Disaster

Jonathan Willis
November 09 2013 03:09PM

The Edmonton Oilers had a chance on Saturday to pick up two points from one of the league's worst teams. They had healthy bodies back, the Flyers had lost two straight, and this game represented a real opportunity to start things turning around after a strong effort in a win over Florida and a stronger one in a loss to Tampa Bay.

It didn't happen.

Losing Badly

It's not just that the Oilers lost, or who they lost against, but how they lost. Some fans will want to place the blame on Devan Dubnyk - who was actually reasonably solid until that fourth goal - or on the referees for mistakenly assessing a major penalty against an innocent Anton Belov.

But the real problem was the skaters. The following chart shows on-ice scoring chances at even-strength for the Oilers forwards against Philadelphia, as counted by me.

Player EV+ EV- Percentage
Luke Gazdic 0 1 0.0%
Jordan Eberle 1 7 12.5%
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1 6 14.3%
Boyd Gordon 1 4 20.0%
Ryan Smyth 1 4 20.0%
Taylor Hall 4 8 33.3%
Jesse Joensuu 1 2 33.3%
Mark Arcobello 2 4 33.3%
Sam Gagner 4 6 40.0%
Ales Hemsky 5 7 41.7%
David Perron 3 3 50.0%
Nail Yakupov 2 1 66.7%

And for the defence:

Player EV+ EV- Percentage
Nick Schultz 1 6 14.3%
Taylor Fedun 1 5 16.7%
Andrew Ference 2 9 18.2%
Jeff Petry 2 7 22.2%
Philip Larsen 6 6 50.0%
Anton Belov 6 5 54.5%

For the most part, it was the Oilers' best players getting killed against the Flyers. Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Taylor Hall all had among the worst marks on the team in this regard. These are the guys that typically push results - and did last year, even as the rest of the team gave everything back and then some. On defence, the Oilers top pairing of Andrew Ference and Jeff Petry were lit up, too.

The Oilers play in Chicago tomorrow. It seems unlikely to go well.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Jofa
November 10 2013, 03:25AM
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Sure am glad we rushed these guys into the NHL. Imagine how much better this team could have been if we transitioned them into professionals rather than dropping junior players onto the team and expecting them to lead us to the promised land.

Extremely disappointing how this rebuild opportunity is being squandered. These seasons of failure and ineptitude make the Atlanta Thrashers look like an enviable team building approach, and GMs like Jay Feaster look like geniuses. What a waste this is turning out to be.

It's in Katz's hands now, which doesn't give me much comfort. Please, clean house and bring in some experienced hockey minds to run this team, preferably with no connection to the Edmonton glory years, before it is too late to salvage this rebuilding disaster.

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#52 Geoff
November 09 2013, 03:13PM
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Well Philly is a top NHL team, it's not like they are playing the worst team in the league.

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#53 Sloppy Joe
November 09 2013, 04:23PM
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Who? wrote:

Tyler who? Sick of these bloggers. LoweTide and his band of wannabe typists wear me out. No insight, nothing new, and where does their so called expertise come from.

Give me legitimate journalists like Spector.

Holy moly. Mark "Grrrrriiiiittttt" Spector. The same Mark Spector who wanted to run Ben Eager on the top line.

As much as the oilers' management makes it hard to be a fan, the amount of pure, unbridled stupidity within the fanbase makes it even harder.

JW - I would cry myself to sleep every night if put in the work that you do, only to find out that a large portion of my audience was "special". You must have skin as thick as a rhino.

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#54 -30
November 09 2013, 04:26PM
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Does this team suffer from owner interference/incompetence? I am beginning to think so.

How on earth can one team continually make the same mistakes over and over again? They tease us with a period of encouraging play and then tank it because of what seems to be indifference.

There is a culture of losing here from top to bottom and that includes players, coaches, managers and owner.

How can otherwise brilliant business people be so stupid when it comes to running a professional sports franchise?

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#55 Clarko
November 09 2013, 05:01PM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

The Oilers have effectively given up and stopped trying. Why? Because earlier in the season it didn’t matter how many goals they would score, DD would find a way to let more in. Just like in this game when the team is getting back into it, DD finds a way to let a weak short side goal in.

Do not get so use to watching DD sieve it up that you begin to think it’s normal. DD let 4 goals in against one of the worst teams in the NHL.

Hopefully they start trying again and Bryz is enough to spark them. I think it will take Bryz to stand on his head and show this team he is for real for them to put in the same effort they did in the first 5 games of the season (hopefully Bryz is capable of that).

Basically what we feared most has happened. Letting DD be a failure back there game after game has completely deflated and defeated this team, let’s just hope they can recover with a new goalie (if he plays well).

Stop giving all the other players on this team an excuse not to put in a good effort. Has Dubnyk been bad? Absolutely. But that doesn't give an excuse for the rest of the team to give up.

It is funny that a lot of fans are willing to blame one player for all of this teams woes. But this team also ranks 13th out 14 teams in their conference in goals scored. Bad goaltending and terrible defensive zone coverage (too hard to count how many Flyers had wide open opportunities in the slot today) PLUS no goal scoring support will plummet a team down the standing extremely fast.

This abomination of a team is the ENTIRE team's fault...not just one player's.

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#56 Dan 1919
November 09 2013, 05:10PM
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@Clarko

You’re right, but DD is the main reason. Don’t get me wrong, the Oilers are not awesome with an average goalie, but they would be in around 9th place right now had DD not single-handedly lost 4-6 games so far this season (the definite four being at the start).

Watching RNH, and Hall give the puck away play after play is getting old. Eberle is stick handling into the corner all the time now like Gagner and Cogs were famous for. The worst part is they give it away at the worst place (blue line entering the zone) so it handcuffs the entire team giving the opposition constant rushes down the ice.

But again, the lack of just good strong hockey plays by the young guns is IMO Klowes fault. When he blew this team up he didn’t leave anybody for these young guys to mentor and learn from about what good solid shifts are night after night. He left a bunch of AHL’ers and washed up NHL’ers collecting the last year or two of NHL paycheques before no one would sign them.

Look at Calgary, in the middle of a rebuild but still guys that compete every night, we haven’t had a team that competes every night since the playoff run.

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#57 Hockey Problems
November 09 2013, 06:26PM
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Man, this is about to get even uglier !!

I live in a drinking town, with a Hockey Problem !!

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#58 IsaacsRevenge
November 09 2013, 11:08PM
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Oasis wrote:

One word........"paragraphs".

Try them sometime.

Well, my emotions boiled over and I forgot how to write a proper novel. Did you happen to get through what I said and have an opinion on it? Or are you just a freelance late-night blog editor?

And I have a word for you: feelings. You hurt mine.

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#59 Oilcruzer
November 09 2013, 04:23PM
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Hair bag wrote:

Duby has been brutal most of the year but today wasn't his fault - he kept them in the game. Every goal Philly scored was from a good quality chance or a snipe by a skilled shooter.

Meh.

A good (not outstanding... GOOD) goalie keeps you in the game. He makes that save on the third goal, instead of leaving the post early.

The right (his left) post was not in need of protection until after Giroux began to cross past Ference.

In order to have a bad run, you have to have a good run. What if this run is his best? Do we wait for the worst?

And don't run off on past year's performances. This is now or otherwise we may as well start talking about dressing Andy Moog or Grant Fuhr based on their past performances.

This happy go lucky, it'll get better attitude is no good either. I'd like to see Dubey get mad, break sticks, throw equipment, SHOW SOME DAMN EMOTION AND FRUSTRATION!

Hope Bunz has a solid start tonight for OKC.

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#60 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 04:45PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Oh no, I'm quite easily baited :)

Besides, it's not really that bad. I've had some poor experiences with individuals, but by and large the readers here and on Twitter and elsewhere have been awfully good to me.

To borrow from Joe Walsh, I can't complain though sometimes I still do.

JW, I enjoy what you bring...the advanced stats etc.....on the other hand I think the advanced stats crowd is in its early stages in hockey and draw too many conclusions based on numbers that paint only a small part of the picture that is hockey.

Having said that, any blogger/ analyst who quotes Joe Walsh is OK by me!

"And we don't need the ladies cryin cause the stories sad"

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#61 Boo,u useless Oiler garbage !!
November 09 2013, 05:12PM
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D-Unit wrote:

It would be nice to see some frustration from the Oilers with all the losing. Wouldn't mind seeing someone do something nasty, like a cross check to someone's teeth. But sadly the Oil have no fight, no heart, no backbone.

I agree. But we all know MUFFINS can't fight, don't have heart, or a spine. Can we petition to change the name of Rexall to The Bakery?? Cuz we got a basket full of muffins right about now.

Each year the management makes changes. They change a third liner here for a ... Um, well a third liner there. The third and fourth line players at least try to check, and play with heart. The problem is the kids don't. Don't beleive me ?!? How has the team improved, now that we're in the fourth year with Hall and Ebs. Nuge still plays with the strength of a fourteen year old girl. And Yak, I think he's trying to memorize the ingredients for a Russian Red Bull. He's out to lunch man. This team is small and weak. I've got the solution... We can just finish last and get that Reinhart kid...

Wait a minute...

What ?!?...

He's 6'1...175lbs !!!

"We can out DAZZLE em with our blinding skill !!!

Please ?!?! Not another one !!!

Shoot me now cuz I have foreseen the future!!!

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#62 Pete
November 09 2013, 08:53PM
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Do any of you turds ever go outside?

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#63 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 11:21PM
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@DSF

Not sure what we are arguing about here.

Trading for Vis = excellent move

Trading Vis for Whitney = absolute calamity

If you disagree with this (and you must, otherwise why keep pressing the issue) tell me why… you haven't made a case against these obvious points yet.

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#64 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
November 10 2013, 08:50AM
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This is much like watching the movie Perfect Storm. Lowe is over confident captain, heading into the wave of competition he has no clue on how to compete with.

This continues in the coming years. As ticket prices continue to rise, and fan interest tails off considerably, Katz will have his hands out yet again at City Hall when what's left of this team moves over into a 2/3rds empty new facility.

Little joy will remain in Oilersnation when Katz finally realizes his ole party buddy was an All Hat, no Cattle wannabe pilot of an NHL team. He'll eventually have to ask Kevin to leave Edmonton, but a good boat/franchise is totally useless when it rests at the bottom of the ocean.

Lowe needs to go NOW, before it's too late. Can't have this poser running things when these kids want to salvage what's left of their careers.

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#65 Cold Hard Truth
November 10 2013, 09:16AM
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What we are witnessing -- and it appears to becoming increasingly obvious to most fans -- is the manifestation of an unaccountable and unprofessional management structure.

It is not one or two trivial problems, like goal tending or poor tactics -- in spite of what apologists like Jonathan Willis will have you believe. The problems are deep-seated. And only after we purge the Lowe regime, and install a management structure based off merit and accountability, will the healing process begin.

For the naysayers, ask yourself this:

Would MacTavish have been hired as GM if he did not have a personal connection with Kevin Lowe?

That's the real problem with the Oilers.

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#66 Randaman
November 09 2013, 04:49PM
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Hair bag wrote:

Duby has been brutal most of the year but today wasn't his fault - he kept them in the game. Every goal Philly scored was from a good quality chance or a snipe by a skilled shooter.

I don't get this obvious trend of Dubnyk being on his knees ALL the f$&@! Time. That has to have something to do with coaching in my mind. Chabot should be shown the door with Lowe, Bucky & Smith. You can't stop high shots from your knees. Huff said. What a sad team we have. Mac T can't fix it all at once and Eakins should be given at least a full season so I give them a pass on the firing parade that should take place. Come on Katz, get off your throne and do SOMETHING!!

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#67 Newj
November 09 2013, 04:51PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Formula for disaster

Have a new owner hire his buddy to run his NHL team.Then hire a rookie GM who hires a rookie coach because he gets a man crush.The rookie coach is then saddled with the owners buddy, buddies as assistant coaches.

How could that ever go wrong?

True, it started at the top - this formula for disaster.

Its been stated repeatedly, this organization has regressed. Very difficult to remain optimistic unless meaningful changes in management are made.

Also as stated before, the dismissal of Kevin Lowe or MacTavish will not likely alter results this year, but changes are needed in management to move forward in the long run. Why wait until next year to implement those changes?

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#68 Serious Gord
November 09 2013, 05:48PM
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DSF wrote:

How bad are the Oilers?

In past seasons, the playoff cutoff was 94-95 points.

This season, with the absolute dominance by the WC (except the Oilers), it'll take a lot more to get in the post season.

The final wild card spot is currently held by the Minnesota Wild.

They are on pace for 106 points.

The Oilers are on pace for 45 points.

Missing the playoffs by 61 points (should current trends continue) should be a firing offence from the top of the corporate ladder all the way to the bottom.

Agree on all points.

What is annoying me of late is the resistance on the part of many in the EDM sports media - Stauffer and Brown most notably to not criticize Eakins for the lack of effort by the team and the lack of discipline.

And yet it was Eakins who personally guaranteed that the team would always play with effort.

The fall back excuse of many is that we have already had too many coaching changes in a short period.

I say to heck with that. If the coach is failing - and Eakins is arguably failing and inarguably not progressing - firing makes sense regardless of the turnover rate.

What if the oil finish with fewer than 20 wins? Is that grounds to fire Eakins? How could anyone justify keeping him?

I suspect we may see Kreuger 2.0 - management and the press stand foursquare behind Eakins at the end of the season and then a few weeks/months later... he's out the door, and the press says they knew it all along...

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#69 Hockey Problems
November 09 2013, 08:15PM
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Overwatchedandunderpaid wrote:

People can keep complaining about the coaching but there has to come a time as fans that you realize that after all the coaching changes in the past couple of years and the same results that its not the coaches problem. Every year we get a new coach and we get air in our sails and we are filled with positive messages from the coach and we agree with what he says but when the season starts everything falls apart and who else is there to blame but the coach. We can throw any coach under this awful team right now and it wont change the results. The players have to want to play and want to compete to be successful. Until you have that you can throw as many coaches into the fire as you want, nothing will change.

The problem is that the Oilers are TOO soft for almost any defensive strategy. 4 coaches. 1 problem. SOFT !!!

Nuge: Soft

Ebs: Soft

Hall: Soft

Yak: Soft

Gags: Soft

Hemsky: Soft

Arcobello: Soft

Jones: Soft

Petry: Soft

N. Schultz: Soft

J. Schultz: Soft

Larsen: Soft

What has been done in recent history to make this team harder to play against ?! Trade away Smid.

Trade away Brown.

Ya. Wow, teams are shakin in their boots !!

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#70 Rheal1
November 10 2013, 03:56AM
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Every single decision taken by the management reeks idiocy. This team and its managers are the butt end of many jokes. The Oilers are -sigh- a useless franchise at this stage. I'd rather see Katz move this embarrassment away. In any case I feel sad as the Oilers are imploding. It is happening. Now. This team can actually get worst than it already is. How much more ill can KLowe do to this team?

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#71 Batfink
November 10 2013, 08:06AM
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So, I think what we're looking for is the 'common denominator'. When all the electrical outlets on circuit in your house stop working, can it be ALL the outlets (players) have failed? Possible, yes. Probable, no. So, what binds these outlets together? The circuit breaker (coach). You've discovered that you've put the wrong one in again, too light duty. Doesn't matter that you've changed it 3 times already in the last couple years. First one (PQ) is obsolete, can't buy it anymore. So you've replaced it with the second one (TR) that kinda works, but isn't great. The third one (RK) you barely use as you think you have found the perfect circuit breaker that says all the right things on the box. Only the manufacturers (GM) promises are BS. And you have to keep it for 4 yrs as it was expensive and on the credit. Get the right part for the job, doesn't matter how many you've had, do your homework do it right.

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#72 DSF
November 10 2013, 10:29AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

You are all insane.

The Whitney deal is clearly BS, but the Lubo trade was magical and had the team kept him they would have been in far greater shape going forward.

3Cs and bottom pairing Ds are way more replaceable than top pairing Ds. Everyone knows this. DSF knows this (when Oilers aren't involved).

We've been looking for Vis ever since he left.

http://oilersnation.com/2009/8/14/the-oilers-won-the-visnovsky-trade

Ask yourself....

Why exactly did Dean Lombardi trade Visnovsky?

Visnovosky was traded to Edmonton in June 2008.

In the 2008 draft, the Kings had selected Drew Doughty, Colten Teubert and Slava Voynov with their first 3 picks.

Lombardi was in full rebuild mode and knew he could create a more balanced roster by moving an over paid veteran to create more balance in his lineup.

Since Lombardi understood that winning teams are built from the back end out and down the middle, the anchors of his young developing roster now looked like this:

G: Quick Bernier

D: Doughty

C: Kopitar, Stoll

Only then, once the foundation of a solid young team was in place, did he start adding forwards.

2009: Schenn, Clifford, Vey, Nolan 2010: Toffoli

Since taking over in 2006, Lombardi had also had spectacular success in the draft with Bernier, Trevor Lewis, Wayne Simmonds, Dwight King, Alex Martinez and Andrei Loktionov.

He had acquired so many solid assets and had managed the cap so well by moving players like Visnovsky, that he was now able to acquire the final pieces in Richards and Carter.

So, while you say the Oilers have been looking for Visnovsky ever since they traded him, what they should have been looking for is Drew Doughty.

With so many top 10 picks in the last 10 drafts they should have been able to acquire a #1D one way or the other but as of this morning their best defenseman is former 2nd round pick, Jeff Petry.

And not only is their D depth weak but they also have close to the worst C depth in the NHL.

Pretty obvious the Lowe regime doesn't have a clue about how to build a winner.

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#73 Clarko
November 09 2013, 04:15PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Someone scored from the goal line in the corner.A back breaker goal after the team battled back into the game.Not sure what game you were watching but the one I watched Dubnyk let in two very questionable goals.

I understand that Dubnyk hasn't been great this season, but our defensive zone coverage today was abysmal. Even on the last goal, you can see Schultz, Smyth, and Gagner covering nobody while Lecavlier stands alone at the side of the net.

The scoring chances were like 2 or 3 to 1 today.

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#74 Batfink
November 09 2013, 04:45PM
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D-Unit wrote:

It would be nice to see some frustration from the Oilers with all the losing. Wouldn't mind seeing someone do something nasty, like a cross check to someone's teeth. But sadly the Oil have no fight, no heart, no backbone.

We knew that when Gags was the victim of enthusiastic amateur dentist Dr Kassian and nobody punched him in the face.

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#75 Dan 1919
November 09 2013, 04:52PM
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The Oilers have effectively given up and stopped trying. Why? Because earlier in the season it didn’t matter how many goals they would score, DD would find a way to let more in. Just like in this game when the team is getting back into it, DD finds a way to let a weak short side goal in.

Do not get so use to watching DD sieve it up that you begin to think it’s normal. DD let 4 goals in against one of the worst teams in the NHL.

Hopefully they start trying again and Bryz is enough to spark them. I think it will take Bryz to stand on his head and show this team he is for real for them to put in the same effort they did in the first 5 games of the season (hopefully Bryz is capable of that).

Basically what we feared most has happened. Letting DD be a failure back there game after game has completely deflated and defeated this team, let’s just hope they can recover with a new goalie (if he plays well).

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#76 Alsker
November 09 2013, 05:04PM
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Randaman wrote:

I don't get this obvious trend of Dubnyk being on his knees ALL the f$&@! Time. That has to have something to do with coaching in my mind. Chabot should be shown the door with Lowe, Bucky & Smith. You can't stop high shots from your knees. Huff said. What a sad team we have. Mac T can't fix it all at once and Eakins should be given at least a full season so I give them a pass on the firing parade that should take place. Come on Katz, get off your throne and do SOMETHING!!

How bout Dubs off ice workout is in a pool with a waterpolo team..no seriously, if he goes down as often in net there he`ll drown.. Can only help

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#77 Smokey
November 09 2013, 05:09PM
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Clarko wrote:

Stop giving all the other players on this team an excuse not to put in a good effort. Has Dubnyk been bad? Absolutely. But that doesn't give an excuse for the rest of the team to give up.

It is funny that a lot of fans are willing to blame one player for all of this teams woes. But this team also ranks 13th out 14 teams in their conference in goals scored. Bad goaltending and terrible defensive zone coverage (too hard to count how many Flyers had wide open opportunities in the slot today) PLUS no goal scoring support will plummet a team down the standing extremely fast.

This abomination of a team is the ENTIRE team's fault...not just one player's.

I'm looking forward to Bryzgalov's comments when he's letting in point blank wristers from the open slot. At least the quotes will be better...I have hope...even if its comedic.

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#78 DSF
November 09 2013, 05:59PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Of a level of play regressing to the mean?

Pretty high I gather…

The only factors we know about for Gs for sharp and sustained drops in performance (injury and age) don't appear to be in play.

Loss of confidence is HUGE factor in performance.

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#79 DSF
November 09 2013, 06:19PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

One of those "intangibles" I keep hearing about.

Not enough fights probably aren't helping him either :)

Not all things that can be counted matter.

Not all things that matter can be counted.

- A. Einstein.

(although I'm pretty sure you think you're smarter.)

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#80 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 09 2013, 06:35PM
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On the plus side, watching actual NHL teams play is refreshing my interest in hockey.

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#81 Rob F
November 10 2013, 08:10AM
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Things i hear from management and their puppets on 630.

sure last year good pk and pp but 5 on 5 no good and this year 5 on 5 is better just a matter of time until our advantage in shots turns this around

oilers started season injured. wait till they have their full line up

this isnt McTs team. wait till he gets his guys in

Now its....hey MacT didnt draft these guys, Tambellini did. Im hearing stuff like........ all Tambellinis fault, and Kruger didnt cut it.....can u say scapegoats.....or where i come from....excuses.....and deflect blame

as soon as Bryzgalof turns into an epic failure, he will also be blamed

i remember just after Oilers went to final in 2006, the cocky attitude this franchise had and laforge strutting around town talking up their accomplishments.....just before jacking up season tickets by a lot and justifying it by the performance on the ice

this is bad....ive had season tickets for 14 years. i go to 2 games per year......i sell them to strangers.........only good thing the franchise has done is print the ticketmaster prices on the tickets.....i now make money on the suffering of others.....not proud of this id rather watch quality on the ice

we've suffered long enough.....REVOLT!

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#82 Cold Hard Truth
November 10 2013, 09:32AM
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One more thing:

MacTavish will hold out on firing Eakins for as long as possible. To do so would be an admission of failure on his part. So if Eakins is indeed the problem, MacTavish won't solve it in order to save face.

Oilers fans need to stop filling up the building. If continue to do so, we deserve what we get. Katz is a business man. He does not care about your loyalty. When he starts seeing sales plummet, the Lowe regime will be out of there pretty darn quick.

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#83 6 ring circus
November 09 2013, 04:24PM
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Gerald R. Ford wrote:

It's only a matter of time before one of these high-potential first round draft picks simply refuses to sign here. I don't think I could blame any kid who'd wait to go back into the draft rather than waste an entry level contract "developing" in this organization.

Dillon Simpson will be the first player that does not sign with the Oiler's, He will not be the last, until there is significant changes at the top of this organization and I wouldn't blame him either for not signing .His dad Craig knows a thing or two about hockey and the Oilers organization and I bet he wouldn't want his kid playing for the Oiler's.

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#84 Spydyr
November 09 2013, 04:31PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Dubnyk will probably play better when people aren't trying to figure out if his putrid play has a historical precedent on blogs.

It works that way, right?

Almost as well as a nice chart.

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#85 D-Unit
November 09 2013, 05:37PM
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So Eakins made headlines by changing things in the dressing room, taking the old pictures down and such, so this team could have it's own identity and not have to live in the shadow of the old greats. But here's a thought, maybe some of the guys from the Great, Good and even mediocre Oilers teams of the past, that are not employed by the Oilers, put him up to it, because this heartless team doesn't deserve to be associated with any past Oilers glory.

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#86 woodenshoes
November 09 2013, 05:59PM
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Alsker wrote:

How bout Dubs off ice workout is in a pool with a waterpolo team..no seriously, if he goes down as often in net there he`ll drown.. Can only help

How about the Eddie Shore method where he tied a rope around his goalies neck and tied it to the cross bar b/c he thought his goalie was going down too soon. With Dubnyk you'd have to hang it from the rafters as he's so tall, and with today's CBA the NHLPA would have a field day but we can dream right?

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#87 Rama Lama
November 09 2013, 06:03PM
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I wish the problem was as simple as your article suggests...........it's our skaters. Really, so we are back to this being simply a player problem?

Well I'm not buying that as the sole issue anymore. Let's see, Patrick Roy came to a team very similar in skill to ours at basically the same development curve as we are in and they are off and running.

Yea Patrick had absolutely nothing to do with the start, it was all the players that decided to play for him.

Why do our player NOT play for MR. Fitness?

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#88 Kirk brackenberry
November 09 2013, 06:12PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I wish the problem was as simple as your article suggests...........it's our skaters. Really, so we are back to this being simply a player problem?

Well I'm not buying that as the sole issue anymore. Let's see, Patrick Roy came to a team very similar in skill to ours at basically the same development curve as we are in and they are off and running.

Yea Patrick had absolutely nothing to do with the start, it was all the players that decided to play for him.

Why do our player NOT play for MR. Fitness?

These softies are coach killers. As soon as we trade away the redundancies and get some beef with heart the coach will look fine.

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#89 Gerald R. Ford
November 09 2013, 06:20PM
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@DSF

That may be the most sobering statistic of this sad mess. I can't wait for THAT question this off-season!

"So, Craig... where are you going to find those extra THIRTY-ONE (!) wins just to crawl into the playoffs this year?"

"..."

Yikes!

Does Katz even know what's happening these days? I know it's hard to see over the Rockies...

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#90 Spydyr
November 10 2013, 05:33AM
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Hockey Problems wrote:

The problem is that the Oilers are TOO soft for almost any defensive strategy. 4 coaches. 1 problem. SOFT !!!

Nuge: Soft

Ebs: Soft

Hall: Soft

Yak: Soft

Gags: Soft

Hemsky: Soft

Arcobello: Soft

Jones: Soft

Petry: Soft

N. Schultz: Soft

J. Schultz: Soft

Larsen: Soft

What has been done in recent history to make this team harder to play against ?! Trade away Smid.

Trade away Brown.

Ya. Wow, teams are shakin in their boots !!

Brown and Smid did not fit in.They were not soft enough.They had to go.

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#91 Woogie63
November 09 2013, 03:27PM
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Has/is the window closed to be a team that will attract a top free agent, college player, or a player from the KHL. Would we rank up there with Buffalo as team that players with no or limited trade contracts have select as the will not accept a trade to?

With 49 players under contract, at the cap, we seem to have very few options but draft well and develop player. Ebs and RNH way over paid for way too long.

I think we are going to watch this group of players for a long time.

Yikes, how are Eskies doing?

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#92 Smokey
November 09 2013, 03:33PM
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Disaster is this past week. This week title is Clusterfudge once our cosmonaut shows up.

Frankly don't get why you don't run Nuge, Ebs and Hall. The line works and is effective even if the puck does not go in the net. You gotta get this team going, and this line has historically been effective. I'd then do some combo of Gordon, Arco, Perron as their going. They can be your toughs line.

Disappointing loss. Bad team, poor line combos, bad goaltending. That's on Eakins.

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#93 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 03:41PM
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A nice chart does not stop pucks a goalie does.Unless it is Dubnyk.Then you are SOL.

The chart doesn't say Dubnyk hasn't been horrible.

It simply says it is not uncommon for average goaltenders to have terrible stretches outside of their historical average.

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#94 Lowe Expectations
November 09 2013, 03:47PM
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When you go out in public and mention the Oilers, people laugh. It's actually better to be ignored than laughed at.

Everybody seems to have an opinion |

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#95 Hair bag
November 09 2013, 03:51PM
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How much longer are you going to defend Dubnyk?

Everyone knows he is not an NHL starter now.Maybe he gets it back in a few years like Tim Thomas but now he is just crap.

Duby has been brutal most of the year but today wasn't his fault - he kept them in the game. Every goal Philly scored was from a good quality chance or a snipe by a skilled shooter.

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#96 kale
November 09 2013, 04:38PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

Its only early November and I am already googleing next years draft.........

What took you so long? I started in October.

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#97 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
November 09 2013, 04:52PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

The bigger problem than Lowe is Katz,He does not hold his hockey management team accountable,he does not care about his fan base, if he did he would've made made changes by now,his only concern is that he gets to hang out with the glory day Oilers and the end result is this sorry excuse of a hockey team we have left after Kevin Lowe has screwed it up so bad.Good luck attracting any free agents here,it wont be much longer before the stars on the team ask for a ticket out of town,as a fan base we are all frustrated and have pretty much given up all hope with Lowe running this team,how do you think the players feel and why would they want to continue to play for such a MICKEY MOUSE ORGANIZATION!!!!

agree, but we cant fire an owner

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#98 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 05:00PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Almost as well as a nice chart.

I hope Rom can take a joke....I have this picture in my mind...it's like that guy in Philly years ago used to sit in row one behind the net and hold up signs throughout the game....the guy had a sign for EVERY occasion......I picture Rom doing this....only instead of signs with words.....it's CHARTS....lots and lots of charts....team has a poor shift....Rom holds a up a CORSI chart...we get scored on ... It's a + - Save % chart......pie charts, bar graphs....THE CROWD LOVES THIS GUY.

Seriously ...the Philly guy was a legend with Fans around the league!

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#99 Spaz
November 09 2013, 06:38PM
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woodenshoes wrote:

How about the Eddie Shore method where he tied a rope around his goalies neck and tied it to the cross bar b/c he thought his goalie was going down too soon. With Dubnyk you'd have to hang it from the rafters as he's so tall, and with today's CBA the NHLPA would have a field day but we can dream right?

I don't think he needs any more help when it comes to choking.

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#100 Kirk brackenberry
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@Ari Gold

Really sad thing is this could just be the start of it...and the same people who created it are steering it still...fcuk

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