Disaster

Jonathan Willis
November 09 2013 03:09PM

The Edmonton Oilers had a chance on Saturday to pick up two points from one of the league's worst teams. They had healthy bodies back, the Flyers had lost two straight, and this game represented a real opportunity to start things turning around after a strong effort in a win over Florida and a stronger one in a loss to Tampa Bay.

It didn't happen.

Losing Badly

It's not just that the Oilers lost, or who they lost against, but how they lost. Some fans will want to place the blame on Devan Dubnyk - who was actually reasonably solid until that fourth goal - or on the referees for mistakenly assessing a major penalty against an innocent Anton Belov.

But the real problem was the skaters. The following chart shows on-ice scoring chances at even-strength for the Oilers forwards against Philadelphia, as counted by me.

Player EV+ EV- Percentage
Luke Gazdic 0 1 0.0%
Jordan Eberle 1 7 12.5%
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1 6 14.3%
Boyd Gordon 1 4 20.0%
Ryan Smyth 1 4 20.0%
Taylor Hall 4 8 33.3%
Jesse Joensuu 1 2 33.3%
Mark Arcobello 2 4 33.3%
Sam Gagner 4 6 40.0%
Ales Hemsky 5 7 41.7%
David Perron 3 3 50.0%
Nail Yakupov 2 1 66.7%

And for the defence:

Player EV+ EV- Percentage
Nick Schultz 1 6 14.3%
Taylor Fedun 1 5 16.7%
Andrew Ference 2 9 18.2%
Jeff Petry 2 7 22.2%
Philip Larsen 6 6 50.0%
Anton Belov 6 5 54.5%

For the most part, it was the Oilers' best players getting killed against the Flyers. Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Taylor Hall all had among the worst marks on the team in this regard. These are the guys that typically push results - and did last year, even as the rest of the team gave everything back and then some. On defence, the Oilers top pairing of Andrew Ference and Jeff Petry were lit up, too.

The Oilers play in Chicago tomorrow. It seems unlikely to go well.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Who?
November 09 2013, 03:52PM
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Tyler who? Sick of these bloggers. LoweTide and his band of wannabe typists wear me out. No insight, nothing new, and where does their so called expertise come from.

Give me legitimate journalists like Spector.

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#3 Hair bag
November 09 2013, 03:51PM
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Spydyr wrote:

How much longer are you going to defend Dubnyk?

Everyone knows he is not an NHL starter now.Maybe he gets it back in a few years like Tim Thomas but now he is just crap.

Duby has been brutal most of the year but today wasn't his fault - he kept them in the game. Every goal Philly scored was from a good quality chance or a snipe by a skilled shooter.

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#4 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 03:41PM
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Spydyr wrote:

A nice chart does not stop pucks a goalie does.Unless it is Dubnyk.Then you are SOL.

The chart doesn't say Dubnyk hasn't been horrible.

It simply says it is not uncommon for average goaltenders to have terrible stretches outside of their historical average.

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#5 Woogie63
November 09 2013, 03:37PM
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If we started the season with Ralph, Smith, Bucky, and Action as the co-coach Ralph was looking for... And we got off to this start .... Would they be fired by now?

I know we have gone through a lot of coaches in five years, but lets not show patience with the worst coaching group.

I think we need a coach with more experience to get most out of this team.

This year is done. We have 60 games to learn a new system.

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#6 Geoff
November 09 2013, 03:13PM
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Well Philly is a top NHL team, it's not like they are playing the worst team in the league.

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#7 Smokey
November 09 2013, 03:33PM
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Disaster is this past week. This week title is Clusterfudge once our cosmonaut shows up.

Frankly don't get why you don't run Nuge, Ebs and Hall. The line works and is effective even if the puck does not go in the net. You gotta get this team going, and this line has historically been effective. I'd then do some combo of Gordon, Arco, Perron as their going. They can be your toughs line.

Disappointing loss. Bad team, poor line combos, bad goaltending. That's on Eakins.

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#8 Spydyr
November 09 2013, 03:38PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Tyler Dellow posted a nice chart that seems relevant.

A nice chart does not stop pucks a goalie does.Unless it is Dubnyk.Then you are SOL.

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#9 Spydyr
November 09 2013, 03:28PM
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How much longer are you going to defend Dubnyk?

Everyone knows he is not an NHL starter now.Maybe he gets it back in a few years like Tim Thomas but now he is just crap.

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#10 Ari Gold
November 09 2013, 05:48PM
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Seriously, Hemsky's giveaway to Giroux that led to the winning goal. He's skating into traffic, pressure from behind and ahead. He decides to drop the puck behind himself blindly to Hall who is coming straight into traffic. Hall can't grab possession and the Flyers go back the other way and score.

Bone-headed play by Hemsky. He's good for a few of these a game. Why is he on our team? Why is he being paid $5mil!!!??? So many screaming bad contracts on this team. So many brutally spoiled players that won't backcheck. Where's the player development and accountability?

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#11 DSF
November 09 2013, 10:50PM
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In other news...

The Minnesota Wild, who won tonight, now occupy the final wild card spot with 24 points.

They are on pace for a 109 point season.

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#12 Oasis
November 09 2013, 10:56PM
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IsaacsRevenge wrote:

I am usually just a reader, and I hate pouty bitches that come on here and say 'this team sucks, I give up on them'. If the Oilers are your team, they are your team... But... This is wearing even diehards like me very very thin. I honestly think that MacT is pushing this team to see how bad it really is. Watching today's came, the holes were never more obvious. And getting rid of another effort-giving gritty player in Smid? The only message I see here is stop hiding behind others and start playing hard. Take your knocks, learn a system and start getting your personal development back on track. I don't think MacT likes where each players development has gone, and it is showing in their play. It looks like they are resetting back to the third rebuilding year by forcing the team to learn a system and develop individually. This just pisses me the F off because of all of the time we invested in watching the last two years, not realizing it was a complete waste. We were watching the team float on their existing skillset rather than seeing them develop into NHL players. I am glad they are not dishing Ebs away right now. Don't deal until the group you have is able to stabilize and learn system play. To me, the reason why new players came here in the past and failed was due to the lack of development and structure. This year you see a coach with structure, and new players coming in and buying it, but our core rebuild team has never learned structure play. You can't expect new players to want to play here without stability. Further to that, Bryzgalov coming in just introduces more instability in the locker room. I hate it because this only helps strip the locker room down even more. We have to see rock bottom, watch them learn to play through it. This should have been recognized years ago, Tambo didn't see it and KLowe was oblivious. I had no problem with the two of them until now... These games are exposing the real team.

One word........"paragraphs".

Try them sometime.

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#13 BURROWSHASCRABS
November 09 2013, 11:03PM
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What the hell ever asshat, wait till Minny plays LA who just spanked your Casucks!!

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#14 DSF
November 09 2013, 11:35PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Not sure what we are arguing about here.

Trading for Vis = excellent move

Trading Vis for Whitney = absolute calamity

If you disagree with this (and you must, otherwise why keep pressing the issue) tell me why… you haven't made a case against these obvious points yet.

Your major premise is wrong.

Trading for Vis...moving two young, cheap players for an overpaid vet at the start of a rebuild was not an "excellent move". It was dumb and needed to be corrected shortly thereafter,

Trading Vis for Whitney, who had a documentable injury history was, as you say, a calamity.

And also dumb.

Don't get me started on the Souray situation.

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#15 big slick
November 10 2013, 07:47AM
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There is only one thing left to do...finish higher than the Flames.

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#16 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
November 09 2013, 03:37PM
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A disclaimer should accompany this article. *** 5 beer minimum recommended consumed before partaking in this article***

Red Solo cup, I fill you up....lets have a party!

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#17 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 08:08PM
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DSF wrote:

There are many adjectives I would use to describe you.

Modest is very, very far down the list.

If there are many things that you can't know, what you can know is very much diminished in its import.

Anyone who has played competitive sports will be able to tell you that confidence is a major factor in performance...but I'm sure you will slough it off because you can't measure it.

Actually, it is the opposite.

The ability to bracket off noise and other unknowable things, greatly increases your knowledge.

Again, I haven't discounted "confidence." I'm discounting your ability to know how confident an individual player or team is at any given time and to know how that confidence will affect performance.

These are different things.

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#18 Clarko
November 09 2013, 04:15PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Someone scored from the goal line in the corner.A back breaker goal after the team battled back into the game.Not sure what game you were watching but the one I watched Dubnyk let in two very questionable goals.

I understand that Dubnyk hasn't been great this season, but our defensive zone coverage today was abysmal. Even on the last goal, you can see Schultz, Smyth, and Gagner covering nobody while Lecavlier stands alone at the side of the net.

The scoring chances were like 2 or 3 to 1 today.

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#19 DSF
November 09 2013, 08:32PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Once more.

1. I don't think anyone has drawn unqualified conclusions using stats here. I'm sure it has been done and I'm happy to tell you those people are overstepping what the evidence allows.

2. I don't discount "intangibles" or whathaveyou. I do however caution against over-stating variables highly prone to bias, i.e., interpreting a players' "body language" or "confidence." These are real things that actually affect performance. They are also narratives people often default into.

Of course the only one raising the body language straw man is you.

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#20 IsaacsRevenge
November 09 2013, 10:05PM
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I am usually just a reader, and I hate pouty bitches that come on here and say 'this team sucks, I give up on them'. If the Oilers are your team, they are your team... But... This is wearing even diehards like me very very thin. I honestly think that MacT is pushing this team to see how bad it really is. Watching today's came, the holes were never more obvious. And getting rid of another effort-giving gritty player in Smid? The only message I see here is stop hiding behind others and start playing hard. Take your knocks, learn a system and start getting your personal development back on track. I don't think MacT likes where each players development has gone, and it is showing in their play. It looks like they are resetting back to the third rebuilding year by forcing the team to learn a system and develop individually. This just pisses me the F off because of all of the time we invested in watching the last two years, not realizing it was a complete waste. We were watching the team float on their existing skillset rather than seeing them develop into NHL players. I am glad they are not dishing Ebs away right now. Don't deal until the group you have is able to stabilize and learn system play. To me, the reason why new players came here in the past and failed was due to the lack of development and structure. This year you see a coach with structure, and new players coming in and buying it, but our core rebuild team has never learned structure play. You can't expect new players to want to play here without stability. Further to that, Bryzgalov coming in just introduces more instability in the locker room. I hate it because this only helps strip the locker room down even more. We have to see rock bottom, watch them learn to play through it. This should have been recognized years ago, Tambo didn't see it and KLowe was oblivious. I had no problem with the two of them until now... These games are exposing the real team.

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#21 IsaacsRevenge
November 09 2013, 10:13PM
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I am usually just a reader, and I hate pouty bitches that come on here and say 'this team sucks, I give up on them'. If the Oilers are your team, they are your team... But... This is wearing even diehards like me very very thin. I honestly think that MacT is pushing this team to see how bad it really is. Watching today's came, the holes were never more obvious. And getting rid of another effort-giving gritty player in Smid? The only message I see here is stop hiding behind others and start playing hard. Take your knocks, learn a system and start getting your personal development back on track. I don't think MacT likes where each players development has gone, and it is showing in their play. It looks like they are resetting back to the third rebuilding year by forcing the team to learn a system and develop individually. This just pisses me the F off because of all of the time we invested in watching the last two years, not realizing it was a complete waste. We were watching the team float on their existing skillset rather than seeing them develop into NHL players. I am glad they are not dishing Ebs away right now. Don't deal until the group you have is able to stabilize and learn system play. To me, the reason why new players came here in the past and failed was due to the lack of development and structure. This year you see a coach with structure, and new players coming in and buying it, but our core rebuild team has never learned structure play. You can't expect new players to want to play here without stability. Further to that, Bryzgalov coming in just introduces more instability in the locker room. I hate it because this only helps strip the locker room down even more. We have to see rock bottom, watch them learn to play through it. This should have been recognized years ago, Tambo didn't see it and KLowe was oblivious. I had no problem with the two of them until now... These games are exposing the real team.

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#22 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 10:59PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah, Lombardi also wins trades.

Don't forget Stoll and Greene for Visnovsky who turned into Whitney who turned into SFA.

Vis was probably a saw-off, if not a win for the Oil…

Whitney… good god, a calamity... though I don't recall Lombardi being involved in that trade :)

What is "SFA"?

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#23 DSF
November 09 2013, 11:03PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Vis was probably a saw-off, if not a win for the Oil…

Whitney… good god, a calamity... though I don't recall Lombardi being involved in that trade :)

What is "SFA"?

A saw off...LOL.

Lombardi moved Visnovsky because he wasn't a good fit at his pay grade.

What the Oilers did with that asset subsequently is hardly his fault or his concern.

Sweet F All

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#24 DSF
November 09 2013, 11:18PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Why the Kings traded him is irrelevant.

The team that gets the best player wins, so the old adage goes. Vis was (and still probably is) the best player in that trade and had a lot of miles left.

Not sure how the Oil lost that one. Seems like both teams got what they wanted.

You brought Whitney up in a conversation about Lombardi winning trades. You tell me why it's his fault or concern.

Lombardi got rid of Visnovsky for two NHL players.

That Lowe then fumbled the ball is nothing more than collateral damage.

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#25 Nimrod
November 10 2013, 01:48AM
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The team is soft and can't play winning hockey. That's not on the coach. It's on the players who already are millionaires, who refuse to put in the effort to win games.

They're coach killers and the $6M boys and their refusal to play a two-way game and their constant dangles and turnovers are trying their hardest to get another coach fired. I think it's time to get rid of one or two of them instead. That's the only way to make them snap out of whatever Oil Change fueled fantasy of being superstars they have and start acting like proper NHL players.

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#26 Woogie63
November 09 2013, 03:27PM
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Has/is the window closed to be a team that will attract a top free agent, college player, or a player from the KHL. Would we rank up there with Buffalo as team that players with no or limited trade contracts have select as the will not accept a trade to?

With 49 players under contract, at the cap, we seem to have very few options but draft well and develop player. Ebs and RNH way over paid for way too long.

I think we are going to watch this group of players for a long time.

Yikes, how are Eskies doing?

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#27 Smokey
November 09 2013, 03:53PM
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Woogie63 wrote:

If we started the season with Ralph, Smith, Bucky, and Action as the co-coach Ralph was looking for... And we got off to this start .... Would they be fired by now?

I know we have gone through a lot of coaches in five years, but lets not show patience with the worst coaching group.

I think we need a coach with more experience to get most out of this team.

This year is done. We have 60 games to learn a new system.

I agree. Frankly watching how bad this team is coached, watching the same mistakes over and over again, I could care less if theirs a new coach.

Find a coach who knows defence, and can instill confidence, and who has track record. Give him 60 games to implement his system for next year.

I was so anti Sutter when they hired Krueger, but I have changed my mind, because this team needs "Hitchcockian" transformation. Sutter the guy I want, cause Sutter's get things done. I want boring winning hockey, proper systems, coaches who scare you into being a better team, who don't take crap from anyone.

I'm going to go read draft previews.

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#28 Sloppy Joe
November 09 2013, 04:23PM
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Who? wrote:

Tyler who? Sick of these bloggers. LoweTide and his band of wannabe typists wear me out. No insight, nothing new, and where does their so called expertise come from.

Give me legitimate journalists like Spector.

Holy moly. Mark "Grrrrriiiiittttt" Spector. The same Mark Spector who wanted to run Ben Eager on the top line.

As much as the oilers' management makes it hard to be a fan, the amount of pure, unbridled stupidity within the fanbase makes it even harder.

JW - I would cry myself to sleep every night if put in the work that you do, only to find out that a large portion of my audience was "special". You must have skin as thick as a rhino.

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#29 DSF
November 09 2013, 05:00PM
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Who? wrote:

Tyler who? Sick of these bloggers. LoweTide and his band of wannabe typists wear me out. No insight, nothing new, and where does their so called expertise come from.

Give me legitimate journalists like Spector.

Have you noticed how they've stopped talking about Corsi and how the Oilers are "much improved'?

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#30 Serious Gord
November 09 2013, 05:58PM
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Ed in Edmonton wrote:

In the between period interview MacT said be made the move to make room for young defencemen like Nurse (who can't play here this year) and Klefbom ( is he anywhere close? I don't really know). The point is he never claimed the move will make the Oil better because of .... His explanation was it clears the deck for the future.

here's what you stated in your original post:

"...I'm thinking perhaps MAcT has already put this season in the history books and is long to next year..."

The Bryz move completely contradicts your thesis.

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#31 DSF
November 09 2013, 06:01PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Agree on all points.

What is annoying me of late is the resistance on the part of many in the EDM sports media - Stauffer and Brown most notably to not criticize Eakins for the lack of effort by the team and the lack of discipline.

And yet it was Eakins who personally guaranteed that the team would always play with effort.

The fall back excuse of many is that we have already had too many coaching changes in a short period.

I say to heck with that. If the coach is failing - and Eakins is arguably failing and inarguably not progressing - firing makes sense regardless of the turnover rate.

What if the oil finish with fewer than 20 wins? Is that grounds to fire Eakins? How could anyone justify keeping him?

I suspect we may see Kreuger 2.0 - management and the press stand foursquare behind Eakins at the end of the season and then a few weeks/months later... he's out the door, and the press says they knew it all along...

Sounds about right.

History is littered with AHL coaches who couldn't make the jump to the NHL.

So far, there is little evidence he can walk the walk.

All hat...no cattle.

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#32 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 06:35PM
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DSF wrote:

Not all things that can be counted matter.

Not all things that matter can be counted.

- A. Einstein.

(although I'm pretty sure you think you're smarter.)

Not smart enough to presume I can gauge another man's level of confidence and its affect on his play.

Also, not smart enough to presume I can interpret body language and many other things.

I take a modest view of what someone can know.

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#33 Hockey Problems
November 09 2013, 08:15PM
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Overwatchedandunderpaid wrote:

People can keep complaining about the coaching but there has to come a time as fans that you realize that after all the coaching changes in the past couple of years and the same results that its not the coaches problem. Every year we get a new coach and we get air in our sails and we are filled with positive messages from the coach and we agree with what he says but when the season starts everything falls apart and who else is there to blame but the coach. We can throw any coach under this awful team right now and it wont change the results. The players have to want to play and want to compete to be successful. Until you have that you can throw as many coaches into the fire as you want, nothing will change.

The problem is that the Oilers are TOO soft for almost any defensive strategy. 4 coaches. 1 problem. SOFT !!!

Nuge: Soft

Ebs: Soft

Hall: Soft

Yak: Soft

Gags: Soft

Hemsky: Soft

Arcobello: Soft

Jones: Soft

Petry: Soft

N. Schultz: Soft

J. Schultz: Soft

Larsen: Soft

What has been done in recent history to make this team harder to play against ?! Trade away Smid.

Trade away Brown.

Ya. Wow, teams are shakin in their boots !!

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#34 Ari Gold
November 09 2013, 08:59PM
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I'm calling for Lowe, MacT & Eakins with the rest of the coaching staff to resign. Then we can begin a rebuild that keeps Perron, Gordon, Arcobello, Hall & Belov.

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#35 Harlie
November 09 2013, 09:24PM
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outdoorzguy wrote:

Whenever Ryan Rishaug talks about Oiler players on the TV he refers to them with first and last names or last names only. But when he talks about them on local Edmonton radio he always uses first names only. Too close to the players Rishaug to be impartial? Are you a real live hockey card collector just like Katz?? Either way, this team sucks, and has sucked for the last 15 years. Is anything going to be done about it? I doubt it as long as everyone keeps going to the games and buying the jerseys. Wake up people, stay away, revolt, ask for what you deserve. I you keep putting $$$$$$ in the pockets of Vancouver Katz, he doesn't care. Boycott games, boycott Rexall Place, stop going to preferred Oiler restaurants and stop buying jerseys. MY GOD, WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!

You wake up. If that happens the team moves and the downtown dies again. The Oilers are the symbolical fabric of this city and the arena deal proves it.

There is lots of dough in this one horse town and Oil are big league. Otherwise we are Saskatoon and no one wants that. So get over it man, ain't gonna happen.

This city needs Katz and his daddy warbucks wallet and underachieving team and Katz knows it.

Get back in the dark room with the other mushrooms and wait for your feeding.

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#36 IsaacsRevenge
November 09 2013, 10:11PM
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I am usually just a reader, and I hate pouty bitches that come on here and say 'this team sucks, I give up on them'. If the Oilers are your team, they are your team... But... This is wearing even diehards like me very very thin. I honestly think that MacT is pushing this team to see how bad it really is. Watching today's came, the holes were never more obvious. And getting rid of another effort-giving gritty player in Smid? The only message I see here is stop hiding behind others and start playing hard. Take your knocks, learn a system and start getting your personal development back on track. I don't think MacT likes where each players development has gone, and it is showing in their play. It looks like they are resetting back to the third rebuilding year by forcing the team to learn a system and develop individually. This just pisses me the F off because of all of the time we invested in watching the last two years, not realizing it was a complete waste. We were watching the team float on their existing skillset rather than seeing them develop into NHL players. I am glad they are not dishing Ebs away right now. Don't deal until the group you have is able to stabilize and learn system play. To me, the reason why new players came here in the past and failed was due to the lack of development and structure. This year you see a coach with structure, and new players coming in and buying it, but our core rebuild team has never learned structure play. You can't expect new players to want to play here without stability. Further to that, Bryzgalov coming in just introduces more instability in the locker room. I hate it because this only helps strip the locker room down even more. We have to see rock bottom, watch them learn to play through it. This should have been recognized years ago, Tambo didn't see it and KLowe was oblivious. I had no problem with the two of them until now... These games are exposing the real team.

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#37 PutzStew
November 10 2013, 01:25AM
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chuckcouples wrote:

Can someone try and explain to me what Taylor Hall was thinking on the Flyers' 2nd goal? Why exactly is he at the redline skating towards the Flyers end while Hartnell puts the puck in the net?

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=2013020245-304-h

So...Taylor vs Tyler?

Learned that from Hemsky. COH can't give you an error on a goal if you are no were near the play.

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#38 OilFanInVan
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I think a few things are responsible for this sinking ship:

1. Management

Management is arrogant (based on public interviews) and incompetent (based on the last umpteen years of results). Any real business owner would not just hire his buddy without an exhaustive search if he cared about his organization. However, the Oilers are in a unique situation where the clients LOVE the organization and continue to pay for its services despite the arrogance and incompetence of management and its employees.

2. Culture

Culture in ANY organization feeds down from management to its employees. Because of this, the employees in this organization are becoming arrogant and incompetent. We have a losing, living in the past, entitled culture on this team. This is very hard to break. Bringing in a new coach can change this, but not if he is a puppet. Changing pictures on a wall, but keeping people around who were in those pictures (Smith, Buchberger, MacT, Lowe) doesn't change a thing.

3. Players

We have some players with a VERY HIGH pedigree. Unfortunately, they've been brought up in a bad culture. Their fellow employees that they can look up to are too embedded in the culture (Hemsky, Smyth, previously Horcoff) and have taught them how to lose and how not to care. Their management hasn't cracked the whip. They've coddled them and given them large contracts. They didn't give them an extra year of junior and some time in the AHL. They didn't give them the opportunity to actually learn the game. Instead they were rushed in as impressionable teenagers and what does an impressionable teenager do - follows the rest of the pack.

How do we get out?

1. Besides rectifying the problems above, I see only one person who might be able to turn the ship despite the above issues and that's Taylor Hall. This is the only person currently in this organization, IMHO, with the self-confidence, the desire to win and the gumption to put this entire organization on his back and pull it out of the dumps. Unfortunately, this is a massive burden that I wouldn't want to wish on anyone and unfortunately when Taylor tries to put everyone on his back he seems to get injured.

Good luck Taylor. Are you the next Mark Messier? I sure hope so.

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#39 Newj
November 09 2013, 03:27PM
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Formula for diaster

- spot opposition a couple goals within first 10-15 mins, partly claw way back only to give up a softy and then lose. They have the formula down pat!

Maybe Eakins will quit before they fire him, if I were coach, I would. This team is dreadful.

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#40 Spydyr
November 09 2013, 04:09PM
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Hair bag wrote:

Duby has been brutal most of the year but today wasn't his fault - he kept them in the game. Every goal Philly scored was from a good quality chance or a snipe by a skilled shooter.

Someone scored from the goal line in the corner.A back breaker goal after the team battled back into the game.Not sure what game you were watching but the one I watched Dubnyk let in two very questionable goals.

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#41 Eddie Shore
November 09 2013, 04:24PM
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Who? wrote:

Tyler who? Sick of these bloggers. LoweTide and his band of wannabe typists wear me out. No insight, nothing new, and where does their so called expertise come from.

Give me legitimate journalists like Spector.

Spector? hahahahahahahahah

No really? Spector? Haha now that is funny.

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#42 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 04:27PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I've always found it extremely irritating when I click on the Oilers Nation blog, and there's another one of those darn bloggers giving me his opinion!

I say: ENOUGH. It's time to run these thrice cursed bloggers off the blogs and back to... well wherever! The important thing is to get rid of them!

Dubnyk will probably play better when people aren't trying to figure out if his putrid play has a historical precedent on blogs.

It works that way, right?

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#43 forsoothed
November 09 2013, 04:41PM
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We're still trading actual players for prospects, the rebuild continues.

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#44 Ed in Edmoton
November 09 2013, 04:57PM
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Thinking about the Smid move of yesterday, I'm thinking perhaps MAcT has already put this season in the history books and is long to next year. Trading a roster player for 2 prospects is hard to interpret any other way.

I'm also wondering is Katz might be pissed that he's paying Grebeshkov 1.5 M to play in the AHL and told MacT he doesn't have a blank check and needs to save some cash.

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#45 Soccer Steve
November 09 2013, 05:06PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Someone scored from the goal line in the corner.A back breaker goal after the team battled back into the game.Not sure what game you were watching but the one I watched Dubnyk let in two very questionable goals.

The last time a bad team scored against another bad team from the goal line their entire coaching staff was fired.

What do you think? A reach? One can dream.

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#46 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 09 2013, 05:28PM
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DSF wrote:

Just because it's "uncommon" doesn't mean he will return to his "historical average".

No one implied that was a necessary eventuality.

However, it is a great deal more probable than his historical play suddenly and forever cratering.

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#47 DSF
November 09 2013, 06:02PM
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Hockey Problems wrote:

I don't understand how the rodeo can be in town ...

I just saw the clowns on the ice, playin the Flyers in Philly this very morning !!

The livestock is currently helping to air out Rexall Place.

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#48 Romulus' Apotheosis
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

I think suggesting it is more likely a goaltender in a long slump (with no evident injury and not at the age one usually sees performance falter) will regress to the mean is a pretty modest and qualified statement.

No one is making some bold, radical suggestion here.

And, I don't see anyone discounting "fighting spirit." I would however, challenge the bias that is ever prevalent when such things are doled out at the lunch counter.

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#49 DSF
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Alsker wrote:

You`re a better man than me, there is no way I tune into a game unless the fLames are losing. It just hurts too much.

Watch some Big Boy Hockey ®

VCR @ LAK coming right up.

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#50 IsaacsRevenge
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I am usually just a reader, and I hate pouty bitches that come on here and say 'this team sucks, I give up on them'. If the Oilers are your team, they are your team... But... This is wearing even diehards like me very very thin. I honestly think that MacT is pushing this team to see how bad it really is. Watching today's came, the holes were never more obvious. And getting rid of another effort-giving gritty player in Smid? The only message I see here is stop hiding behind others and start playing hard. Take your knocks, learn a system and start getting your personal development back on track. I don't think MacT likes where each players development has gone, and it is showing in their play. It looks like they are resetting back to the third rebuilding year by forcing the team to learn a system and develop individually. This just pisses me the F off because of all of the time we invested in watching the last two years, not realizing it was a complete waste. We were watching the team float on their existing skillset rather than seeing them develop into NHL players. I am glad they are not dishing Ebs away right now. Don't deal until the group you have is able to stabilize and learn system play. To me, the reason why new players came here in the past and failed was due to the lack of development and structure. This year you see a coach with structure, and new players coming in and buying it, but our core rebuild team has never learned structure play. You can't expect new players to want to play here without stability. Further to that, Bryzgalov coming in just introduces more instability in the locker room. I hate it because this only helps strip the locker room down even more. We have to see rock bottom, watch them learn to play through it. This should have been recognized years ago, Tambo didn't see it and KLowe was oblivious. I had no problem with the two of them until now... These games are exposing the real team.

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