Disaster

Jonathan Willis
November 09 2013 03:09PM

The Edmonton Oilers had a chance on Saturday to pick up two points from one of the league's worst teams. They had healthy bodies back, the Flyers had lost two straight, and this game represented a real opportunity to start things turning around after a strong effort in a win over Florida and a stronger one in a loss to Tampa Bay.

It didn't happen.

Losing Badly

It's not just that the Oilers lost, or who they lost against, but how they lost. Some fans will want to place the blame on Devan Dubnyk - who was actually reasonably solid until that fourth goal - or on the referees for mistakenly assessing a major penalty against an innocent Anton Belov.

But the real problem was the skaters. The following chart shows on-ice scoring chances at even-strength for the Oilers forwards against Philadelphia, as counted by me.

Player EV+ EV- Percentage
Luke Gazdic 0 1 0.0%
Jordan Eberle 1 7 12.5%
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1 6 14.3%
Boyd Gordon 1 4 20.0%
Ryan Smyth 1 4 20.0%
Taylor Hall 4 8 33.3%
Jesse Joensuu 1 2 33.3%
Mark Arcobello 2 4 33.3%
Sam Gagner 4 6 40.0%
Ales Hemsky 5 7 41.7%
David Perron 3 3 50.0%
Nail Yakupov 2 1 66.7%

And for the defence:

Player EV+ EV- Percentage
Nick Schultz 1 6 14.3%
Taylor Fedun 1 5 16.7%
Andrew Ference 2 9 18.2%
Jeff Petry 2 7 22.2%
Philip Larsen 6 6 50.0%
Anton Belov 6 5 54.5%

For the most part, it was the Oilers' best players getting killed against the Flyers. Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Taylor Hall all had among the worst marks on the team in this regard. These are the guys that typically push results - and did last year, even as the rest of the team gave everything back and then some. On defence, the Oilers top pairing of Andrew Ference and Jeff Petry were lit up, too.

The Oilers play in Chicago tomorrow. It seems unlikely to go well.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Batfink
November 09 2013, 04:40PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Dallas is too tired from his bike ride to get angry.

Lol, probably know down to the last calorie getting angry burns! "Ok, can only lose my 5h1t twice today, then I can have that donut!"

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#52 forsoothed
November 09 2013, 04:41PM
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We're still trading actual players for prospects, the rebuild continues.

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#53 D-Unit
November 09 2013, 04:42PM
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It would be nice to see some frustration from the Oilers with all the losing. Wouldn't mind seeing someone do something nasty, like a cross check to someone's teeth. But sadly the Oil have no fight, no heart, no backbone.

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#54 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 04:45PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Oh no, I'm quite easily baited :)

Besides, it's not really that bad. I've had some poor experiences with individuals, but by and large the readers here and on Twitter and elsewhere have been awfully good to me.

To borrow from Joe Walsh, I can't complain though sometimes I still do.

JW, I enjoy what you bring...the advanced stats etc.....on the other hand I think the advanced stats crowd is in its early stages in hockey and draw too many conclusions based on numbers that paint only a small part of the picture that is hockey.

Having said that, any blogger/ analyst who quotes Joe Walsh is OK by me!

"And we don't need the ladies cryin cause the stories sad"

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#55 Batfink
November 09 2013, 04:45PM
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D-Unit wrote:

It would be nice to see some frustration from the Oilers with all the losing. Wouldn't mind seeing someone do something nasty, like a cross check to someone's teeth. But sadly the Oil have no fight, no heart, no backbone.

We knew that when Gags was the victim of enthusiastic amateur dentist Dr Kassian and nobody punched him in the face.

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#56 Randaman
November 09 2013, 04:49PM
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Hair bag wrote:

Duby has been brutal most of the year but today wasn't his fault - he kept them in the game. Every goal Philly scored was from a good quality chance or a snipe by a skilled shooter.

I don't get this obvious trend of Dubnyk being on his knees ALL the f$&@! Time. That has to have something to do with coaching in my mind. Chabot should be shown the door with Lowe, Bucky & Smith. You can't stop high shots from your knees. Huff said. What a sad team we have. Mac T can't fix it all at once and Eakins should be given at least a full season so I give them a pass on the firing parade that should take place. Come on Katz, get off your throne and do SOMETHING!!

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#57 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 04:49PM
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D-Unit wrote:

It would be nice to see some frustration from the Oilers with all the losing. Wouldn't mind seeing someone do something nasty, like a cross check to someone's teeth. But sadly the Oil have no fight, no heart, no backbone.

Even Gretzky would have taken somebody's teeth out by now!

*disclaimer. Or had Semenko do it*

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#58 Slats
November 09 2013, 04:50PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Dubnyk will probably play better when people aren't trying to figure out if his putrid play has a historical precedent on blogs.

It works that way, right?

and it will start around game 62 when loosey goosey Oilers will be wheeling around the the NHL scoring 5 Goals vs 1 against and the Oilers will go 14-4-2 to finish the season 26-44-12

AND then what??

Rinse and repeat for 2014-15

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#59 Newj
November 09 2013, 04:51PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Formula for disaster

Have a new owner hire his buddy to run his NHL team.Then hire a rookie GM who hires a rookie coach because he gets a man crush.The rookie coach is then saddled with the owners buddy, buddies as assistant coaches.

How could that ever go wrong?

True, it started at the top - this formula for disaster.

Its been stated repeatedly, this organization has regressed. Very difficult to remain optimistic unless meaningful changes in management are made.

Also as stated before, the dismissal of Kevin Lowe or MacTavish will not likely alter results this year, but changes are needed in management to move forward in the long run. Why wait until next year to implement those changes?

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#60 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 09 2013, 04:52PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

The bigger problem than Lowe is Katz,He does not hold his hockey management team accountable,he does not care about his fan base, if he did he would've made made changes by now,his only concern is that he gets to hang out with the glory day Oilers and the end result is this sorry excuse of a hockey team we have left after Kevin Lowe has screwed it up so bad.Good luck attracting any free agents here,it wont be much longer before the stars on the team ask for a ticket out of town,as a fan base we are all frustrated and have pretty much given up all hope with Lowe running this team,how do you think the players feel and why would they want to continue to play for such a MICKEY MOUSE ORGANIZATION!!!!

agree, but we cant fire an owner

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#61 Dan 1919
November 09 2013, 04:52PM
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The Oilers have effectively given up and stopped trying. Why? Because earlier in the season it didn’t matter how many goals they would score, DD would find a way to let more in. Just like in this game when the team is getting back into it, DD finds a way to let a weak short side goal in.

Do not get so use to watching DD sieve it up that you begin to think it’s normal. DD let 4 goals in against one of the worst teams in the NHL.

Hopefully they start trying again and Bryz is enough to spark them. I think it will take Bryz to stand on his head and show this team he is for real for them to put in the same effort they did in the first 5 games of the season (hopefully Bryz is capable of that).

Basically what we feared most has happened. Letting DD be a failure back there game after game has completely deflated and defeated this team, let’s just hope they can recover with a new goalie (if he plays well).

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#62 yawto
November 09 2013, 04:56PM
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I'm just going to start calling Dubnyk the slump buster. If you are on a cold streak, circle Edmonton and pray he is in net. Him and mason had basically the same record at the start of the game, only difference, mason is losing without giving up 4 a game. Ridiculous. Bring on Bryz, it couldn't be worse.

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#63 DSF
November 09 2013, 04:57PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Tyler Dellow posted a nice chart that seems relevant.

Dellow posted a "rolling average save percentage" chart which looks at averages.

While that approach has some validity, it doesn't mean Dubnyk WILL return to his career average.

Some goalies have certainly done that...many haven't.

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#64 Ed in Edmoton
November 09 2013, 04:57PM
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Thinking about the Smid move of yesterday, I'm thinking perhaps MAcT has already put this season in the history books and is long to next year. Trading a roster player for 2 prospects is hard to interpret any other way.

I'm also wondering is Katz might be pissed that he's paying Grebeshkov 1.5 M to play in the AHL and told MacT he doesn't have a blank check and needs to save some cash.

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#65 DSF
November 09 2013, 04:58PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

The chart doesn't say Dubnyk hasn't been horrible.

It simply says it is not uncommon for average goaltenders to have terrible stretches outside of their historical average.

Just because it's "uncommon" doesn't mean he will return to his "historical average".

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#66 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 05:00PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Almost as well as a nice chart.

I hope Rom can take a joke....I have this picture in my mind...it's like that guy in Philly years ago used to sit in row one behind the net and hold up signs throughout the game....the guy had a sign for EVERY occasion......I picture Rom doing this....only instead of signs with words.....it's CHARTS....lots and lots of charts....team has a poor shift....Rom holds a up a CORSI chart...we get scored on ... It's a + - Save % chart......pie charts, bar graphs....THE CROWD LOVES THIS GUY.

Seriously ...the Philly guy was a legend with Fans around the league!

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#67 DSF
November 09 2013, 05:00PM
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Who? wrote:

Tyler who? Sick of these bloggers. LoweTide and his band of wannabe typists wear me out. No insight, nothing new, and where does their so called expertise come from.

Give me legitimate journalists like Spector.

Have you noticed how they've stopped talking about Corsi and how the Oilers are "much improved'?

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#68 Alsker
November 09 2013, 05:00PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Oh no, I'm quite easily baited :)

Besides, it's not really that bad. I've had some poor experiences with individuals, but by and large the readers here and on Twitter and elsewhere have been awfully good to me.

To borrow from Joe Walsh, I can't complain though sometimes I still do.

Joe Walsh: haha, wait a minute wasnt he sleeping on the floor `cause he couldn`t find the door, no wait thats me..no worries

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#69 Clarko
November 09 2013, 05:01PM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

The Oilers have effectively given up and stopped trying. Why? Because earlier in the season it didn’t matter how many goals they would score, DD would find a way to let more in. Just like in this game when the team is getting back into it, DD finds a way to let a weak short side goal in.

Do not get so use to watching DD sieve it up that you begin to think it’s normal. DD let 4 goals in against one of the worst teams in the NHL.

Hopefully they start trying again and Bryz is enough to spark them. I think it will take Bryz to stand on his head and show this team he is for real for them to put in the same effort they did in the first 5 games of the season (hopefully Bryz is capable of that).

Basically what we feared most has happened. Letting DD be a failure back there game after game has completely deflated and defeated this team, let’s just hope they can recover with a new goalie (if he plays well).

Stop giving all the other players on this team an excuse not to put in a good effort. Has Dubnyk been bad? Absolutely. But that doesn't give an excuse for the rest of the team to give up.

It is funny that a lot of fans are willing to blame one player for all of this teams woes. But this team also ranks 13th out 14 teams in their conference in goals scored. Bad goaltending and terrible defensive zone coverage (too hard to count how many Flyers had wide open opportunities in the slot today) PLUS no goal scoring support will plummet a team down the standing extremely fast.

This abomination of a team is the ENTIRE team's fault...not just one player's.

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#70 Alsker
November 09 2013, 05:04PM
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Randaman wrote:

I don't get this obvious trend of Dubnyk being on his knees ALL the f$&@! Time. That has to have something to do with coaching in my mind. Chabot should be shown the door with Lowe, Bucky & Smith. You can't stop high shots from your knees. Huff said. What a sad team we have. Mac T can't fix it all at once and Eakins should be given at least a full season so I give them a pass on the firing parade that should take place. Come on Katz, get off your throne and do SOMETHING!!

How bout Dubs off ice workout is in a pool with a waterpolo team..no seriously, if he goes down as often in net there he`ll drown.. Can only help

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#71 Soccer Steve
November 09 2013, 05:06PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Someone scored from the goal line in the corner.A back breaker goal after the team battled back into the game.Not sure what game you were watching but the one I watched Dubnyk let in two very questionable goals.

The last time a bad team scored against another bad team from the goal line their entire coaching staff was fired.

What do you think? A reach? One can dream.

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#72 Smokey
November 09 2013, 05:09PM
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Clarko wrote:

Stop giving all the other players on this team an excuse not to put in a good effort. Has Dubnyk been bad? Absolutely. But that doesn't give an excuse for the rest of the team to give up.

It is funny that a lot of fans are willing to blame one player for all of this teams woes. But this team also ranks 13th out 14 teams in their conference in goals scored. Bad goaltending and terrible defensive zone coverage (too hard to count how many Flyers had wide open opportunities in the slot today) PLUS no goal scoring support will plummet a team down the standing extremely fast.

This abomination of a team is the ENTIRE team's fault...not just one player's.

I'm looking forward to Bryzgalov's comments when he's letting in point blank wristers from the open slot. At least the quotes will be better...I have hope...even if its comedic.

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#73 Clarko
November 09 2013, 05:09PM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

The last time a bad team scored against another bad team from the goal line their entire coaching staff was fired.

What do you think? A reach? One can dream.

Because firing our coach has worked brilliantly the last 4 times we did it...

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#74 6 ring circus
November 09 2013, 05:10PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

agree, but we cant fire an owner

I will no longer buy season tickets or Oiler's merchandise,I will gladly take the family on a nice winter holiday instead of supporting the Oiler's by buying seasons tickets,after 14 years. I have had enough of this,It's sad to say, but I bought into the rebuild and believed all the hype that the Oilers propaganda machine puts out in the off season and pre season every year, but no more,I am tired of wasting my hard earned money on Katz and Kevin Lowe and this so called hockey team,I have lost my patience and will not wait another 5-7 years before they get it right.

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#75 Dan 1919
November 09 2013, 05:10PM
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@Clarko

You’re right, but DD is the main reason. Don’t get me wrong, the Oilers are not awesome with an average goalie, but they would be in around 9th place right now had DD not single-handedly lost 4-6 games so far this season (the definite four being at the start).

Watching RNH, and Hall give the puck away play after play is getting old. Eberle is stick handling into the corner all the time now like Gagner and Cogs were famous for. The worst part is they give it away at the worst place (blue line entering the zone) so it handcuffs the entire team giving the opposition constant rushes down the ice.

But again, the lack of just good strong hockey plays by the young guns is IMO Klowes fault. When he blew this team up he didn’t leave anybody for these young guys to mentor and learn from about what good solid shifts are night after night. He left a bunch of AHL’ers and washed up NHL’ers collecting the last year or two of NHL paycheques before no one would sign them.

Look at Calgary, in the middle of a rebuild but still guys that compete every night, we haven’t had a team that competes every night since the playoff run.

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#76 Soccer Steve
November 09 2013, 05:11PM
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Ed in Edmoton wrote:

Thinking about the Smid move of yesterday, I'm thinking perhaps MAcT has already put this season in the history books and is long to next year. Trading a roster player for 2 prospects is hard to interpret any other way.

I'm also wondering is Katz might be pissed that he's paying Grebeshkov 1.5 M to play in the AHL and told MacT he doesn't have a blank check and needs to save some cash.

You spelled edmonton wrong

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#77 Slats
November 09 2013, 05:12PM
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There is so many remarks on fire 6 Rings and I get it. We have an Ex-Oiler Regime. We need change. But who?

If you were the owner who would you hire?

If it were me and I wanted to really start organizational change - I would go take that $3.5mm you just saved from the early Smid contract exit and ask for permission to go start discussions with Lou Amoriello - watch the sparks fly!!!

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#78 Boo,u useless Oiler garbage !!
November 09 2013, 05:12PM
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D-Unit wrote:

It would be nice to see some frustration from the Oilers with all the losing. Wouldn't mind seeing someone do something nasty, like a cross check to someone's teeth. But sadly the Oil have no fight, no heart, no backbone.

I agree. But we all know MUFFINS can't fight, don't have heart, or a spine. Can we petition to change the name of Rexall to The Bakery?? Cuz we got a basket full of muffins right about now.

Each year the management makes changes. They change a third liner here for a ... Um, well a third liner there. The third and fourth line players at least try to check, and play with heart. The problem is the kids don't. Don't beleive me ?!? How has the team improved, now that we're in the fourth year with Hall and Ebs. Nuge still plays with the strength of a fourteen year old girl. And Yak, I think he's trying to memorize the ingredients for a Russian Red Bull. He's out to lunch man. This team is small and weak. I've got the solution... We can just finish last and get that Reinhart kid...

Wait a minute...

What ?!?...

He's 6'1...175lbs !!!

"We can out DAZZLE em with our blinding skill !!!

Please ?!?! Not another one !!!

Shoot me now cuz I have foreseen the future!!!

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#79 Reality Check to the head
November 09 2013, 05:12PM
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Is it too early to wonder if there is an elite center or Dman who can play for us next year, that will also be available in the first 3 picks of the up coming draft?

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#80 Bucknuck
November 09 2013, 05:14PM
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yawto wrote:

I'm just going to start calling Dubnyk the slump buster. If you are on a cold streak, circle Edmonton and pray he is in net. Him and mason had basically the same record at the start of the game, only difference, mason is losing without giving up 4 a game. Ridiculous. Bring on Bryz, it couldn't be worse.

oh no man... you didn't just say it couldn't get worse. Did you?? Did you really??

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#81 Oiler Al
November 09 2013, 05:14PM
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Spydyr wrote:

"leaders"

You are funny, you make me laugh.

Spyder, good point, should have said " should be leaders", but they are not playing like they are.

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#82 DSF
November 09 2013, 05:16PM
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How bad are the Oilers?

In past seasons, the playoff cutoff was 94-95 points.

This season, with the absolute dominance by the WC (except the Oilers), it'll take a lot more to get in the post season.

The final wild card spot is currently held by the Minnesota Wild.

They are on pace for 106 points.

The Oilers are on pace for 45 points.

Missing the playoffs by 61 points (should current trends continue) should be a firing offence from the top of the corporate ladder all the way to the bottom.

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#83 Soccer Steve
November 09 2013, 05:22PM
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Clarko wrote:

Because firing our coach has worked brilliantly the last 4 times we did it...

Because Bucky, Smith, et al have such incredible results so far...

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#84 Dan 1919
November 09 2013, 05:25PM
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DSF wrote:

How bad are the Oilers?

In past seasons, the playoff cutoff was 94-95 points.

This season, with the absolute dominance by the WC (except the Oilers), it'll take a lot more to get in the post season.

The final wild card spot is currently held by the Minnesota Wild.

They are on pace for 106 points.

The Oilers are on pace for 45 points.

Missing the playoffs by 61 points (should current trends continue) should be a firing offence from the top of the corporate ladder all the way to the bottom.

Haha it should, but the 8th spot playoff team will not have 106 points, things will cool down. Mac-T will have one of the young guns traded this year before the TD if things don’t shape up... or the 1st Rounder traded for a solid piece.

Is one of the guys in the top three projected to end up better than Ebs/Yak, then they will trade one of those guys and keep the pick or vise-versa. The Tambi erra is over, if there’s one thing I’m confident of, it is that.

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#85 Walter Sobchak
November 09 2013, 05:26PM
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DSF wrote:

How bad are the Oilers?

In past seasons, the playoff cutoff was 94-95 points.

This season, with the absolute dominance by the WC (except the Oilers), it'll take a lot more to get in the post season.

The final wild card spot is currently held by the Minnesota Wild.

They are on pace for 106 points.

The Oilers are on pace for 45 points.

Missing the playoffs by 61 points (should current trends continue) should be a firing offence from the top of the corporate ladder all the way to the bottom.

Why waste your breath on that statement, if Katz doesn't have the balls to clean house two or three or four years ago he ain't doing it now.

He'll just let his two buddies run this team even further into the ground, I didn't even think it was possible to be worse then the last three years!

One thing is a certainty, Lowe continues to astonish me at his complete uselessness.

Fact.

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#86 Eddie Shore
November 09 2013, 05:28PM
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FMNF!

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#87 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 05:28PM
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DSF wrote:

Just because it's "uncommon" doesn't mean he will return to his "historical average".

No one implied that was a necessary eventuality.

However, it is a great deal more probable than his historical play suddenly and forever cratering.

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#88 Ed in Edmonton
November 09 2013, 05:29PM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

You spelled edmonton wrong

What can I say, I are an engineer.

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#89 Serious Gord
November 09 2013, 05:31PM
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Ed in Edmoton wrote:

Thinking about the Smid move of yesterday, I'm thinking perhaps MAcT has already put this season in the history books and is long to next year. Trading a roster player for 2 prospects is hard to interpret any other way.

I'm also wondering is Katz might be pissed that he's paying Grebeshkov 1.5 M to play in the AHL and told MacT he doesn't have a blank check and needs to save some cash.

then how do you explain getting bryz? that is 100% a short-term move.

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#90 Primo
November 09 2013, 05:33PM
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Smokey wrote:

Disaster is this past week. This week title is Clusterfudge once our cosmonaut shows up.

Frankly don't get why you don't run Nuge, Ebs and Hall. The line works and is effective even if the puck does not go in the net. You gotta get this team going, and this line has historically been effective. I'd then do some combo of Gordon, Arco, Perron as their going. They can be your toughs line.

Disappointing loss. Bad team, poor line combos, bad goaltending. That's on Eakins.

Bad Team and Bad Goaltending on Eakins???? You must be Kevin's first nephew !

Just what the doctor ordered...5 coaches in 6 years. Way to go!

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#91 DSF
November 09 2013, 05:34PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

No one implied that was a necessary eventuality.

However, it is a great deal more probable than his historical play suddenly and forever cratering.

What are the odds of that, exactly?

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#92 DSF
November 09 2013, 05:35PM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

Haha it should, but the 8th spot playoff team will not have 106 points, things will cool down. Mac-T will have one of the young guns traded this year before the TD if things don’t shape up... or the 1st Rounder traded for a solid piece.

Is one of the guys in the top three projected to end up better than Ebs/Yak, then they will trade one of those guys and keep the pick or vise-versa. The Tambi erra is over, if there’s one thing I’m confident of, it is that.

We'll see.

But I think the final playoff sport in the WC will likely be around 100 points.

The Oilers haven't played many games against the WC yet and that could be very, very ugly.

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#93 Alsker
November 09 2013, 05:35PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

oh no man... you didn't just say it couldn't get worse. Did you?? Did you really??

Well prohibition could be re-instated!! Oh hockey wise, well how!! Blowehard fires Eakins, names MacT coach steps into GM position himself and tells Katz its time to rebuild and HE will lead it this time!!!

Signed Freddie Kreuger

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#94 Alsker
November 09 2013, 05:37PM
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Oops forgot Mess becomes pres of Ops.

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#95 D-Unit
November 09 2013, 05:37PM
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So Eakins made headlines by changing things in the dressing room, taking the old pictures down and such, so this team could have it's own identity and not have to live in the shadow of the old greats. But here's a thought, maybe some of the guys from the Great, Good and even mediocre Oilers teams of the past, that are not employed by the Oilers, put him up to it, because this heartless team doesn't deserve to be associated with any past Oilers glory.

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#96 Hockey Problems
November 09 2013, 05:37PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

oh no man... you didn't just say it couldn't get worse. Did you?? Did you really??

Out of the playoffs by the 5th week of the season ?!?

This comedy has turned into a tragedy !

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#97 Ed in Edmonton
November 09 2013, 05:41PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

then how do you explain getting bryz? that is 100% a short-term move.

In the between period interview MacT said be made the move to make room for young defencemen like Nurse (who can't play here this year) and Klefbom ( is he anywhere close? I don't really know). The point is he never claimed the move will make the Oil better because of .... His explanation was it clears the deck for the future.

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#98 Ari Gold
November 09 2013, 05:43PM
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I'm sick of this entire organization but I can't like another team. I'm staying with them because I can't stand anyone else. Now that's a dysfunctional relationship.

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#99 Virtual_Xi
November 09 2013, 05:44PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

The bigger problem than Lowe is Katz,He does not hold his hockey management team accountable,he does not care about his fan base, if he did he would've made made changes by now,his only concern is that he gets to hang out with the glory day Oilers and the end result is this sorry excuse of a hockey team we have left after Kevin Lowe has screwed it up so bad.Good luck attracting any free agents here,it wont be much longer before the stars on the team ask for a ticket out of town,as a fan base we are all frustrated and have pretty much given up all hope with Lowe running this team,how do you think the players feel and why would they want to continue to play for such a MICKEY MOUSE ORGANIZATION!!!!

Why do people compare Mickey Mouse with being unsuccessful pretty damn successful if you ask me... More like wiley e coyote organization! Geez!

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#100 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 05:44PM
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DSF wrote:

What are the odds of that, exactly?

Of a level of play regressing to the mean?

Pretty high I gather…

The only factors we know about for Gs for sharp and sustained drops in performance (injury and age) don't appear to be in play.

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