Report: Philadelphia Flyers inquire about Jordan Eberle

Jonathan Willis
November 08 2013 01:19PM

According to Tim Panaccio of CSN Philadelphia, the Flyers talked to the Oilers today about the possibility of acquiring Jordan Eberle.

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Is Eberle Tradable?

The short answer in my view: yes.

Nobody would deny the Oilers have significant problems. Those problems are so significant that it might be necessary to trade high-end talent from one position to add help at another position. It doesn’t make sense to so that with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, because he’s the only hope the team has as a first-line centre. It doesn’t make sense to do that with Taylor Hall, the best player on the team and the only elite talent at left wing.

That leaves right wing, where Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov both play. In the right deal, either of those guys is moveable – regardless of what the team says. That’s not to say that the team should shop either guy, or that they’re looking to move either of them, but a trade that makes the team better without robbing Peter to pay Paul is plausible, if the guy getting traded plays right wing.

Is Eberle Tradable to Philadelphia?

Again, the short answer in my view: yes.

But there’s a caveat attached. The player has to be a high-end talent right now. That means that no package of Braydon Coburn and/or Wayne Simmonds and/or Scott Hartnell and/or Luke Schenn and/or draft picks and prospects or whatever. Trading down to address immediate need is a good way to kneecap the Oilers long-term. So no third defencemen or big second-line wingers can form the core of a decent Eberle trade.

Does Philadelphia have the high-end talent? I think you can make a case for three players. I don’t think either Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier gets the job done right now. I have a lot of time for Couturier but I’m skeptical about his finishing ability and I think you can get more for Eberle on the open market. Schenn’s only a year younger than Eberle and significantly behind the same career curve.

That leaves Claude Giroux. Giroux is one of the best players in the game today, and for my money he’s a better player than Eberle by a nontrivial margin. He can play centre or wing. He doesn’t address the Oilers’ positional needs, but when an opportunity exists to trade in a very good player for a great player, it’s an opportunity that needs to be taken advantage of. For the Oilers, the possibility of having one line built on Giroux/Hall and another on Nugent-Hopkins/Yakupov long-term would have to be extremely tempting.

Does the opportunity exist? With any other team, I’d say ‘no’; with the Flyers it’s just ‘probably not.’ Giroux is getting killed by the percentages this year (his line is shooting at just over 5 percent and Philadelphia has a 0.875 save percentage with him on the ice at even-strength). The 11.5 percent career shooter has zero goals on 31 shots, as well as a minus-11 rating in 15 games. Most teams would rightly dismiss that as an aberration, but the Flyers are under tremendous pressure and have a history of making quick, franchise-altering moves.

If there’s an opportunity to acquire Claude Giroux, Eberle’s a justifiable cost. Otherwise, it’s hard to see a defensible deal here.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Mr common sense
November 08 2013, 03:48PM
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Steve Ott, Wayne Simmonds, Brandon Dubinsky. Get these 3 players and the midgets will shine.

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#52 Dan 1919
November 08 2013, 04:57PM
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Wow Smid is traded. Decently Bold

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#53 Batfink
November 08 2013, 05:07PM
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OMG what a terrible trade. How many times, you DO NOT make stupid trades in your own division. Especially to them D1cKz down the QE2. I hope Smid is a sleeper and destroys the flames from the inside.

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#54 Serious Gord
November 08 2013, 05:13PM
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Prior to the beginning of the season and very early on in the season I suggested getting Bryz and was chided by Gregor on the radio (and stauffer too?). Now it looks like they might but I oppose it.

The horse is now out of the barn - the season is lost. Bryz is a bandaid at best for this Season only and trading players with futures longer than one year for a sub-one year impact is panic-driven idiocy.

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#55 james_dean
November 08 2013, 05:37PM
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In breeze we trust!

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#56 steelymac
November 08 2013, 01:44PM
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I really like Vorachek.

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#57 BLAKPOO
November 08 2013, 01:52PM
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laughing pug wrote:

I'm sobbing uncontrollably with my knees pulled up to my chin, but I keep mouthing the words "do it..." Oh god I hate myself.

Consider this reply an extra 'props'

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#58 Hemmercules
November 08 2013, 01:54PM
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No way that trade happens straight across. I could see a package deal involving both players maybe, but still a long shot. I don't know if I could handle seeing Ebs in another jersey.

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#59 Hemmercules
November 08 2013, 02:09PM
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The entire league knows the Oilers are looking for help/upgrades. Just because Philly put in a call about Ebs doesn't mean anything. My guess is Mact is taking calls daily about lots of his players. The only reason this is news is because philly makes unexpected trades sometimes.

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#60 ubermiguel
November 08 2013, 02:11PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Why in the heck would Philly trade giroux for eberle??

They really shouldn't make that deal. Willis is saying he's the only player on their roster worth an Eberle.

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#62 BLAKPOO
November 08 2013, 02:12PM
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Smokey wrote:

Any deal with Philly for Eberle begins with a center. They got no defence we want. I don't buy its Giroux, because getting rid of him puts Philly in full rebuild mode, and they are trying to augment their lineup with a sniper and shake things up. Any deal for an elite center you would have to make in heartbeat. Giroux has been off this year, but he was essentially a lock to play for team Canada.

I'd do Eberle and a defenceman and prospect for Simmonds and Couturier. Other then that I don't see hypotheticals worth discussing. Eberle plus parts for Giroux would be unreal. Doubt it would happen. I'd stop saying fire Kevin Lowe for at least a.week.

I'd do Eberle and a defenceman and prospect for Simmonds and Couturier.

I stopped reading after this.

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#63 Oiler in Van
November 08 2013, 02:16PM
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What if Eberle was on a piese of this trade. Yes trading high end forwards would not help each team. Maybe it is a multi player trade

Eberle, Smid, Marincin, 2nd

Giroux, Simmonds,+ prospect

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#64 war
November 08 2013, 02:21PM
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make a dam trade already!(as long as hall,hopkins,perron and gordon stay)

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#65 Dumb
November 08 2013, 02:27PM
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John Kirsch wrote:

Claude is good player but Ebs is better. Epic hype by this author saying he is great or one of "the best players in the game today" really. Claude is living off his playoff performance with Pitt a couple years back. He has been in the league for 7 years now and has only scored 20 or more goals twice, and this year he is goalless.

Giroux has been in the league for 3 1/2 seasons actually. Retard.

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#66 Taylor Gang
November 08 2013, 02:36PM
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A-Mc wrote:

Cherry picking a deal done by a failure of a GM, doesn't really support your position.

Team needs are team needs. If MacT determines that a bigger scoring winger and a top 4 D man are more crucial to team success than 1 small scoring winger, then i wouldn't be surprised if he makes that deal. Personally i think the flyers would say HELL NO to a Eberle for Simmonds/Coburn deal but i can't be certain of that as i dont get to sit in on the conference calls.

Eberle + Picks for Giroux is just more of the same.. Except Giroux comes with an 8.275 caphit starting right quick here.. And that kind of scratch is attrocious considering the team still needs a #1/2 D and a true #1 goalie.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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#67 Dog Train
November 08 2013, 02:38PM
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Philly doesn't have much that interests me. I wouldn't be too interested in a package right now as we are close to the contract cap and have a bit of a logjam up front and on the blueline. If anything we are the team that is ready to put a package together for an upgrade.

I'm not a big fan of either of the Schenn brothers, never have been. Couturier is intriguing but I'm not sold on whether he will be a 2nd line centre or just a really good 3rd line guy. Giroux is obviously off to a terrible start but not long ago he was considered a top 10 talent in the entire league.

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#68 Towersofdub
November 08 2013, 02:38PM
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yeah...edmonton needs a #1 defenseman, and apparently some goaltending, before they need Claude Giroux...decent player he may be, but with him,or without him, that third goal still goes in last night.

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#69 Eddie Shore
November 08 2013, 02:58PM
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From Tim Panaccio's twitter...

@tpanotchCSN: The Flyers can ask for Eberle all they want ... the guy they can get back from EDM is really Ales Hemsky

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#70 Lochenzo
November 08 2013, 03:02PM
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The Swarm wrote:

Keep the roster as it is and change the system. How many goals have the Oilers scored off the cycle? How often do they have teams hemmed in their end? Not many on both counts, so why do they continually dump the puck in and hope their small forwards can retrieve it with any regularity?

I know MacT is loath to use the trap, but the last time I checked it seemed to work pretty well against Detroit back when they went to the finals.

If you have speedy, smallish, talented forwards you are far better off trapping and creating neutral zone turnovers. Most Oiler goals seem to be scored off the rush and this is exactly what you get when you trap - lots of odd man rushes. No one in the league can complete with the Oilers on their ability to finish odd man rushes, but you'd never know because they are too busy trying to stick check much larger D-men deep in the opponents end.

Screw the forecheck - it's high time Oilers trapped - one guy in, four guys back.

Willing to try anything at this point. And I've said it before, I've seen Quenneville get his Hawks to sit back in a 1-2-2 at times, though not often.

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#71 Number99
November 08 2013, 03:09PM
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@Dumb

Dude, no need for derogatory comments, just talk hockey.

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#72 Citizen David
November 08 2013, 03:17PM
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An Eberle for Giroux deal is just running in place while taking a worse contract. I do think there's a possibility Giroux can be a consistent elite player in the NHL putting up 90 points but so far I would only bet on him to be consistent at 70-80. It's a trade we could win, but if we're trading Eberle it should be for a top pairing D or a massive package. Philly doesn't have the D so it would have to be Couturier+ Schenn+

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#73 OilDieHard
November 08 2013, 03:39PM
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Old School G wrote:

Wayne Simmonds is a whole lot of exactly what we need BUT we should not have to give up Eberle to get him. MacT we're waiting for something here. Give the Oilers faithful something to be excited about we deserve it.

^for sure! how long do we as fans continue to pay big bucks at Rexall to watch this team continue to lose?

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#74 John Kirsch
November 08 2013, 03:55PM
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@Taylor Gang

Claude Giroux hasn't scored in 21 games, dating back to last season.

Think about that.

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#75 Shredder
November 08 2013, 04:10PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

How hard is it to find a big, second-line winger? Pretty difficult, right?

Now: How hard is it to find a first line RW who isn't even in the prime of his career yet?

That's why you don't move Eberle for a package centered on Simmonds, no matter how it's sweetened. Trading down, even to address need, hurts the team in the long-term.

There's a reason Chicago kept Patrick Kane and let Andrew Ladd and Dustin Byfuglien go. Because it's easier to find Bryan Bicekll and Brandon Saad than it is to find a new Patrick Kane (and, to quickly clarify - Eberle isn't Kane, but the point here is you keep the parts that really matter, not the ones that you can replace).

Let me just start this post by saying that Eberle is a guy I'd like to keep, and him and Nuge are the 2 I'd build around over other parts...

Now that being said, if we have an abundance of the same thing, but need a different mix, then we have to trade pieces that are going to seem like we're giving up the best player. I guess the debate is which guy of Hall/Nuge/Ebs/Gags/Yak/Schultz to we get rid of. Which ones are parts that really matter as you say? I'd say Ebs is as tradeable as any of them. What's the return? Well it has to be of equal or greater value than what you're giving up. Simmonds may be of lesser value...but if the combo of top 6 forward with size is so easy, why are we having so much trouble getting it? It seems we're having an easier time getting guys like Ebs than guys like Simmonds. Why are guys like Clarkson getting so much in free trade? There's a value that isn't measureable in just offensive stats (or advanced stats), and that physical stats goes a bit further.

Boston clearly lost the Joe Thornton trade. Who has had the better chance at winning the cup since then? Maybe there's more to these bit pieces than we think. If we were to acquire enough of these bit pieces, that are going to be part of the team long enough, that end up fixing the 3rd and 4th lines or defensive pairings...wouldn't it be worth it?

Everything has a price, and while I wouldn't target Eberle to ship out of town, if there was a deal around Simmonds + + + that had good value to the Oilers, and made them a better 'team' - then I'd do it.

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#76 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
November 08 2013, 04:27PM
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A-Mc wrote:

So edmonton Loses Hemsky, Smid and Eberle for Simmonds and McDonagh?

I dont think i'd do that deal..McDonagh is still pretty young and i'll admit i dont know a whole lot about him but i haven't heard he's much of a superstar defenseman.

I'll admit a lack of knowledge about McDonaugh. My point is still the same - I think Giroux gets us a 1D from a 3rd team, and I'm not sure Eberle does. The rangers seemed like a good example of a team who could benefit from Giroux. What if we look at it like this:

Team x gets Giroux+ Phi gets Eberle + Oil get top d-man

Picks, prospects, lower pairing D-men to round out the deal. Ideally we get a Simmonds (type) big winger as well.

That's what I'm trying to get at - only trade Ebs for a massive upgrade at D. My (bad?) example is just that; an example

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#77 GTL
November 08 2013, 04:28PM
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I'm so sick of oiler drama

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#78 Katzhater
November 08 2013, 04:35PM
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Trade j Schultz. Some idiot gm may pay more than he is worth. Emphasis on may. Use return for him to get what you really need.

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#79 Aaron van der Vaart
November 08 2013, 04:35PM
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Am I the only one who has been checking all over the internet if the Oilers have made trade or not?

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#80 Ronin
November 08 2013, 05:05PM
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Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 1m Oilers-Bryzgalov discussions escalating. Edmonton had to move Smid money to make room for goalie.

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#81 Oiler Al
November 08 2013, 05:07PM
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Giroux is smaller, has a Cap hit of almost $3 million more and has never scored 30 goals in the NHL.Numbers are similar.. whats the point. We need a sniper, who can bury the puck on passes from Eberle.

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#82 Slats
November 08 2013, 05:22PM
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If Mac T is prying loose parts out of Calgary and looking for Goalie help with talks to Bryz-man then try and get Kipper's agent on the phone with a promise he can get on Finnish Olympic Team!

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#83 Alsker
November 08 2013, 05:50PM
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@Slats

I think we got the point the first time...sheeesh

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#84 michael
November 08 2013, 06:22PM
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@Slats. If this was on purpose Robin should ban you. Rude.

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#85 Mikey
November 08 2013, 07:23PM
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Chris wrote:

Would Eberle + Gagner be an overpay for giroux?

I think so. Partially because you are trading two for one, when we need actual nhl players

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#86 Eulers
November 08 2013, 01:22PM
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Wanye is going to freak...

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#87 RexHolez
November 08 2013, 01:48PM
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Why in the heck would Philly trade giroux for eberle??

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#88 camdog
November 08 2013, 02:01PM
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@mlcselli

Giroux at 8.3 million until the year 2022 is not a "can't go wrong" move.

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#89 Geoff
November 08 2013, 02:01PM
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Why would philly even trade Giroux? Wouldn't the whole point of getting ebs in philly would be to play with giroux?

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#90 Chongler
November 08 2013, 02:06PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Eberle, Hall and Yakupov for Chris Pronger.

The Oilers basically did trade Pronger for Eberle & Smid (And I guess eventually Eager)...Does this count?

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#91 StHenriOilBomb
November 08 2013, 02:28PM
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Shredder wrote:

Bold? Yes. Upgrade? Slightly. Addressing our needs? No.

Seriously, can we start looking at trades that are going to be guys that we need? A big winger in Simmonds? Makes more sense...maybe we don't get the best player, but it addresses a need. So let's add to it...

Or maybe this is just like the Rangers rumors.

hold on. Are you suggesting that the Oilers don't need to increase their center depth?

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#92 Greasy Goal
November 08 2013, 02:28PM
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Is Claude Giroux worth the 8.275 mill per year? Some would say no. However, being in the West I havent been able to see him play on a nightly bases and I do know what he does when playoffs roll around. Im torn between pulling the deal and shaking things up and keeping what we have and looking for a number 1 D-man. Ps.I know that if a deal is made that the Oilers will be able to make another, but it will be more difficult to find that #1 guy on defense with one less piece on the table.

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#93 CaptainLander
November 08 2013, 02:33PM
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The Swarm wrote:

Let's face it, if the Oilers received average goaltending this season (say closer to .920) we would not be talking about the rest of the roster and a failed rebuild, so please don't consider breaking up the core on account of 1 month of shoddy goaltending. Fix the goaltending situation by offering future picks.

I can accept this.

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#94 A-Mc
November 08 2013, 02:33PM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

hold on. Are you suggesting that the Oilers don't need to increase their center depth?

Not their small center depth.. We need a big one, and Giroux is far from big at 5'11 172lbs (as per nhl.com).

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#95 Taylor Gang
November 08 2013, 02:39PM
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The Swarm wrote:

Let's face it, if the Oilers received average goaltending this season (say closer to .920) we would not be talking about the rest of the roster and a failed rebuild, so please don't consider breaking up the core on account of 1 month of shoddy goaltending. Fix the goaltending situation by offering future picks.

At this point in the rebuild, one must ask: do we need any more young talent on the roster? In other words, I could go for that. That being said, I feel that people see the way that Edmonton is heading and probably wouldn't want to take just a 1st rounder for instance. Add in the fact that Edmonton is desperate for goaltending and the situation becomes even more frustrating.

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#96 Lochenzo
November 08 2013, 02:47PM
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How about Jakub Voracek? That class of 2007 had a great year last year. Sam Gagner, Voracek, JVR, Pat Kane had a bounce back year.

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#97 The Swarm
November 08 2013, 02:49PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

At this point in the rebuild, one must ask: do we need any more young talent on the roster? In other words, I could go for that. That being said, I feel that people see the way that Edmonton is heading and probably wouldn't want to take just a 1st rounder for instance. Add in the fact that Edmonton is desperate for goaltending and the situation becomes even more frustrating.

At this rate, a first rounder from the Oilers is gold.

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#98 Oilfan
November 08 2013, 02:55PM
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Dog Train wrote:

Philly doesn't have much that interests me. I wouldn't be too interested in a package right now as we are close to the contract cap and have a bit of a logjam up front and on the blueline. If anything we are the team that is ready to put a package together for an upgrade.

I'm not a big fan of either of the Schenn brothers, never have been. Couturier is intriguing but I'm not sold on whether he will be a 2nd line centre or just a really good 3rd line guy. Giroux is obviously off to a terrible start but not long ago he was considered a top 10 talent in the entire league.

Giroux was generally listed in the top 5 not so long ago.

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#99 Harry
November 08 2013, 03:22PM
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Wohin gehst du? wrote:

How good is Giroux without the puck in comparison to Eberle? Do you think maybe it could be something like:

Eberle, Omark, and 2nd Rounder for Giroux and Simmonds?

Obviously biased towards Oilers, but Paul Holmgren.

If edm is going to give up Eberle then they have to address one of there biggest needs. If Philly throws in Simmonds with Giroux the size need has been addressed. I love Eberle but the deal you proposed above would be very very good for Edm.

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#100 Citizen David
November 08 2013, 03:24PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

How hard is it to find a big, second-line winger? Pretty difficult, right?

Now: How hard is it to find a first line RW who isn't even in the prime of his career yet?

That's why you don't move Eberle for a package centered on Simmonds, no matter how it's sweetened. Trading down, even to address need, hurts the team in the long-term.

There's a reason Chicago kept Patrick Kane and let Andrew Ladd and Dustin Byfuglien go. Because it's easier to find Bryan Bicekll and Brandon Saad than it is to find a new Patrick Kane (and, to quickly clarify - Eberle isn't Kane, but the point here is you keep the parts that really matter, not the ones that you can replace).

This makes a lot of sense but in the Oilers situation I don't think it applies. The Oilers have three first overall forwards. If we believe in Yakupov, which I know you do, then we don't need to hold on to Eberle for that "first line RW who hasn't entered the prime of his career yet" because that's Yak. Of course if Yakupov isn't that then your statement is correct. The biggest problem with the oilers isn't top end skill it's the depth. I don't think trading Eberle for upgrades in positions 4-7 is a bad idea.

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