GDB 36.0: A KING SIZED CHALLENGE

Jason Gregor
December 17 2013 01:00PM

 

Name  Height  Weight    Name  Height  Weight 
Jeff Carter    6' 4"  212   Jesse Joensuu    6' 4"  210
Dwight King    6' 4"  230   Luke Gazdic    6' 3"  240
Anze Kopitar  6' 3"  224   Ryan Smyth    6' 2"  191
Jordan Nolan    6' 3"  221   Taylor Hall    6' 1"  201
Kyle Clifford    6' 2"  211   Ryan Jones    6' 1"  208
Trevor Lewis    6' 1"  198   Ryan Nugent-Hopkins    6' 1"  180
Jarret Stoll    6' 1"  213   Boyd Gordon    6' 0"  202
Tyler Toffoli    6' 1"  196   Ales Hemsky    6' 0"  185
Justin Williams    6' 1"  189   David Perron    6' 0"  198
Dustin Brown   6' 0"  207   Mark Arcobello    5' 8"  166
Daniel Carcillo    6' 0"  200   Jordan Eberle    5' 11"  180
Matt Frattin    6' 0"  205   Sam Gagner    5' 11"  202
Mike Richards   5' 11"  196   Nail Yakupov    5' 11"  186
             
Name  Height  Weight    Name  Height  Weight 
Matt Greene  6' 3"  234   Anton Belov    6' 4"  218
Willie Mitchell    6' 3"  210   Jeff Petry    6' 3"  195
Jake Muzzin    6' 3"  214   Corey Potter 6' 3" 203
Robyn Regehr    6' 3"  222   Justin Schultz    6' 2"  188
Drew Doughty    6' 1"  213   Nick Schultz    6' 1"  203
Alec Martinez    6' 1"  209   Philip Larsen 6' 0"  182
Slava Voynov    6' 0"  194   Andrew Ference 5' 11" 187

When you compare the two rosters it is easy to see where the Oilers fall short. They aren't as experienced as the Kings, and they severely lack the size and overall heaviness of the Kings. Dustin Brown is one of the smaller Kings forwards in stature, but he plays big, and he's one of the best hitters in the game. Same as Mike Richards.

The Kings have a lot of size, but even their "smaller" players play a physical style. The Oilers can't match the Kings' size or abrasiveness, so they need to play a fast-paced, up tempo style to try and defeat the Kings.

**Also for those who keep suggesting the Oilers are an average team in size because one article listed them at an average of 203 pounds. Don't believe everything you read. Add up the numbers above. The Oilers average weight is 196.2 pounds, while the Kings are 209.9. That is an average difference of almost 15 pounds a player. Stop suggesting the Oilers aren't small. They are, and not only are they small, very few of them play big. That isn't a knock, that is just who they are and management will need to adjust the roster accordingly moving forward. The Oilers blueline isn't heavy enough and collectively they lack the aggression needed to shut down a good team.***

It is unfair to compare the Oilers to a team that won the Cup18 months ago, but you can see how to properly construct a Cup contender, when you look at the make up of the Kings and see so many different style of players. The Kings win because they have many skilled players, but also because they have diversity throughout their lineup.

The major difference is the size and strength of the Kings blueline compared to the Oilers. How can the Oilers expect their D-men to break up a cycle when they are so slight. You can have one or two smaller D-men, but you can't have five of them and expect to compete and against heavy teams. The Oilers D-men will need to use significantly more energy just to try and compete with the larger Kings, especially when they are battling for position in front of the net and in the corner.

It is unrealistic for the Oilers management and coaches to expect their team to defeat the Kings. They Oilers worked hard against the Bruins and Ducks, but ultimately they couldn't wear them down. That theme is likely to repeat itself tonight.

BUILDING AN IDENTITY...

Yesterday, I wrote that the Oilers need to find an identity, preferably one that will lead to more victories, and that Craig MacTavish has his work cut out trying to forge said identity.

I asked TSN analyst Ray Ferraro his thoughts on the Oilers identity. 

Their identity is they want to play with the puck, and they will degenerate into one-on-one play if you shut them down. If you ask anyone around the league they will say they are highly skilled up front, not so much on the backend and their goaltending is iffy. 

They have too many of the same players. That is their identity and it isn’t a winning one.  The problem is, even if they play really well a lot of their guys are all doing the same thing. They have a lot of dancers and not many singers. You can’t ask the players to change that; it is up to management.

You can’t ask Gagner to rattle someone’s cage and run people over on the forecheck. Sam is what Sam is. Yakupov is what he is. Nugent-Hopkins is what Nugent-Hopkins is. You can’t ask them to be different. You can ask them to try and do a few more things to round out their game, but they can’t be what they’re not. You can’t ask Boyd Gordon to anchor the powerplay, but you can ask him to win faceoffs and be physical.

If you put enough of those pieces together and they aren’t the same pieces, then you can build your identity.  

I've said essentially the same thing for the past few seasons. I understand it isn't as easy as saying, "we need to get this type of player," and then magically acquiring him. MacTavish did acquire three players this past summer who add a different dimension to the Oilers in Perron, Gordon and Ference, but MacTavish will need to add at least another five or six before the make over is complete.

 The other glaring weakness is the blueline. Ferraro said this about their D corps. 

You would like to have a couple big physical guys, because there are not enough guys who make you stay in the battle. They don’t separate opposing players from the puck. There are too many second plays that hang around on the forecheck. 

You have to define what you are. They have a bunch of tweeners on the blueline. You can have one or two of them, but you can’t have five of them. Without question that is their biggest area of concern moving forward, and the way they are going to have to correct that is to make a pecking order amongst the forwards.

They have to figure out which ones stay and which ones are lower down, and if they are lower down that doesn’t mean someone else doesn’t want them, and wouldn’t drool over them, because they probably have a part you want. But you have to step off the curb and say, “I’m going to move one of these highly skilled forwards.

And if the highly skilled forward scores 35 goals somewhere else, but I get a solid stay-at-home D-man who scores 15 points, and that is what we need, then I don’t care that the other guy gets 35, because I just put a piece in the puzzle that makes us a better team.

Again, I completely agree with Ferraro. I've written many articles stating that eventually MacTavish will need to make a tough decision and move a few of his skilled forwards. Not because they aren't good, but because he has too many of the same style of forwards.

 When you watch tonight's game, watch closely at how much harder the Oilers forwards need to work to sustain a cycle. They have to pay a price to keep in the Kings zone. Then compare that to how easy it is for the Kings to maintain possession in the Oilers zone.

The Oilers do make some bad decisions with the puck in their own zone, but often they are working extremely hard, but the reality is that often they are physically overmatched by opposing forwards.

LINEUP...

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Smyth-Gordon-Hemsky
Jones-Arcobello-Gazdic

Ference-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Belov-Larsen

Bryzgalov

Hemsky returns to the lineup after Eakins decided Hemsky needed a game off to rest his sore ribs. Hemsky and Regehr will likely renew their rivalry. Hemsky never shied away during their battles when Regehr was in Calgary, and I doubt he will tonight.

The more I watch Arcobello the more I like every aspect of his game. He sees the ice very well, makes smart decisions with the puck, is solid defensively, he is always in the battle and he plays physical.

Edmonton is 6-3-2- in their last 11 visits to LA...

WHAT WILL WE SEE...

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers play a competitive game but lose 3-2 in OT.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Jarret Stoll scores for the Kings. Former Oilers always find ways to light the lamp against the Blue and Orange.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: After getting hit hard five or six times by Ben Lovejoy in Anaheim, Taylor Hall decides to initiate contact rather than recieve it, and he delivers are levels Martinez early in the first period. This sets the tone for a surprisingly physical game. When Hall returns to the bench, the camera show Arcobello congratulating him on a big hit, and Hall says to Arcobello, "You can't be the only forward who hits; we need to help you out."

DAY 13...MONTH OF GIVING...

Thank you to Kyle, Sammy's Restaurant and Victor for bidding on our packages yesterday, and to Etelligent Solutions and Crystal Glass for donating them.

Today's package includes:

A CHEF's dinner courtesy of Von's Steakhouse and Oyster Bar. It will include all your beverages as well.

You and three friends will dine with Eskimos GM Ed Hervey, quarterback Mike Reilly  and Eskimos Wall of Honour inductee, current head coach of the U of A Golden Bears and outstanding story teller Chris Morris. I'll also be there, but mainly to fill up your wine glasses.

You can bid by calling 780.444.1260 or 1.800.243.1945 between 2-6 p.m. today.

Thanks in advance. All proceeds go to the Christmas Bureau.

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR 

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Dman
December 17 2013, 01:07PM
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I am curious as to why you are so hung up on provind the fact that LA is a larger team than us. "Edmonton is 6-3-2- in their last 11 visits to LA..." so does that record really indicate size wins games?

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#2 Matt
December 17 2013, 01:23PM
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At least this chart gives a good reason to get rid of Ference.

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#3 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
December 17 2013, 01:26PM
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You may as well watch a televised prison rape tonight, if you plan on watching this game. Like a good prison b*tch, the Oilers are gonna get man-handled and not do a thing about it.

Also, nice to see the toughest guy on our team happens to be our smallest defenseman. Goes to show that it has as much to do with attitude as it does with size.

#HereComeThePrisonB*tches

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#4 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
December 17 2013, 01:45PM
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Why is Ryan Jones in the NHL??

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#5 David S
December 17 2013, 04:40PM
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Spydyr wrote:

I think the suck might be Gagner was -1.Yet again another minus game.He was also out of position on Penner's game winning goal.That kind of suck.

I thought games were won by scoring, i.e. "putting the puck in the opposition's net" rather than +/-. Sam contributed where it counted, on the scoreboard.

If Petry had been just a bit more aware he would have let Bryz see that Penner shot clean instead of trying to wimp block it with his stick. We would have had at least a point out of that game.

I know the "Gagner sucks" narrative is easy to jump on board with because, hey who doesn't like social gratification, right? But alot of times mobs are just dumb guys bunching together against the cold wind of reason.

Or he might actually suck. 50/50 really.

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#6 **
December 17 2013, 01:19PM
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5-0 Kings. Book it.

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#7 OilDieHard
December 17 2013, 02:13PM
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it's funny to hear Gregor talk about how light this team really is collectively, and how the blueline lacks the aggression needed to shut down the good teams....if you surf the 'net and go to many Oiler sites, you'd swear the Oilers don't need to get bigger or heavier or tougher and more physical....it's all in the head.....we'd be fine if we just play a sound, defensive game. big guys like Gazdik and Joensuu? who needs them? we don't need a fighter to send a message, we just need to play a sound defensive game and everything will be alright....

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#8 David S
December 17 2013, 03:53PM
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Ducey wrote:

If we take out Gagner's first seven games after his return, he has 11 pts in 15 games.

That equals 60 pts over 82 games.

Arco's current pace would work out to 43 pts over 82.

There has to some adjustment for minutes and teammates but Gagner is a year younger and is the better player.

^ THIS.

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#9 David S
December 17 2013, 03:48PM
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admiralmark wrote:

Great Eakins moved Gagner back to the 2nd line. Where he can suck again. What happened to wiping the slate clean and earning your spot? Arco should be in the 2C spot. And Gagner should be 3C or 4C or better yet on a wing... Actually the best would be traded.

If by "suck again" do you mean scoring a beauty goal and being over 80% on the dot like he was in Anaheim?

I'll take that "suck" any day.

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#10 Ducey
December 17 2013, 04:58PM
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OilClog wrote:

Better offensive player, but where is the rest of it? Arco is the better 200ft player.

Defense can be learned. Talent can't.

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#11 @Oilanderp
December 17 2013, 09:09PM
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I get that you don't like Gags but when 2 kings are at each post alone... it's not just his fault.

I feel bad for Bryz.... he let that goal in because he was trying to play the pass AND the shot at the same time. Where's the D?

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#12 Zamboni Driver
December 17 2013, 01:29PM
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vetinari wrote:

Just a quick question-- Ferraro ever think about becoming an assistant GM or assistant coach because he's usually "bang on" with his assessments?...

GDP: Kings 4 Oilers 2

OGDP: One Kings' goal will be scored off a "failed toe drag turnover" or "blind pass to the blueline, odd man rush back".

NSOGDP: During a scrum in front of his net during the third, Bryzer gets tired of Kings falling all over him and takes matters into his own hands, diving into a group Kings and swinging like a lumberjack...

Ferraro is about to be paid more money than he made as a player by Rogers (or at least offered, and I actually hope that he jumps ship).

He is not going to end up standing next to, like, Kelly Buchberger, with an ear piece in his ear "paying his dues".

He's, by far, the best at what he does.

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#13 admiralmark
December 17 2013, 02:34PM
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Great Eakins moved Gagner back to the 2nd line. Where he can suck again. What happened to wiping the slate clean and earning your spot? Arco should be in the 2C spot. And Gagner should be 3C or 4C or better yet on a wing... Actually the best would be traded.

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#14 David S
December 17 2013, 03:53PM
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Bloo bloo bloo!!!!

Gagner suuuuucks! Trade him for [insert NHL 14 trade here]! Trade Hemsky! Put Arco on the first line! More facepunchers! Eberle Sucks! Trade Schultz! Fire Eakins! Fire MacT! Fire Lowe! Grit! Intensity! GRITENSITY!!! FIRE THEM ALL!!! #FireThemAll

Did I miss anything? *Tightens noose*

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#15 VK63
December 17 2013, 01:25PM
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@vetinari

Ray is way too moody and sarcastic to be in a people handling position.

He IS however good at what he is doing now.

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#16 Ducey
December 17 2013, 03:52PM
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French Toast Mafia wrote:

Does anyone else see that on a regular basis Acro has been better than Gagner.

Isn't afraid to hit, wins face-offs, can PK, competes hard, has some offence, and seems to show up pretty much every night.

I have never been on the anti-gagner train but he has a fairly large price tag and consistently gets worked by bigger and better centers.

Not saying Acrobello should be the second line center instead of Gagner. But why not move that Gagner contract out when you have almost the exact same player at a much lower cap hit who can actually play center if you need him to...

If we take out Gagner's first seven games after his return, he has 11 pts in 15 games.

That equals 60 pts over 82 games.

Arco's current pace would work out to 43 pts over 82.

There has to some adjustment for minutes and teammates but Gagner is a year younger and is the better player.

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#17 Rama Lama
December 17 2013, 02:36PM
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Much debated topic ......we are told by Stauffer that management knows they need to get bigger, but those deals take time.

My question Gregor is why would Mac T announce they are willing to trade their 2014 draft pick, if needed. Exactly what purpose will that serve with 6 months left for the 2014 draft? Which team will trade something when they do not know what they are getting back in return?

I for one am against trading number first found draft pick........no team seems to get a positive return, or at least one that changes the team so drastically. Getting top player as UFA's does not seem to work either ( just ask Toronto with Clarkson or NYR with Richards) and usually this turns into and albatross type contract.

The only solution is waiting for trade deadline, and hope to find some desperate.......nothing will come soon and we all know that. If we can find another Perron well that is great but I for one do not see any impact players coming here.

Our re-build needs a rebuild and until we start focusing on player development in the AHL nothing will change long term.

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#18 tileguy
December 17 2013, 03:29PM
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Thank you Jason for calling our klowe and the crappy job he has done running (into the ground)this franchise.

"It is unfair to compare the Oilers to a team that won the Cup18 months ago, but you can see how to properly construct a Cup contender"

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#19 S cottV
December 17 2013, 03:41PM
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Need to move Gagner and two of our small high skill wingers out.

Give up some draft picks.

Acquire - warrior 2c, large skill first pairing d man, large mid skill but legit 2nd pairing d man.

If cant work a trade for all the above will have to find a piece or two in the UFA market.

Giving up 3 small players and replacing with 3 large players in the right critical spots, probably makes the Oiler big enough, at least to build from - if necessary. In the meantime, make it more of a priority in the draft.

I realize easier said than done, but if MacT cannot put it together - this team will not make the playoffs next year and maybe even the year after that. Who are they going to bump out of a spot? Anaheim, SJ, Anaheim, Vcr?

The farm - just doesnt have what is needed to make an impact in a hurry.

So the Oilers and in turn Oiler fans either have to accept that it will take maybe 3 more years - maybe more to work from within, to make the right moves with what is on hand and what will be drafted, to maybe make the playoffs.

Or - the Oilers have to give up lots to make a move toward the playoffs sooner.

With very few exceptions, anyone on the current roster would need to be considered in possible trades, along with depth farm hands and future first and second round draft picks, to get what is needed.

If Bryz and or Dubie do not work out - a top goaltender can be added to the list.

What good are small high skill wingers, without depth / size - in the middle and in the top 2 d rotations? Or - without a top goaltender?

Without the above, you simply cannot play enough on the preferred side of centre ice, to make use of them, because that is where most of the push, up and out and into the offensive end comes from.

My preference is for MacT to try and make good on some bold moves, if at all possible.

I really think that it is just time to make a move, not to mention - we are all going to loose our minds on this site, after 10 years and counting - without a playoff game.

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#20 David S
December 17 2013, 03:47PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Totally agree with your assessment Jason...on top of all that you mentioned, a LOT of the posted Oilers numbers are along the lines of my basketball line up back in the day. I was 6'2" (I am 5'10").

Those interested (and actually those telling me the other day how 'big' Gagner is) - Google picture search 'Gagner Eakins Ference'. Enjoy that.

http://oilersnation.com/uploads/Image/gagnerC142.jpg

Also, Eakins looks like he'd be wise to finish his plate a bit more often. #HumanBeanpole

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#21 Zamboni Driver
December 17 2013, 04:37PM
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Usually I have a thick skin about 'Trashes' (can't think of anything smart to say, hit a button!)

But I'm stunned at trashes for my statement that Ferraro is the best.

Lotsa folks strong in the Louie Debrusk camp, I guess?

There's just no way for Dubnyk to have seen that puck wristed in gently from past the blueline, Kevin. It fluttered too! IT FLUTTERED!

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#22 vetinari
December 17 2013, 01:17PM
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Just a quick question-- Ferraro ever think about becoming an assistant GM or assistant coach because he's usually "bang on" with his assessments?...

GDP: Kings 4 Oilers 2

OGDP: One Kings' goal will be scored off a "failed toe drag turnover" or "blind pass to the blueline, odd man rush back".

NSOGDP: During a scrum in front of his net during the third, Bryzer gets tired of Kings falling all over him and takes matters into his own hands, diving into a group Kings and swinging like a lumberjack...

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#23 Smokey
December 17 2013, 01:32PM
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Arco shafted again.

Gagner and Yakupov is a bad combo.

Obviously a goal by Gagner means he's back and will get a push even though twice as many our going into our net. Frankly I think your top three centers are RNH, Gordon, Arco. Play the hell outta of your two way players. Gagner should play 10 mins tops till he learned defensive responsibility.

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#24 Zarny
December 17 2013, 01:32PM
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Dman wrote:

I am curious as to why you are so hung up on provind the fact that LA is a larger team than us. "Edmonton is 6-3-2- in their last 11 visits to LA..." so does that record really indicate size wins games?

No. Size doesn't win games; outscoring your opponent does.

And in the playoffs when you have to win four 7 game series against different teams you have to be able to score different types of goals.

The Stanley Cup winners since the previous lockout are: Chi, LA, Bos, Chi, Pit, Det, Anh and Car.

Everyone of those teams scores in multiple ways.

The Oilers can only score 1 way.

If you really need further proof...look at the standings. 28th place. Nuff said.

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#25 Zamboni Driver
December 17 2013, 01:33PM
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Totally agree with your assessment Jason...on top of all that you mentioned, a LOT of the posted Oilers numbers are along the lines of my basketball line up back in the day. I was 6'2" (I am 5'10").

Those interested (and actually those telling me the other day how 'big' Gagner is) - Google picture search 'Gagner Eakins Ference'. Enjoy that.

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#26 S cottV
December 17 2013, 01:44PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Totally agree with your assessment Jason...on top of all that you mentioned, a LOT of the posted Oilers numbers are along the lines of my basketball line up back in the day. I was 6'2" (I am 5'10").

Those interested (and actually those telling me the other day how 'big' Gagner is) - Google picture search 'Gagner Eakins Ference'. Enjoy that.

Ha Ha - thats enough to intimidate the hell out of one of those Kings. Bet it's on their bulletin board....

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#27 mlcselli
December 17 2013, 04:46PM
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Gagner listed at 202 pounds and also on the 2nd line tonight? What a crock of crap. Someone needs to put down the pipe.

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#28 @Oilanderp
December 17 2013, 09:53PM
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cain wrote:

Sooo...that excuses HIS laziness and/or misunderstanding of his defensive responsibility on the play? A seven year veteran? Your defense of Gagner's performance on that play is that he was not the ONLY one who messed up on that play? Yep, you qualify as the next defensive coach for the team....right this way to excuseville...

My apologies. I had not realized that you are mentally delayed. I also apologize that due to your extreme hatred of everything right now, you cannot see that rather than defending Gagner, I am blaming him AND the other Oilers on the ice during that play. Two open Kings in front of the net is inexcusable.

Now I want you to apologize to me for causing me to waste more of my time typing this.

For further reference, I urge you to read what I originally wrote. This will be the last time I respond concerning this foolishness.

If it makes you feel better, here:

*breathes through mouth*

*drools*

*combs knuckle hair*

*slurs speech "FIRE SOMEBUUDY!"*

P.S. SIZE!!!

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#29 TDSM31
December 17 2013, 11:18PM
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TDSM31 wrote:

Gagner's NTC doesn't kick in until start of next season...so there's still hope.

....and I'd rather have nothing right now than Sam Gagner.

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#30 A-Mc
December 17 2013, 01:13PM
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Seriously, They better re-sign Arcobello because this kid deserves to play in the NHL ahead of some other guys.

I agree with the 3-2 OT loss.. Even though we lost vs Boston and Anaheim, they were EXCELLENT games. If only the Oilers played that well every game - they'd certainly be near .500 hockey!

#GOilers

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#31 **
December 17 2013, 01:13PM
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The size comparison gets worse when you only count the top six forwards. By the way, what's with sitting Joenssu, your biggest forward, against the biggest team in the division?.

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#32 VK63
December 17 2013, 01:26PM
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Gregor what this piece needs is a #gritchart :)

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#33 Release the Hounds
December 17 2013, 01:54PM
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If the Oilers lose by less than 5 goals and come out without any serious injuries, I will consider this a positive. And, the Gazman must break Dustin Brown's face!

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#34 Fresh Mess
December 17 2013, 02:04PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Ferraro is about to be paid more money than he made as a player by Rogers (or at least offered, and I actually hope that he jumps ship).

He is not going to end up standing next to, like, Kelly Buchberger, with an ear piece in his ear "paying his dues".

He's, by far, the best at what he does.

I agree with your sentiment, but your first sentence is a massive overstatement.

"Ferraro is about to be paid more money than he made as a player" ---Not quite. Think three or four hundred large. Maybe five if they get really nuts.

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#35 Oilerz4life
December 17 2013, 02:08PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Totally agree with your assessment Jason...on top of all that you mentioned, a LOT of the posted Oilers numbers are along the lines of my basketball line up back in the day. I was 6'2" (I am 5'10").

Those interested (and actually those telling me the other day how 'big' Gagner is) - Google picture search 'Gagner Eakins Ference'. Enjoy that.

lol good one. Oiler Hobbitses

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#36 French Toast Mafia
December 17 2013, 02:44PM
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Does anyone else see that on a regular basis Acro has been better than Gagner.

Isn't afraid to hit, wins face-offs, can PK, competes hard, has some offence, and seems to show up pretty much every night.

I have never been on the anti-gagner train but he has a fairly large price tag and consistently gets worked by bigger and better centers.

Not saying Acrobello should be the second line center instead of Gagner. But why not move that Gagner contract out when you have almost the exact same player at a much lower cap hit who can actually play center if you need him to...

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#37 Felix
December 17 2013, 03:09PM
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Building a team for 8 years and Oilers brain trust still does not understand you need size in the top 6.

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#38 G-Unit
December 17 2013, 03:15PM
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vetinari wrote:

Just a quick question-- Ferraro ever think about becoming an assistant GM or assistant coach because he's usually "bang on" with his assessments?...

GDP: Kings 4 Oilers 2

OGDP: One Kings' goal will be scored off a "failed toe drag turnover" or "blind pass to the blueline, odd man rush back".

NSOGDP: During a scrum in front of his net during the third, Bryzer gets tired of Kings falling all over him and takes matters into his own hands, diving into a group Kings and swinging like a lumberjack...

Ferraro never played in Edmonton, so don't expect him to be considered here in any capacity.

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#39 Rama Lama
December 17 2013, 03:19PM
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@Zarny

Man you are a downer.........do you expect given our desperate situation, any team will give us something for our bevy of Hobbits.

The reason there are no trades is because everyone in the NHL is trying to fleece us......I do not like our chances of acquiring an impact player during the season.

I think we stand a good chance of doing a trade in the off-season and would it not be nice to have a player in your hand ( using our draft choices) to close out a deal? Say a Eakblad or Sam Rinehart??

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#40 G-Unit
December 17 2013, 03:19PM
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The push for big players is great, but remember that the Flyers are a very big team.

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#41 Benny Botts
December 17 2013, 03:45PM
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Felix wrote:

Building a team for 8 years and Oilers brain trust still does not understand you need size in the top 6.

How'd Cole and penner look in our top 6......? It's not just about size, its about compete level, will to win, and heart. Till this team get's some, it is always going to be the same ol' story.

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#42 OilClog
December 17 2013, 04:06PM
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Ducey wrote:

If we take out Gagner's first seven games after his return, he has 11 pts in 15 games.

That equals 60 pts over 82 games.

Arco's current pace would work out to 43 pts over 82.

There has to some adjustment for minutes and teammates but Gagner is a year younger and is the better player.

Better offensive player, but where is the rest of it? Arco is the better 200ft player.

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#43 S cottV
December 17 2013, 04:23PM
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Dont get all the apparent support for Yak.

I know - dynamic skill winger and the whole bit.

But - really he is one dimensional and not really the type of player you need as a cornerstone to a contender.

He pretends to be physical but is really pretty good at getting out of the way, of any trains that might be coming through.

Nice to have if the cornerstones are in place and you can afford it.

He may fetch the biggest return for what we really need, so - I would be very surprised if any bold moves made by MacT, dont include him.

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#44 Rama Lama
December 17 2013, 05:55PM
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@Jason Gregor

Damn you Gregor......you always make too much sense! Ok I will give Mac T a break on this one........but Eakins is still on my hit list!

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#45 @Oilanderp
December 17 2013, 09:34PM
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cain wrote:

You ARE kidding right? 1 of the open Kings was his man!!!! Please tell me you're kidding,otherwise you may qualify as our next defensive coach...

You WERE kidding Right?

Wow. Read what I wrote. It isn't "JUST" his fault. As in: there's more than Gagner at fault.

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#46 Soccer Steve
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It must be obvious to us all now that the Oil powers-that-be certainly see things much different than we do.

Gagner isn't going anywhere. MacT would undermine himself by doing anything other than trading him (which they won't/can't because of the NTC). They won't buy him out because they'd lose him for nothing. The won't send him to OKC because they risk losing him for nothing.

Shot in the foot.

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#47 Alsker
December 17 2013, 11:18PM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

It must be obvious to us all now that the Oil powers-that-be certainly see things much different than we do.

Gagner isn't going anywhere. MacT would undermine himself by doing anything other than trading him (which they won't/can't because of the NTC). They won't buy him out because they'd lose him for nothing. The won't send him to OKC because they risk losing him for nothing.

Shot in the foot.

Roster spot IS something, 4.8mil/yr savings IS something, one less defensive liability IS something!!!!!

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#48 75ers
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@TDSM31

Lander is a big upgrade on Ganger at this point. Bench Gagner 10-15 games and give Lander another real good look.

Call up some D from OKC and see what we got there as well. Can't hurt to give away some of these guys if they get picked up on waivers, the season is a bust anyway.

Both the Schultz boys stink it up almost every night, Belov and Larsen are learning but they could do that in the AHL as well. Let's see what we got down there in 10 - 15 games of NHL before the trade deadline is here and you have no info to go on.

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#49 Brian
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Judge Eakins' ability to coach an NHL team when he gets one to coach. And you don't know what orders he is getting from KLost via MacT, or from MacT directly. If Eakins can't pick his own assistants you think he can make all other decisions?

Also, i think Gagner is just not a very smart guy. Hasn't learned a thing in the years he has been here .

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#50 Dman
December 17 2013, 01:17PM
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The Beaker wrote:

Its not just size as Gregor said its also experience and willingness to compete "play big". And just because the Oil may have teams number it doesn't mean that team is actually worse than the Oilers.

Unless of course you're being sarcastic.

I agree they are small and I don't think you can argue otherwise. It's just that their record in LA (6-3-1) for such a small team is pretty good.

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