GDB 36.0: A KING SIZED CHALLENGE

Jason Gregor
December 17 2013 01:00PM

 

Name  Height  Weight    Name  Height  Weight 
Jeff Carter    6' 4"  212   Jesse Joensuu    6' 4"  210
Dwight King    6' 4"  230   Luke Gazdic    6' 3"  240
Anze Kopitar  6' 3"  224   Ryan Smyth    6' 2"  191
Jordan Nolan    6' 3"  221   Taylor Hall    6' 1"  201
Kyle Clifford    6' 2"  211   Ryan Jones    6' 1"  208
Trevor Lewis    6' 1"  198   Ryan Nugent-Hopkins    6' 1"  180
Jarret Stoll    6' 1"  213   Boyd Gordon    6' 0"  202
Tyler Toffoli    6' 1"  196   Ales Hemsky    6' 0"  185
Justin Williams    6' 1"  189   David Perron    6' 0"  198
Dustin Brown   6' 0"  207   Mark Arcobello    5' 8"  166
Daniel Carcillo    6' 0"  200   Jordan Eberle    5' 11"  180
Matt Frattin    6' 0"  205   Sam Gagner    5' 11"  202
Mike Richards   5' 11"  196   Nail Yakupov    5' 11"  186
             
Name  Height  Weight    Name  Height  Weight 
Matt Greene  6' 3"  234   Anton Belov    6' 4"  218
Willie Mitchell    6' 3"  210   Jeff Petry    6' 3"  195
Jake Muzzin    6' 3"  214   Corey Potter 6' 3" 203
Robyn Regehr    6' 3"  222   Justin Schultz    6' 2"  188
Drew Doughty    6' 1"  213   Nick Schultz    6' 1"  203
Alec Martinez    6' 1"  209   Philip Larsen 6' 0"  182
Slava Voynov    6' 0"  194   Andrew Ference 5' 11" 187

When you compare the two rosters it is easy to see where the Oilers fall short. They aren't as experienced as the Kings, and they severely lack the size and overall heaviness of the Kings. Dustin Brown is one of the smaller Kings forwards in stature, but he plays big, and he's one of the best hitters in the game. Same as Mike Richards.

The Kings have a lot of size, but even their "smaller" players play a physical style. The Oilers can't match the Kings' size or abrasiveness, so they need to play a fast-paced, up tempo style to try and defeat the Kings.

**Also for those who keep suggesting the Oilers are an average team in size because one article listed them at an average of 203 pounds. Don't believe everything you read. Add up the numbers above. The Oilers average weight is 196.2 pounds, while the Kings are 209.9. That is an average difference of almost 15 pounds a player. Stop suggesting the Oilers aren't small. They are, and not only are they small, very few of them play big. That isn't a knock, that is just who they are and management will need to adjust the roster accordingly moving forward. The Oilers blueline isn't heavy enough and collectively they lack the aggression needed to shut down a good team.***

It is unfair to compare the Oilers to a team that won the Cup18 months ago, but you can see how to properly construct a Cup contender, when you look at the make up of the Kings and see so many different style of players. The Kings win because they have many skilled players, but also because they have diversity throughout their lineup.

The major difference is the size and strength of the Kings blueline compared to the Oilers. How can the Oilers expect their D-men to break up a cycle when they are so slight. You can have one or two smaller D-men, but you can't have five of them and expect to compete and against heavy teams. The Oilers D-men will need to use significantly more energy just to try and compete with the larger Kings, especially when they are battling for position in front of the net and in the corner.

It is unrealistic for the Oilers management and coaches to expect their team to defeat the Kings. They Oilers worked hard against the Bruins and Ducks, but ultimately they couldn't wear them down. That theme is likely to repeat itself tonight.

BUILDING AN IDENTITY...

Yesterday, I wrote that the Oilers need to find an identity, preferably one that will lead to more victories, and that Craig MacTavish has his work cut out trying to forge said identity.

I asked TSN analyst Ray Ferraro his thoughts on the Oilers identity. 

Their identity is they want to play with the puck, and they will degenerate into one-on-one play if you shut them down. If you ask anyone around the league they will say they are highly skilled up front, not so much on the backend and their goaltending is iffy. 

They have too many of the same players. That is their identity and it isn’t a winning one.  The problem is, even if they play really well a lot of their guys are all doing the same thing. They have a lot of dancers and not many singers. You can’t ask the players to change that; it is up to management.

You can’t ask Gagner to rattle someone’s cage and run people over on the forecheck. Sam is what Sam is. Yakupov is what he is. Nugent-Hopkins is what Nugent-Hopkins is. You can’t ask them to be different. You can ask them to try and do a few more things to round out their game, but they can’t be what they’re not. You can’t ask Boyd Gordon to anchor the powerplay, but you can ask him to win faceoffs and be physical.

If you put enough of those pieces together and they aren’t the same pieces, then you can build your identity.  

I've said essentially the same thing for the past few seasons. I understand it isn't as easy as saying, "we need to get this type of player," and then magically acquiring him. MacTavish did acquire three players this past summer who add a different dimension to the Oilers in Perron, Gordon and Ference, but MacTavish will need to add at least another five or six before the make over is complete.

 The other glaring weakness is the blueline. Ferraro said this about their D corps. 

You would like to have a couple big physical guys, because there are not enough guys who make you stay in the battle. They don’t separate opposing players from the puck. There are too many second plays that hang around on the forecheck. 

You have to define what you are. They have a bunch of tweeners on the blueline. You can have one or two of them, but you can’t have five of them. Without question that is their biggest area of concern moving forward, and the way they are going to have to correct that is to make a pecking order amongst the forwards.

They have to figure out which ones stay and which ones are lower down, and if they are lower down that doesn’t mean someone else doesn’t want them, and wouldn’t drool over them, because they probably have a part you want. But you have to step off the curb and say, “I’m going to move one of these highly skilled forwards.

And if the highly skilled forward scores 35 goals somewhere else, but I get a solid stay-at-home D-man who scores 15 points, and that is what we need, then I don’t care that the other guy gets 35, because I just put a piece in the puzzle that makes us a better team.

Again, I completely agree with Ferraro. I've written many articles stating that eventually MacTavish will need to make a tough decision and move a few of his skilled forwards. Not because they aren't good, but because he has too many of the same style of forwards.

 When you watch tonight's game, watch closely at how much harder the Oilers forwards need to work to sustain a cycle. They have to pay a price to keep in the Kings zone. Then compare that to how easy it is for the Kings to maintain possession in the Oilers zone.

The Oilers do make some bad decisions with the puck in their own zone, but often they are working extremely hard, but the reality is that often they are physically overmatched by opposing forwards.

LINEUP...

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Smyth-Gordon-Hemsky
Jones-Arcobello-Gazdic

Ference-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Belov-Larsen

Bryzgalov

Hemsky returns to the lineup after Eakins decided Hemsky needed a game off to rest his sore ribs. Hemsky and Regehr will likely renew their rivalry. Hemsky never shied away during their battles when Regehr was in Calgary, and I doubt he will tonight.

The more I watch Arcobello the more I like every aspect of his game. He sees the ice very well, makes smart decisions with the puck, is solid defensively, he is always in the battle and he plays physical.

Edmonton is 6-3-2- in their last 11 visits to LA...

WHAT WILL WE SEE...

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers play a competitive game but lose 3-2 in OT.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Jarret Stoll scores for the Kings. Former Oilers always find ways to light the lamp against the Blue and Orange.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: After getting hit hard five or six times by Ben Lovejoy in Anaheim, Taylor Hall decides to initiate contact rather than recieve it, and he delivers are levels Martinez early in the first period. This sets the tone for a surprisingly physical game. When Hall returns to the bench, the camera show Arcobello congratulating him on a big hit, and Hall says to Arcobello, "You can't be the only forward who hits; we need to help you out."

DAY 13...MONTH OF GIVING...

Thank you to Kyle, Sammy's Restaurant and Victor for bidding on our packages yesterday, and to Etelligent Solutions and Crystal Glass for donating them.

Today's package includes:

A CHEF's dinner courtesy of Von's Steakhouse and Oyster Bar. It will include all your beverages as well.

You and three friends will dine with Eskimos GM Ed Hervey, quarterback Mike Reilly  and Eskimos Wall of Honour inductee, current head coach of the U of A Golden Bears and outstanding story teller Chris Morris. I'll also be there, but mainly to fill up your wine glasses.

You can bid by calling 780.444.1260 or 1.800.243.1945 between 2-6 p.m. today.

Thanks in advance. All proceeds go to the Christmas Bureau.

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR 

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Spydyr
December 17 2013, 01:06PM
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OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Alcohol will be drunk by the Oiler faithful tonight.

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#2 NsxZero
December 17 2013, 01:07PM
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Ferraro is just another person echoing what we already know. The question is just how and how well MacT solves the issue.

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#3 Dman
December 17 2013, 01:07PM
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I am curious as to why you are so hung up on provind the fact that LA is a larger team than us. "Edmonton is 6-3-2- in their last 11 visits to LA..." so does that record really indicate size wins games?

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#4 kawi460
December 17 2013, 01:12PM
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I know Joesnuu hasn't played that great. But I wouldn't mind having a bigger body in the line up against the kings.

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#5 A-Mc
December 17 2013, 01:13PM
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Seriously, They better re-sign Arcobello because this kid deserves to play in the NHL ahead of some other guys.

I agree with the 3-2 OT loss.. Even though we lost vs Boston and Anaheim, they were EXCELLENT games. If only the Oilers played that well every game - they'd certainly be near .500 hockey!

#GOilers

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#6 **
December 17 2013, 01:13PM
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The size comparison gets worse when you only count the top six forwards. By the way, what's with sitting Joenssu, your biggest forward, against the biggest team in the division?.

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#7 The Beaker
December 17 2013, 01:14PM
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@Dman

Its not just size as Gregor said its also experience and willingness to compete "play big". And just because the Oil may have teams number it doesn't mean that team is actually worse than the Oilers.

Unless of course you're being sarcastic.

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#8 Dman
December 17 2013, 01:17PM
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The Beaker wrote:

Its not just size as Gregor said its also experience and willingness to compete "play big". And just because the Oil may have teams number it doesn't mean that team is actually worse than the Oilers.

Unless of course you're being sarcastic.

I agree they are small and I don't think you can argue otherwise. It's just that their record in LA (6-3-1) for such a small team is pretty good.

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#9 vetinari
December 17 2013, 01:17PM
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Just a quick question-- Ferraro ever think about becoming an assistant GM or assistant coach because he's usually "bang on" with his assessments?...

GDP: Kings 4 Oilers 2

OGDP: One Kings' goal will be scored off a "failed toe drag turnover" or "blind pass to the blueline, odd man rush back".

NSOGDP: During a scrum in front of his net during the third, Bryzer gets tired of Kings falling all over him and takes matters into his own hands, diving into a group Kings and swinging like a lumberjack...

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#10 **
December 17 2013, 01:19PM
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5-0 Kings. Book it.

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#11 Zarny
December 17 2013, 01:23PM
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Yes.

On all accounts.

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#12 Matt
December 17 2013, 01:23PM
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At least this chart gives a good reason to get rid of Ference.

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#13 VK63
December 17 2013, 01:25PM
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@vetinari

Ray is way too moody and sarcastic to be in a people handling position.

He IS however good at what he is doing now.

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#14 VK63
December 17 2013, 01:26PM
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Gregor what this piece needs is a #gritchart :)

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#15 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
December 17 2013, 01:26PM
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You may as well watch a televised prison rape tonight, if you plan on watching this game. Like a good prison b*tch, the Oilers are gonna get man-handled and not do a thing about it.

Also, nice to see the toughest guy on our team happens to be our smallest defenseman. Goes to show that it has as much to do with attitude as it does with size.

#HereComeThePrisonB*tches

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#16 Zamboni Driver
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vetinari wrote:

Just a quick question-- Ferraro ever think about becoming an assistant GM or assistant coach because he's usually "bang on" with his assessments?...

GDP: Kings 4 Oilers 2

OGDP: One Kings' goal will be scored off a "failed toe drag turnover" or "blind pass to the blueline, odd man rush back".

NSOGDP: During a scrum in front of his net during the third, Bryzer gets tired of Kings falling all over him and takes matters into his own hands, diving into a group Kings and swinging like a lumberjack...

Ferraro is about to be paid more money than he made as a player by Rogers (or at least offered, and I actually hope that he jumps ship).

He is not going to end up standing next to, like, Kelly Buchberger, with an ear piece in his ear "paying his dues".

He's, by far, the best at what he does.

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#17 Smokey
December 17 2013, 01:32PM
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Arco shafted again.

Gagner and Yakupov is a bad combo.

Obviously a goal by Gagner means he's back and will get a push even though twice as many our going into our net. Frankly I think your top three centers are RNH, Gordon, Arco. Play the hell outta of your two way players. Gagner should play 10 mins tops till he learned defensive responsibility.

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#18 Zarny
December 17 2013, 01:32PM
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Dman wrote:

I am curious as to why you are so hung up on provind the fact that LA is a larger team than us. "Edmonton is 6-3-2- in their last 11 visits to LA..." so does that record really indicate size wins games?

No. Size doesn't win games; outscoring your opponent does.

And in the playoffs when you have to win four 7 game series against different teams you have to be able to score different types of goals.

The Stanley Cup winners since the previous lockout are: Chi, LA, Bos, Chi, Pit, Det, Anh and Car.

Everyone of those teams scores in multiple ways.

The Oilers can only score 1 way.

If you really need further proof...look at the standings. 28th place. Nuff said.

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#19 Zamboni Driver
December 17 2013, 01:33PM
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Totally agree with your assessment Jason...on top of all that you mentioned, a LOT of the posted Oilers numbers are along the lines of my basketball line up back in the day. I was 6'2" (I am 5'10").

Those interested (and actually those telling me the other day how 'big' Gagner is) - Google picture search 'Gagner Eakins Ference'. Enjoy that.

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#20 S cottV
December 17 2013, 01:44PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Totally agree with your assessment Jason...on top of all that you mentioned, a LOT of the posted Oilers numbers are along the lines of my basketball line up back in the day. I was 6'2" (I am 5'10").

Those interested (and actually those telling me the other day how 'big' Gagner is) - Google picture search 'Gagner Eakins Ference'. Enjoy that.

Ha Ha - thats enough to intimidate the hell out of one of those Kings. Bet it's on their bulletin board....

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#21 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
December 17 2013, 01:45PM
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Why is Ryan Jones in the NHL??

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#22 Release the Hounds
December 17 2013, 01:54PM
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If the Oilers lose by less than 5 goals and come out without any serious injuries, I will consider this a positive. And, the Gazman must break Dustin Brown's face!

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#23 Fresh Mess
December 17 2013, 02:04PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Ferraro is about to be paid more money than he made as a player by Rogers (or at least offered, and I actually hope that he jumps ship).

He is not going to end up standing next to, like, Kelly Buchberger, with an ear piece in his ear "paying his dues".

He's, by far, the best at what he does.

I agree with your sentiment, but your first sentence is a massive overstatement.

"Ferraro is about to be paid more money than he made as a player" ---Not quite. Think three or four hundred large. Maybe five if they get really nuts.

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#24 Dman
December 17 2013, 02:08PM
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Zarny wrote:

No. Size doesn't win games; outscoring your opponent does.

And in the playoffs when you have to win four 7 game series against different teams you have to be able to score different types of goals.

The Stanley Cup winners since the previous lockout are: Chi, LA, Bos, Chi, Pit, Det, Anh and Car.

Everyone of those teams scores in multiple ways.

The Oilers can only score 1 way.

If you really need further proof...look at the standings. 28th place. Nuff said.

I don't think their problem is scoring goals. Their inability to prevent the other team from scoring on them is of major concern. If you need further proof look at their 93-120 GF-GA.

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#25 Oilerz4life
December 17 2013, 02:08PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Totally agree with your assessment Jason...on top of all that you mentioned, a LOT of the posted Oilers numbers are along the lines of my basketball line up back in the day. I was 6'2" (I am 5'10").

Those interested (and actually those telling me the other day how 'big' Gagner is) - Google picture search 'Gagner Eakins Ference'. Enjoy that.

lol good one. Oiler Hobbitses

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#26 HardBoiledOil
December 17 2013, 02:13PM
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it's funny to hear Gregor talk about how light this team really is collectively, and how the blueline lacks the aggression needed to shut down the good teams....if you surf the 'net and go to many Oiler sites, you'd swear the Oilers don't need to get bigger or heavier or tougher and more physical....it's all in the head.....we'd be fine if we just play a sound, defensive game. big guys like Gazdik and Joensuu? who needs them? we don't need a fighter to send a message, we just need to play a sound defensive game and everything will be alright....

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#27 Zarny
December 17 2013, 02:33PM
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Dman wrote:

I don't think their problem is scoring goals. Their inability to prevent the other team from scoring on them is of major concern. If you need further proof look at their 93-120 GF-GA.

There is no doubt preventing the other team from scoring is a major problem for the Oilers.

That said, so is scoring goals in different ways.

The Oilers are feast or famine on the score sheet because all of their top 6 F get the exact same type of chance and score the exact same type of goals.

When a team let's the Oilers skate and use their speed they pile it on like against Col (8-2).

But when it's a tight checking, physical game the Oilers are scr*wed. None of the top 6 F can score dirty goals. They are all paper weights and easy to knock off the puck.

If the Oilers aren't getting fast break-outs and odd man rushes they literally have no way to win a game.

That will simply never win 16 games in the playoffs.

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#28 admiralmark
December 17 2013, 02:34PM
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Great Eakins moved Gagner back to the 2nd line. Where he can suck again. What happened to wiping the slate clean and earning your spot? Arco should be in the 2C spot. And Gagner should be 3C or 4C or better yet on a wing... Actually the best would be traded.

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#29 Rama Lama
December 17 2013, 02:36PM
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Much debated topic ......we are told by Stauffer that management knows they need to get bigger, but those deals take time.

My question Gregor is why would Mac T announce they are willing to trade their 2014 draft pick, if needed. Exactly what purpose will that serve with 6 months left for the 2014 draft? Which team will trade something when they do not know what they are getting back in return?

I for one am against trading number first found draft pick........no team seems to get a positive return, or at least one that changes the team so drastically. Getting top player as UFA's does not seem to work either ( just ask Toronto with Clarkson or NYR with Richards) and usually this turns into and albatross type contract.

The only solution is waiting for trade deadline, and hope to find some desperate.......nothing will come soon and we all know that. If we can find another Perron well that is great but I for one do not see any impact players coming here.

Our re-build needs a rebuild and until we start focusing on player development in the AHL nothing will change long term.

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#30 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 17 2013, 02:37PM
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The old saying. If you can't beat em on the ice you better be able to beat them in the Alley or your in serious trouble in the NHL. still holds true.

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#31 French Toast Mafia
December 17 2013, 02:44PM
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Does anyone else see that on a regular basis Acro has been better than Gagner.

Isn't afraid to hit, wins face-offs, can PK, competes hard, has some offence, and seems to show up pretty much every night.

I have never been on the anti-gagner train but he has a fairly large price tag and consistently gets worked by bigger and better centers.

Not saying Acrobello should be the second line center instead of Gagner. But why not move that Gagner contract out when you have almost the exact same player at a much lower cap hit who can actually play center if you need him to...

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#32 Zamboni Driver
December 17 2013, 02:46PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

I agree with your sentiment, but your first sentence is a massive overstatement.

"Ferraro is about to be paid more money than he made as a player" ---Not quite. Think three or four hundred large. Maybe five if they get really nuts.

I dunno - this is the era where TV pays millions of dollars for a song (then barely even uses that song), I think Ray is in for a major payday.

He hasn't played since the 90s so wouldn't have made the obscene dollars of today.

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#33 Zarny
December 17 2013, 03:04PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Much debated topic ......we are told by Stauffer that management knows they need to get bigger, but those deals take time.

My question Gregor is why would Mac T announce they are willing to trade their 2014 draft pick, if needed. Exactly what purpose will that serve with 6 months left for the 2014 draft? Which team will trade something when they do not know what they are getting back in return?

I for one am against trading number first found draft pick........no team seems to get a positive return, or at least one that changes the team so drastically. Getting top player as UFA's does not seem to work either ( just ask Toronto with Clarkson or NYR with Richards) and usually this turns into and albatross type contract.

The only solution is waiting for trade deadline, and hope to find some desperate.......nothing will come soon and we all know that. If we can find another Perron well that is great but I for one do not see any impact players coming here.

Our re-build needs a rebuild and until we start focusing on player development in the AHL nothing will change long term.

Last year the Devils traded the 9th overall pick for Cory Schneider. Col traded their 1st round pick for Varlamov. The Oilers could use a G as good as either.

StL traded their 1st round pick for Bouwmeester. The Oilers could use a D that good too.

Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Yak and Schultz average 130 NHL games experience. Players with more than 200 games experience are the exception on the roster. The last thing the Oilers need is another 18 y/o walking into the dressing room that won't be ready to compete for 3-4 years.

Of course the return has to be the right; but outside a top 3 pick the odds of a 1st round pick even making the NHL is 50/50 at best. Many years it's lower than that.

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#34 Harry
December 17 2013, 03:05PM
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C'mon man Oilers are a flag football team

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#35 Felix
December 17 2013, 03:09PM
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Building a team for 8 years and Oilers brain trust still does not understand you need size in the top 6.

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#36 G-Unit
December 17 2013, 03:15PM
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vetinari wrote:

Just a quick question-- Ferraro ever think about becoming an assistant GM or assistant coach because he's usually "bang on" with his assessments?...

GDP: Kings 4 Oilers 2

OGDP: One Kings' goal will be scored off a "failed toe drag turnover" or "blind pass to the blueline, odd man rush back".

NSOGDP: During a scrum in front of his net during the third, Bryzer gets tired of Kings falling all over him and takes matters into his own hands, diving into a group Kings and swinging like a lumberjack...

Ferraro never played in Edmonton, so don't expect him to be considered here in any capacity.

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#37 Rama Lama
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@Zarny

Man you are a downer.........do you expect given our desperate situation, any team will give us something for our bevy of Hobbits.

The reason there are no trades is because everyone in the NHL is trying to fleece us......I do not like our chances of acquiring an impact player during the season.

I think we stand a good chance of doing a trade in the off-season and would it not be nice to have a player in your hand ( using our draft choices) to close out a deal? Say a Eakblad or Sam Rinehart??

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#38 G-Unit
December 17 2013, 03:19PM
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The push for big players is great, but remember that the Flyers are a very big team.

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#39 tileguy
December 17 2013, 03:29PM
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Thank you Jason for calling our klowe and the crappy job he has done running (into the ground)this franchise.

"It is unfair to compare the Oilers to a team that won the Cup18 months ago, but you can see how to properly construct a Cup contender"

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#40 Mac962
December 17 2013, 03:40PM
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Someone just for the he-- of it should do a height and weight comparison between the Oil Kings and the Oilers. Of course the Oilers will come in bigger / heavier but by exactly how much ? I would bet its not a huge difference. On average.

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#41 S cottV
December 17 2013, 03:41PM
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Need to move Gagner and two of our small high skill wingers out.

Give up some draft picks.

Acquire - warrior 2c, large skill first pairing d man, large mid skill but legit 2nd pairing d man.

If cant work a trade for all the above will have to find a piece or two in the UFA market.

Giving up 3 small players and replacing with 3 large players in the right critical spots, probably makes the Oiler big enough, at least to build from - if necessary. In the meantime, make it more of a priority in the draft.

I realize easier said than done, but if MacT cannot put it together - this team will not make the playoffs next year and maybe even the year after that. Who are they going to bump out of a spot? Anaheim, SJ, Anaheim, Vcr?

The farm - just doesnt have what is needed to make an impact in a hurry.

So the Oilers and in turn Oiler fans either have to accept that it will take maybe 3 more years - maybe more to work from within, to make the right moves with what is on hand and what will be drafted, to maybe make the playoffs.

Or - the Oilers have to give up lots to make a move toward the playoffs sooner.

With very few exceptions, anyone on the current roster would need to be considered in possible trades, along with depth farm hands and future first and second round draft picks, to get what is needed.

If Bryz and or Dubie do not work out - a top goaltender can be added to the list.

What good are small high skill wingers, without depth / size - in the middle and in the top 2 d rotations? Or - without a top goaltender?

Without the above, you simply cannot play enough on the preferred side of centre ice, to make use of them, because that is where most of the push, up and out and into the offensive end comes from.

My preference is for MacT to try and make good on some bold moves, if at all possible.

I really think that it is just time to make a move, not to mention - we are all going to loose our minds on this site, after 10 years and counting - without a playoff game.

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#42 Benny Botts
December 17 2013, 03:45PM
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Felix wrote:

Building a team for 8 years and Oilers brain trust still does not understand you need size in the top 6.

How'd Cole and penner look in our top 6......? It's not just about size, its about compete level, will to win, and heart. Till this team get's some, it is always going to be the same ol' story.

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#43 David S
December 17 2013, 03:47PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Totally agree with your assessment Jason...on top of all that you mentioned, a LOT of the posted Oilers numbers are along the lines of my basketball line up back in the day. I was 6'2" (I am 5'10").

Those interested (and actually those telling me the other day how 'big' Gagner is) - Google picture search 'Gagner Eakins Ference'. Enjoy that.

http://oilersnation.com/uploads/Image/gagnerC142.jpg

Also, Eakins looks like he'd be wise to finish his plate a bit more often. #HumanBeanpole

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#44 David S
December 17 2013, 03:48PM
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admiralmark wrote:

Great Eakins moved Gagner back to the 2nd line. Where he can suck again. What happened to wiping the slate clean and earning your spot? Arco should be in the 2C spot. And Gagner should be 3C or 4C or better yet on a wing... Actually the best would be traded.

If by "suck again" do you mean scoring a beauty goal and being over 80% on the dot like he was in Anaheim?

I'll take that "suck" any day.

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#45 Mac962
December 17 2013, 03:49PM
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So the average combined weight of the current OIL KINGS ROSTER is 187.9 LBS, Approx 9 LBS Less than the Oilers. And less of a difference between the Oil Kings and Oilers than there is between the Oilers and the Kings. We are on average a NHL Team slightly bigger than a bunch of kids on a WHL team.

That has to say something. Useless info ? perhaps , but interesting.

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#46 Zamboni Driver
December 17 2013, 03:52PM
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David S wrote:

http://oilersnation.com/uploads/Image/gagnerC142.jpg

Also, Eakins looks like he'd be wise to finish his plate a bit more often. #HumanBeanpole

Completely hilarious.

THAT guy would totally have kicked Kassian's @ss - sure, he's shorter than that chick, but her Dad is HULK HOGAN, so..you know.

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#47 Ducey
December 17 2013, 03:52PM
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Does anyone else see that on a regular basis Acro has been better than Gagner.

Isn't afraid to hit, wins face-offs, can PK, competes hard, has some offence, and seems to show up pretty much every night.

I have never been on the anti-gagner train but he has a fairly large price tag and consistently gets worked by bigger and better centers.

Not saying Acrobello should be the second line center instead of Gagner. But why not move that Gagner contract out when you have almost the exact same player at a much lower cap hit who can actually play center if you need him to...

If we take out Gagner's first seven games after his return, he has 11 pts in 15 games.

That equals 60 pts over 82 games.

Arco's current pace would work out to 43 pts over 82.

There has to some adjustment for minutes and teammates but Gagner is a year younger and is the better player.

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#48 David S
December 17 2013, 03:53PM
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Bloo bloo bloo!!!!

Gagner suuuuucks! Trade him for [insert NHL 14 trade here]! Trade Hemsky! Put Arco on the first line! More facepunchers! Eberle Sucks! Trade Schultz! Fire Eakins! Fire MacT! Fire Lowe! Grit! Intensity! GRITENSITY!!! FIRE THEM ALL!!! #FireThemAll

Did I miss anything? *Tightens noose*

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#49 David S
December 17 2013, 03:53PM
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Ducey wrote:

If we take out Gagner's first seven games after his return, he has 11 pts in 15 games.

That equals 60 pts over 82 games.

Arco's current pace would work out to 43 pts over 82.

There has to some adjustment for minutes and teammates but Gagner is a year younger and is the better player.

^ THIS.

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#50 OilClog
December 17 2013, 04:06PM
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Ducey wrote:

If we take out Gagner's first seven games after his return, he has 11 pts in 15 games.

That equals 60 pts over 82 games.

Arco's current pace would work out to 43 pts over 82.

There has to some adjustment for minutes and teammates but Gagner is a year younger and is the better player.

Better offensive player, but where is the rest of it? Arco is the better 200ft player.

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