GDB 28.0: HURDLING

Lowetide
December 01 2013 08:24AM

The Edmonton Oilers have been tightening their defensive play under coach Dallas Eakins and it does appear to be working. In the club's last 10 games, the goals-against average for DD and Bryz is 2.52 compared to 3.24 for the entire season. The goaltending has improved, but what about the defense? Is it getting better? How can we tell?

BOXCARS

In the last 10 games, the Oilers blue has posted the following boxcar numbers:

  1. Phil Larsen (IR) 5, 0-4-4 -4
  2. Justin Schultz 5, 2-1-3 +3
  3. Corey Potter 6, 0-2-2 -2
  4. Nick Schultz 10, 0-2-2 -1
  5. Denis Grebeshkov 2, 0-1-1 +1
  6. Jeff Petry 10, 0-1-1 +3
  7. Anton Belov 10, 0-1-1 -2
  8. Taylor Fedun 2, 0-0-0 -2
  9. Andrew Ference 10, 0-1-1 -1

It's an interesting look back, we can kind of see the point where  Larsen went on IR and Fedun was sent down, and then the 5 games Schultz the younger has been back has coincided with an uptick in results (funny, that) for the team.

CORSI FOR % (5x5)

In the last 5 games, it's fun to see the list of defensemen who have been on the ice for good things:

  1. Anton Belov 78-62 55.7%
  2. Justin Schultz 66-57 53.6%
  3. Denis Grebeshkov 23-20 53.4%
  4. Jeff Petry 66-58 53.2%
  5. Nick Schultz 60-67 47.2%
  6. Andrew Ference 57-65 46.7%
  7. Corey Potter 30-44 40.5%

This is from Extra skater, and I'm listing Corsi For-Corsi against and the percentage and this is all 5x5. Now, it's important to note that we're not taking into account things like zone starts and toughness of opposition, this is straight Corsi at 5x5 over the last 5 games.

That said, it's fascinating to see four defensemen above 50% over that time (!!!!) and the 5-6 guys are not far from 50% (with only Corey Potter fading badly). We don't know if Schultz's return or Grebeshkov's callup are big reasons for the improved shot differential, we only know that in the last 5 games this group has been part of some good things.

And we also know the goals against in the last 10 games has been going down, and part of that is due to the puck being in the other end more often.

These are all nice signs for the club, and barring injury they should be able to repeat it (depending on quality of opposition, etc) and more wins should come as a result.

LINEUP

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Yakupov-Gagner-Hemsky
Smyth-Gordon-Perron
Jones-Arcobello-Joensuu

Ference-Petry
Grebeshkov-J.Schultz
Belov-N.Schultz

Dubnyk

That's my guess, but I don't know why you'd change anything aside from the goaltender. That 4th line has been doing some nice things, and I'm betting the Nuge line will find a way to rock and roll in Texas later today. The young Russian likes the big stage, and everything's big in Texas, maybe he'll rip three rockets into the Dallas night.

QUICK HITS

  • According to nhl.com, the Oilers have 4 rookies this season: Mark Arcobello, Taylor Fedun, Luke Gazdic and Tyler Pitlick. Anton Belov doesn't qualify.
  • The Oilers leading scorer is Jordan Eberle (23 points) who is tied for 28th in league points. Last year, Taylor Hall finished 9th, but this year he and David Perron are tied at 61st overall.
  • Craig MacTavish was in Oklahoma City last night, raving about Mark Arcobello in an interview with brilliant play-by-play man Jim Byers.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

WHO CARES? It's almost time for hurdles!!!!! Okay, fine.

GAME DAY PREDICTION: Oilers play the system and find their range on the powerplay, scoring twice with the man advantage in a 3-2 victory over the Stars.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Ryan Smyth leaves it all out on the ice.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Shawn Horcoff channels himself as a rookie and sends a cross-ice pass that Yakupov shoots through the net for the winner.

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#151 michael
December 01 2013, 06:49PM
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michael wrote:

GDP. Oilers lose 3-2 in a SO. Dallas always dominates us at home in Big D. What is there record against us at home. Like 100-4. The PP was brutal last game. Frustrating.

Who is picking Jacksonville today againt Cleveland? I did. Go big. Denver in KC today. Power football.

Alabama loses on the last play of the game against Auburn. Who called that? Never mind the 99 yard McCarron pass for a TD. Yesterdays College games were unreal.

BTW Who does not like it when Vancouver loses to the Rangers?

What was I thinking?

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#152 cain
December 01 2013, 06:50PM
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yipppeeeee!!!!

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#153 YFC Prez
December 01 2013, 06:53PM
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Mikey wrote:

Gagner had nothing to do with that second goal. First, last back it didn't matter the puck was already in the net. Be smarter than that.

Also check the replay he was the first forward back.

I love gags but It was the lazy play at the centre line that's got the ire up. Gagner coasted lazily as the goal scorer rushed passed him to the open ice. Petry messed up too.

But who cares. They won!

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#154 Mikey
December 01 2013, 06:55PM
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I feel like this is a homer statement. But why not Perron for team Canada?

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#155 Mikey
December 01 2013, 06:56PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

Dammit gags. That was your man. And here I was just defending you.

#lesson learned

That was not Gagners man. Give your head a shake.

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#156 Mikey
December 01 2013, 06:57PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

I love gags but It was the lazy play at the centre line that's got the ire up. Gagner coasted lazily as the goal scorer rushed passed him to the open ice. Petry messed up too.

But who cares. They won!

It wouldn't have been a goal had petry tied up his man, the goal scorer.

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#157 God
December 01 2013, 06:57PM
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The Oil had no business winning that game.

I love my team, I want them to do well, but winning garbage games like this is not character building. They escaped a terrible performance with the win. Petry & Belov looked as bad as I've seen them.

Hall, Gags & Yak need to learn to create their own space, NOT take what's given to them.

This team needs more of a killer instinct. I've been talking about feeding them a bowl of blood, endlessly. Perhaps they need to be taken out on a true hunt with an Aboriginal Tribe. They need to learn how to sense defeat and take the life of their opponent.

Perhaps it's just the alcohol talking. But seriously, these kids need to become predators, not omnivores.

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#158 YFC Prez
December 01 2013, 07:00PM
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Mikey wrote:

It wouldn't have been a goal had petry tied up his man, the goal scorer.

I don't disagree with this

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#159 Alsker
December 01 2013, 07:07PM
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@God

Alcohol or not, you forgot the Greb one..or have you actually seen him worse than tonight. Wait a minute, come to think of it, I'm sure we've seen him worse than tonight. Sorry. As for predator vs. omnivore Ill vote for Carnivore. Preferably Raptor type(as we have no individual toughness), pack attack might be our best hope.

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#160 TeddyTurnbuckle
December 01 2013, 07:12PM
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God the oilers were terrible tonight , they deserve to lose that one. How many times does hall have to turn the puck over before he misses a shift. This guy loves the 3 foot in the air pass across the the blue line while entering the zone. Starting to think this guy can't process the game. Justin Shultz needs to take a seat also. He killed the powerplay tonight with his lazy zone entries. It's ok to dump it in if all other options are covered. Top line only showed up tonight with 5 minutes left. Jones line got us 2 points.

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#161 Spydyr
December 01 2013, 07:12PM
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Mikey wrote:

That was not Gagners man. Give your head a shake.

A good defensive centre puts his head down and hustles back. Picking up the trailer.Not coast back and watch the puck go in your net.

After seven years in the NHL you would think Gagner would know that.

You suggesting Perron belongs on team Canada gives me all the information I need about your how astute you are concerning the game of hockey at the NHL level. Sure he is having a good year but there 30 players ahead of him at forward

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#162 GK1980
December 01 2013, 07:25PM
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So first off, grebeshkov? Why is he on this team? I think there is better options in OKC. Second, bad game. Is hustle taught? Is compete taught? Why don't they just work harder? It's frustrating watching other teams outwork the boys. Why don't they just work harder? Are the oilers capable of this? Frustrating to watch them barely win this one. Dallas was the better team.

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#163 Arius Mumin
December 01 2013, 07:29PM
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Since Egins decided to take Yakupov off the 1st PP unit, we haven't had a 1st PP unit.

Someone should let Eberle and Hall know its called a POWERPLAY, and not a fun opportunity for you adn your funboy to cycle the puck along the boards for the #@$% of it.

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#164 JJ
December 01 2013, 07:29PM
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is Grebby injured? How come he has like 7 mins icetime

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#165 Stack Pad Save
December 01 2013, 07:30PM
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Didn't watch the first 2 periods, why was Yakupov benched in the 3rd?

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#166 Serious Gord
December 01 2013, 07:31PM
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Mikey wrote:

I feel like this is a homer statement. But why not Perron for team Canada?

LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!

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#167 Smokey
December 01 2013, 07:34PM
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@Spydyr

I said before if you.were picking one guy from the Oilers to be on Team Canada hypothetically it would be Perron. Obviously he won't make it or is in concideration. He's an average at best skater and undersized concidering the size and depth Canada has. He'd beon my second Team Canada team in whatever role. I love the simple effective plays in all three zones. He plays bigger then what he is and is defensively sound. The one play tonight where he cleared the Oiler zone by putting it 15 feet in the air over the defender and did not create an icing. Thats good coaching...thanks Hitch.

The only way we should concider Perron for Team Canada i ifs hes a PPG player. If he did that you would put him in the conversation. Is it possible. He went into tonights game in 61st place in scoring. I hope he gets hot and gets a mention.

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#168 Spydyr
December 01 2013, 07:34PM
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JJ wrote:

is Grebby injured? How come he has like 7 mins icetime

Did you not notice Dallas's first goal?I think that shows why.

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#169 cain
December 01 2013, 07:35PM
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Stack Pad Save wrote:

Didn't watch the first 2 periods, why was Yakupov benched in the 3rd?

Giveaway,giveaway,giveaway.

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#170 GK1980
December 01 2013, 07:36PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

Jeez. What an overtime so far. Play the whole game like that.

Again, is hustling and hard work tough to do? These guys need to play like OT. Season is over and they have nothing to lose.

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#171 Smokey
December 01 2013, 07:37PM
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@JJ

He made a beautiful pass to a Dallas player on the opening goal. Vintage Garbagekov. Fedun anyone?e

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#172 Spydyr
December 01 2013, 07:37PM
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Smokey wrote:

I said before if you.were picking one guy from the Oilers to be on Team Canada hypothetically it would be Perron. Obviously he won't make it or is in concideration. He's an average at best skater and undersized concidering the size and depth Canada has. He'd beon my second Team Canada team in whatever role. I love the simple effective plays in all three zones. He plays bigger then what he is and is defensively sound. The one play tonight where he cleared the Oiler zone by putting it 15 feet in the air over the defender and did not create an icing. Thats good coaching...thanks Hitch.

The only way we should concider Perron for Team Canada i ifs hes a PPG player. If he did that you would put him in the conversation. Is it possible. He went into tonights game in 61st place in scoring. I hope he gets hot and gets a mention.

No Oiler deserves to be mentioned for team Canada. Full stop.

Not sure what you are getting at with this second team Canada.It does not exist in the real world.Maybe the Oilers would be better in the second NHL.

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#173 Smokey
December 01 2013, 07:43PM
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GK1980 wrote:

Again, is hustling and hard work tough to do? These guys need to play like OT. Season is over and they have nothing to lose.

4 on 4 hockey. Free wheeling. They can compete with any team with time and space. The effort was there from late in 3rd on. Dallas let off the peddle a bit in the third. They were ditgustingly bad on TO in the game at times. Zone entries were brutal. Bryz and Dubby won the game. Great effort by all the tenders.

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#174 Poolanov
December 01 2013, 07:49PM
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Arius Mumin wrote:

Since Egins decided to take Yakupov off the 1st PP unit, we haven't had a 1st PP unit.

Someone should let Eberle and Hall know its called a POWERPLAY, and not a fun opportunity for you adn your funboy to cycle the puck along the boards for the #@$% of it.

Just who is this Egins fellow anyhow? We should fire him too, I reckon.

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#175 Arius Mumin
December 01 2013, 07:53PM
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@Poolanov

It is Eakins know it all ego. Keep Fit and Have Fun-Oilers key to powerplay success.

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#176 bazmagoo
December 01 2013, 08:08PM
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Only watched the 3rd period, not terribly surprised to hear Grebeshkov was responsible for the 1st goal. Can't believe MacT gave that guy 1.5 million after a lousy season in the KHL, could he not have gotten him for half that? Seriously. Wonder what would happen if I made a $750,000 mistake at my job.

I have no idea what Petry and Gagner were doing on that second goal, horrible defending by both. Hopefully Bryz isn't hurt too bad, the play didn't look all that horrible from the highlight.

Oilers are just too one dimensional. We've needed some grit and sandpaper in the lineup for years now. On the plus side tonight, thought Hemsky looked great and was flying from what I saw.

Really need one of our defense prospects to bear fruit over the next few seasons.

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#177 Smokey
December 01 2013, 08:35PM
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Spydyr wrote:

No Oiler deserves to be mentioned for team Canada. Full stop.

Not sure what you are getting at with this second team Canada.It does not exist in the real world.Maybe the Oilers would be better in the second NHL.

Pundits have hypothetically talked bout fielding a second team cause of Canada's depth for how long? Its hypotheticals. If your arguement is you can live in hypotheticals well enjoy your week argument buddy.

The gentlemen who said Perron should be on Team Canada may be wrong. Was the comment outlandish. No way. If Perron did not miss those 3-4 games he is probably sitting in the 40-50 range in the NHL in scoring. His two.way game is sound, and is exactly the type of player that you would want on a championship team. He would have to get real hot to have an outside chance I admit and depth.on the wing is steller. I would not take him but he'd be in the conversation if he is top 45 point producer come Febuary. Not every player Canada always takes is a superstar. Canada took last time Morrow, Richards, Bergeron. I think these are players like Perron. The sound two way gritty players that do certain roles well.

Make a arguement against it rather then skirting the debate

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#178 God
December 01 2013, 08:37PM
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Most frustrating team in the NHL to watch.

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#179 Arius Mumin
December 01 2013, 08:41PM
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Does anyone the point of the 2nd PP unit?

It consists of; Grebeshkov, Gagner, Smyth, Hemsky and Yakupov.

Why Grebeshkov? What sense does chosing him over Belov make? One has been a regular through out the season, the other was just called up. Even Petry would make more sense. What about that young kid they brought up and he scored in the few games he played then got sent down. Why not call the kid up?

Gagner should be sitting on the bench and watching Arcobello take advantage of the oppurtunity, the oppurtunity of ice time and the opportunity of the powerplay. Gagner doesn't have much to offer to dominate the game during the powerplay, he just loiters around looking for someone to pass to and his shot is pretty weak. Gagner's hockey IQ can be questioned on many nights and plays, even if their skill level is a wash-Arcobello should get the time on effort and will alone.

Smyth being in front of the net makes no sense. Who is going to shoot? Hemsky? No! Gagner? No! Grebeshkov? NO! Unless, he has to throw it at the net. Yakupov? YES! But,......

There is no way to get Yak a pass while he is in good position. NO one cares about Smyth being in front of the net on the PP, they just leave him be and make sure no easy passes get to him. They press on soft ass Gagner and Hemsky(both are just looking to make an obvious pass), who ever the dman is is irrelevant-for when he gets the puck his time is limited and his options foreseen.

Who picks the lines anyway? He only switches them up in the third if they are losing, then it is back to normal the next game even if they ended up losing.

Fire Eaking,!..Hire Igor..!.

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#180 Todd
December 01 2013, 09:08PM
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Spydyr wrote:

A good defensive centre puts his head down and hustles back. Picking up the trailer.Not coast back and watch the puck go in your net.

After seven years in the NHL you would think Gagner would know that.

You suggesting Perron belongs on team Canada gives me all the information I need about your how astute you are concerning the game of hockey at the NHL level. Sure he is having a good year but there 30 players ahead of him at forward

Your tactical understanding of this play and Gagner's responsibility is wrong. Sorry I'm typically not one to argue, especially if its an opinion or discretionary call. But this was not. Its cut and dry. On a clear 2 on 2, the 1st fwd back (C or otherwise) should never "hustle back and help the D". His job IS to turn around, even slow up, and wait for the 3rd man who IS his responsibility. This is a concept I have a hard time teaching kids, because your instinct is to hustle back and help your d man. But this causes further breakdown, and is absolutely wrong.

Sorry, on this one you are absolutely wrong. If you want to blame anyone else, Petry was forced to cheat over because Ferrence sort of got beat wide. But otherwise that is squarely and entirely on Petry's shoulders.

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#181 Taylor Gang
December 01 2013, 09:19PM
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I didn't watch the game, sadly because of work, would anyone be able to shed some light on how the kids played? None of them showed up on the score sheet (unless you count Ebs's shootout goal)

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#182 TeddyTurnbuckle
December 01 2013, 09:45PM
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@Taylor Gang

Taylor Hall Turned the puck over 4 times in the first two periods. Once on the powerplay to no one within 20 feet of his pass. Eberle and Nuge did nothing until 5 mins left in the game. I also thought Justin Shultz played like crap taking a stupid penalty and not using his body to defend at all. Between him and Hall they screwed up about 90 % of the powerplay zone entries because they are two stupid to dump the puck in when all other options are taken. Not a good night for the kids. Spent lot of time in their end.

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#183 Taylor Gang
December 01 2013, 09:52PM
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TeddyTurnbuckle wrote:

Taylor Hall Turned the puck over 4 times in the first two periods. Once on the powerplay to no one within 20 feet of his pass. Eberle and Nuge did nothing until 5 mins left in the game. I also thought Justin Shultz played like crap taking a stupid penalty and not using his body to defend at all. Between him and Hall they screwed up about 90 % of the powerplay zone entries because they are two stupid to dump the puck in when all other options are taken. Not a good night for the kids. Spent lot of time in their end.

I probably could have guessed that. I don't understand the reluctance to dump and chase. If the skilled kids are so "fast" and "small" then shouldn't they beat the defense to the puck every time?

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#184 TayLordBalls
December 01 2013, 10:01PM
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you're welcome Oilers fans!

Hemsky obviously read my earlier comment and figured he best get the lard out.

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#185 Oilerz4life
December 01 2013, 10:01PM
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Spydyr wrote:

No Oiler deserves to be mentioned for team Canada. Full stop.

Not sure what you are getting at with this second team Canada.It does not exist in the real world.Maybe the Oilers would be better in the second NHL.

Eberle is and fully deserves to be mentioned for team Team Canada.

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#186 dow7500
December 01 2013, 10:31PM
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Agree 100% teddy. The absolutely bizarre inability to dump the puck in when they clearly are having trouble entering the offensive zone. Time after time they puke it up and its going back the other way. It doesn't take a hockey mental giant to see this. Do they go over film with these offenders at all. Its been obvious all season. Hall,Yak, Hemsky had repeated embarrassing giveaways. friggen midget teams aren't this stupid.

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Have to agree with Todd re. gagner's role on the 2nd goal against. I couldn't watch the game, and was reading the blog before seeing the highlights. Based on the comments pre #180, my impression was that Gagner's was guilty of a horrible lapse in effort and awareness. Then I saw the replay...

So, is it official then? Now that Arnott, Poti, Brewer, Cross, and Horcoff are gone (who am I forgetting?) Gagner is the primary on-ice reason for all our woes (goalies and PofHO's don't count - too easy). We've got enough legit issues that we don't need to manufacture ones that aren't there.

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#188 K_Mart
December 01 2013, 11:49PM
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@Oilerz4life

Can't say I agree about him being mentioned for team Canada, but as of this moment, he is the best Canadian player on the Oilers. Might not be for long, but he definitely is right now.

not Hall, not Nuge, and not Perron.

Eberle is the best Canadian on our roster right now. No question.

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#189 NJ
December 01 2013, 11:50PM
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Being a fan of Fedun, I prefer to look at the 4, 2-0-2, -1 as his NHL numbers. Then I scratch my head and wonder again why he was sent down. More of MacT's handiwork.

Re: Eberle Olympics. LOL.

The sooner we get a man in here to show those kids how to work, the better. And I don't give a rats arse who has to go to get him here. Lucic for ANY player on our team. Sold.

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#190 Oilerz4life
December 02 2013, 12:23AM
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K_Mart wrote:

Can't say I agree about him being mentioned for team Canada, but as of this moment, he is the best Canadian player on the Oilers. Might not be for long, but he definitely is right now.

not Hall, not Nuge, and not Perron.

Eberle is the best Canadian on our roster right now. No question.

So he's the best Canadian player on the Edmonton Oilers right now, why wouldn't he deserve to be mentioned for Team Canada?

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#191 JJ
December 02 2013, 12:40AM
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I would just like to make one comment regarding the people laughing at the Perron/Team Canada post.. Brad Marchand was invited to the training camp for Team Canada, and Perron is undoubtedly a far superior player. So it's not too far off. But it is off.

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#192 Death Metal Nightmare
December 02 2013, 04:17AM
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you should put even more Cheese'd out Female JIFFFZZZZSSSSSSSSS in these posts. total Dad level Sexy calendar in the garage crapola.

more numbers to prove you measured how Right You Are and more cheeeeese plz.

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#193 Serious Gord
December 02 2013, 04:26AM
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JJ wrote:

I would just like to make one comment regarding the people laughing at the Perron/Team Canada post.. Brad Marchand was invited to the training camp for Team Canada, and Perron is undoubtedly a far superior player. So it's not too far off. But it is off.

Not true. Marchand is a far better player at performing the role that he does than Perron is at his.

Is there anyone who reads this who wouldn't trade Perron for Marchand straight up?

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#194 Serious Gord
December 02 2013, 04:29AM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

So he's the best Canadian player on the Edmonton Oilers right now, why wouldn't he deserve to be mentioned for Team Canada?

He has been mentioned. But that is - rightly - as far as it has gone. He simply is not a 200 ft player which seems to be a prerequisite esp. On Olympic-sized ice. That and he isn't the fastest of skaters.

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#195 Spydyr
December 02 2013, 06:52AM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

Eberle is and fully deserves to be mentioned for team Team Canada.

Yeah right.

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#196 Spydyr
December 02 2013, 06:53AM
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Smokey wrote:

Pundits have hypothetically talked bout fielding a second team cause of Canada's depth for how long? Its hypotheticals. If your arguement is you can live in hypotheticals well enjoy your week argument buddy.

The gentlemen who said Perron should be on Team Canada may be wrong. Was the comment outlandish. No way. If Perron did not miss those 3-4 games he is probably sitting in the 40-50 range in the NHL in scoring. His two.way game is sound, and is exactly the type of player that you would want on a championship team. He would have to get real hot to have an outside chance I admit and depth.on the wing is steller. I would not take him but he'd be in the conversation if he is top 45 point producer come Febuary. Not every player Canada always takes is a superstar. Canada took last time Morrow, Richards, Bergeron. I think these are players like Perron. The sound two way gritty players that do certain roles well.

Make a arguement against it rather then skirting the debate

I don't waste my time debating make believe things.Feel free to fill your boots.

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#197 Spydyr
December 02 2013, 07:04AM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

So he's the best Canadian player on the Edmonton Oilers right now, why wouldn't he deserve to be mentioned for Team Canada?

Because the Oilers are a very weak team.

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#198 Spydyr
December 02 2013, 07:13AM
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Todd wrote:

Your tactical understanding of this play and Gagner's responsibility is wrong. Sorry I'm typically not one to argue, especially if its an opinion or discretionary call. But this was not. Its cut and dry. On a clear 2 on 2, the 1st fwd back (C or otherwise) should never "hustle back and help the D". His job IS to turn around, even slow up, and wait for the 3rd man who IS his responsibility. This is a concept I have a hard time teaching kids, because your instinct is to hustle back and help your d man. But this causes further breakdown, and is absolutely wrong.

Sorry, on this one you are absolutely wrong. If you want to blame anyone else, Petry was forced to cheat over because Ferrence sort of got beat wide. But otherwise that is squarely and entirely on Petry's shoulders.

Spydyr wrote: A good defensive centre puts his head down and hustles back. Picking up the trailer.Not coast back and watch the puck go in your net.

After seven years in the NHL you would think Gagner would know that.

You suggesting Perron belongs on team Canada gives me all the information I need about your how astute you are concerning the game of hockey at the NHL level. Sure he is having a good year but there 30 players ahead of him at forward

Your tactical understanding of this play and Gagner's responsibility is wrong. Sorry I'm typically not one to argue, especially if its an opinion or discretionary call. But this was not. Its cut and dry. On a clear 2 on 2, the 1st fwd back (C or otherwise) should never "hustle back and help the D". His job IS to turn around, even slow up, and wait for the 3rd man who IS his responsibility. This is a concept I have a hard time teaching kids, because your instinct is to hustle back and help your d man. But this causes further breakdown, and is absolutely wrong.

Sorry, on this one you are absolutely wrong. If you want to blame anyone else, Petry was forced to cheat over because Ferrence sort of got beat wide. But otherwise that is squarely and entirely on Petry's

Did you not read the line in my post "A good defensive centre puts his head down and hustles back. Picking up the trailer"

At no point did I say help the "D"

Perhaps you should read the post before arguing against it. Using the same thing that was posted in the first place.

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#199 Mikey
December 02 2013, 08:09AM
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Smokey wrote:

Pundits have hypothetically talked bout fielding a second team cause of Canada's depth for how long? Its hypotheticals. If your arguement is you can live in hypotheticals well enjoy your week argument buddy.

The gentlemen who said Perron should be on Team Canada may be wrong. Was the comment outlandish. No way. If Perron did not miss those 3-4 games he is probably sitting in the 40-50 range in the NHL in scoring. His two.way game is sound, and is exactly the type of player that you would want on a championship team. He would have to get real hot to have an outside chance I admit and depth.on the wing is steller. I would not take him but he'd be in the conversation if he is top 45 point producer come Febuary. Not every player Canada always takes is a superstar. Canada took last time Morrow, Richards, Bergeron. I think these are players like Perron. The sound two way gritty players that do certain roles well.

Make a arguement against it rather then skirting the debate

I am the one who said it. When I said it I was thinking of those 3 exactly.

I remember when Morrow was picked to go, everyone was saying that was a bad pick. Same goes for Bergeron. You got to remember that Bergeron really only came out to take faceoffs, he would win it, then make a line change.

I said it was a homer statment and Perron really has about as much chance to make the olympics as the oilers do making the playoffs. But I thought at least on guy should mention his name.

Plus he would be vital to the shootout.

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#200 Mikey
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Serious Gord wrote:

Not true. Marchand is a far better player at performing the role that he does than Perron is at his.

Is there anyone who reads this who wouldn't trade Perron for Marchand straight up?

Me. I wouldn't make that trade. Ever. You are right tho, Marchand is a better instigater, to bad their is more to hockey than that. I would like to see Marchand play for a team like the oilers, I got a feeling he would be ineffective knowing he has no Lucic or Chara or Thorton to back him up.

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