Taylor Hall, Opportunity and the 2014 Olympics

Jonathan Willis
December 10 2013 08:14AM

Yesterday, TSN’s extremely well-connected Darren Dreger listed five players at left wing on his projected Canadian Olympic depth chart. After those five names, he listed four other players as left wings fighting for a spot on the team. That’s nine names total; Taylor Hall’s wasn’t even mentioned.

It’s pretty unlikely that Dreger just pulled those names out of thin air. Anybody who follows hockey knows that he has sources, and given the number of NHL people involved in the Hockey Canada selection process it’s a pretty good bet that he’s given us a decent look at what the management group is thinking.

Hall’s Chances

Despite Hall’s well-publicized lapses in the defensive zone, there’s no doubt that he stacks up extremely well against the nine guys on Dreger’s list offensively. Even if we stack the deck against Hall – starting the clock in his rookie season and giving no weight to his improvement since then – he shows very well:

Player G/82 A/82 PTS/82
Eric Staal 28 48 76
Patrick Sharp 34 40 74
Taylor Hall 32 40 72
Jamie Benn 26 44 70
Chris Kunitz 32 38 70
James Neal 35 34 69
Patrick Marleau 33 34 67
Logan Couture 33 32 65
Matt Duchene 27 35 62
Milan Lucic 26 35 61

If we nix Hall’s rookie year, he’s seventh among Canadian forwards in points-per-game since 2011.

It’s more than scoring, too. Hockey’s a game of what a team creates versus what it gives up, and Hall was incredible in that regard last season. With Hall on the ice in 2012-13, the Oilers out-shot the opposition 36-32; with him on the bench those numbers fell to 23-32. That’s an insane tilt, the mark of a true difference-maker, one of the very best players in the entire world.

Is it frustrating that Hall sometimes cheats for offence, or occasionally turns the puck over while making plays? Yes, it is, because he could be an utterly dominant player and instead he’s just a very, very good one. It’s probably going to cost him an Olympic spot, even if it shouldn’t.

But it’s also an opportunity for Edmonton.

Coachable Moment?

It’s a pretty good bet that Hall wants to play for Canada. He represented his country at the World Championships last summer and he played in various international tourneys as a junior. Last year, of course, was marred by Lindy Ruff’s usage of Hall but if anything that should only go toward illustrating the same point.

People aren’t going to take Hall seriously as one of the game’s greats – even if he is one – until he’s as enthusiastic about work in his own zone as he is about putting points up on the board. He’s already shown an ability to adapt his game, focusing on being more aware of hits and improving his play-making; he can make another shift to be a more responsible two-way player.

Self-preservation likely helped motivate the first change. Getting his proper due can help motivate the second. And ensuring that Hall makes that jump is one of a bunch of challenges facing Dallas Eakins.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Citizen David
December 10 2013, 09:07AM
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Hall makes my Olympic team any day. Gets a spot in the top six. Absolutely fantastic player.

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#2 Lowe Expectations
December 10 2013, 08:19AM
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To be considered for the Olympics, every player must excel in all areas of the ice. Taylor Hall has very little concept of defensive zone coverage (where to go, how to react). Skating a zillion miles an hour down the wing to float the puck on the net is not the stuff of Olympians.

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#3 Fresh Mess
December 10 2013, 08:55AM
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Hall's destiny should still be at centre. His apologists tried to blame his horrible lapses on being out of position, but they continued when he moved back to wing. If he could get his game together and be responsible, his perceived worth around the NHL would skyrocket as a C/LW.

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#4 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 09:29AM
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Clarko wrote:

I agree with that statement...and also, Malkin's turnovers are often in his own zone and at the offensive blue line.

I like Malkin a lot, but he turns over the puck quite a bit.

Malkin has won the Cup and a Conn Smyth. Played at the Olympics.All things Hall has never even remotely come close to doing.He has never even played a playoff game in the NHL. There is no comparison between the two players.

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#5 Reg Dunlop
December 10 2013, 10:12AM
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Guys like Dreger sicken me. An Alberta boy and he's completely disrespecting Hallsy and the Oiler org. Can't he see the crazy, top-end skill of a first overall? Maybe he has been brainwashed into having an eastern bias because not only Hall but Ebs, Nuge and Gags should be in Sochi. We have to have cute nicknames and mad top end skill to bring home gold. Who is going to wheel those Russian babes with Hall playing Xbox instead of flying toward the opponents net and coasting back to his own blueline? Who else is going to look sullen on the bench when coach grinds him for taking a 2 minute shift?

They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard.

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#6 Zarny
December 10 2013, 11:12AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

The entire Giveaway argument is idiotic.

Turnovers are a measure of how often someone has the puck, nothing more.

Regulars among the turnover leader board include Datsyuk, Getzlaf, Zetterberg, Kessel, Tavares...

People need to stop it.

Umm no...you argument is idiotic.

Those regular leaders on the turnover board...Datsyuk, Getzlaf, Zetterberg, Kessel and Tavares are also on the leader board for players who get on their horse to get the puck back when they turn it over.

Hall...not so much.

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#7 Zarny
December 10 2013, 11:19AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

The very idea of a top 6 and a bottom six made up of role players on the Olympic teams needs to be eliminated forever.

A hockey players "role" is to outscore the opposition.

The reason these "role players" exist in the NHL has to do with financial constraints, not a quest for some magical mix of players.

If you can send a 4th line of Getzlaf-Perry-Nash, you don't send marginal players instead because they are better suited to some mythical "role". It's idiotic.

Not actually that argument is idiotic too.

The Olympics is not an all-star game. The 3rd and 4th lines and bottom pairing D do not get equal ice time.

And part of outscoring the opposition is preventing goals; not just scoring them. Winning 2-1 is better than losing 5-4.

When you get to the 3rd or 4th line the offense you gain with many players is marginal at best compared to the increased liability and risk you get on defense.

"Role players" at the Olympics are not guys like Colton Orr.

They are guys like Bergeron; literally one of the best defensive forwards in the world. Or Mike Richards. Or Patrick Sharp.

What's idiotic is thinking the Olympics is an all-star game you're going to win 9-8.

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#8 cccsberg
December 10 2013, 09:52AM
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Clarko wrote:

If you offered Taylor Hall straight up for any player on that list today, you could basically have any one of those players. Especially Kunitz who will probably make the team.

If you wouldn't trade Hall straight up for Kunitz, then you are full of crap when if anyone says Kunitz is an all-round better player than Hall.

The ONLY reason Kunitz makes this team is because he plays with Crosby. If Hall plays with Crosby, he makes this team every time all day long...there wouldn't even be a question.

Crazy, crazy homer comment, but its good to be a fan and support your guys, even if its crazy. Hall right now is a big fish in a little pond. His defence is terrible, selfish play and turnovers galore... but, since Edmonton hasn't got anything better, and because the Oilers turned the team over to the prima donna youth (way too early) they can't bench him or try some other things and he doesn't have to listen, and he continues to get primo minutes to rack up the misleading stats. LOL on him learning and getting the message. Everyone else on that list are team players, and Kunitz for instance is good is because he can work with Crosby and they make a great unit. Putting Hall with his me-first attitude and sloppy play with Crosby is a huge down-grade on what they already have.

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#9 K_Mart
December 10 2013, 08:40AM
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you'd think his defensive zone lapses would take away from his offensive zone time and offensive production, yet he is still 3rd on that list. I get why he won't make the team, but not why he isn't even in the conversation.

We you are constantly driving the play towards the opposition you are going to have the most turnovers. It's hard to turn the puck over when you never have it.. hall always finds a way to get the puck. In turn he turns it over quite a bit. Something he's getting much better at.

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#10 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 09:20AM
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Clarko wrote:

Watching the Pens game last night, I saw Malkin give the puck away several times throughout the game...he actually turns over the puck quite a bit. I imagine there is no conversation to leave him off the Russian team.

All skill players give the puck away.That is a given.It is the turnovers at both blue lines that hurt a team.

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#11 K_Mart
December 10 2013, 09:25AM
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Hall deserves to be in the mix, no question

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#12 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 09:47AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Sweet. Does this mean Penner gets to go? He has a couple of cups as well and has a history with Getzlaf.

Well many fans here thought he should of went to the last Olympics.

I didn't and still don't lazy player.

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#13 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 08:25AM
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"Taylor Hall’s wasn’t even mentioned." This is not surprising anywhere outside of Edmonton.

Learn to play a complete game Taylor.You have four years to the next chance.Make the most of that time.Making the playoffs might help.Winning a Cup definitely would.

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#14 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 08:40AM
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Clarko wrote:

Interesting that Taylor Hall's numbers are better than both Neal and Kunitz. Imagine what Hall's numbers would be if he got to play with Crosby and Malkin.

By numbers you mean points right?

Points alone do not make the player.

A complete game a great attitude a big heart and above all winning makes the player.

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#15 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 09:35AM
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@Clarko

Kunitz has won the Cup he has a history with Crosby he is a more mature player.

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#16 Clarko
December 10 2013, 08:35AM
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Interesting that Taylor Hall's numbers are better than both Neal and Kunitz. Imagine what Hall's numbers would be if he got to play with Crosby and Malkin.

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#17 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 09:10AM
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Citizen David wrote:

Hall makes my Olympic team any day. Gets a spot in the top six. Absolutely fantastic player.

And that is why you are not in charge of picking the team.

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#18 confused clarence
December 10 2013, 09:34AM
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@spydyr, pleasse stop making sense. I'd really like to avoid giving you props...

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#19 Rob F
December 10 2013, 01:12PM
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Some other guy wrote:

Well, it sucks for Oiler fans that they won't have any of their own in the olympics. Thats why I'm especially excited to watch Darnell Nurse in the world juniors.

yakupov......no respect.....

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#20 S cottV
December 10 2013, 01:28PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

Sorry Tiger - but you really have no clue. Try analyzing golf....

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#21 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 09:15AM
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Mikey wrote:

Or, what if he had an actual NHL D corp behind him? His defensive game would look a lot better.

He could be playing with the best defence in the NHL.A give away at either blue line is still a give away at the blue line.Until Hall removes that from his game he will not be in the Olympic conversation.

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#22 Anthony
December 10 2013, 09:59AM
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From what I gather, Canada would rather shift a bunch of Centers to play Left Wing, instead of taking one of the most dominate left wings in the NHL. I think a pretty good comparison for Hall is Kessel. Similar numbers, similar type of player, now imagine the US left Kessel off the team. I guess this shows how deep Canada is, but also, how insane they are to leave Hall off the team/discussion table.

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#23 Zarny
December 10 2013, 01:06PM
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Citizen David wrote:

He has a better Career Points per game than everyone on that list except Crosby and Stamkos.

Whoopty flippin doo.

Over the last few years Spezza is actually behind Crosby, Stamkos, St. Louis and Giroux and tied with Neal and Tavares for pt/gm.

Oh...and you get a whopping 0.2 pt/gm more than the guy in 25th place.

Meanwhile, the chances Spezza gives up a game-winning goal in the last 10 minutes is about 200% higher compared to Toews, Getzlaf, Staal, Couture, Sharp and about 10 other forwards.

Like I said, whatever offense you "might" get from Spezza is marginal at best compared to the drop in defense play.

Which is why he has a 0% chance of going to Sochi.

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#24 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 09:08AM
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Clarko wrote:

That's my point. Hall's offensive numbers are already better without two of the best players in the game playing center with him. He would crush Kunitz and Neal in points playing with Crosby.

And to your earlier comment about heart, I would argue that Hall has plenty of that with a winning attitude. He has a history of winning, but the Oilers organization has a way of beating that out of their players.

Winning in the NHL is harder then winning in junior.Winning at the Olympics is even harder still.

Hall at the last Worlds was benched because of his give aways , play without the puck and defensive liabilities.

The Olympic team is much, much harder to make then the Worlds team.That is why he is not even in the conversation outside of Edmonton.

The people picking the Olympic team take into account your play at the Worlds.

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#25 geoilersgist
December 10 2013, 09:45AM
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j wrote:

Very few players on Canadian Olympic teams play on terrible NHL teams. Most players come from successful organizations and are part of a winning culture. The Canadian Olympic brass have more than enough players to choose from without taking a chance on a thoroughbred without structure. They don't need to take that chance. And you really can't blame Hall for the player he is or isn't. He is the product of the organization i.e. unstructured, chaotic, lost in the desert. Hopefully there is time to turn this around for all the young talent on the team but it will take iron will from MacT and Eakins to do it.

Nash played for a horrible Columbus team forever and is now playing for a Rangers team that can't get it together yet he is a shoe in for Canada... it all makes so much sense now....

I would argue that Hall is more useful on that large ice than Nash

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#26 Dawn
December 10 2013, 10:38AM
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International gold is a pipe dream for Canada as long as HC is more about politics than icing the best players available.

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#27 Zarny
December 10 2013, 11:28AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

What does that have to do with turnovers?

If you want to say he doesn't hustle back enough for you, fine, but that isn't the argument people are making when they say he turns it over too much.

It all ties together.

Hall is a chronic turnover case. As you pointed out though he's certainly not the only one.

However, those other players are voracious at getting the puck back and correcting their mistakes (with the exception of Kessel).

So if Hall turns the puck over and isn't going to get it back he becomes a defensive liability.

When Datsyuk turns the puck over the odds are he gets it back. It also helps that he's one of the best defensive forwards in the world.

When Hall turns the puck over the odds are the other team gets a scoring opportunity. It's the same story with Spezza and Mike Green (not as much anymore).

HC is about mitigating risk. Sure, you might get a few extra points from players like Hall but that's a marginal increase in offense compared to the increase in likelihood he coughs the puck up and causes the game-winning goal.

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#28 boxman
December 10 2013, 03:20PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Thank you for taking the time to read and respond to our endless drivel.

Or you could just not read our comments.

No one is making you except you.

It is true that I don't have to read your comments but skipping around your drivel takes time. If you and Zarny insist on caterwauling back and forth without intelligent thought or even a sense of humour the kind thing would be brevity.

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#29 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 09:34AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Hall's defensive laps are not as bad as you think they are.

Hall turns the puck over mostly because he's the only option left and try's to do too much, not because he has no "concept"

You do realize that Hall would be playing on international ice right, flying down the wing would be an understatement.......Try blowing past people who had really no idea how fast the kid really is.

You still need to score goals to win.

Hall has to learn to get the puck deep when he runs out of options and sometimes getting the puck out is the best thing.Not a pass over a couple sticks.Last time he played on the big ice he was benched.

You have to stop goals to win.

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#30 Clarko
December 10 2013, 09:43AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Kunitz has won the Cup he has a history with Crosby he is a more mature player.

I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.

Today (without any consideration to future potential and age), I still would rather have Hall on my roster.

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#31 Greasy Goal
December 10 2013, 10:33AM
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Why is Giroux projected on the second line? He's had a horrid season(20 points in 30 games). Is team Canada going after reputational players, producing players, or are they going after a weird combination of both which could leave people scratching their heads? I believe thats called the 'political' aspect of choosing.

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#32 Zamboni Driver
December 10 2013, 10:53AM
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Good lord the inferiority complex in this City is equaled only by the level to which we overvalue our players.

The point of the Olympics is to win.

I think the guys in charge "know a little something about winning"TM (except that unlike Six Cups they do since they, you know, won last time)

Hall will get a serious look in four years.

A guy who is clueless in his own zone. Played next to no time in the World Championships (and NOT because the coach was a big meanie and anti-Oilers) Doesn't hit anybody, and just skates around real fast does not make the Olympic team.

Kunitz gets in because he plays with Crosby. Probably yeah, he does. Simple as that. It's a short tournament - the point is to win.

Edmonton fans remember winning, right?

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#33 Rama Lama
December 10 2013, 11:20AM
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The criticism for Hall " Cheating for Offence", by various pundits is laughable!!!

If you were playing on the Oilers, and no one around you could do ANYTHING that resembles offence.......might I suggest you would do exactly the same thing.

I remember a day when Gretzky, would almost always cheat for offence......the difference was back in those days we had defensemen that could actually get him the puck.

Our issues are not offence, strictly the absence of defencemen that can actually move the puck. The closest thing we have in that regard is Philip Larsen.

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#34 Zarny
December 10 2013, 11:31AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

The criticism for Hall " Cheating for Offence", by various pundits is laughable!!!

If you were playing on the Oilers, and no one around you could do ANYTHING that resembles offence.......might I suggest you would do exactly the same thing.

I remember a day when Gretzky, would almost always cheat for offence......the difference was back in those days we had defensemen that could actually get him the puck.

Our issues are not offence, strictly the absence of defencemen that can actually move the puck. The closest thing we have in that regard is Philip Larsen.

1) Taylor Hall is not Wayne Gretzky

2) You don't see Crosby, Toews, Getzlaf, Sharp or Couture etc cheating for offense. Not like Hall.

I agree a substandard D is part of the problem and that includes Larsen. Moving the puck is nice but stopping opposing players is even better.

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#35 Zarny
December 10 2013, 01:14PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
Sorry bud but it does all tie together.

Bud? Really?

Yes, players who have the puck a lot turn it over a lot. Players who make the Olympics, however, go get it back. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Getzlaf...everyone you named but Kessel does just that. Hall doesn't. Period.

Yet Hall has a solid record of drastically outchancing the opposition. How has he managed this with so many turnovers and without any ability to acquire the puck I wonder.

It also matters where you turn the puck over. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Getzlaf etc almost never turn the puck over at either blue line.

This is false. Most turnovers by puck possession players occur at the blue line. As I said to someone earlier - if you can prove to me that Datsyuk is more prone to dumping in the puck than Hall I will listen to this argument. Otherwise it's just the shrill noise from fans of a losing team reaching for answers.

Good grief, you should try making a point instead of just driveling on.

And learn to read.

I didn't say Datsyuk is more likely to dump the puck. He's simply less likely to turn the puck over at the blue-lines.

If you need proof go watch any of Detroit's 82 regular season games. Pavel Datsyuk is a perennial Selke trophy candidate.

Finally, even if Hall and Datsyuk turn the puck over in the exact same spot on the ice Datsyuk repeatedly gets the puck back far more often than Hall.

Thus, preventing the opposition from getting a scoring chance.

Hall? Not so much. He's much more likely to be the forward 5th back into the d-zone and just creeping into the screen as the opposition scores.

It's not a coincidence that of all the LW being mentioned for Canada Hall is virtually the only negative in plus/minus.

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#36 boxman
December 10 2013, 01:51PM
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Zarny and Spydyr you seem pretty impressed with hearing yourselves but I would urge you both to say less, much less. Your endless drivel only confirms that you both played hockey and football without a helmet and that narcissism is an unattractive quality.

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#37 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 02:55PM
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boxman wrote:

Zarny and Spydyr you seem pretty impressed with hearing yourselves but I would urge you both to say less, much less. Your endless drivel only confirms that you both played hockey and football without a helmet and that narcissism is an unattractive quality.

Thank you for taking the time to read and respond to our endless drivel.

Or you could just not read our comments.

No one is making you except you.

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#38 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 08:51AM
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Clarko wrote:

I mean all of the above. Look at Pittsburgh's organization, structure, coaching consistency, winning culture, and surrounding players.

Would Hall not benefit in not only points, but also from having a very good coach, a consistent system to play under, and the benefit of being sheltered by Crosby, Malkin, Letang, etc.?

Sure, but who wouldn't. You could say that about any player on a losing team.

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#39 Clarko
December 10 2013, 09:01AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Sure, but who wouldn't. You could say that about any player on a losing team.

That's my point. Hall's offensive numbers are already better without two of the best players in the game playing center with him. He would crush Kunitz and Neal in points playing with Crosby.

And to your earlier comment about heart, I would argue that Hall has plenty of that with a winning attitude. He has a history of winning, but the Oilers organization has a way of beating that out of their players.

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#40 Clarko
December 10 2013, 09:29AM
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Spydyr wrote:

This about picking the Olympic team not making trades.They are two completely different balls of wax.

But my argument is that Hall is a better all-round player than Kunitz. Sure, Hall has some deficiencies in his game (I think they are a little overstated), but I would rather have Hall on my team than Kunitz. Doesn't matter if I'm the GM of the Penguins, Oilers, or Team Canada.

If you take Hall over Kunitz as GM of both the Pens and Oilers, why wouldn't you take him over Kunitz as GM of Team Canada?

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#41 Walter Sobchak
December 10 2013, 09:30AM
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Lowe Expectations wrote:

To be considered for the Olympics, every player must excel in all areas of the ice. Taylor Hall has very little concept of defensive zone coverage (where to go, how to react). Skating a zillion miles an hour down the wing to float the puck on the net is not the stuff of Olympians.

Hall's defensive laps are not as bad as you think they are.

Hall turns the puck over mostly because he's the only option left and try's to do too much, not because he has no "concept"

You do realize that Hall would be playing on international ice right, flying down the wing would be an understatement.......Try blowing past people who had really no idea how fast the kid really is.

You still need to score goals to win.

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#42 TigerUnderGlass
December 10 2013, 10:42AM
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The very idea of a top 6 and a bottom six made up of role players on the Olympic teams needs to be eliminated forever.

A hockey players "role" is to outscore the opposition.

The reason these "role players" exist in the NHL has to do with financial constraints, not a quest for some magical mix of players.

If you can send a 4th line of Getzlaf-Perry-Nash, you don't send marginal players instead because they are better suited to some mythical "role". It's idiotic.

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#43 rindog
December 10 2013, 10:54AM
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Spydyr wrote:

By numbers you mean points right?

Points alone do not make the player.

A complete game a great attitude a big heart and above all winning makes the player.

Chris Kunitz has twice as many give aways as he does take aways. Hall is a little bit better than that.

Just becasue Hall has more turnovers overall doesnt mean he is worse than Kunitz defensively. It simply means he has the puck more and therefore turns it over more.

Would you rather have a guy that makes less mistakes because he gets involved less or a guys that drives the play and makes a differene?

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#44 Rama Lama
December 10 2013, 11:41AM
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Zarny wrote:

1) Taylor Hall is not Wayne Gretzky

2) You don't see Crosby, Toews, Getzlaf, Sharp or Couture etc cheating for offense. Not like Hall.

I agree a substandard D is part of the problem and that includes Larsen. Moving the puck is nice but stopping opposing players is even better.

I suspect on your team Coffee, Bourque, Niedermyer, McInnis, Doughty etc........would never play on your team.

Since you are so much smarter than the rest of us, give me some names you would accept on your team.

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#45 Zarny
December 10 2013, 12:52PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

No it doesn't "tie together". Players who have the puck a lot turn it over a lot. Period.

If you have a different argument then make it.

Sorry bud but it does all tie together.

Yes, players who have the puck a lot turn it over a lot.

Players who make the Olympics, however, go get it back.

Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Getzlaf...everyone you named but Kessel does just that.

Hall doesn't. Period.

So when you turn the puck over and don't get it back you become a defensive liability.

It also matters where you turn the puck over. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Getzlaf etc almost never turn the puck over at either blue line. Their giveaways rarely lead to immediate scoring chances.

Hall? Quite frequently his turnovers lead to immediate scoring chances for the opposing team.

If this is too confusing for you then perhaps you should go watch some more hockey.

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#46 Spydyr
December 10 2013, 01:24PM
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Some other guy wrote:

Well, it sucks for Oiler fans that they won't have any of their own in the olympics. Thats why I'm especially excited to watch Darnell Nurse in the world juniors.

Ummmm Nurse did not even make the short list for the WJC

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#47 Puck_In_Throat
December 10 2013, 01:37PM
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Using the stats as they currently appear for the 2013/2014 NHL season, this is why Taylor Hall isn't part of the convo:

Giveaways per 82 games

Eric Staal 63

Patrick Sharp 15

Taylor Hall 120

Jamie Benn 76

Chris Kunitz 46

James Neal 31

Patrick Marleau 70

Logan Couture 68

Matt Duchene 26

Milan Lucic 76

Taylor Hall is a giveaway machine. If you think that leads to bad results in the NHL, just imagine how much worse it is when you are turning the puck over to perennial all-stars and snipers.

Patrick Sharp, by contrast, gives the puck away almost ten times less. Even the most giveaway prone guy on the list after Hall only give the puck away half as much.

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#48 S cottV
December 10 2013, 01:58PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

Ok - well take your case to Hockey Canada and good luck - because even with his lack of defensive play to fit in a bottom 6 role, too many turnovers, is on a next to last place team with leadership in question - etc etc, i would still like to see him play in the Olypics. You may be his and our best hope to change their minds. Go get em - Tiger...

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#49 TigerUnderGlass
December 10 2013, 02:19PM
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@Zarny

Plus/minus?

#pennerforsochi

Re: Datsyuk - I've explained this twice now. I'm not doing it again for your benefit. I will do my very best to "learn to read" however. Grow up "bud".

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#50 Zarny
December 10 2013, 04:57PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Plus/minus?

#pennerforsochi

Re: Datsyuk - I've explained this twice now. I'm not doing it again for your benefit. I will do my very best to "learn to read" however. Grow up "bud".

Nope.

You literally didn't make a point. Just driveled on about dumping the puck for no apparent reason.

The fact you even try to compare Hall and Datsyuk regarding turnovers is laughable.

Fun stats:

Giveaways this season:

Taylor Hall: 35 Tied for 4th most in the NHL

Pavel Datsyuk: 14 Tied for 138th most in the NHL

Takeaways this season:

Taylor Hall: 19 Tied for 55th most in the NHL

Pavel Datsyuk: 40 Literally has the most takeaways in the NHL.

Turnover plus/minus:

Taylor Hall: -19 16th worst in the NHL.

Pavel Datsyuk: 26 The 2nd best in the NHL.

When Taylor Hall gives the puck away, he should literally watch and do what Pavel Datsyuk does.

He doesn't and it's not even close.

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