Disaster

Jonathan Willis
November 09 2013 03:09PM

The Edmonton Oilers had a chance on Saturday to pick up two points from one of the league's worst teams. They had healthy bodies back, the Flyers had lost two straight, and this game represented a real opportunity to start things turning around after a strong effort in a win over Florida and a stronger one in a loss to Tampa Bay.

It didn't happen.

Losing Badly

It's not just that the Oilers lost, or who they lost against, but how they lost. Some fans will want to place the blame on Devan Dubnyk - who was actually reasonably solid until that fourth goal - or on the referees for mistakenly assessing a major penalty against an innocent Anton Belov.

But the real problem was the skaters. The following chart shows on-ice scoring chances at even-strength for the Oilers forwards against Philadelphia, as counted by me.

Player EV+ EV- Percentage
Luke Gazdic 0 1 0.0%
Jordan Eberle 1 7 12.5%
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1 6 14.3%
Boyd Gordon 1 4 20.0%
Ryan Smyth 1 4 20.0%
Taylor Hall 4 8 33.3%
Jesse Joensuu 1 2 33.3%
Mark Arcobello 2 4 33.3%
Sam Gagner 4 6 40.0%
Ales Hemsky 5 7 41.7%
David Perron 3 3 50.0%
Nail Yakupov 2 1 66.7%

And for the defence:

Player EV+ EV- Percentage
Nick Schultz 1 6 14.3%
Taylor Fedun 1 5 16.7%
Andrew Ference 2 9 18.2%
Jeff Petry 2 7 22.2%
Philip Larsen 6 6 50.0%
Anton Belov 6 5 54.5%

For the most part, it was the Oilers' best players getting killed against the Flyers. Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Taylor Hall all had among the worst marks on the team in this regard. These are the guys that typically push results - and did last year, even as the rest of the team gave everything back and then some. On defence, the Oilers top pairing of Andrew Ference and Jeff Petry were lit up, too.

The Oilers play in Chicago tomorrow. It seems unlikely to go well.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 Harlie
November 09 2013, 07:53PM
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Poor drafting. Poor development. Poor depth. Poor top 6. Poor D. Poor Goaltending. Poor Coaching. Grebeshkov.

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#102 RexHolez
November 09 2013, 09:44PM
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Apparently 8 straight years of being a bottom feeder isn't enough to realize the people in charge have lost touch of today's game. They need to sink lower than low to the point that it physically hurts. They need to fail on an epic level like they have the last few years before changes are truly made

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#103 IsaacsRevenge
November 09 2013, 10:51PM
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Smokey wrote:

If your argument is oh we can't have another coach, so we have stick with a guy who has this team outta the playoffs by November. Are you serious.

Its more then just the coach, I admit. The team has quit, can you not see that? So lets watch them quit for the remainder of the year, lets watch them quit next year. Confidence is gone, and you have to start looking forward to next year cause common sense says its over.

I say get a coach with track record, revamp this team starting now, and build a group for next year. They make same mistakes every game. One offensive player is playing with confidence. You got three goalies with no confidence. Your defence is suspect outside of Petry and maybe Larson. So ya you got three players playing well, lets continue this trend. And lets throw in a media darling who hates winters, and has a fear of bears, and can't stop pucks. And your argument is we can't have another coach. Brilliant. Any other intelligent comment.

Gotta agree here, I don't think this has ever been the right team for a coach without experience. Maybe MacT was smoking what was given to him, but I would not be afraid to ditch this coach for someone who knows how to introduce system play at an NHL level. Your reason can't be 'not again' or 'we did that too much already'. No offense, Eakins, because you didn't know what you were going into. And maybe Mac didn't either, I can stomach that. I think you are doing Eakins and the Oilers a favour by finding someone with experience, otherwise you might wreck the coach, the team and the organization even more. Stop the bleeding.

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#104 Bryzarro World
November 10 2013, 05:46AM
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Oasis wrote:

One word........"paragraphs".

Try them sometime.

Yup. When children crap on a post like this I just skip it. If you can't be bothered to attempt writing properly then I'm not goimg to waste even more of my time trying to read that junk..

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#105 RexHolez
November 10 2013, 07:27AM
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I keep wondering why people keep watching, reading and posting about this pathetic team, then I remember that everyone always looks at an accident when driving by one.

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#106 Loweblows
November 10 2013, 09:16AM
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It's official-these kids have been taught how to lose- can we get Krueger back yet?

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#107 Batfink
November 09 2013, 04:36PM
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Never mind refusing to sign, I'm waiting for the first guy to refuse to play! Last power play, Debrusk actually got something right when he said "you HAVE to get that on net straight off the face-off, not keep it on the boards for 10 seconds." Do people honestly think that Perron would do this if he wasn't told to? He played for Hitch, for Jeebus sake. Terrible coaching. Do the other coaches have ANY input? You can see the players looking behind them on the bench for guidance but the staff say nothing, like zombies! Even with that crappy call on Belov. Get angry Dallas, anything.

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#108 Ed in Edmoton
November 09 2013, 04:57PM
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Thinking about the Smid move of yesterday, I'm thinking perhaps MAcT has already put this season in the history books and is long to next year. Trading a roster player for 2 prospects is hard to interpret any other way.

I'm also wondering is Katz might be pissed that he's paying Grebeshkov 1.5 M to play in the AHL and told MacT he doesn't have a blank check and needs to save some cash.

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#109 Alsker
November 09 2013, 06:58PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

I used to think that way too, my friend. I can't cheer for another team with any real conviction, I've bled Oil for too long. But after the last few years, I've started watching real teams just for the hockey. Greatest game on Earth!

I`ll wait for the olympics and see if that helps, besides womans curling is on: Harder More More HARDER!!! Got to love the girls.

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#110 Phil
November 09 2013, 09:12PM
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When does management get to go through their rebuild?

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#111 Rob F
November 10 2013, 08:13AM
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big slick wrote:

There is only one thing left to do...finish higher than the Flames.

not gonna happen....i heard they got a defenceman recently for some magic beans

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#112 Oiler Al
November 09 2013, 04:32PM
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These players just dont want to or dont know what it takes to win games in the NHL. Very little effort, and energy in their game. Not hard on the puck or body, just going through the motions... Something very wrong with this team. They are either tired or out of shape or just plain dont care anymore.. they havn't all season.

They play a bottom dweller like Philly who were a + 14, while the Oilers were a -14.. Oilers had 2 takeaways and 11 give aways in this game... not exactly hard on the puck team, compared to Philly @ 10 TK and 6 Gv.

In my view, #14, 93, 89, and even 4, didnt show up for this game. They are the core leaders... time to grow some.

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#113 Eddie Shore
November 09 2013, 04:35PM
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-30 wrote:

Does this team suffer from owner interference/incompetence? I am beginning to think so.

How on earth can one team continually make the same mistakes over and over again? They tease us with a period of encouraging play and then tank it because of what seems to be indifference.

There is a culture of losing here from top to bottom and that includes players, coaches, managers and owner.

How can otherwise brilliant business people be so stupid when it comes to running a professional sports franchise?

I'd like to know when Eakins is going to start holding our top players accountable? As long as our guys continue getting their shifts after they make the same mistakes over and over, nothing will change. Start stapling their asses to the bench and start sending the message that it is unacceptable. Our chance of winning diminishes with our top guys sitting but we are losing anyway so what is there to lose? Short term pain for long term gain.

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#114 DSF
November 09 2013, 04:58PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

The chart doesn't say Dubnyk hasn't been horrible.

It simply says it is not uncommon for average goaltenders to have terrible stretches outside of their historical average.

Just because it's "uncommon" doesn't mean he will return to his "historical average".

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#115 Clarko
November 09 2013, 05:09PM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

The last time a bad team scored against another bad team from the goal line their entire coaching staff was fired.

What do you think? A reach? One can dream.

Because firing our coach has worked brilliantly the last 4 times we did it...

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#116 Soccer Steve
November 09 2013, 05:11PM
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Ed in Edmoton wrote:

Thinking about the Smid move of yesterday, I'm thinking perhaps MAcT has already put this season in the history books and is long to next year. Trading a roster player for 2 prospects is hard to interpret any other way.

I'm also wondering is Katz might be pissed that he's paying Grebeshkov 1.5 M to play in the AHL and told MacT he doesn't have a blank check and needs to save some cash.

You spelled edmonton wrong

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#117 Virtual_Xi
November 09 2013, 05:44PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

The bigger problem than Lowe is Katz,He does not hold his hockey management team accountable,he does not care about his fan base, if he did he would've made made changes by now,his only concern is that he gets to hang out with the glory day Oilers and the end result is this sorry excuse of a hockey team we have left after Kevin Lowe has screwed it up so bad.Good luck attracting any free agents here,it wont be much longer before the stars on the team ask for a ticket out of town,as a fan base we are all frustrated and have pretty much given up all hope with Lowe running this team,how do you think the players feel and why would they want to continue to play for such a MICKEY MOUSE ORGANIZATION!!!!

Why do people compare Mickey Mouse with being unsuccessful pretty damn successful if you ask me... More like wiley e coyote organization! Geez!

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#118 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 06:26PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

One of those "intangibles" I keep hearing about.

Not enough fights probably aren't helping him either :)

That's correct...not enough fights aren't helping him either. Soft defensemen are not helping him either. Centres who don't back check are not helping him either. And a team still learning a rookie coaches systems are not helping either. And small players who lose puck possession battles are not helping either. And centres who can't win face offs aren't helping him either.............and NONE of these things are intangible. What's truly intangible is your misuse and abuse of statistics.

And I'm not defending Dubnyk...I think he's missed his window of opportunity....but what I am defending is people who talk about non numerical tangible events against people like you who condescendingly speak about these events as if they have no consequence. In my opinion, you need to be more disciplined. And I'm not ramming this down your throat, I'm open to discussing it.

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#119 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
November 09 2013, 06:47PM
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@Alsker

I used to think that way too, my friend. I can't cheer for another team with any real conviction, I've bled Oil for too long. But after the last few years, I've started watching real teams just for the hockey. Greatest game on Earth!

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#120 Overwatchedandunderpaid
November 09 2013, 07:57PM
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People can keep complaining about the coaching but there has to come a time as fans that you realize that after all the coaching changes in the past couple of years and the same results that its not the coaches problem. Every year we get a new coach and we get air in our sails and we are filled with positive messages from the coach and we agree with what he says but when the season starts everything falls apart and who else is there to blame but the coach. We can throw any coach under this awful team right now and it wont change the results. The players have to want to play and want to compete to be successful. Until you have that you can throw as many coaches into the fire as you want, nothing will change.

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#121 Nimrod
November 10 2013, 01:48AM
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The team is soft and can't play winning hockey. That's not on the coach. It's on the players who already are millionaires, who refuse to put in the effort to win games.

They're coach killers and the $6M boys and their refusal to play a two-way game and their constant dangles and turnovers are trying their hardest to get another coach fired. I think it's time to get rid of one or two of them instead. That's the only way to make them snap out of whatever Oil Change fueled fantasy of being superstars they have and start acting like proper NHL players.

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#122 Rob Gilgan
November 10 2013, 09:07AM
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@Batfink

"So, I think what we're looking for is the 'common denominator'. "

The new common denominator is the arena downtown. Oiler fans will flock to it, regardless of the team's success on the ice. They'll keep buying seasons tickets because it's 'saving the downtown' and a great place to park their lift kit.

The kids, by the way, are the same thing. They don't have to win - we've already told them they're the best thing in hockey and they're making six mill apiece. People love to buy those jerseys and associate themselves wit that success.

Eberle jersey + jacked-up one ton + new arena = who needs a Stanley Cup (and what is that anyway?)

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#123 Oiler Al
November 10 2013, 09:29AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

The Wings have been a top calibre team for 2 decades now. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

The Kings are better now and have a brighter future and look built to last… but who knows what the future holds.

Kings drafting… something special.

DSF and Romulus, spare us this senseless unending drivel, and just go and get a motel room .

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#124 Johnnydapunk
November 09 2013, 04:02PM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Has/is the window closed to be a team that will attract a top free agent, college player, or a player from the KHL. Would we rank up there with Buffalo as team that players with no or limited trade contracts have select as the will not accept a trade to?

With 49 players under contract, at the cap, we seem to have very few options but draft well and develop player. Ebs and RNH way over paid for way too long.

I think we are going to watch this group of players for a long time.

Yikes, how are Eskies doing?

There are options, but it don't think much can be done except damage limitation as there are a lot of contracts that expire at the end of the season.

This won't make any difference in making anything better but here is the contract situation for the Oilers .

Oilers under contract and cap hit

Unfortunately Edmonton is not an easy sell for players, as much as we can deny it and everything, players nowadays would rather live and play somewhere with milder temperatures and perhaps a place where they can be a bit more anonymous. Irrelevant on their performance, I don't agree that players or staff are fair game to be yelled at when they are not at the rink. I am aware than a lot of people are super pissed off that the Oil are crap right now, but screaming at the players or coaches on the street will not solve anything, it will only make it harder and harder to attract players here.

Regarding players wanting to play elsewhere, there are players who of course want to play here because of the history of the club, but sadly the Oilers are on a lot of players list of no trade teams.

Apologies for any rambling, my dental surgery and painkillers have turned me into a gibbering mess :)

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#125 Spydyr
November 09 2013, 04:35PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

These players just dont want to or dont know what it takes to win games in the NHL. Very little effort, and energy in their game. Not hard on the puck or body, just going through the motions... Something very wrong with this team. They are either tired or out of shape or just plain dont care anymore.. they havn't all season.

They play a bottom dweller like Philly who were a + 14, while the Oilers were a -14.. Oilers had 2 takeaways and 11 give aways in this game... not exactly hard on the puck team, compared to Philly @ 10 TK and 6 Gv.

In my view, #14, 93, 89, and even 4, didnt show up for this game. They are the core leaders... time to grow some.

"leaders"

You are funny, you make me laugh.

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#126 Bucknuck
November 09 2013, 05:14PM
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yawto wrote:

I'm just going to start calling Dubnyk the slump buster. If you are on a cold streak, circle Edmonton and pray he is in net. Him and mason had basically the same record at the start of the game, only difference, mason is losing without giving up 4 a game. Ridiculous. Bring on Bryz, it couldn't be worse.

oh no man... you didn't just say it couldn't get worse. Did you?? Did you really??

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#127 Soccer Steve
November 09 2013, 05:22PM
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Clarko wrote:

Because firing our coach has worked brilliantly the last 4 times we did it...

Because Bucky, Smith, et al have such incredible results so far...

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#128 DSF
November 09 2013, 05:35PM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

Haha it should, but the 8th spot playoff team will not have 106 points, things will cool down. Mac-T will have one of the young guns traded this year before the TD if things don’t shape up... or the 1st Rounder traded for a solid piece.

Is one of the guys in the top three projected to end up better than Ebs/Yak, then they will trade one of those guys and keep the pick or vise-versa. The Tambi erra is over, if there’s one thing I’m confident of, it is that.

We'll see.

But I think the final playoff sport in the WC will likely be around 100 points.

The Oilers haven't played many games against the WC yet and that could be very, very ugly.

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#129 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 06:12PM
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Spaz wrote:

I wonder if there are any statistics on equipment changes?

I wonder if there are any statistics on Justin Schultz playing in front of you?

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#130 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
November 09 2013, 06:30PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

One of those "intangibles" I keep hearing about.

Not enough fights probably aren't helping him either :)

That's correct...not enough fights aren't helping him either. Soft defensemen are not helping him either. Centres who don't back check are not helping him either. And a team still learning a rookie coaches systems are not helping either. And small players who lose puck possession battles are not helping either. And centres who can't win face offs aren't helping him either.............and NONE of these things are intangible. What's truly intangible is your misuse and abuse of statistics.

And I'm not defending Dubnyk...I think he's missed his window of opportunity....but what I am defending is people who talk about non numerical tangible events against people like you who condescendingly speak about these events as if they have no consequence. In my opinion, you need to be more disciplined. And I'm not ramming this down your throat, I'm open to discussing it.

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#131 Serious Gord
November 09 2013, 07:03PM
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Leafs/Bruins = enjoyable hockey

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#132 Hemmercules
November 09 2013, 08:32PM
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@Hockey Problems

I have to agree with the overall softness. Is it too much to ask a guy to finish a check? You don't have to be big to check a guy and its not even about drilling guys every time. Give the guy a bump after he passes, let him know you're there. Way too many times they waste the opportunity and skate away. I see nuge checking more guys than eberle and hemsky and Gagner put together, that's weak. If only more of them played like Perron. I wouldn't say all the guys on that list are soft but not one of them is intimidating anyone physically.

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#133 DSF
November 09 2013, 08:32PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Once more.

1. I don't think anyone has drawn unqualified conclusions using stats here. I'm sure it has been done and I'm happy to tell you those people are overstepping what the evidence allows.

2. I don't discount "intangibles" or whathaveyou. I do however caution against over-stating variables highly prone to bias, i.e., interpreting a players' "body language" or "confidence." These are real things that actually affect performance. They are also narratives people often default into.

Of course the only one raising the body language straw man is you.

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#134 outdoorzguy
November 09 2013, 08:52PM
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That's it. Just rush back to Rexall Place because you haven't seen the team live for for 5 games. Keep filling those seats. Keep filling Kat'z's pockets!!

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#135 LoweBlow
November 09 2013, 08:59PM
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I'm calling for Lowe, MacT & Eakins with the rest of the coaching staff to resign. Then we can begin a rebuild that keeps Perron, Gordon, Arcobello, Hall & Belov.

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#136 outdoorzguy
November 09 2013, 09:02PM
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Whenever Ryan Rishaug talks about Oiler players on the TV he refers to them with first and last names or last names only. But when he talks about them on local Edmonton radio he always uses first names only. Too close to the players Rishaug to be impartial? Are you a real live hockey card collector just like Katz?? Either way, this team sucks, and has sucked for the last 15 years. Is anything going to be done about it? I doubt it as long as everyone keeps going to the games and buying the jerseys. Wake up people, stay away, revolt, ask for what you deserve. I you keep putting $$$$$$ in the pockets of Vancouver Katz, he doesn't care. Boycott games, boycott Rexall Place, stop going to preferred Oiler restaurants and stop buying jerseys. MY GOD, WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!

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#137 Pete
November 09 2013, 09:06PM
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outdoorzguy wrote:

Whenever Ryan Rishaug talks about Oiler players on the TV he refers to them with first and last names or last names only. But when he talks about them on local Edmonton radio he always uses first names only. Too close to the players Rishaug to be impartial? Are you a real live hockey card collector just like Katz?? Either way, this team sucks, and has sucked for the last 15 years. Is anything going to be done about it? I doubt it as long as everyone keeps going to the games and buying the jerseys. Wake up people, stay away, revolt, ask for what you deserve. I you keep putting $$$$$$ in the pockets of Vancouver Katz, he doesn't care. Boycott games, boycott Rexall Place, stop going to preferred Oiler restaurants and stop buying jerseys. MY GOD, WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!

Yeah, what he said. Usually when people b#tch about a product they stop using it. STOP USING IT!!

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#138 Rod from Viking
November 09 2013, 10:50PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Carter, Richards and Fraser were trades that LA won.

Oh and Stoll, who were the dummies that traded him?

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#139 Oasis
November 09 2013, 10:56PM
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IsaacsRevenge wrote:

I am usually just a reader, and I hate pouty bitches that come on here and say 'this team sucks, I give up on them'. If the Oilers are your team, they are your team... But... This is wearing even diehards like me very very thin. I honestly think that MacT is pushing this team to see how bad it really is. Watching today's came, the holes were never more obvious. And getting rid of another effort-giving gritty player in Smid? The only message I see here is stop hiding behind others and start playing hard. Take your knocks, learn a system and start getting your personal development back on track. I don't think MacT likes where each players development has gone, and it is showing in their play. It looks like they are resetting back to the third rebuilding year by forcing the team to learn a system and develop individually. This just pisses me the F off because of all of the time we invested in watching the last two years, not realizing it was a complete waste. We were watching the team float on their existing skillset rather than seeing them develop into NHL players. I am glad they are not dishing Ebs away right now. Don't deal until the group you have is able to stabilize and learn system play. To me, the reason why new players came here in the past and failed was due to the lack of development and structure. This year you see a coach with structure, and new players coming in and buying it, but our core rebuild team has never learned structure play. You can't expect new players to want to play here without stability. Further to that, Bryzgalov coming in just introduces more instability in the locker room. I hate it because this only helps strip the locker room down even more. We have to see rock bottom, watch them learn to play through it. This should have been recognized years ago, Tambo didn't see it and KLowe was oblivious. I had no problem with the two of them until now... These games are exposing the real team.

One word........"paragraphs".

Try them sometime.

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#140 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 11:13PM
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DSF wrote:

A saw off...LOL.

Lombardi moved Visnovsky because he wasn't a good fit at his pay grade.

What the Oilers did with that asset subsequently is hardly his fault or his concern.

Sweet F All

Why the Kings traded him is irrelevant.

The team that gets the best player wins, so the old adage goes. Vis was (and still probably is) the best player in that trade and had a lot of miles left.

Not sure how the Oil lost that one. Seems like both teams got what they wanted.

You brought Whitney up in a conversation about Lombardi winning trades. You tell me why it's his fault or concern.

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#141 DSF
November 09 2013, 11:35PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Not sure what we are arguing about here.

Trading for Vis = excellent move

Trading Vis for Whitney = absolute calamity

If you disagree with this (and you must, otherwise why keep pressing the issue) tell me why… you haven't made a case against these obvious points yet.

Your major premise is wrong.

Trading for Vis...moving two young, cheap players for an overpaid vet at the start of a rebuild was not an "excellent move". It was dumb and needed to be corrected shortly thereafter,

Trading Vis for Whitney, who had a documentable injury history was, as you say, a calamity.

And also dumb.

Don't get me started on the Souray situation.

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#142 Rob Gilgan
November 10 2013, 08:51AM
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@LoweBlow

"This is begining to look like Harold Ballard is running this team-- long as the seats are full why make changes."

You nailed it. They prefer the Leafs' business model to the Wings'. When you're selling every seat every night, why change?

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#143 mackb
November 10 2013, 11:06AM
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@Rob F

(Crap. Missed the checkbox to include the quote until it was too late. This comment is in response to your comment #238)

Ahh, but they do (need to stop supporting Oilers Preferred Reastaurants). The only way changes will be made is to stop the flow of money. While it is unfortunate for these restaurants, they made the decision to hitch their trailer to a losing horse. Seasons tickets are already bought and paid for (and I can't blame expect anyone going to the game for requiring 12-18 heroin beers to dull the pain that is the Oilers).

Don't just stop going though. Talk to the owners and managers of the establishments and let them know why you will not be coming back. Restaurant managers are infinitely more accessible than 'Ol Six Rings and crew, but they are a pretty efficient conduit to create change.

In the end, try a new place every second time you would normally make your visit to an OPR, but make your reasons known in a polite but direct way to the OPR management. No one wants to see local businesses fail, but if you let it be known that until the Oilers get their sh1t together, you're not supporting their advertisers, the advertisers will create the required change much more quickly than comments by fans on an Oilers forum will.

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#144 Rob Gilgan
November 10 2013, 11:22AM
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@Cold Hard Truth

"When he starts seeing sales plummet, the Lowe regime will be out of there pretty darn quick."

And one more thing: If i lived in Edmonton right now, had a little extra time on my hands and a passion for Oilers hockey, I'd be getting Rexall bags printed, with eye-holes in them and be giving them out - or selling them with the proceeds to 'challenged youth' outside the arena before the next home game.

And watch how the media jumps on your team when Rexall's lawyers cry foul for trademark infringement.

A veritable media wet dream.

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#146 Woogie63
November 09 2013, 03:37PM
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If we started the season with Ralph, Smith, Bucky, and Action as the co-coach Ralph was looking for... And we got off to this start .... Would they be fired by now?

I know we have gone through a lot of coaches in five years, but lets not show patience with the worst coaching group.

I think we need a coach with more experience to get most out of this team.

This year is done. We have 60 games to learn a new system.

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#147 Alsker
November 09 2013, 05:00PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Oh no, I'm quite easily baited :)

Besides, it's not really that bad. I've had some poor experiences with individuals, but by and large the readers here and on Twitter and elsewhere have been awfully good to me.

To borrow from Joe Walsh, I can't complain though sometimes I still do.

Joe Walsh: haha, wait a minute wasnt he sleeping on the floor `cause he couldn`t find the door, no wait thats me..no worries

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#148 Reality Check to the head
November 09 2013, 05:12PM
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Is it too early to wonder if there is an elite center or Dman who can play for us next year, that will also be available in the first 3 picks of the up coming draft?

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#149 Ed in Edmonton
November 09 2013, 05:29PM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

You spelled edmonton wrong

What can I say, I are an engineer.

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#150 LoweBlow
November 09 2013, 05:52PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Agree on all points.

What is annoying me of late is the resistance on the part of many in the EDM sports media - Stauffer and Brown most notably to not criticize Eakins for the lack of effort by the team and the lack of discipline.

And yet it was Eakins who personally guaranteed that the team would always play with effort.

The fall back excuse of many is that we have already had too many coaching changes in a short period.

I say to heck with that. If the coach is failing - and Eakins is arguably failing and inarguably not progressing - firing makes sense regardless of the turnover rate.

What if the oil finish with fewer than 20 wins? Is that grounds to fire Eakins? How could anyone justify keeping him?

I suspect we may see Kreuger 2.0 - management and the press stand foursquare behind Eakins at the end of the season and then a few weeks/months later... he's out the door, and the press says they knew it all along...

I agree that Eakins is part of the problem but certainly you can't put the majority of the weight on his shoulders. The Oiler management is filled with rookies. Inexperienced owner, president, GM & Coach. Player development on this team is horrific. They aren't taught discipline nor accountability.

I wish they were more like Perron, Gorgon & Arco. Hell I'll throw Belov into a positive. The rest of the team except for Hall can go.

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