DESPERATION ON DISPLAY

Robin Brownlee
November 09 2013 12:17AM

As the losses have mounted through 17 games, the demand by fans of the Edmonton Oilers that GM Craig MacTavish DO SOMETHING to change the fortunes of the team have grown louder by the day.

MacTavish gave those fans what they wanted Friday, sending hard-nosed and popular but limited defenseman Ladislav Smid and Olivier Roy down Highway 2 to the Calgary Flames for prospects, MacTavish followed that up by signing Ilya Bryzgalov to a one-year contract.

Yes, Ilya Bryzgalov, the goaltender the Philadelphia Flyers just paid $23 million to not play for them two years after signing him to a ridiculous nine-year contract worth $51 million. Ilya Bryzgalov, the oh-so flakey laugh riot, Knob Hockey hero and dressing room distraction represented by Edmonton agent Ritch Winter. That Ilya Bryzgalov.

With the Oilers floundering at 4-11-2 and staring at an eighth straight year out of the playoffs less than two weeks into November during a season in which MacTavish and new coach Dallas Eakins have over-promised and under-delivered, these aren't the bold moves MacTavish talked about when he took over the chair formerly occupied by Steve Tambellini.

This is desperation on display.

AN UPGRADE?

Make no mistake, Devan Dubnyk left the door wide open for MacTavish to make a deal to address his goaltending – forced his hand, actually – with an absolutely abysmal performance so far this season. That's on him.

The last straw, obviously, came in a 4-2 loss to the Tampa Bay Lightning in a game the Oilers played more than well enough to win. That's been the storyline more than once this season, one repeated often enough that the upgrades MacTavish has made to the roster on paper haven’t translated to the standings. How could MacTavish stand pat?

Fair question, even if dealing from a position of weakness almost never turns out well. But Bryzgalov, now 33 and coming off back-to-back seasons with save percentages of .909 in 2011-12 and .900 in 2012-13? Bryzgalov, whose career save percentage of .913 on good, bad an indifferent teams is a wash with the .911 posted by Dubnyk, including his horrid start to this season and a career spent on a bottom-feeder team?

I'd argue, and did on Twitter, shunting Dubnyk aside is like deciding to trade in your old Ford because it isn't reliable enough, then replacing it with a Lada that's six model years older. In terms of actual performance, I don’t see it as a clear upgrade. Then, there's the flake factor with a player who has had dubious chemistry with teammates in the past.

WHAT'S THE PUNCHLINE?

Bryzgalov, to understate, has some quirks. He's out there. He tends to fill the notepads of reporters -- never a bad thing for those who work the beat – and wear on the patience of teammates. Bryzgalov, you might remember, once compared Edmonton to the North Pole when talking about why Anaheim teammate Chris Pronger might have wanted out of Edmonton.

"He (Pronger) maybe tried to leave here because here in November months is a minus-32," Bryzgalov said in an interview with The Score. "Could you imagine? It’s eight months in a year of snow."

Might Bryzgalov push Dubnyk to be better or even displace him as the starter if he can reverse the slide in his performance of the past two seasons? I think it's unlikely, but it's possible, I suppose. Is it a big gamble? Not really, at least in terms of money, reported to be $1.75 million, or term.

Still, it strikes me as an ill-conceived signing brought on by another season off the rails because it wasn't supposed to unfold like this again. It's a just-do-something -- ANYTHING, dammit -- move. A distinct hint of panic over a plan gone wrong. It's desperation on display.

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#51 Jay Gray
November 09 2013, 12:57AM
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Clearly the price was too high to obtain a #1 goalie by trade. It would've been nice to get Lehner, Gibson, etc, but not at the price I'm sure their gm's are asking. Something had to be done and I'm fine with signing Bryz. 1.75m is a very reasonable, low risk deal.

I've loved Ladi's dedication and sacrifice, but the young guys are knocking at the door, bodies have to move to make room. Was happy to see Brossoit come back in the deal.

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#52 stubblejumper99
November 09 2013, 01:10AM
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At least it wasn't Ebs....have said so many

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#53 watkinator
November 09 2013, 01:27AM
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I like that karma has come back to bite Bryz in the backside and I respect the crow he's eating right now for it. Hope he turns things around for his sake and the Oilers.

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#54 mlcselli
November 09 2013, 02:15AM
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I guess the only thing to do is welcome Bryz, and hope like hell he can win us some games. I hate to see Smid go (especially down the road), but I bid him a farewell. This team left the way it is, with no defensive replacement for Smid is worse than it was Friday morning. MacT can't be finished--something must but be in the works.

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#55 Andrew
November 09 2013, 02:17AM
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The desperation of the situation is exceeded only by the fans' impatience (mine included).

For Mact's part in all this, he has been official GM for six months or so and in the weeds waiting for a year before that. He unfortunately inherited a schmoozle in the dressing room and those problems can't be fixed overnight. I give a pass to him to that extent. The axe needs to fall higher up but that is getting to be a stale issue.

The same group that have been clamouring for him to make a move, seem to have become experts in critiquing the latest move. If Eakins gets more of a full and healthy line-up then I think more moves will be less likely right now. If the team starts to show continual improvement then I don't expect to see much player movement until the trade deadline.

I think more improvements need to be made but doing so from a position of relative strength would likely increase the chances of it being successful. I'm more interested in seeing what the team performs like with all hands on deck.

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#56 GTL
November 09 2013, 05:42AM
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Retsinnab5 wrote:

Too bad Bryzgalov's five hole is Humongous Big!

And also his pie hole...

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#57 Serious Gord
November 09 2013, 06:59AM
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Judging by most of the posts above MacT/Lowe/Katz aren't the only ones feeling desperate.

The quest is the cup. How do these moves advance that pursuit?

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#58 Deep Oil
November 09 2013, 07:17AM
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MacTavish hinted in the summer that his goaltending was suspect, seeking CC via Canucks.

Tim Thomas and Bryz were available for free this summer, and they took on Greb for some reason... cap management could of been addressed more professionally.

Objectively, this season is over, I know that this is redundant, but why not tank and get another lottery pick, the building will still be sold out.

This is desperation not a bold move.

I have pondered over the years, yes years to have my friend in Vegas to bet on the oilers to lose every game, over the course of 8 seasons, I would be a very rich man right now, better than Apple or Google. I am seriously thinking about this program, even though the odds are low, the risk is also low.

A season ticket holder betting against his team for monetary gain, free enterprise when the rewards are there..... wonder how much navel gazing is going on here - Katz has not had one playoff penny of revenue since borrowing $100million to buy this team....

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#59 Stack Pad Save
November 09 2013, 07:46AM
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27Ginge wrote:

I honestly love the Bryzgalov signing. There is little to no risk in a one year deal. The best case scenario is that he comes in and plays well and raises the level of Dubnyk's game. Duby proved before that he could handle having a veteran Russian backup that wasn't exactly the most polished guy off the ice. Worst case scenario is that the guy is a head case that plays as bad as Labarbera has and gives us all something to laugh at while the Oilers slowly die a thousand deaths for yet another season.

That is not the worst case. Worst case is he comes in, stinks and convinces Nail to fly back to Russia with him.

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#60 Hemmercules
November 09 2013, 08:57AM
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Smid to Calgary sucks. Getting not much for him sucks even more. I have to think there is another deal in the works. I'm waiting a few days before judging the trade to see if anything else happens.

Brysgalov is a total wild card. Nobody knows how he will play. I Imagine he's been a bit humbled by being bought out and not signed until November. Lets hope he comes in with a clear head and with something to prove.

As usual we wait to see how this plays out over the next month. History tells me it will be a disaster. I'm getting tired of complaining about every move this team makes. I'll buy a little hope for now and see how this 6 ring circus plays out.

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#61 Clarko
November 09 2013, 08:59AM
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Rob wrote:

The real mistake was when the Oilers actively pursued Labarbera over the summer. My first reaction, that guy is still in the league? Mediocre at best. Bryzgalov is better than him, Dubnyk? Who knows. The best part of this is if the season is lost already anyways. If Bryzgalov is a problem or plays horribly, easy solution : Oilers don't resign him. In the off chance he somehow rediscovers some of his past glory we've stumbled on to a guy who can get us to our next goalie and MacT looks like a genius. It's win-win. Only problem, this should have been done weeks ago.

Do you think Bryzgalov resigns if he has a great resurgence in his career? I imagine he will have his pick of several teams if he plays well.

Could just as easily be a lose-lose. We lose Bryz at the end of the year because he either plays poorly or he plays well and decides to leave AND we lost our most steady d-man over the last few seasons for prospects.

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#62 Spydyr
November 09 2013, 09:07AM
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hardcore moiler wrote:

so your telling me that smid is so good he is going to bring calgary there stanley cup come on wake up we need a spot for darnell nurse hello way better upgrade then your boy smid

WTF are you talking about.When did I say "smid is so good he is going to bring calgary there stanley cup "

You are delusional.

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#63 2004Z06
November 09 2013, 09:11AM
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Clarko wrote:

Do you think Bryzgalov resigns if he has a great resurgence in his career? I imagine he will have his pick of several teams if he plays well.

Could just as easily be a lose-lose. We lose Bryz at the end of the year because he either plays poorly or he plays well and decides to leave AND we lost our most steady d-man over the last few seasons for prospects.

Who cares if you lose him at the end of the season? This summer is the "summer of goalies" The market will be flooded with goalies hitting free agency this year. It's a buyers market.

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#64 hallthetime
November 09 2013, 09:44AM
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Winning the cup is like capturing a butterfly, sometimes it will just fly onto your lap with little effort, or not.

The other way is to try hard with your hands running as fast as you can, but it may just to high to reach.

But the best way to win/capture a cup is to have the knowledge on how to find them and the right tools needed to get them.

Which one are the oilers.

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#66 Naky
November 09 2013, 11:02AM
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@The Anti-Troll

So you justify that we're a winter city as a good reason for bringing a player with a bad attitude towards it into a locker room of young impressionable stars in a fragile state of mind. A clearly negative person who enjoys making fun of other teams, cities, and fans. Right, gotcha.

You also have no problem with a player throwing other players under the bus publicly just because we have Ference. So if Klefbom is recalled and Bryzgalov trashes him to the media because he's a rookie making rookie mistakes, Ference is there to save the day for you. Gotcha.

DD is our number one because his numbers are superior to Bryzgalov's long term. If you want to focus on the short term of this season, you can but that doesn't make you 'right' like I am 'wrong' to you. Regardless of whether or not you want to acknowledge it or not, Bryzgalov and LBB's statistics are more or less equal. Not to mention you completely ignored the whole bit about what if the signing goes south. Nice cherry picking 'anti-troll'.

I never once cried for making a change for the sake of making a change. Not once. Anyone who has read my posts here would know this, so clearly you have not, not that I even care if you did. We have tons of depth defensemen players that could have been traded away for prospects for salary cap reasons or roster spots and Smid was one of the poorer choices. Smid for Brossoit is what it boils down to and Brossoit can't (and absolutely should not) help us right now.

Finally, I like how someone called the anti-troll finishes his post with one. Good one on you, sir, 'peace out' indeed.

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#67 Pouzar99
November 09 2013, 02:06AM
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With the Oilers goalies posting a league-worst .874 save percentage, down from last year's .917, something had to be done. How many more games can we bear to watch where our goaltending costs us points? The boys have raised their battle level on the road trip and are cutting down on the still too frequent giveaways, but they will never turn this around until they get at least average NHL goaltending, in the .912-.913 range. Bryz will have to start in OKC and should be ready to play in a week or two, which gives Dubnyk time to get his act together.

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#68 Oilcruzer
November 09 2013, 06:52AM
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Nobody's given Bryz the starting job. Nobody has signed him to a long term deal.

Making two goalie moves in one day? A definite wake up call that takes the pressure off the skaters.

Face it. If the Oil would get that one big save a game, heck, any game this year, it could have changed the course of that game, etc.

NO TEAM can play well if they aren't confident in the goalie.

Seen it / coached it way too many times. There's nothing in hockey that changes a team's confidence like good / poor goaltending.

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#69 LoweBrow
November 09 2013, 06:58AM
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What were these transactions about? Was trading a solid Dman like Smid just to clear cap room for a goalie (head case) no better than DD ( measured by save percentage )

Does the brain trust (chuckle now ) believe this will make a difference to the season?

Please tell me more is coming!

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#70 James
November 09 2013, 07:18AM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Nobody's given Bryz the starting job. Nobody has signed him to a long term deal.

Making two goalie moves in one day? A definite wake up call that takes the pressure off the skaters.

Face it. If the Oil would get that one big save a game, heck, any game this year, it could have changed the course of that game, etc.

NO TEAM can play well if they aren't confident in the goalie.

Seen it / coached it way too many times. There's nothing in hockey that changes a team's confidence like good / poor goaltending.

That is pretty terrible thinking no? You have star players who already feel entitled, the last thing you want to do is take pressure off them.

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#71 Serious Gord
November 09 2013, 07:26AM
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Deep Oil wrote:

MacTavish hinted in the summer that his goaltending was suspect, seeking CC via Canucks.

Tim Thomas and Bryz were available for free this summer, and they took on Greb for some reason... cap management could of been addressed more professionally.

Objectively, this season is over, I know that this is redundant, but why not tank and get another lottery pick, the building will still be sold out.

This is desperation not a bold move.

I have pondered over the years, yes years to have my friend in Vegas to bet on the oilers to lose every game, over the course of 8 seasons, I would be a very rich man right now, better than Apple or Google. I am seriously thinking about this program, even though the odds are low, the risk is also low.

A season ticket holder betting against his team for monetary gain, free enterprise when the rewards are there..... wonder how much navel gazing is going on here - Katz has not had one playoff penny of revenue since borrowing $100million to buy this team....

You would not have made any money - or very little in Vegas. You would have had to not just bet win/lose but the spread. Just as betting the Jacksonville jags to lose is not an available option...

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#72 Gordie Wayne
November 09 2013, 08:13AM
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So when is Klefbom getting called up? I can see that happening any day now...

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#73 a lg dubl dubl
November 09 2013, 08:40AM
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moneygoalie31 wrote:

Larson and Fedun have showed well so far. Grebs is a terrible signing, Belov is a gem and only gonna get better. Laddy was gonna be moved eventually, we have to get to a point where our 5-6 d make less then 3.5 million. He was a top four guy for us but should he be??? I still think Mac T is doing a good job, Eakins is gonna be fine. The blame here goes on management and coaches all the time, It is well past time for the million dollar players to cowboy up and play some f#@%ing hockey.

Larsen and Fedun have shown well in 2 games, I hope it continues, but it is only 2 games. Lets talk again after 10-20 games if theyre still playing well, again I do hope so the team needs all the help they can get lol.

What I don't get is according to cap geek the MIGHTY Oilers now have 6mil in cap space, with Mr.Spaceman now on board at 1.75mil even with Smid the Oiles would still be under the cap not by much but it was a trade that didn't need to happen right now.

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#74 Johe
November 09 2013, 08:40AM
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At this point, I have to think Bryz is probably capable of stopping a beach ball. So... improvement in our goaltending looks likely.

And maybe with other Russians on the team he'll fit in a bit better. I don't know, this move is worth a shot.

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#75 Rheal1
November 09 2013, 08:57AM
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On Bryz:

The Flyers must have seen something potential wise when they gave Bryzgalov the keys to that Brinks truck. Last season Bryz was very average for a bona fide NHL netminder. However, the three previous seasons he averaged 65 games played, 2.42GAA, .914 and had a total of 21 shutouts. If we get that player back, MacT is brilliant (fingers crossed)If Bryz can play on his head following his AHL conditioning fit, watch out!!! I will closely monitor his AHL play.

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#76 oilerjed
November 09 2013, 09:58AM
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@ Brownlee

As much as it is easy to say that MacT and Klowe panicked, this doesn't scream panic or desperation to me. Panic move would at least have the illusion of improving the team, this move does nothing. Lateral move at goalie position (I hope) and D corp just got weaker. The question you should be asking is what's next, that's where this article should have gone. Damn your a journalist, do some sleuthing and find us some answers. Uh.. please

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#77 Andrew
November 09 2013, 11:06PM
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albertaboy19 wrote:

So who is actually going to play defense now? Gave away our only dman who really hits? Our defense has gone from soft as butter to soft as baby sh*t

Since you seem to be an expert on the physical properties of soft and gushy substances pray tell how you acquired such refined and astute expertise.

Did you compare by taste or just by pushing your fingers into your diaper Albertaboy9?

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#78 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 09 2013, 12:37AM
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Can we make a Nero Rome burning reference? Someone call Katz in Vancouver and ask.

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#79 Oilcruzer
November 09 2013, 07:46AM
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James wrote:

That is pretty terrible thinking no? You have star players who already feel entitled, the last thing you want to do is take pressure off them.

Punishing your dog because the cat scratched the furniture doesn't teach him anything.

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#80 Batfink
November 09 2013, 08:00AM
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One would think that there is more to come.....please? (begging with puppy dog eyes)

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#81 2004Z06
November 09 2013, 09:08AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Larsen and Fedun have shown well in 2 games, I hope it continues, but it is only 2 games. Lets talk again after 10-20 games if theyre still playing well, again I do hope so the team needs all the help they can get lol.

What I don't get is according to cap geek the MIGHTY Oilers now have 6mil in cap space, with Mr.Spaceman now on board at 1.75mil even with Smid the Oiles would still be under the cap not by much but it was a trade that didn't need to happen right now.

Hmmm kinda makes one think there is another shoe to drop huh?

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#82 Rheal1
November 09 2013, 09:09AM
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What exactly consists of a "bold move"? How about bringing PK Subban to Edmonton? Would that be bold? Would it make sense? PK is reportedly not the happiest of campers under Therrien.

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#83 fedup
November 09 2013, 09:34AM
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Rob wrote:

The real mistake was when the Oilers actively pursued Labarbera over the summer. My first reaction, that guy is still in the league? Mediocre at best. Bryzgalov is better than him, Dubnyk? Who knows. The best part of this is if the season is lost already anyways. If Bryzgalov is a problem or plays horribly, easy solution : Oilers don't resign him. In the off chance he somehow rediscovers some of his past glory we've stumbled on to a guy who can get us to our next goalie and MacT looks like a genius. It's win-win. Only problem, this should have been done weeks ago.

How is this a win-win?

We, sorry I mean the Oilers, got rid of Smid in order to make cap space so they could sign an avg goalie to a 1 year contract.

Smid:

1) Was one of the Oilers' better D-men 2) The type of D-man they needed (stay at home) 3) Bled Orange and Blue and gave the team a hometown discount when resigning last year. For a team having trouble attracting players, they decide to trade the rare one that LOVES playing in Edm.

Could Smid not have been packaged with other players in order to bring in something more substantial and more permanent?

Could N. Schultz not have been moved instead?

Could we not have gotten a better return from Calgary? Do the Oilers really need more prospects?

great trade....

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#84 camdog
November 09 2013, 09:48AM
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The problem I have with this move is that Mactavish said that Labarbera had excellent numbers with the Coyotes and those numbers would translate in Edmonton. Of course I knew this was not the case. Was very disappointed and angered by that signing.

Now he goes and signs another goalie with awesome numbers from Phoenix. Maybe all we need is a new goalie coach? Sean Burke appears to turn average goalies into Stars in the desert, meanwhile we haven't developed a goalie in Edmonton since Grant Fuhr, that's pathetic.

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#86 Johnnydapunk
November 09 2013, 10:07AM
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I'm more than fine with the Bryzgalov signing, he has something to prove, the Oil goaltending is shambolic, and this is probably the least "blowing sheet up" option as the summer will hopefully be a very good market for signing a proven number one.

I think that the Oil were going to have to give something up to make cap room unless something insane happens and league revenue jumps like 10% as the cap is set by the league revenue percentage or something like that, Smid's contract sadly was the only one that was long term (besides Ference and the kids)

It's also nice that every goalie the Oil currently have are playing for their jobs as they are all in the final year of their contracts, with the exception of Tuohimaa who apparently will come to North America next year.

I do have one possibly irrational fear which is a player like Hiller not wanting to come here in part due to the fact that when the Oil had another Swiss goalie in Martin Gerber who seemed to get the shaft whilst he was here despite his decent play.

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#87 Rama Lama
November 09 2013, 10:18AM
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If I were a betting man........I would say Mac T has probably talked to every team in the NHL and has probably pitched a dozen trade possibilities with another dozen coming the other way.

It would be very difficult to make a decision if there are numerous possibilities out there. Nice problem to have if in fact that is the case.

I for one disagree with the pundits out there ( Sportsnet & TSN) who state that Bryz is toxic to a dressing room........more like a comedian? I for one don't care if he is weird, strange, or funny.......just stop pucks. Thats all we need from a goalie.

This Oil Kings goalie LB........must be special if MacT wanted him so bad.

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#88 DubnykisDONE
November 09 2013, 02:38PM
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Dubnyk has had more than enough chances. He's done. Career backup at best. Just complete garbage. Lacavalier from the goal line shelfs it short side over DDs shoulder? Are you f*cking kidding me? I could have made that save.

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#89 Ari Gold
November 09 2013, 02:49PM
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This team is a complete joke. They extend contracts and deal with NTCs in good faith only to trade the player, who wanted to be here, in less than half a year. This speaks to the rest of the players in the league about managements integrity.

I understand that Smid is slow, marginally physical and a terrible passer. I honestly didn't want him in the top 3. He's a solid #4 Dman. He was slightly overpaid (I'd say $500k-$1miil) but we're used to that.

Honestly, I'd have dumped Schultz Sr. He earns more and does less. Send him away for a 4th rounder, or future considerations. #5Dmen being paid $4mil are useless in my opinion.

In the end I'm not dissatisfied with the return except that Horvat is another small forward albiet with grit. Hopefully he can learn a thing or two from Perron.

As for Bryz. Goodness. We'll see....

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#90 Ari Gold
November 09 2013, 02:52PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I'd be very hesitant to trade Eberle or any of the core players when the team is floundering as badly as it is because it's unlikely you'll get fair value.

On the face of it, Eberle for Giroux is worth discussing.

I disagree. I'd take Giroux over Ebs anyday of the week. Giroux is a playoff player. He hits and plays big. Hands, shot, balls. We need that on our team.

No way Ebs would fetch Giroux.

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#91 nick
November 09 2013, 10:05PM
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Rob wrote:

The real mistake was when the Oilers actively pursued Labarbera over the summer. My first reaction, that guy is still in the league? Mediocre at best. Bryzgalov is better than him, Dubnyk? Who knows. The best part of this is if the season is lost already anyways. If Bryzgalov is a problem or plays horribly, easy solution : Oilers don't resign him. In the off chance he somehow rediscovers some of his past glory we've stumbled on to a guy who can get us to our next goalie and MacT looks like a genius. It's win-win. Only problem, this should have been done weeks ago.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA How funny are you, Bryzgalov signing is an absolute joke. The LasVegas beer league team didn't even want him around. Add another clown to the circus

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#92 nick
November 09 2013, 10:06PM
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Rob wrote:

The real mistake was when the Oilers actively pursued Labarbera over the summer. My first reaction, that guy is still in the league? Mediocre at best. Bryzgalov is better than him, Dubnyk? Who knows. The best part of this is if the season is lost already anyways. If Bryzgalov is a problem or plays horribly, easy solution : Oilers don't resign him. In the off chance he somehow rediscovers some of his past glory we've stumbled on to a guy who can get us to our next goalie and MacT looks like a genius. It's win-win. Only problem, this should have been done weeks ago.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA How funny are you, Bryzgalov signing is an absolute joke. The LasVegas beer league team didn't even want him around. Add another clown to the circus

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#93 big slick
November 09 2013, 06:04AM
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Is he an up grade at back up goalie?

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#94 James
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Punishing your dog because the cat scratched the furniture doesn't teach him anything.

Well that's fair. But at the same time, you still have to hold your star players accountable and they have yet to do that.

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November 09 2013, 08:01AM
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@Jay Gray

Have any of the young guys shown any toughness at all? We are going to get l=killed on the cycle and in front of the goal.

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November 09 2013, 09:26AM
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This will be the warning shot across the bow for the non productive players that being traded out of Edmonton doesnt always mean LA.

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November 09 2013, 10:36AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Plenty of speculation already, with the likeliest scenario being MacTavish working Holmgren for Simmonds with Hemsky going the other way. That's already out there. Nothing new from anybody since then.

Is Hemsky tradeable? It sounded like initially they wanted Ebs. Hemmer is bound to get hurt soon so I hope they pull off a trade for him but with the Smid trade doesn't there have to be more to it the hemmer for Simmonds? I would like to assume that MacT knows we are not going to win a playoff spot with inexperienced young dmen. What Dmen does Philly legitimately have available and who else would the OIl have to make available?

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#98 rob
November 09 2013, 10:44AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Giroux is 25 and entering his prime years. He's outscored Eberle 223-169 since the start of the 2010-11 season. And you think the Flyers -- at the very least -- would have to throw in Coburn for it to make any sense? OK.

hey Robin,would you trade ebs for giroux staight up?I know I would in a heart beat,but others think its a rip off.I know they are 2 diffrent horses but giroux playing well is exactly what we need!you thoughts?

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#99 nunyour
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Nice to see Mact doing something to improve his team,seems like most fans are ready for bold moves.

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