, 01:44PM
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How good is Giroux without the puck in comparison to Eberle? Do you think maybe it could be something like:

Eberle, Omark, and 2nd Rounder for Giroux and Simmonds?

Obviously biased towards Oilers, but Paul Holmgren.

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#9 John Kirsch
November 08 2013, 02:23PM
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D wrote:

I feel Eberle for Giroux is a bad deal for the Oilers.

Claude is good player but Ebs is better. Epic hype by this author saying he is great or one of "the best players in the game today" really. Claude is living off his playoff performance with Pitt a couple years back. He has been in the league for 7 years now and has only scored 20 or more goals twice, and this year he is goalless.

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#10 The Swarm
November 08 2013, 02:43PM
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Keep the roster as it is and change the system. How many goals have the Oilers scored off the cycle? How often do they have teams hemmed in their end? Not many on both counts, so why do they continually dump the puck in and hope their small forwards can retrieve it with any regularity?

I know MacT is loath to use the trap, but the last time I checked it seemed to work pretty well against Detroit back when they went to the finals.

If you have speedy, smallish, talented forwards you are far better off trapping and creating neutral zone turnovers. Most Oiler goals seem to be scored off the rush and this is exactly what you get when you trap - lots of odd man rushes. No one in the league can complete with the Oilers on their ability to finish odd man rushes, but you'd never know because they are too busy trying to stick check much larger D-men deep in the opponents end.

Screw the forecheck - it's high time Oilers trapped - one guy in, four guys back.

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#11 hockeycrazed
November 08 2013, 02:01PM
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No! No! No! and No! Don't anybody move, keep your eyes on the ball!!! What is more pressing for the Oil? Goal Keep!!!! Goal-Keep!!! Goal-Keep! Unless you are overhauling the whole team, trading a forward for another forward is not going to change the fortunes for this team, albeit Eberle!?? He'd been the only constant in this Oiler team the past two years for crying out loud! He's probably had a bad game once in a while, and you gonna write him off?? No! not happening! If the Oil keep playing musical chair with their top players, they will forever be re-building, it's like covering 5 pots with four tops......

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#12 Taylor Gang
November 08 2013, 02:30PM
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Eberle for Coburn and Simmonds.

Get a legit top 4 defense option plus size in the top 9. One Joensuu gets back we have the best 3rd line in the NHL.

Book it

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#13 StHenriOilBomb
November 08 2013, 01:59PM
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@Fresh Mess

Eberle, Hall, and Yakupov for CFP. FTFY.

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#14 Primo
November 08 2013, 02:10PM
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Keep dreaming...as long as Kevin Lowe remains in charge nothing will happen, no improvement and the losses continue. I feel sorry for the young first overalls and they really need to get out of this loser environment badly.

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#15 YakupovFirst
November 08 2013, 02:24PM
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Yakupov is the first on of the young skill to go. Eberle is too important to EDM. Yakupov is the odd man out. Eakins is a retard and not the GM. If MacT got a offer he couldn't refuse than Yak is gone in a heartbeat.

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#16 Walter Sobchak
November 08 2013, 03:33PM
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For the record I would do the deal but............

I'm really concerned how Hall would view this? Would he be pissed? Would he end up going to Lowe and saying trade me too?

Once Gretzkey was traded you got the sense that it was only a matter of time before Messier would want out.

Once they traded Billy G you knew it was only time before Weight would go.

I see the same thing happening here.

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#18 Slats
November 08 2013, 05:22PM
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If Mac T is prying loose parts out of Calgary and looking for Goalie help with talks to Bryz-man then try and get Kipper's agent on the phone with a promise he can get on Finnish Olympic Team!

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#19 Chris
November 08 2013, 06:56PM
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Would Eberle + Gagner be an overpay for giroux?

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#20 kawi460
November 08 2013, 01:30PM
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I wonder if Flyers would move Giroux?

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#21 The Swarm
November 08 2013, 02:28PM
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Let's face it, if the Oilers received average goaltending this season (say closer to .920) we would not be talking about the rest of the roster and a failed rebuild, so please don't consider breaking up the core on account of 1 month of shoddy goaltending. Fix the goaltending situation by offering future picks.

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#22 PaperDesigner
November 08 2013, 02:48PM
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What about a possibility where you trade Giroux to another team for a proven, young top end defenceman? Would Phoenix part with Ekman-Larsson if one of the league's elite offensive talents is on the table?

It would look like: To Philly: Eberle To Edmonton: Ekman-Larsson To Phoenix: Giroux

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#23 laughing pug
November 08 2013, 01:30PM
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I'm sobbing uncontrollably with my knees pulled up to my chin, but I keep mouthing the words "do it..." Oh god I hate myself.

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#24 Shredder
November 08 2013, 01:59PM
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Bold? Yes. Upgrade? Slightly. Addressing our needs? No.

Seriously, can we start looking at trades that are going to be guys that we need? A big winger in Simmonds? Makes more sense...maybe we don't get the best player, but it addresses a need. So let's add to it...

Or maybe this is just like the Rangers rumors.

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#25 Smokey
November 08 2013, 02:00PM
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Any deal with Philly for Eberle begins with a center. They got no defence we want. I don't buy its Giroux, because getting rid of him puts Philly in full rebuild mode, and they are trying to augment their lineup with a sniper and shake things up. Any deal for an elite center you would have to make in heartbeat. Giroux has been off this year, but he was essentially a lock to play for team Canada.

I'd do Eberle and a defenceman and prospect for Simmonds and Couturier. Other then that I don't see hypotheticals worth discussing. Eberle plus parts for Giroux would be unreal. Doubt it would happen. I'd stop saying fire Kevin Lowe for at least a.week.

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#26 Dallylamma
November 08 2013, 02:01PM
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If I'm Philly I don't trade Giroux for our sweet boy Jordan straight up...and I'm almost as gay for Eberle as Wayne is...unless Giroux has demanded a trade or something and they are just trying to move him out ASAP.

However, if Giroux and Eberle are the centerpieces of a multi-player deal it might work great for both teams.

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#27 CaptainLander
November 08 2013, 02:11PM
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Couturier, Simmonds, Coburn --> Ebs, Arcobello, Smid

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#28 Rama Lama
November 08 2013, 03:02PM
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I would trade Eberle.........but only if we got a top 2 defenseman, prospect, and a first round draft choice.

Give them Duby, Omark, and a prospect to round out the deal.

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#29 Lochenzo
November 08 2013, 03:06PM
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How about Guy Boucher's 1-3-1? It threw teams for a loop when the first saw it. No Western Conference team has implemented the 1-3-1 so it'd present the same quandry. Might be able to milk that for a while.

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#30 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 08 2013, 03:10PM
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PaperDesigner wrote:

What about a possibility where you trade Giroux to another team for a proven, young top end defenceman? Would Phoenix part with Ekman-Larsson if one of the league's elite offensive talents is on the table?

It would look like: To Philly: Eberle To Edmonton: Ekman-Larsson To Phoenix: Giroux

This bears repeating!

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#31 michael
November 08 2013, 04:55PM
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Just to add fuel to this bonfire. If your the 28 other GM's in the league and your hearing that Eberle may be available how fast would you hit the speed dial to MacT ? If its me in Florida and I just fired my coach it would be pretty damn quick. Or if its Colorado? would you do a McKinnon for Eberle? Or how about if your if your Garth Snow? Just saying if this thing has legs it will probably turn into a bidding war faster than another Rob Ford video showing up on You Tube. This show is just getting started I think.

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#32 Bishai in the Benches
November 08 2013, 01:26PM
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There goes Jonathan Willis' job...

Unless the rumours are true and Wanye writes every article from his mom's basement, under different pseudonyms

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#33 mlcselli
November 08 2013, 01:38PM
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OMG--what a dilemma we have if there is substance to this. We all agree something has to be done. If we think of the player, we want Eberle with us; but if we think of the team, we need some improvements. Definitely can't go wrong with Giroux in the lineup. Can't decide if #14 is worth the sacrifice. If I had to make the decision, I have to give the team a chance to win and a goal tender would be coming here.

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#34 StHenriOilBomb
November 08 2013, 01:58PM
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Gusset wrote:

If you think philly is trading giroux for eberle, you are crazy. That's a massive miscalculation of eberles ability. Giroux is on par with stamkos, malkin, Nash, etc. if philly is looking at eberle it's to play on a line with giroux to get him going. My take is cobourne would be the centre of the deal coming back

Edmonton would have to add something to the deal, but it's not nearly as large of a gap as it would be for Stamkos or Malkin.

Neither Giroux or Nash (who I'd rate a tad below Giroux) are close to Stams or Geno.

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#35 Metal&Oil
November 08 2013, 02:03PM
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Before we make trades with huge long term implications like this we gotta clean out the suits at the top of this organization. I have no confidence whatsoever that Lowe/MacT can fix this thing.

Katz has his new arena all but locked up. It's time for him to man up and drop the AXE before these underachieving and egotistical(in Lowe's case') suits bring this train wreck past the point of no return.

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#36 Kosmo Kraemer
November 08 2013, 02:03PM
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The area of most need is the defense. The Oilers will grab another goalie, who of course will not live up to his billing, one who will be worse than Dubes. Then the whining will continue and none of the problems will be fixed.

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#37 war
November 08 2013, 02:12PM
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eberle+j.schultz for coutourier and giroux!

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#38 fig pucker
November 08 2013, 02:35PM
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philly has a history of tradeing grade "a" talent just before their big contract kicks in. giroux's 8 yr 62.2 million dollar contract starts in the 2014-15 season. two guys on the kings roster have been down this road before. i hope this deal happens.

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#39 MessyEH!
November 08 2013, 02:35PM
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Now, I wonder how many other teams are pitching offers on Eberle.

I have said it here several times before. Eberle is the piece, that brings the rest of the pieces. I don't like it. I love 14. But tough decisions need to be made.

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#40 Oilfan
November 08 2013, 02:53PM
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If it was me that had to choose, id rather trade Yak.

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#41 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 08 2013, 03:20PM
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I want B. Schenn, Couturier, and Simmons from Philly, but I'm not sure what to give up now. I was thinking Ebs, Gags and a first, but J-Dub has me wondering now. Ebs hasn't reached his prime and he's already got a 76 point season under his belt. This is why I'm not a GM...

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#42 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
November 08 2013, 03:24PM
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Interesting article, thanks JW.

First: I don't like trading Ebs. If it does happen, we need to get back top end talent. A true #1 Dman, even if we need picks or prospects to make it legit

Second: if Philly is considering Giroux in the deal, then we should look at other teams for a 3-way

NYR gets Giroux, Hemsky, Smid PHI gets Eberle, Del Zotto Edm gets McDonough, Simmonds

* I'm not really sure this is realistic - probably not. Draft picks and prospects could balance it out as needed. My proposal is less about the specifics, more about using Giroux as a piece to get a top defenseman... The OEL comment involving Giroux above seemed like a pretty good option to me.

Also, I don't know if McDonaugh is that guy - I'm just going on what I've read here over the last few days. My point is we need D or goaltending. If we trade Eb's, we'd better get a major upgrade in one of those areas.

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#43 Jj
November 08 2013, 06:30PM
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Please don't do it! To big of cap hit, or else not enough return. IMO ebs is a great player who's only gonna get better.

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#44 bdiddy18
November 08 2013, 01:36PM
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the push come to shove moment and all oiler fans cave ....no BOLD no! ..its ok lets not do it!

DO IT - Giroux welcome to Edmonton.

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#45 gongshow
November 08 2013, 01:49PM
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I love Ebs, but please let this be true.

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#46 Toro
November 08 2013, 02:08PM
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Eberle & Smid for Coburn , Simmonds , B.Schenn/ Couturier.... Too much NHL 14 for me? Or Plausable

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#48 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 02:32PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I'm sure that's how Mike Milbury felt when he swapped Luongo for Parrish and Kvasha.

Cherry picking a deal done by a failure of a GM, doesn't really support your position.

Team needs are team needs. If MacT determines that a bigger scoring winger and a top 4 D man are more crucial to team success than 1 small scoring winger, then i wouldn't be surprised if he makes that deal. Personally i think the flyers would say HELL NO to a Eberle for Simmonds/Coburn deal but i can't be certain of that as i dont get to sit in on the conference calls.

Eberle + Picks for Giroux is just more of the same.. Except Giroux comes with an 8.275 caphit starting right quick here.. And that kind of scratch is attrocious considering the team still needs a #1/2 D and a true #1 goalie.

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#49 Old School G
November 08 2013, 02:57PM
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Wayne Simmonds is a whole lot of exactly what we need BUT we should not have to give up Eberle to get him. MacT we're waiting for something here. Give the Oilers faithful something to be excited about we deserve it.

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#50 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 03:27PM
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Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe! wrote:

Interesting article, thanks JW.

First: I don't like trading Ebs. If it does happen, we need to get back top end talent. A true #1 Dman, even if we need picks or prospects to make it legit

Second: if Philly is considering Giroux in the deal, then we should look at other teams for a 3-way

NYR gets Giroux, Hemsky, Smid PHI gets Eberle, Del Zotto Edm gets McDonough, Simmonds

* I'm not really sure this is realistic - probably not. Draft picks and prospects could balance it out as needed. My proposal is less about the specifics, more about using Giroux as a piece to get a top defenseman... The OEL comment involving Giroux above seemed like a pretty good option to me.

Also, I don't know if McDonaugh is that guy - I'm just going on what I've read here over the last few days. My point is we need D or goaltending. If we trade Eb's, we'd better get a major upgrade in one of those areas.

So edmonton Loses Hemsky, Smid and Eberle for Simmonds and McDonagh?

I dont think i'd do that deal..McDonagh is still pretty young and i'll admit i dont know a whole lot about him but i haven't heard he's much of a superstar defenseman.

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