GDB 37.0: ASK SAKIC?

Jason Gregor
December 19 2013 12:29PM

As the Oilers get set to face the Colorado Avalanche trying to end a four game losing streak, Taylor Hall and company can take solace in knowing that some other young stars endured many years of losing, before tasting the sweet nectar of victory.

They should ask Joe Sakic, the Avalanche's Executive Vice President of Hockey Operations, about losing. He lost way more than these kids have early in his career, and it didn't break him, and he didn't pout about it. He persevered and became a Hall of Famer.

Hall has played 200 games, Eberle has been in 231 games, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has dressed in 136, while Nail Yakupov is at 82 games and Justin Schultz has played 76. No one should be suggesting that all the losing is going to wear down these kids. I don't believe any of them are that fragile, but even if they thought about having a pity party, they should do a quick search of Joe Sakic's career.

Sakic was drafted 15th overall in 1987 by the Quebec Nordiques. He played one more season in Swift Current before debuting with the Nordiques in October of 1988. Keep in mind that in his first three seasons he played in a 21-team league where 16 teams made the playoffs.

In Sakic's first three seasons, the Nordiques finished dead last every year. The Nordiques drafted 1st, 1st, 1st and 4th in his first four NHL seasons.

1989: They went 27-46-7 for 61 points.
1990: They were 12-61-7 for 31 points.
1991: They went 16-50-14 for 46 points.
1992: They went 20-28-12 for 52 points.

In 1993, they were literally twice as good picking up 104 points going 47-27-10, but in 1994 Sakic and the Nordiques dipped back down to 76 points with a 34-42-8 record.

In his first four seasons, Sakic's Nordiques won a measly 75 of the 320 games they played. Sakic dressed in 299 of those games, and he learned much more about losing than he did winning.

Despite all the losses Sakic played exceptionally well.

YEAR       GP      G       A      PTS
1989        70      23     39      62 
1990        80      39     63     102
1991        80      48     61     109
1992        69      29     65      94

In 1990, the second leading scorer on the Nordiques was Peter Stastny with 62 points in 62 games before being traded. In 1991, Sakic had 50 more points than his closest teammate; Mats Sundin tallied 59 points.

Sakic didn't let the losing get to him. He kept battling and kept producing. 

WINNERS KEEP WORKING DESPITE LOSING  

Hall played his 200th game on Tuesday, and despite another loss, Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins haven't come close to experiencing the type of losing that Sakic had to face.

Hall's Oilers have played 248 games since he entered the league and they've won 87 of those. Sakic's team won 75 of 320 during his first four seasons. Losing sucks and I'm sure it can wear down a player, but if Hall wants to become one of the greats he needs to keep playing hard, and hope that eventually he will be surrounded by better players. He needs to continue to show determination and play strong, and like Sakic, at times he will need to carry the Oilers on his back.

Hall was the Oilers most dangerous forward in LA. He needs to keep playing like that, regardless of where the Oilers are in the standings or how often they are losing. Hall has the ability to be a franchise player, and considering how much he has improved in his last 100 games, I suspect he'll only keep getting better.

I've heard some people suggesting the kids will get tired of losing and want out of Edmonton, but competitive people don't think like that. There will be games where they look frustrated, and understandably so, but many elite players have started their NHL careers tasting defeat more often than victory, and the last thing that Hall or any of his teammates will do is feel sorry for themselves.

They need to be part of the solution, and when they start to win the victories will be more fulfilling because of what they learned in their first few seasons.

MORE TOUGH STARTS...

Mario Lemieux missed the playoffs in his first four seasons, and five of his first six. The Penguins drafted 2nd, 4th, 5th and 4th in his first four years.

Steven Stamkos has missed the playoffs four of his first five seasons. The Bolts have drafted 2nd, 6th, 10th and 3rd during those four losing seasons.

John Tavares has missed the playoffs three of his first four years, and the Islanders are poised to miss the postseason again. They have drafted 4th, 5th and 5th thus far in his non-playoff seasons.

Rick Nash played five full seasons without the playoffs, and he missed the dance in 8 of his first 9 years.

Ilya Kovalchuk missed the postseason his first four years and seven of his first eight seasons.

Vincent Lecavalier missed the playoffs his first four seasons. The Bolts were scheduled to pick 1st, 5th, 3rd and 4th in those years.

**Sidenote**.. Rick Dudley was the GM for Tampa Bay in 1999 and he traded the 1st overall pick. He moved down to 4th, and then traded again and didn't pick until 47th. He ended up with Dan Cloutier, Andrei Zyuzin, Shawn Burr and the Rangers 1st round pick in 2000. He could have used the first pick on Patrik Stefan or one of the Sedins, although those two had made it known they really wanted to play together.

The next year, Dudley traded the 5th pick to the Islanders for Kevin Weekes, Kristian Kurdroc and the 31st pick. The Islanders selected Raffi Torres. Despite these horrific deals, the Lightning still won the Cup in 2004. ***

Losing stinks but Hall and company aren't the first group of young stars to endure losing seasons, so let's stop the suggestions that they will want out of Edmonton. Anyone in the media or fan base who suggests these kids have endured too much losing need only look at the career paths of other young stars. Rarely is it an instant path to success.

Winning is difficult and as painful as these past few seasons have been for Hall and company, they need to learn from it, and be willing to ensure they improve their play so the team becomes more successful. Hall is good enough to lead this team to better times ahead, and he'll likely inspire his teammates to follow him in the coming seasons.

LINEUP...

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Smyth-Gordon-Hemsky
Jones-Lander-Gazdic

Ference-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Belov-Larsen

Dubnyk

Arcobello got rocked by Drew Doughty in the 3rd period of Tuesday's 3-0 loss to the Kings, and hasn't skated since. Lander will draw in for Arcobello. 

The Oilers will need to get scoring chances from someone other than Hall tonight. The Avalanche are 6-5-1 in their last 12, and after a 16-5 start they are starting to look more like the team people expected. They aren't a force like the Kings, Bruins or Ducks, but they will provide another solid test for the Oilers.

Dubnyk gets the start. I'm not one who buys into the "Dubnyk plays better when pushed" theory; however, it is obvious that Dubnyk needs to be more consistent.  I want a goalie who plays well regardless of who he shares the net with.

WHAT SEE YOU?

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers will end their trip on a high, with a 4-2 victory in Denver.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Bordeleau and Gazdic drop the gloves. Fight fans love it, while anti-fight crowd will complain. This will never change.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Usually it is former Oilers scoring against Edmonton, but tonight Ryan Smyth bucks that trend and scores against his former team ending his 10-game goal scoring drought. In 16 home games, Erik Johnson has only been a minus player twice, but he ends up -1 tonight.

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RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR 

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#101 The Nuuuuuuuuuuuuge
December 19 2013, 02:03PM
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Connor McDavid is waiting...

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#102 Gordoil
December 19 2013, 02:32PM
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I was always of the opinion that 2 wrongs do not make a right!!! But if we traded Dubnyk & Gagner for absolutely nothing in return, could that make it right? Goals against would be better.

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#103 watkinator
December 19 2013, 02:54PM
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Excellent perspective piece, Jason. Appreciate the cool-headed thinking around here.

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#104 **
December 19 2013, 03:32PM
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S wrote:

Shocking! Your big mouth (keyboard) writes cheques your dukes can't cash! Tuff guy!

what?!?!?!?!?!

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#105 RB
December 19 2013, 04:21PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

You seemed to miss the point of the article. The point was that people saying the kids will ask to be traded because of losing is incredibly premature.

Many others players lost a lot early in their career and stayed on their teams...

There was no mention of a correlation to them sucking it up to winning the Cup. I pointed out Tampa only because they won despite some bad trades of high picks. Only 1 team wins every year, the odds the Oilers win is very low even when they become competitive.

Where did I say the current direction of the team was fine?

I said Hall should strive to be the star. I said he should ensure he produces even when the team loses just like Sakic did on brutal teams.

I agree! Gregor is an astute hockey man!

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#106 mlcselli
December 19 2013, 04:37PM
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Dubnyk is between the pipes. Gagner is on the second line. Eakins is the class clown. Battle of the rookie coaches and we tank even further. Looking for some hope. #Unfrickenreal

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#107 Spydyr
December 19 2013, 06:41PM
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S cottV wrote:

Still think Dubnyk can get it going....

Nope , never did never will

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#108 Freewheeling Freddie
December 19 2013, 06:47PM
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Do you think the Oilers will score a goal tonight? With DD in goal I expect at least 2 softies. This team couldn't even make it to Christmas This could be the worst Oiler team OF ALL TIME. My wife believes all katz owns this team for is to get a tax break. I am starting to believe this to be true. Lowe Smith Bucky must go. Can santa claus make this happen. The hockey gods can be very cruel.The losing culture is getting deeper and deeper.Wake up Daryl

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#109 vetinari
December 19 2013, 08:20PM
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Rocket wrote:

Huh so that's what happens when The Oilers stand up for themselves. The refs don't allow it. What a BS call on Gagner.

Live, I thought that Gags was totally in the wrong but it the replay, you could see that he got high sticked in the jaw first... I would have likely done the same thing too to Statsny... I hate to say it, it leaves us one centre short but after how he's recently been playing, sitting out the rest of the game may not necessarily be a bad thing.

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#110 Brian
December 19 2013, 10:02PM
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vetinari wrote:

You know, I wasn't necessarily expecting a playoff spot this year but I was expecting:

1. a competitive team every night; 2. more consistency, development and less mistakes from the kids (Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak and J. Schultz) and from the journeymen (Gagner and Dubnyk); 3. more leadership and structure from the veterans; 4. more tactical coaching from the "hot shot AHL" guy that every team was courting in the offseason; 5. some bold moves to fill out the roster. Heck, I would even settle for some "not necessarily bold but definitely practical and necessary moves" at this point; and, 6. meaningful games at least until the trade deadline.

This year has definitely been a step back for the organization in most facets. Sure, there have been some goods things (acquiring Perron, signing Boyd), but the bad definitely outweighs the good. This is the first time that I've said it but we are "rebuilding the rebuild". How many more years from here???

Nice summary and well said . To answer your question: after Sam Reinhart and Connor MacDavid gain a couple years of NHL experience as Oiler draftees .

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#111 Alsker
December 19 2013, 10:24PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Looking further ahead on the schedule the next game against cgy should be a real Waterloo. If the oil lose to the flames surely something needs to happen in the mgmt ranks.

"Needs to happen" and "will happen" are two completely different things. No way any changes take place as any admittance of guilt/error by mgt ends up coming back to the Lord of the 6 Rings desk. Someday hopefully.

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#112 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
December 19 2013, 10:25PM
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mlcselli wrote:

Dubnyk is between the pipes. Gagner is on the second line. Eakins is the class clown. Battle of the rookie coaches and we tank even further. Looking for some hope. #Unfrickenreal

Now that's a game day prediction!

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#113 Serious Gord
December 19 2013, 10:34PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Didn't Calgary win the last one? Look on the positive side Gord, Oiler's will pick before Calgary at the draft and I'm sure there will be a diminutive offensive player available.

LOL between my tears at the thought of Lowe and MacT at the podium announcing the pick.

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#114 Arius Mumin
December 19 2013, 10:34PM
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hall2010 wrote:

how is eakins still the head coach...the players don't want to play for this fool...

RNH, Hall and Eberle are his safety blanket.

If they were the stars that we are led to believe, any "good" NHL coach would use them on multiples lines to spread the wealth and create offense and match-ups.

Instead, no matter their, or their teammates performace, we are guranteed to see the trio together.

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#115 S cottV
December 19 2013, 11:22PM
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@Rod from Viking

Yeah Rod - that has always bothered me. Like what were those kids doing in the room while team execs pondered the Hall vs Seguin decision in Oil Change? My God - Now boys make sure you don't text your friends about the decision we just made - ha ha ha. Mickey Mouse Club..

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#116 Stan_the_Caddy
December 20 2013, 01:30AM
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Not trying to make excuses for a pathetic team, but can someone please explain the officiating tonight? I was at the game tonight and Gags' penalty was CLEARLY announced by the ref as "2 minutes for high sticking" (~thank goodness for their mics so that everyone knows what's going on~) then suddenly Gags is sent off after the replay on the Jumbotron and the penalty changed to cross checking? Not to mention all the bogus icing calls early in the game? It's bad enough we have to watch this Mickey Mouse team. I've just about had it with this league. I think I'll start spending my time and money on something else.

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#117 Spiel
December 19 2013, 02:17PM
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Notice that the Nords/Avs two best players Sakic and Forsberg were not their first overall picks. 1st overall does not necessarily mean best player.

In fact, I don't think any of their first overall picks were on the team when they won the Stanley Cup as the Colorado Avalanche.

Maybe Hall is more Mats Sundin or Owen Nolan than Joe Sakic. First overall picks who played in a Canadian market and never went past the conference finals...

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#118 Spydyr
December 19 2013, 02:29PM
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** wrote:

10-1 Colorado. Take it to the bank.

Was 10-1 the same score against you in your last fight?- against Tonya Harding! lmfao!

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#119 Lochenzo
December 19 2013, 02:38PM
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Puck_In_Throat wrote:

I actually like this comparison, but lets think about what the Nordiques (Avs) then did to win a cup:

1) traded the 1st overall pick in the 1991 draft (Lindros) for a package that included Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, cash, Chris Simon and Mike Ricci (key role players in their cup runs), and first rounds picks in 93 and 94.

2) traded their 1st overall pick from 1989 (Sundin) to Toronto for Wendel Clark, whom they then flipped the next year in a three way deal to get Claude Lemieux (a proven veteran and a key part of their cup runs, who already had a cup)

3) traded Thibault (from the #1 pick from Philly in the Lindros deal) rucinsky and adrei kovalenko for Patrick Roy, a proven, Conn-Smythe and two time cup-winning goalie. Almost as important, that trade gained the Avs Montreal's captain Mike Keane.

The players acquired by the Nordiques/Avs for all of their young studs had one thing in common: multiple Stanley cup finals appearances.

If the Oilers have any hopes of being like the Avs, they need to recognize a few key pieces (Hall and Nuge IMO) and then maximize the value of other assets such as former 1st overall picks in exchange for proven veteran players.

The most glaring of all of these is the Sundin for Clark-turned Lemieux trade. Not exactly a win in the stats column, but Claude Lemieux had 3 cups already and a history of playoff success. ** Edit** I looked up Lemieux and he in fact had just won the Conn Smythe trophy with the NJD. He also won the cup 4 times. Sundin finished with 600 more points than Lemieux, but 70 less playoff points and 0 cups. Nobody talks about how great Marcel Dionne was because the point of the NHL isn't to score goals, its to win Stanley Cups.

MacT has (hopefully) started on this route by acquiring Ference. But draft picks are no sure thing, and good GMs frequently trade players with "upside" for proven veterans.

I was totally against dealing any of the kids early in the season. This franchise has gone through decades where they were unable to acquire enough skill to win. We had Doug Weight and we had Ales Hemsky, but we couldn't surround them with enough talent to reach the top of the food chain.

But watching this team over this season, I just don't see how they can make the changes required without dealing one or two skilled players.

The Lindros trade was a one off. Trades 2 and 3 are the types that the Oil need to be examining. You lose skill, but you gain other traits such as leadership, guys with a track record of winning, grit, etc. All elements that the Oilers could use a little bit more of.

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#120 **
December 19 2013, 02:44PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Was 10-1 the same score against you in your last fight?- against Tonya Harding! lmfao!

No, I got knocked out in the first minute.

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#121 smiliegirl15
December 19 2013, 02:53PM
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Man I hope the Oilers read your blog Jason! We don't need any slackers on this team!!!

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#122 Valter Slobchak
December 19 2013, 03:52PM
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** wrote:

what?!?!?!?!?!

I agree. He constantly writes nonsense - serious posters - not posers - only please!

P.S. I would trade Hall straight across for Phaneuf! You would be crazy not too.

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#123 Kr55
December 19 2013, 04:40PM
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Any past team comparable that kept a guy like Lowe in a high up position during the entire streak of futility that we can look at to give us hope? I can't think of one... It's very possible the Oilers will break the 10 season playoff drought record with Lowe at the helm the entire time and beyond.

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#124 AdamfromOilfans
December 19 2013, 05:25PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

You seemed to miss the point of the article. The point was that people saying the kids will ask to be traded because of losing is incredibly premature.

Many others players lost a lot early in their career and stayed on their teams...

There was no mention of a correlation to them sucking it up to winning the Cup. I pointed out Tampa only because they won despite some bad trades of high picks. Only 1 team wins every year, the odds the Oilers win is very low even when they become competitive.

Where did I say the current direction of the team was fine?

I said Hall should strive to be the star. I said he should ensure he produces even when the team loses just like Sakic did on brutal teams.

What is the point if not to at least contend for the Cup? Nash and Kovalchuk DID get sick of the losing and moved on. Their teams are still perpetual losers.

Yes, losing might not push players to abandon ship, but A) it doesn't help with retention when they do have options and B) it badly hurts a team's ability to acquire top end talent in the free agent market.

If we need different pieces around the young core, and we can't attract those players, then we're quite possibly on the Atlanta/Columbus model of rebuild - the never-ending ty. It's already clear that we're not following the Chicago or Pittsburgh models any more.

As for getting sick of the losing, I don't know if the players are there yet, but I am. It's been eight years without a single playoff game. How many more does it have to be? I don't care if we keep these guys if it means we turn in to Columbus. What would that matter if we never are competitive? Long odds or not, we need to be Cup contenders, or there's just no point to the whole exercise. Oilers fans have been incredibly patient - but they've been promised a light at the end of the tunnel and that's not just keeping young guys from demanding a trade.

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#125 vetinari
December 19 2013, 07:58PM
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GET PERRON SOME HELP!!!!! Please...

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#126 Alsker
December 19 2013, 08:06PM
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Hell of a shot Hall...Nice

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#127 vetinari
December 19 2013, 08:07PM
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Hallsy... top shelf where poppa keeps the whiskey!

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#128 Saytalk
December 19 2013, 08:08PM
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So when does this team find its own versions of Peter Forsberg, Claude Lemieux, Mike Ricci, Adam Foote and Patrick Roy?

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#129 **
December 19 2013, 08:18PM
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that was such a bs call on Gagner. Both he and Statsny lumbered each other. If anything take both guys out for 2 minutes. Can't beat the Oilers playing hockey, let's act like a bunch of princesses and get man advantage. Pu$$ies.

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#130 **
December 19 2013, 08:31PM
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Zarny wrote:

Good grief.

Krueger coached this team to 24th place; not 4th.

Fans seem to forget about the 10 game losing streak last year. Krueger's coaching excellence included doing nothing during a 10 game slide.

MacT wasn't even with the franchise last year. He's a GM not God and half the roster needs to be turned over. Are you really daft enough to think that was going to happen by Christmas?

Sorry (not really) to correct you, but Mac Tavish has been with the Franchise since at least june 11, 2012 when he was hired to be part of hockey operation by the Oilers. Also, Mac Tavish did turn over 40% of the roster in the summer. He just failed to get all the pieces the team needed.

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#131 Johnnydapunk
December 19 2013, 08:33PM
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Hall getting an unsportsmanlike was a bit Pete Tong, and Eakins looks like he is ready to snap! Let the board rattling and water bottle tossing begin!!

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#132 Hockey fan 1976
December 19 2013, 08:38PM
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Boy, Dubnuts really enjoys going down to his knees before shot is even taken.

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#133 Rocket
December 19 2013, 08:47PM
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Hit from behind on Hall. No call. These refs make me drink.

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#134 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 19 2013, 08:55PM
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@Zarny

Mact was brought back June 11 2012 as VP hockey operations. Almost every media member in this town at the time said he was going to be the next gm He was credited by the sportsnet sycophants for being decisive for bringing in J. Schultz and helping hire Krueger as Head Coach. no pass for MacT on this one. Good try tho

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#135 Alsker
December 19 2013, 10:03PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I know Yak is learning to play away from the puck, but there certainly appears to be a rift between Nail and Eakins.

Dallas is turning him into a 4th line mucker.

Wasn't that what we were saying MacT was doing with our offensive guys a few years(coaches) ago?? No wonder he hired Eakins, saw lots of himself in him.

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#136 ?
December 19 2013, 10:11PM
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Hall's Oilers have played 248 games since he entered the league and they've won 87 of those. Sakic's team won 75 of 320 during his first four seasons.

That's actually not a HUGE difference. About 12% more wins for Hall, but is that really a lot?

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#137 I tried it at home
December 19 2013, 10:11PM
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ok, lets see... 1 - 5 on 5 goal. 1 - shorthanded goal 1 - powerplay goal 1 - empty net goal

So, do the Av's win a prize?

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#138 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 19 2013, 10:25PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Looking further ahead on the schedule the next game against cgy should be a real Waterloo. If the oil lose to the flames surely something needs to happen in the mgmt ranks.

trashed it cause i know they wont change anything and it makes me sad. Also propped

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#139 Fresh Mess
December 19 2013, 01:32PM
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@Rick Stroppel

Droll. Very droll.

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#140 S cottV
December 19 2013, 01:39PM
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@Spydyr

Still think Dubnyk can get it going....

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#141 2004Z06
December 19 2013, 03:14PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Okay I just figured out why Eakins is starting Dubnyk. The Oil scored eight goals against the Avs last time they played so he is figuring with Dammit in net they can still win 8-7.

Can't remember...(seriously) who was in the Oilers net for the 8-2 victory?

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#142 bazmagoo
December 19 2013, 05:21PM
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One of the young guns demanding a trade is definitely my greatest fear as a long struggling Oilers fan, so this article was a great read. Still think the mix of the team needs to be addressed, hopefully we can unload Gagner at some stage and not wait for his next 8 point game. He's been absolutely brutal this year.

Still hoping we can turn the corner sooner rather than later!

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#143 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
December 19 2013, 05:39PM
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Dubnyk tonight, good. 90% chance they lose with Devin in goal.

Every time they start Bryzgalov, i fear he'll win the game on his own. Good thing the Oil have been shut out 2 of his last 3 starts.

5-3 Colorada. Can just gift wrap Hemsky and send him to the Sabres?

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#144 Alsker
December 19 2013, 07:57PM
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Snooooooooooozer!!!! Is this part of Eakins system NOT to shoot?

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#145 Harry
December 19 2013, 08:08PM
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Im sitting here watching the Leafs Coyotes game and I find myself thinking if only Yak could commit and play a 200' game like an EAKINS TAUGHT Kadri.

That would be sweetness

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#146 Alsker
December 19 2013, 08:46PM
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WTF..blind side hit from behind??? Wow maybe I'm being a homer but thats the same type of hit that put Horcs on IR last season

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#147 MattL
December 19 2013, 08:57PM
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@Mikey

Hmm, I guess I could have spent 2 seconds looking that up instead of 1 second looking like a dummy.

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#148 Quinn the Eskimo
December 19 2013, 09:11PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think the fan-fretting over the kids is worth putting in context like this…

i.e., most of the time teams acquire top 5 picks because they are terrible and it takes a lot more than fresh-faced top 5 picks to drag a terrible team to the promised land.

BUT… the concern isn't exactly without merit.

Sakic did his serious damage as an AV. I doubt Nords fans take much solace in that.

Nash is a NYR. Columbus got to see many of his prime years go to waste and now won't get to see him do anything as their guy.

The Isles showed some signs in the lockout but can't buy wins in the useless East and Tavares, stud that he is, isn't winning right now when he's in his age of flourishing.

These are, basically, the concerns.

That a team will finally be ready to contend but only after missing out on prime years from their kids (and prime contract bargaining position).

Or, that a player will finally be on a team ready to contend, but a team other than yours.

And the Nux held the Sardine Tins through their growing period and reaped the rewards. They took a LOT of flack from their 'fans' who are now happy, but still classless.

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#149 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 19 2013, 09:35PM
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Mikey wrote:

Yea because he was the one who made the retarded pass.

Nope, he came up with the retarded formations that keep allowing Shorthanded goals

aand the post just made an awesome save for dubie

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#150 bob
December 20 2013, 01:18AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Stauffer is hinting that the team is not 100% healthy.

That's what you should expect when a small recalcitrant team plays several heavyweights in succession.

And now the meet arguably the fiercest team in the league - the St. Louis blues.

What are the odds that by Sunday the team will be 0-6?

of course he did,.....didnt yousee macT sitting next to him during broadcast.......bobs on a very short leash when it come to criticizing the oilers these days

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