Disaster

Jonathan Willis
November 09 2013 03:09PM

The Edmonton Oilers had a chance on Saturday to pick up two points from one of the league's worst teams. They had healthy bodies back, the Flyers had lost two straight, and this game represented a real opportunity to start things turning around after a strong effort in a win over Florida and a stronger one in a loss to Tampa Bay.

It didn't happen.

Losing Badly

It's not just that the Oilers lost, or who they lost against, but how they lost. Some fans will want to place the blame on Devan Dubnyk - who was actually reasonably solid until that fourth goal - or on the referees for mistakenly assessing a major penalty against an innocent Anton Belov.

But the real problem was the skaters. The following chart shows on-ice scoring chances at even-strength for the Oilers forwards against Philadelphia, as counted by me.

Player EV+ EV- Percentage
Luke Gazdic 0 1 0.0%
Jordan Eberle 1 7 12.5%
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1 6 14.3%
Boyd Gordon 1 4 20.0%
Ryan Smyth 1 4 20.0%
Taylor Hall 4 8 33.3%
Jesse Joensuu 1 2 33.3%
Mark Arcobello 2 4 33.3%
Sam Gagner 4 6 40.0%
Ales Hemsky 5 7 41.7%
David Perron 3 3 50.0%
Nail Yakupov 2 1 66.7%

And for the defence:

Player EV+ EV- Percentage
Nick Schultz 1 6 14.3%
Taylor Fedun 1 5 16.7%
Andrew Ference 2 9 18.2%
Jeff Petry 2 7 22.2%
Philip Larsen 6 6 50.0%
Anton Belov 6 5 54.5%

For the most part, it was the Oilers' best players getting killed against the Flyers. Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Taylor Hall all had among the worst marks on the team in this regard. These are the guys that typically push results - and did last year, even as the rest of the team gave everything back and then some. On defence, the Oilers top pairing of Andrew Ference and Jeff Petry were lit up, too.

The Oilers play in Chicago tomorrow. It seems unlikely to go well.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 Walter Sobchak
November 09 2013, 05:46PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

I will no longer buy season tickets or Oiler's merchandise,I will gladly take the family on a nice winter holiday instead of supporting the Oiler's by buying seasons tickets,after 14 years. I have had enough of this,It's sad to say, but I bought into the rebuild and believed all the hype that the Oilers propaganda machine puts out in the off season and pre season every year, but no more,I am tired of wasting my hard earned money on Katz and Kevin Lowe and this so called hockey team,I have lost my patience and will not wait another 5-7 years before they get it right.

This will also be my last year as a season seat holder.

I'll use that money to go to LA and watch the Oilers there during the winter.

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#102 Serious Gord
November 09 2013, 05:48PM
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DSF wrote:

How bad are the Oilers?

In past seasons, the playoff cutoff was 94-95 points.

This season, with the absolute dominance by the WC (except the Oilers), it'll take a lot more to get in the post season.

The final wild card spot is currently held by the Minnesota Wild.

They are on pace for 106 points.

The Oilers are on pace for 45 points.

Missing the playoffs by 61 points (should current trends continue) should be a firing offence from the top of the corporate ladder all the way to the bottom.

Agree on all points.

What is annoying me of late is the resistance on the part of many in the EDM sports media - Stauffer and Brown most notably to not criticize Eakins for the lack of effort by the team and the lack of discipline.

And yet it was Eakins who personally guaranteed that the team would always play with effort.

The fall back excuse of many is that we have already had too many coaching changes in a short period.

I say to heck with that. If the coach is failing - and Eakins is arguably failing and inarguably not progressing - firing makes sense regardless of the turnover rate.

What if the oil finish with fewer than 20 wins? Is that grounds to fire Eakins? How could anyone justify keeping him?

I suspect we may see Kreuger 2.0 - management and the press stand foursquare behind Eakins at the end of the season and then a few weeks/months later... he's out the door, and the press says they knew it all along...

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#103 Ari Gold
November 09 2013, 05:48PM
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Seriously, Hemsky's giveaway to Giroux that led to the winning goal. He's skating into traffic, pressure from behind and ahead. He decides to drop the puck behind himself blindly to Hall who is coming straight into traffic. Hall can't grab possession and the Flyers go back the other way and score.

Bone-headed play by Hemsky. He's good for a few of these a game. Why is he on our team? Why is he being paid $5mil!!!??? So many screaming bad contracts on this team. So many brutally spoiled players that won't backcheck. Where's the player development and accountability?

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#104 Hockey Problems
November 09 2013, 05:50PM
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I don't understand how the rodeo can be in town ...

I just saw the clowns on the ice, playin the Flyers in Philly this very morning !!

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#105 Ari Gold
November 09 2013, 05:52PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Agree on all points.

What is annoying me of late is the resistance on the part of many in the EDM sports media - Stauffer and Brown most notably to not criticize Eakins for the lack of effort by the team and the lack of discipline.

And yet it was Eakins who personally guaranteed that the team would always play with effort.

The fall back excuse of many is that we have already had too many coaching changes in a short period.

I say to heck with that. If the coach is failing - and Eakins is arguably failing and inarguably not progressing - firing makes sense regardless of the turnover rate.

What if the oil finish with fewer than 20 wins? Is that grounds to fire Eakins? How could anyone justify keeping him?

I suspect we may see Kreuger 2.0 - management and the press stand foursquare behind Eakins at the end of the season and then a few weeks/months later... he's out the door, and the press says they knew it all along...

I agree that Eakins is part of the problem but certainly you can't put the majority of the weight on his shoulders. The Oiler management is filled with rookies. Inexperienced owner, president, GM & Coach. Player development on this team is horrific. They aren't taught discipline nor accountability.

I wish they were more like Perron, Gorgon & Arco. Hell I'll throw Belov into a positive. The rest of the team except for Hall can go.

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#106 Serious Gord
November 09 2013, 05:58PM
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In the between period interview MacT said be made the move to make room for young defencemen like Nurse (who can't play here this year) and Klefbom ( is he anywhere close? I don't really know). The point is he never claimed the move will make the Oil better because of .... His explanation was it clears the deck for the future.

here's what you stated in your original post:

"...I'm thinking perhaps MAcT has already put this season in the history books and is long to next year..."

The Bryz move completely contradicts your thesis.

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#107 DSF
November 09 2013, 05:59PM
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Of a level of play regressing to the mean?

Pretty high I gather…

The only factors we know about for Gs for sharp and sustained drops in performance (injury and age) don't appear to be in play.

Loss of confidence is HUGE factor in performance.

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#108 woodenshoes
November 09 2013, 05:59PM
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How bout Dubs off ice workout is in a pool with a waterpolo team..no seriously, if he goes down as often in net there he`ll drown.. Can only help

How about the Eddie Shore method where he tied a rope around his goalies neck and tied it to the cross bar b/c he thought his goalie was going down too soon. With Dubnyk you'd have to hang it from the rafters as he's so tall, and with today's CBA the NHLPA would have a field day but we can dream right?

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#109 DSF
November 09 2013, 06:01PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Agree on all points.

What is annoying me of late is the resistance on the part of many in the EDM sports media - Stauffer and Brown most notably to not criticize Eakins for the lack of effort by the team and the lack of discipline.

And yet it was Eakins who personally guaranteed that the team would always play with effort.

The fall back excuse of many is that we have already had too many coaching changes in a short period.

I say to heck with that. If the coach is failing - and Eakins is arguably failing and inarguably not progressing - firing makes sense regardless of the turnover rate.

What if the oil finish with fewer than 20 wins? Is that grounds to fire Eakins? How could anyone justify keeping him?

I suspect we may see Kreuger 2.0 - management and the press stand foursquare behind Eakins at the end of the season and then a few weeks/months later... he's out the door, and the press says they knew it all along...

Sounds about right.

History is littered with AHL coaches who couldn't make the jump to the NHL.

So far, there is little evidence he can walk the walk.

All hat...no cattle.

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#110 DSF
November 09 2013, 06:02PM
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Hockey Problems wrote:

I don't understand how the rodeo can be in town ...

I just saw the clowns on the ice, playin the Flyers in Philly this very morning !!

The livestock is currently helping to air out Rexall Place.

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#111 Rama Lama
November 09 2013, 06:03PM
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I wish the problem was as simple as your article suggests...........it's our skaters. Really, so we are back to this being simply a player problem?

Well I'm not buying that as the sole issue anymore. Let's see, Patrick Roy came to a team very similar in skill to ours at basically the same development curve as we are in and they are off and running.

Yea Patrick had absolutely nothing to do with the start, it was all the players that decided to play for him.

Why do our player NOT play for MR. Fitness?

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#112 Hockey Problems
November 09 2013, 06:05PM
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Why do people compare Mickey Mouse with being unsuccessful pretty damn successful if you ask me... More like wiley e coyote organization! Geez!

We can't call it that... The Coyotes win once in a while. Mickey Mouse sums it up. Mickey, Mini, Goofy, Pluto... and don't forget the young guns Hewey, Lewey, and Dewey !!!

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#113 Spaz
November 09 2013, 06:06PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Of a level of play regressing to the mean?

Pretty high I gather…

The only factors we know about for Gs for sharp and sustained drops in performance (injury and age) don't appear to be in play.

I wonder if there are any statistics on equipment changes?

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#114 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 06:10PM
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Spaz wrote:

I wonder if there are any statistics on equipment changes?

Not that I'm aware of.

However, all the goaltenders are subject to the same pressure in this instance.

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#115 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 06:11PM
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DSF wrote:

Loss of confidence is HUGE factor in performance.

One of those "intangibles" I keep hearing about.

Not enough fights probably aren't helping him either :)

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#116 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 06:12PM
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Spaz wrote:

I wonder if there are any statistics on equipment changes?

I wonder if there are any statistics on Justin Schultz playing in front of you?

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#117 Kirk brackenberry
November 09 2013, 06:12PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I wish the problem was as simple as your article suggests...........it's our skaters. Really, so we are back to this being simply a player problem?

Well I'm not buying that as the sole issue anymore. Let's see, Patrick Roy came to a team very similar in skill to ours at basically the same development curve as we are in and they are off and running.

Yea Patrick had absolutely nothing to do with the start, it was all the players that decided to play for him.

Why do our player NOT play for MR. Fitness?

These softies are coach killers. As soon as we trade away the redundancies and get some beef with heart the coach will look fine.

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#118 DSF
November 09 2013, 06:19PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

One of those "intangibles" I keep hearing about.

Not enough fights probably aren't helping him either :)

Not all things that can be counted matter.

Not all things that matter can be counted.

- A. Einstein.

(although I'm pretty sure you think you're smarter.)

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#119 Gerald R. Ford
November 09 2013, 06:20PM
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@DSF

That may be the most sobering statistic of this sad mess. I can't wait for THAT question this off-season!

"So, Craig... where are you going to find those extra THIRTY-ONE (!) wins just to crawl into the playoffs this year?"

"..."

Yikes!

Does Katz even know what's happening these days? I know it's hard to see over the Rockies...

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#120 Hockey Problems
November 09 2013, 06:26PM
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Man, this is about to get even uglier !!

I live in a drinking town, with a Hockey Problem !!

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#121 Kirk brackenberry
November 09 2013, 06:26PM
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Gerald R. Ford wrote:

That may be the most sobering statistic of this sad mess. I can't wait for THAT question this off-season!

"So, Craig... where are you going to find those extra THIRTY-ONE (!) wins just to crawl into the playoffs this year?"

"..."

Yikes!

Does Katz even know what's happening these days? I know it's hard to see over the Rockies...

Oh remember we have these great defenders nurse and klefbom cause smid was expendable and they will save the day....*tongue meet cheek

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#122 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 09 2013, 06:26PM
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Watching the Leafs/Bruins game right now. We look like a WHL team next to Boston. Like, it's not even close. I ragged on Eller after he called us a junior team and we beat them. I'm now in the process of shoving my foot as far into my mouth as I can get it.

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#123 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 06:26PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

One of those "intangibles" I keep hearing about.

Not enough fights probably aren't helping him either :)

That's correct...not enough fights aren't helping him either. Soft defensemen are not helping him either. Centres who don't back check are not helping him either. And a team still learning a rookie coaches systems are not helping either. And small players who lose puck possession battles are not helping either. And centres who can't win face offs aren't helping him either.............and NONE of these things are intangible. What's truly intangible is your misuse and abuse of statistics.

And I'm not defending Dubnyk...I think he's missed his window of opportunity....but what I am defending is people who talk about non numerical tangible events against people like you who condescendingly speak about these events as if they have no consequence. In my opinion, you need to be more disciplined. And I'm not ramming this down your throat, I'm open to discussing it.

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#124 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 06:30PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

One of those "intangibles" I keep hearing about.

Not enough fights probably aren't helping him either :)

That's correct...not enough fights aren't helping him either. Soft defensemen are not helping him either. Centres who don't back check are not helping him either. And a team still learning a rookie coaches systems are not helping either. And small players who lose puck possession battles are not helping either. And centres who can't win face offs aren't helping him either.............and NONE of these things are intangible. What's truly intangible is your misuse and abuse of statistics.

And I'm not defending Dubnyk...I think he's missed his window of opportunity....but what I am defending is people who talk about non numerical tangible events against people like you who condescendingly speak about these events as if they have no consequence. In my opinion, you need to be more disciplined. And I'm not ramming this down your throat, I'm open to discussing it.

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#125 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 09 2013, 06:35PM
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On the plus side, watching actual NHL teams play is refreshing my interest in hockey.

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#126 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 06:35PM
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DSF wrote:

Not all things that can be counted matter.

Not all things that matter can be counted.

- A. Einstein.

(although I'm pretty sure you think you're smarter.)

Not smart enough to presume I can gauge another man's level of confidence and its affect on his play.

Also, not smart enough to presume I can interpret body language and many other things.

I take a modest view of what someone can know.

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#127 Alsker
November 09 2013, 06:37PM
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woodenshoes wrote:

How about the Eddie Shore method where he tied a rope around his goalies neck and tied it to the cross bar b/c he thought his goalie was going down too soon. With Dubnyk you'd have to hang it from the rafters as he's so tall, and with today's CBA the NHLPA would have a field day but we can dream right?

That would work tho I feel the team may be at legal risk. My way its simply an unfortunate accident that the life guard is an Oilers fan.

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#128 Spaz
November 09 2013, 06:38PM
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How about the Eddie Shore method where he tied a rope around his goalies neck and tied it to the cross bar b/c he thought his goalie was going down too soon. With Dubnyk you'd have to hang it from the rafters as he's so tall, and with today's CBA the NHLPA would have a field day but we can dream right?

I don't think he needs any more help when it comes to choking.

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#129 Alsker
November 09 2013, 06:39PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

On the plus side, watching actual NHL teams play is refreshing my interest in hockey.

You`re a better man than me, there is no way I tune into a game unless the fLames are losing. It just hurts too much.

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#130 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 06:41PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

That's correct...not enough fights aren't helping him either. Soft defensemen are not helping him either. Centres who don't back check are not helping him either. And a team still learning a rookie coaches systems are not helping either. And small players who lose puck possession battles are not helping either. And centres who can't win face offs aren't helping him either.............and NONE of these things are intangible. What's truly intangible is your misuse and abuse of statistics.

And I'm not defending Dubnyk...I think he's missed his window of opportunity....but what I am defending is people who talk about non numerical tangible events against people like you who condescendingly speak about these events as if they have no consequence. In my opinion, you need to be more disciplined. And I'm not ramming this down your throat, I'm open to discussing it.

Well, I'm not defending Dubnyk either.

And, I'm not saying something like "confidence" shouldn't be open to discussion…

I'm just saying we should be more modest about assuming a casual relationship about something we can know very little about, i.e., another person's psychological state and it's affect on performance.

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#131 Shaun
November 09 2013, 06:42PM
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We won't make the playoffs so we should fail the rest of the season and draft Aaron Ekbald

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#132 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 09 2013, 06:47PM
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@Alsker

I used to think that way too, my friend. I can't cheer for another team with any real conviction, I've bled Oil for too long. But after the last few years, I've started watching real teams just for the hockey. Greatest game on Earth!

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#133 Ari Gold
November 09 2013, 06:52PM
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I read this on TSN today. Made me quite sad, because it's totally true.

"rockmesockme 2 hours ago

I'm done. I liked to come here and take shots at the Oilers because I thought that they would be a formidable team this year. This isn't fun anymore. Honestly, this is an unmitigated disaster. No fan of any team deserves this"

Shame on Oilers management for allowing this cluster-f@ck.

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#134 Alsker
November 09 2013, 06:58PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

I used to think that way too, my friend. I can't cheer for another team with any real conviction, I've bled Oil for too long. But after the last few years, I've started watching real teams just for the hockey. Greatest game on Earth!

I`ll wait for the olympics and see if that helps, besides womans curling is on: Harder More More HARDER!!! Got to love the girls.

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#135 Kirk brackenberry
November 09 2013, 06:58PM
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Really sad thing is this could just be the start of it...and the same people who created it are steering it still...fcuk

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#136 2004Z06
November 09 2013, 06:59PM
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I agree. Frankly watching how bad this team is coached, watching the same mistakes over and over again, I could care less if theirs a new coach.

Find a coach who knows defence, and can instill confidence, and who has track record. Give him 60 games to implement his system for next year.

I was so anti Sutter when they hired Krueger, but I have changed my mind, because this team needs "Hitchcockian" transformation. Sutter the guy I want, cause Sutter's get things done. I want boring winning hockey, proper systems, coaches who scare you into being a better team, who don't take crap from anyone.

I'm going to go read draft previews.

Coach doesn't mean squat if the players refuse to commit!

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#137 DK0
November 09 2013, 07:03PM
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Can we get an article about how the Oilers are really nice guys? I mean look how happy Giroux is!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1466056_762457317102804_2079326028_n.jpg

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#138 Serious Gord
November 09 2013, 07:03PM
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Leafs/Bruins = enjoyable hockey

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#139 Seriously
November 09 2013, 07:03PM
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Next game against Chicago... (heavy sigh!!) wonder if the oilers are feeling like a heard of cattle off to the slaughter house!! When SC shows a view of the players on the bench, they look look so rejected. Zero confidence! Painful!

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#140 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 07:08PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Well, I'm not defending Dubnyk either.

And, I'm not saying something like "confidence" shouldn't be open to discussion…

I'm just saying we should be more modest about assuming a casual relationship about something we can know very little about, i.e., another person's psychological state and it's affect on performance.

Fair enough......and I think we should be more modest about the value statistics have and the assumptions we make based on them. Respectfully, I find the advanced stats to be helpful in many ways. For instance, they can give us a snap shot of a players performance in several specific areas of endeavour, or a snap shot or assessment of a teams standing or progress in similar specific ways.

But the are more things that aren't measured and compared, that have, in my opinion, more importance than the things we do measure and compare in hockey today.

You call them intangible,I say they are not. The fighting spirit of a Theron Fluery is not measurable and yet the effects of that spirit are not intangible, and had great value and great causal effect. The effect that Dave Semenko fighting had on the overall success of the 80's Oilers and there overall performance, can't be measured...but it is not intangible...and it's effects were tremendous...and that's not just my opinion, that's Wayne Gretzky's opinion.

While statistics can be useful, they typically measure a specific event type, and seldom measure the relationship between specific events, or the causal relationships between multiple simultaneous events. Further to this.....most of these simple statistics do not account for second and third order event consequences. For example, a smaller skilled team may suffer more injuries because of physical size...second order event...more AHL players on roster, or younger players on roster...leads to decreased performance in other areas.

Finally there's cause and effect....team "abc" leads the league in blocked shots....is that because they're well coached and play good positional hockey? Or because they suck and the puck is always in there end?

I think we all need to be more disciplined when drawing conclusions, whether stats based or otherwise.

Unless of course were on Oilersnation....where's it's no holds barred and anything goes!

Sincerely New Age Sys

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#141 Alsker
November 09 2013, 07:09PM
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Kirk brackenberry wrote:

Really sad thing is this could just be the start of it...and the same people who created it are steering it still...fcuk

Even if the ship is upside down(had quick flashback to MADS poopside down adventure), as long as it remains afloat(profitable) will they even care?

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#142 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 07:21PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

I think suggesting it is more likely a goaltender in a long slump (with no evident injury and not at the age one usually sees performance falter) will regress to the mean is a pretty modest and qualified statement.

No one is making some bold, radical suggestion here.

And, I don't see anyone discounting "fighting spirit." I would however, challenge the bias that is ever prevalent when such things are doled out at the lunch counter.

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#143 Bryzarro World
November 09 2013, 07:27PM
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Clarko wrote:

Because firing our coach has worked brilliantly the last 4 times we did it...

It would have if we hired the right guy. Klowe might know about "winning" but he knows jack about hiring a coach...

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#144 Batfink
November 09 2013, 07:36PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Coach doesn't mean squat if the players refuse to commit!

So, I want to sell you my '91 dodge 1500 2wd V6. It'd be a good vehicle, if you'd only by it. Come onnnnnn. Please buy my hunk of crap! No? You can tell it's a P.O.S just by looking at it? Maybe you should just buy it. It'll be fine.

It if looks like a duck....

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#145 Cameron
November 09 2013, 07:36PM
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"Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore!"

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#146 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think suggesting it is more likely a goaltender in a long slump (with no evident injury and not at the age one usually sees performance falter) will regress to the mean is a pretty modest and qualified statement.

No one is making some bold, radical suggestion here.

And, I don't see anyone discounting "fighting spirit." I would however, challenge the bias that is ever prevalent when such things are doled out at the lunch counter.

Hey Rom, I have no issue with regression to the mean......I'm just asking that you and others in the Stats Pack, and I use the term respectfully, would give a little more consideration to qualifying the conclusions you draw from statistics, or perhaps more importantly, the conclusions you draw regarding events that are typically viewed as non statistical or unmeasurable. While these events may not fall in your bailiwick, they are real, and of sincere importance to others, like me.

I highly value the role age, experience, size, character, desire, courage, aggression, toughness, emotion, selflessness, coaching, player development, coordinated team play, etc have to play in the game. And to be summarily dismissive of these factors because we can't easily measure them is both closed minded and irritating.

So all I'm really asking is for a little awareness that this is how some people perceive the game and derive their enjoyment of the game.

Please and thank you, ORG

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#147 Harlie
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Poor drafting. Poor development. Poor depth. Poor top 6. Poor D. Poor Goaltending. Poor Coaching. Grebeshkov.

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#148 DSF
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Not smart enough to presume I can gauge another man's level of confidence and its affect on his play.

Also, not smart enough to presume I can interpret body language and many other things.

I take a modest view of what someone can know.

There are many adjectives I would use to describe you.

Modest is very, very far down the list.

If there are many things that you can't know, what you can know is very much diminished in its import.

Anyone who has played competitive sports will be able to tell you that confidence is a major factor in performance...but I'm sure you will slough it off because you can't measure it.

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#149 Quintana
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Why in the hell we fired Tambo? Man I miss him...

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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Hey Rom, I have no issue with regression to the mean......I'm just asking that you and others in the Stats Pack, and I use the term respectfully, would give a little more consideration to qualifying the conclusions you draw from statistics, or perhaps more importantly, the conclusions you draw regarding events that are typically viewed as non statistical or unmeasurable. While these events may not fall in your bailiwick, they are real, and of sincere importance to others, like me.

I highly value the role age, experience, size, character, desire, courage, aggression, toughness, emotion, selflessness, coaching, player development, coordinated team play, etc have to play in the game. And to be summarily dismissive of these factors because we can't easily measure them is both closed minded and irritating.

So all I'm really asking is for a little awareness that this is how some people perceive the game and derive their enjoyment of the game.

Please and thank you, ORG

Nice.

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