Where Does Devan Dubnyk Belong in the Oilers’ Pantheon of Goalies?

Jonathan Willis
December 12 2013 08:56AM

 

With the advances in goaltending over the last three decades, it can be difficult to evaluate across eras. But it’s possible, by comparing each player to the league average at the time, to approximate how Devan Dubnyk stands up to Grant Fuhr and Bill Ranford and Tommy Salo and all the rest.

As most readers have likely guessed, this little exercise was prompted by Robin Brownlee making the point on this site last night that Devan Dubnyk is back in front of Dwayne Roloson for the top save percentage in Edmonton Oilers history.

Brownlee was right of course, but what happens if we adjust for era?

The List

Player Seasons GP Save percentage Adjusted SV%
Andy Moog* 1980-87 235 0.887 0.923
Grant Fuhr* 1981-91 423 0.882 0.916
Dwayne Roloson 2005-09 193 0.909 0.914
Mathieu Garon 2007-09 62 0.909 0.912
Tommy Salo 1998-04 334 0.906 0.911
Bill Ranford 1987-00 449 0.887 0.910
Curtis Joseph 1995-98 177 0.902 0.910
Devan Dubnyk 2009-14 164 0.910 0.910
Ty Conklin 2001-06 60 0.905 0.909
Bob Essensa 1996-99 74 0.904 0.909
Jussi Markkanen 2001-07 102 0.898 0.904
Jeff Deslauriers 2008-10 58 0.901 0.902
Nikolai Khabibulin 2009-13 117 0.903 0.900

With the exception of Ron Low and Eddie Mio – who played in Edmonton before save percentage was recorded by the league – that’s every goalie to play in at least 50 games for the Oilers (goalies with an asterisk played some seasons prior to the league recording save percentage). The “Adjusted SV%” column is based on all of them playing in a 0.912 save percentage league (the current average).

Surprised?

It’s important first to be realistic about these numbers: comparing against the league-average gives us a baseline, but – especially going back to the 1980’s, when shot quality may have varied more widely between teams than it does today – it doesn’t give us bullet-proof numbers.

Some of that might be why Moog’s at the top of the list; anecdotal accounts suggest Fuhr got the toughest opponents once he’d established himself as the top goalie in the rotation. But the bigger problem was that Fuhr’s save percentage dropped dramatically versus the NHL average after Moog was traded to Boston; in the seasons when both played for the team they were neck-and-neck.

Other points:

  • Dwayne Roloson is a little higher on this list than I had expected, but he was fantastic in most of his time with the Oilers, considerably better than the NHL average.
  • I didn’t take into account playoff performances here; Curtis Joseph was spectacular in the post-season for Edmonton and he was with the team for a short enough time that a mediocre first season drags down his totals.
  • Jussi Markkanen’s early career with Edmonton was quite good, but he played a few years after he was done at the NHL level.
  • I expected Jeff Deslauriers to be at the bottom of this list, but the rise in NHL save percentage over the last five years gives Nikolai Khabibulin the crown.

My personal ranking? I’d give Fuhr the top slot between his playoff work and longer body of work with the Oilers and slide Moog in behind him. After that duo, Roloson has a bit of a gap over Joseph and Ranford, and then there’s another gap before reaching Salo and Dubnyk. Nikolai “Maginot Line” Khabibulin takes the last spot.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Aitch
December 12 2013, 09:37AM
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Dubnyk might be the best positional goalie in the game today. On the other hand, he may have the worst reflexes. That's what bugs me about him, every save looks like it just hits him. If it doesn't hit him, he doesn't appear to have a chance. The better goalies on the list made you believe they could bail you out of a bad situation. With Dubie, I don't feel like he can make "that save." He's like the anti-Hasek.

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#2 A-Mc
December 12 2013, 09:05AM
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This was an astute adjustment made by you JW. Save %'s need to be normalized some how, for sure, if goalies from different era's are being compared; and you did just that! Thanks.

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#3 Robin Brownlee
December 12 2013, 10:43AM
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It's always fun to compare players from different eras, but the numbers on their own don't provide an accurate picture if you don't adjust them and but them into perspective.

I watched every one of the goaltenders on the list Willis provided during my time on the beat because I'm old as dirt.

Fuhr's a cut above everybody in my books as a big-game goaltender and Cujo would be next followed by Moog and Ranford.

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#4 YakZ
December 12 2013, 09:57AM
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Man....to think what if Roloson wasn't hurt in the Stanley Cup finals in '06. I'm sure we'd have a 6th cup for sure. And he'd be Conn Smythe MVP no doubt.

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#5 S cottV
December 12 2013, 09:37AM
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The numbers probably show that Dubnyk is in the mix and with proper team support, he is still worth some optimism to develop into a true #1.

Bryz is still an unknown despite a positive first impression and if it continues once back in the line up - who knows if he will stay in North Pole. My guess is that he is outta here, if a better / warmer option presents itself.

I really feel strongly - that the failed swarm had more to do with Dubnyk struggling than most people know. Eakins admitted that it was a mistake. Who the hell can tend goal with the number of glaring chances that the swarm threw at Oiler goaltending, earlier this year? Dubie was giving up 2 (normal) - swarm stupidity gave up 2 = 4 and we lose. Dubnyk says the right things publicly, but in private he knows that dumb@ss system was killing him.

So - the jury probably still needs to deliberate over whether or not the goaltending is good enough whether Dubie, Bryz or in combination, but lets reasonably support them -so - you can actually tell.

Geez - the way its been going, you could easily bring in someone like Miller, pay a ton and get a .910 on the investment.

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#6 jr_christ
December 12 2013, 09:26AM
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I still remember that overtime save by Josepgh against Dallas (Joe N.?) that I think Joseph was even amazed he had stopped to allow us to win the series.

That Oilers team of 97 is the team I keep hoping we become... but it did take a 10 game win streak to get into the playoffs.

We were such a hard working hockey team back then and Dougie Weight just grabbed this team made us play tough hockey.

Don't get me wrong... it's fun watching these young guns out there. However, that 97 team was pure heart and sole. What did they call that Marchant line in the playoffs... the "cardio kids" line?

I wish the team still had that passion...

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#7 Richard
December 12 2013, 11:16AM
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What does it matter? Oilers are a bad hockey team and are working on the 8th year out of the playoffs, unless they change their philosophy this team will be a perpetual non playoff team.

Fire Kevin Lowe first.

Oilers would be a playoff team if the NHL was Non- contact.

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#8 Say what again
December 12 2013, 09:51PM
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You guys still lovin' Dubnyk after that softy of softies? He's been gifting us with those forever. You guys want more years of that? Feel free. I'll find another team ;) .

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#9 mayorblaine
December 12 2013, 09:27AM
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*awaits the 'soft goal' crowd*

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#10 Quintana
December 12 2013, 10:23AM
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feaster fired in Calgary........Man I wish to have a Gm like Burke.

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#11 RexHolez
December 12 2013, 04:55PM
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I've never been a dubnyk fan. I'm just amazed at how much support edmonton media gives this guy. I'm gonna go nuts if I have to read one more dubnyk apologist article. Does dubnyk buy good Christmas presents for the media or somthing?

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#12 Death Metal Nightmare
December 12 2013, 10:17PM
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Eskimo44 wrote:

The thing i always found funny is the Dubnyk lets in a weak goal every game argument. Since establishing himself in the NHL as a potential starter in 10-11 Dubnyk has played in 145 games. In those games he faced 4273 shots while making 3901 saves and gave up 372 goals on them. So if we go by the logic that in those games Dubnyk gave up 1 bad goal a game, not your words but the general sentiment, then he would have gave up only 227 goals in that time. Of course one "bad" goal a game is an extreme amount to be accounting for given all goalies give up "weak" goals and perhaps even you, as extreme in your hate for Dubnyk as you are, perhaps thinks the rate of "soft" goals isn't so high. So lets be generous to old Dubbie and say he only let in a "bad" goal more than a typical starter would in every 2nd game for 299 goals against in that time. Again if thats not generous enough for some lets say every 3rd game he lets in a "weak" goal for 324 goals against. If we take those goals against numbers we can figure out how many saves he should of made based on the 4273 shots against and calculate a save percentage for each scenario had he not given up weak goals (i.e. easily preventable). Lets look at those:

He's actual results

.913

Had he not given up a soft goal every game

.947

Had he not given up a bad goal once every 2 games

.930

Had he not given up a weak goal once every 3 games

.924

Keep in mind his numbers are being dragged down by the horrendous start to the season, before this year his save percentage had been .917 since 10-11. Also keep in mind the Oilers have had a terrible and inexperienced D. So just know when you hear someone say Dubnyk gives up a "bad" goal every game remember had he not he would be the arguably the greatest goalie to every to play. Even if he cut out the "weak" goals in every second game he's still a perrenial Veznia finalist. And even if he still cut them down to one every 3rd game he's still posting very good, all star contention worthy numbers. Remember these are "soft" goals, goals that should be easy to save. If that's all Dubnyk has to improve on then he's got the ability to be an elite starter. Or you know perhaps he's just a whipping boy he gets blamed unfairly for i swear at least 80% of the goals against. How people can say we have a terrible defense, a lack of two forwards/centers, and at times system problems but yet expect Dubnyk to have better than average results just to prove he's at least average is beyond me. Dubnyk has been an average goalie in a far less than average/ideal situation. Perhaps he's not letting in as many weak goals as you think because if he is then this defense is just incredible to keep putting him in a position to post even average numbers. He's got some things to improve on but he also does some things very well and makes some more difficult saves look easier with his size and composure. He had a terrible start but we've all seen this guy play a a pretty consistent level for some time, including now for the last half of this season. This fan base is often guilty of the most ridiculous scapegoating i've ever seen.

post me another essay tonight on how solid Dubnyk is after this Bruins game.

WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK WINK

YOU RATIONAL MATH ADULT. POST ME SOME BLOG ESSAYS TO PROVE HOW SICK YOUR HOCKEY MIND IS. YOURE THE SMARTEST

PS - TL;DR your post. the chaos clown always trumps the "im-smarter-than-you" cynical adult.

DUBNYK IS TRASH

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#13 RexHolez
December 12 2013, 10:33PM
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If the oilers traded goalies with every team they played, we'd be talking playoffs

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#14 Wintoon
December 12 2013, 10:28AM
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A question which immediately arises is "How many of the higher rated goalies played for atrocious teams?". This should consider atrocious, both offensively and defensively, as the mental attitude of a goalie is a key consideration. If the goalie believes they are in the game with a chance to win that is very different from a goalie who is hanging on to try to stem a tidal wave of chances against.

In DD's case I would suggest he has to deal with the tidal wave rather than thinking they are in the game with a chance to win.

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#15 Tikkanese
December 12 2013, 11:21AM
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mlcselli wrote:

It's true. Confirmed on TSN. What a rotten thing to do at Christmas. I don't disagree with the decision, only the timing. Business is business I guess.

I'd say it was a gift to not have to deal with that roster anymore.

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#16 NsxZero
December 12 2013, 09:12AM
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I was looking for Joaquin Gage and Fred Brathwaite, I guess they didn't even play 50 games for the Oilers. Joaquin Gage, what a fun name to say.

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#17 John Chambers
December 12 2013, 10:42AM
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Great idea for an article.

Cujo seemed like a much better goalie than this suggests. At the time he seemed to be around 5th to 10th best in the league, and that league included Hasek, Roy, and Brodeur.

In those years right after the '06 Cup run it's amazing to look back at the numbers and realize how underappreciated both Roloson and MacT were.

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#18 Rotten Ron
December 12 2013, 11:15AM
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@Robin Brownlee

Moogs play in the Montreal and Islanders series' in 1981 was the best goaltending this franchise has ever seen. Was the better goalie in my eyes. Sat thru to many regular season games where Fuhr didnt care for 55 minutes. With Moog getting starts as opposed to Fuhr in the playoff runs the result would have been the same. At times Fuhr's brilliance was needed due to his play earlier in games,

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#19 madjam
December 12 2013, 11:17AM
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mlcselli wrote:

It's true. Confirmed on TSN. What a rotten thing to do at Christmas. I don't disagree with the decision, only the timing. Business is business I guess.

Assistant GM canned as well . Sort of like doing MacT. And Howson in same day . Downsizing as Burke appears to be doing it all himself . Maybe there is a lesson for us ?

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#20 LOIL99
December 12 2013, 12:11PM
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Now normalize for team playing infront of them, Dubnyks adjusted save percentage skyrockets.

The fact that he is even hanging in there with these other Oiler goalies when he has played behind BY FAR the worst Oilers teams in history says a lot.

He is a perfectly capable goalie and IS NOT what the problem with this team is.

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#21 Zarny
December 12 2013, 03:42PM
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Interesting adjustment. Dubnyk ends up roughly where I expected.

I've always maintained Dubey is a middle-third starting G. Good enough to make the playoffs but not win the Cup.

Nothing I've seen this year changes that assessment.

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#22 Slyers
December 12 2013, 09:24PM
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RexHolez wrote:

I've never been a dubnyk fan. I'm just amazed at how much support edmonton media gives this guy. I'm gonna go nuts if I have to read one more dubnyk apologist article. Does dubnyk buy good Christmas presents for the media or somthing?

You said It brother, the Gagner / Dubnyk apologists are getting old. What is most laughable is watching so called advanced stat guys trying to twist numbers anyway they can to show either of these guys are good players. What a freaking joke!!!!!! Watch the game put down the calculator !!!!!

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#23 Andy7190
December 12 2013, 10:37PM
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RexHolez wrote:

If the oilers traded goalies with every team they played, we'd be talking playoffs

Pretty much.

But wins don't matter.

Math does.

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#24 Rob...
December 12 2013, 09:53AM
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~Well, and here I thought I wanted to see his jersey retired because it means we'd have moved on to a better goaltender.

PS: desperately hoping Dubnyk somehow becomes the goalie that proves me and all other haters wrong

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#25 camdog
December 12 2013, 10:05AM
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JW, I like the calibrated stats, now if you could calibrate all of the other advance stats you use in some your writings it would be much appreciated! :)

As to DD he struggled horribly to start the season. Some of the ugly goals he gives up are a result of him cheating because he has no confidence in the d stopping the cross ice pass. On the other hand some of those weak goals he gives from a distance have me thinking he's half blind.

All goalies have a weakness, the good goalies have one weakness and the bad goalies have multiple weak spots. I always thought E-town fans were hard on Rollie and his 5-hole, I thought he was a really good goalie.

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#26 Zamboni Driver
December 12 2013, 10:37AM
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What ridiculous, stats-nerd-obsessed nonsense.

Clearly one of the greatest Oiler goalies of all time....Kari Takko.

Eyes don't lie.

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#27 mlcselli
December 12 2013, 11:07AM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Just read the Flames relieved Feaster and his assistant of their duties. Looks like Burkie's taking the reins.

It's true. Confirmed on TSN. What a rotten thing to do at Christmas. I don't disagree with the decision, only the timing. Business is business I guess.

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#28 oilerman53
December 12 2013, 12:34PM
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My take on Dubnyk is for a guy with his stature. 6'5 and most likely around above five feet on his knees. He sure does get beat high an awful lot! Watching the quick reflexes of any decent goalie in the NHL and watching Dubnyk wave clumsily at the puck tells you its all his positioning.

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#29 Oilerz4life
December 12 2013, 11:35PM
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LA has a third string back-up better than our starter. Maybe when Quick comes back we can trade Dubnyk for Jones. Bryzgalov can be our starter and Jones can be the Back-up.

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#30 northof51
December 12 2013, 09:32AM
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Oh boy... So if I read this correctly, only 3 Oilers goalies in the history of SV% have been better than league average? Ouch.

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#31 John Chambers
December 12 2013, 10:44AM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

What ridiculous, stats-nerd-obsessed nonsense.

Clearly one of the greatest Oiler goalies of all time....Kari Takko.

Eyes don't lie.

I'd take Mike Morrison any day

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#32 2004Z06
December 12 2013, 11:14AM
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mlcselli wrote:

It's true. Confirmed on TSN. What a rotten thing to do at Christmas. I don't disagree with the decision, only the timing. Business is business I guess.

It's ok, I am sure the severance package is more than compensation for the timing.

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#33 RexHolez
December 12 2013, 11:59AM
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Dubnyk isn't good enough. We don't need any more stats or comparisons. He already cost us this season and Smid. he has the rest of this season to try and earn a contract from another team.

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#34 Primo
December 12 2013, 12:00PM
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Oiler fans...Brian Burke of the Flames fired everyone this morning including the stick and water boys!

There is accountability in Calgary for winning now or your gonzo! No Oiler 8 year rebuild model without accountability!

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#35 gcw_rocks
December 12 2013, 01:31PM
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I was a big Moog fan as a kid and so this warms my heart!

Definitely time for bigger nets. When I was a kid goalies were my favourite players because of all the crazy acrobatics they had to do to make saves.

Now, I have little interest in them because all they need to do is get their positioning right and let the puck hit them. Bigger nets would force goalies to become athletic again and it would be nice to see a few more goals in a game.

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#36 Andy7190
December 12 2013, 09:44PM
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Slyers wrote:

You said It brother, the Gagner / Dubnyk apologists are getting old. What is most laughable is watching so called advanced stat guys trying to twist numbers anyway they can to show either of these guys are good players. What a freaking joke!!!!!! Watch the game put down the calculator !!!!!

Totally agree! Adjusted save %!

I'm sure Andy and Grant just love seeing the adjustment!

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#37 hockeycrazed
December 12 2013, 10:50AM
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That's more like it!!! I was scratching my head about what Robin was referring to when the article was out last night, trying my best to dig up some kind of stats to dispute Brownlee's claim, because back in my mind I think Fehr was the most spectacular of the lot with moog came a hair behind him. Even Ronnie Low (which you didn't include in the list) was way ahead of Dubnyk, stat or no stat! I know I shouldn't knock Dubnyk too much, but he is a perfect back-up goalie, who comes in every fifth game, or 2nd of a back to back game! I found that Dubnyk has a problem sustaining a high level of concentration, in a game, or game to game. he needs to be kept hungry for games to perform well. My opinion... what do I know!!!

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#38 camdog
December 12 2013, 11:27AM
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@Rotten Ron

The difference between the two is that a lot of Fuhr's saves looked flashier. I always thought that Oiler fans preferred goalie that made a stunning save when out of position rather, than an a simple save when the goalie was in position.

Ranford was my personal favorite because he won them a cup, a cup that with Fuhr in net we don't win.

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#39 Cold Hard Truth
December 12 2013, 11:31AM
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Looks like Calgary is making some moves. They'll taking off in the standings soon while the Oilers will continue to flounder.

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#40 OilClog
December 12 2013, 12:20PM
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Where's Pokey Reddick?! Spelling is probably off.. But there will never be another Pokey!

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#41 Justin
December 12 2013, 12:20PM
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Have you ever noticed in sports guys that are on TV or sport blogs writers really don't have a good handle on their team they are covering. Most thought this year or last year Oilers were a playoff team.

Really most if not all sports writers know very little about winning or losing. That is why a monkey could do just as well picking the winner or loser.

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#42 Spaceman Spiff
December 12 2013, 01:00PM
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To me, all of this illustrates a depressing “big picture” – today’s NHL game relies far too much on its goaltending. And that’s just not very fun.

I’m 41 and I’m old enough to remember the NHL hockey in the 1980s. I can tell you that, as a hockey-mad teenager, I had absolutely no idea what Grant Fuhr’s save-percentage was back then. That’s because we never heard much about SV% in the media. All that really seemed to matter, at that time, was goals-against average and, most importantly, wins.

We all know why, of course. It was a more offensive era and things could be pretty loosey-goosey in the defensive zone. Goalie equipment was smaller, as were all of the players.

Yes I know – you’ve heard this before. It was a more flowing game back then … even though all of the players less talented than they are now (and don’t get me wrong, the overall talent level in this league has gone up since then). But the talent level nowadays isn’t translating well to the style of the game.

Back then, we made fun of teams that dumped and chased and gave up the puck willingly. We mocked teams that bumped-and-grinded behind the net and along the boards (the word “cycle” was never a word I remember even hearing until the 2000s). The teams in the Patrick and Adams Divisions were the teams that resorted to that style of play and it was generally accepted that it was because they didn’t have the front-line skill to run-and-gun. And, thankfully, they were isolated … and usually pretty beatable in the Stanley Cup final because skill almost always beat grinding.

Nowadays, however, if don’t dump the puck in and chase it, your team is not likely to do well. If you aren’t able to “establish a cycle,” you’re done. It now means a point-a-game forward is considered a superstar. It now means a 30-goal scorer is a sniper. And it now means a goalie like Dubnyk can stop 91 per cent of his shots and be viewed as a mediocre-at-best (which, in today's context is quite correct).

All of this points to a game that’s become so systemic, so quagmired and so over-coached that one player on the ice has become the absolute fulcrum of a team’s success. We’ve all had to become statistical gurus because of it – and not just for GAA or SV%, but for advanced sabremetrics like Corsi and RealCorsi and whatever.

Yes, I know – it’s part of the natural evolution of the game. But I’m sorry – it’s just sad.

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#43 Eskimo44
December 12 2013, 03:34PM
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Death Metal Nightmare wrote:

you're insane. "shots on goal" doesnt mean crap. let's see the % of quality scoring chances and how many he saves or leaks in.

he has so many goals against in his career that "should have been saves" that you MIGHT have a point if most of those were saved.

he has NO confidence back there and the mental fortitude of a 10 year old Squirt goalie. im waiting for the tears on camera when someone does a wind up slapper on a breakaway and proceeds to just let the puck's momentum go through his 5 hole while he's jumping in the air to go down. the scoring player laughs and pisses himself in the corner while crying also.

The thing i always found funny is the Dubnyk lets in a weak goal every game argument. Since establishing himself in the NHL as a potential starter in 10-11 Dubnyk has played in 145 games. In those games he faced 4273 shots while making 3901 saves and gave up 372 goals on them. So if we go by the logic that in those games Dubnyk gave up 1 bad goal a game, not your words but the general sentiment, then he would have gave up only 227 goals in that time. Of course one "bad" goal a game is an extreme amount to be accounting for given all goalies give up "weak" goals and perhaps even you, as extreme in your hate for Dubnyk as you are, perhaps thinks the rate of "soft" goals isn't so high. So lets be generous to old Dubbie and say he only let in a "bad" goal more than a typical starter would in every 2nd game for 299 goals against in that time. Again if thats not generous enough for some lets say every 3rd game he lets in a "weak" goal for 324 goals against. If we take those goals against numbers we can figure out how many saves he should of made based on the 4273 shots against and calculate a save percentage for each scenario had he not given up weak goals (i.e. easily preventable). Lets look at those:

He's actual results

.913

Had he not given up a soft goal every game

.947

Had he not given up a bad goal once every 2 games

.930

Had he not given up a weak goal once every 3 games

.924

Keep in mind his numbers are being dragged down by the horrendous start to the season, before this year his save percentage had been .917 since 10-11. Also keep in mind the Oilers have had a terrible and inexperienced D. So just know when you hear someone say Dubnyk gives up a "bad" goal every game remember had he not he would be the arguably the greatest goalie to every to play. Even if he cut out the "weak" goals in every second game he's still a perrenial Veznia finalist. And even if he still cut them down to one every 3rd game he's still posting very good, all star contention worthy numbers. Remember these are "soft" goals, goals that should be easy to save. If that's all Dubnyk has to improve on then he's got the ability to be an elite starter. Or you know perhaps he's just a whipping boy he gets blamed unfairly for i swear at least 80% of the goals against. How people can say we have a terrible defense, a lack of two forwards/centers, and at times system problems but yet expect Dubnyk to have better than average results just to prove he's at least average is beyond me. Dubnyk has been an average goalie in a far less than average/ideal situation. Perhaps he's not letting in as many weak goals as you think because if he is then this defense is just incredible to keep putting him in a position to post even average numbers. He's got some things to improve on but he also does some things very well and makes some more difficult saves look easier with his size and composure. He had a terrible start but we've all seen this guy play a a pretty consistent level for some time, including now for the last half of this season. This fan base is often guilty of the most ridiculous scapegoating i've ever seen.

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#44 Andy7190
December 12 2013, 09:35PM
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Where does he rank?

At the bottom.

Save % is way over rated.

Grant Fuhr and Andy Moog had brutal stats -

Except in one area - WINS.

Yes, the team was better.

But there is a more recent example of a goalie with borderline mediocre stats on a weak team that had a whole lot of wins.

Kipper. I realize he didn't play in Edmonton. But he played on a weak team in the same relative era as Dubnyk.

But I'd rank every other goalie the Oilers ever ranked as their #1 as better than Dubnyk.

He doesn't win.

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#45 Tikkanese
December 12 2013, 10:21AM
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@JW You personally ranked Roloson ahead of Cujo and Ranford?!? Wow.

But otherwise good article.

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#46 mlcselli
December 12 2013, 10:29AM
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I think Dubby would be a much better goal tender if 2 things were to happen: 1) if he had decent defensemen supporting him and, 2) if he had a decent rebound and puck handling ability.

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#47 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
December 12 2013, 10:42AM
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Just read the Flames relieved Feaster and his assistant of their duties. Looks like Burkie's taking the reins.

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#48 Zamboni Driver
December 12 2013, 10:48AM
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@John Chambers

Tough call, you're right.

First guy to wear white pads, vs. a guy who says "Wicked Haa-h-rd".

My one regret is Gene Principe wasn't around when the Oilers had Takko. Think about how many "funny"* puns he would come up with.

*I find Gene's gig tiresome and hope he ditches it and becomes a real sports guy when Sportsnet takes over the world.

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#49 2004Z06
December 12 2013, 10:53AM
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Too bad there wasn't a stat for making the big save when it mattered. Or something that accounted for quality of shot.

Predictive stats are so easily skewed. If every shot a goalie faces is from 50 feet out with no traffic in front, I expect them to have a high save %. It is all relative to the team playing in front of you as well as the quality of the opposition. Way too many variables. Why the need to analyze the crap out of everything. It's a game played by athletes not a science fair run by mathematicians. Until they put robots on the ice, it is impossible to predict anything that involves the "human factor". On any given night, each player sees the game, feels, plays, reacts differently. Just watch the Oilers, impossible to predict how they will play on any night against any team. Hell a referee or ice conditions can influence a game.

Only stat that matters....wins vs. losses

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#50 Puck JammeR!
December 12 2013, 11:29AM
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can you imagine Dubnyk's head on Fuhr's body? boner city

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