Now Eventually You Do Plan To Have Power, On Your Powerplay, Right? Hello?

Jonathan Willis
December 19 2013 10:50PM

The game-winning goal in Thursday’s game was scored by the Colorado Avalanche, while the Edmonton Oilers were on the power play. That’s bad. That it’s just the way Oilers power plays tend to go these days is worse.

The Goal!

Stop me if you’ve heard this before: Justin Schultz coughs up the puck at the opposition blue line.

This one isn’t especially complex; that’s the crux of it. The initial pass is inexplicable; Schultz had time and space but decided to force a pass to a covered Taylor Hall rather than hang on to it himself or pass it to the open man on the far boards.

That started a two-on-one. Hall did his level best to get back in the play and gained some ground but wasn’t able to get there in time. The Oilers would have been okay if Schultz had played the pass, like every defenceman defending a two-on-one ever is supposed to, but he didn’t and that left Devan Dubnyk hanging out to dry.

The Trend!

Here’s a statistic: In the last 13 games, the Oilers have surrendered 14 shorthanded chances. They have only managed to generate 11 themselves all season.

Here’s another one: in the last six games, Edmonton’s power play has been out-chanced 8-7.

Superficially, the power play ranks 16th in the NHL in overall effectiveness, with 23 goals on 130 chances (17.7%). However, after eight shorthanded goals are taken into account it slips to 25th overall in goal differential/opportunities. It’s a ludicrous number given the talent the team has at its disposal.

Edmonton plays games on Saturday and Monday, but then has a long-ish break before playing Calgary on Friday (Update: as Jason Gregor reminds me, there's a little-known holiday called "Christmas" in that stretch, which makes it somewhat less than ideal as a time for practicing things). That break might be a good time to completely reimagine the power play.

Recently by Jonathan Willis

74b7cedc5d8bfbe88cf071309e98d2c3
Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
Avatar
#51 Taylor Gang
December 20 2013, 08:13AM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

Why are Hall and Nuge the only two producing as of late? Please explain

Avatar
#52 Rama Lama
December 20 2013, 10:48AM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
28
cheers

Relax everyone, there is lot's of time left. Coach Eakins has a plan, and I for one think it will work.

1. Mix the line ups and often ( blender at high speeed) because that always works.

2. Play players outside their natural positions because that always works.

3. Make sure that everyone is fit, demand it, because that always works.

4. Bench players and often,( except you favourites) because that always works.

5. Look angry, and talk in a low voice to the media, because that always works.

6. Match lines like your pee-wee hockey team, because that always works.

If anyone still thinks that because Eakins had a good AHL team, he will be a great NHL coach........stop smoking those drugs.

Time to turf MR. Fitness, the team has tuned him out!

Avatar
#53 DoubleDIon
December 20 2013, 11:30AM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers
hall2010 wrote:

i think yak's disinterested in playing for eakins rather than defense.

Then send him to the pressbox and let him eat popcorn. This team has been losing with every coach, not just Eakins. I don't think Hitchcock could help some of these guys get better defensively. The want to has to be there and it isn't. Yakupov just let ROR score last night rather than take one stride and getting there. Completely unacceptable for an NHLer. The kid is an extreme detriment to winning. I don't care about his talent.

Avatar
#54 oilersfan123
December 20 2013, 11:52AM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

I never thought I'd say this, but I really wish Dustin Penner was back.

Avatar
#55 Arius Mumin
December 20 2013, 12:07PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers
DoubleDIon wrote:

I've never been a Horcoff hater. He was your best player after Hall IMO. You win with Horcoff type players. Yakupov types are losers, you'll never be a winning organization (insert Singletary rant) with that type of mindset. Eberle has some excuse, he's small and slow. He'll never be a good defensive player. Yakupov has decent size and great speed, he should be able to play sound defensive hockey. He should sit in the press box until he apologizes to the organization. Letting a kid who isn't even an NHL level player hold your organization hostage is a joke.

Only thing I got from your comment is that your younger sister has a crush on Yak and you don't really like that, much.

Avatar
#56 Oasis
December 20 2013, 12:22PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers
Zarny wrote:

Why?

Omark clearly wasn't better than any of the top 6 F. He certainly didn't have the type of game you need from a 3-4th line player.

What should the Oilers have done? Play him over Eberle or Hall?

How about instead of signing Hemsky to 5 million/year, trading him when he still had some value? I think that for this year Omark could have been put into Hemskys spot without seriously affecting this offence.

We sure could have used a defenseman coming back for Hemsky. Even if we just dumped his salary and got nothing back we could have used the 5 million/year saved and signed a Free Agent defence man.

How does having Hemsky on this team right now help us more than having Omark in his spot? This team is a train wreck anyways. Now Omark just walks for basically nothing. After one year and a legitimate shot on the team if Omark isn't a fit let him walk then.

I am not an Omark fan per say, but I hope he does well in Buffalo.

Avatar
#57 Jay
December 20 2013, 01:57PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers

Life is so much better when you don't waste any time watching this sad sack of losers.

Avatar
#58 nrXic
December 20 2013, 09:30PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers

There is more talent in Yakupov's left hand than there is in the entire Flames organization, let's not kid ourselves here.

He is absolutely horrid in his defensive play, but that is something that is learned. His shot on the other hand, is a skill and a G-d given talent that no Flames player will ever possess.

His defensive liability means little if he remains on the half-wall on the PP. Remember the PP? Y'know, the topic Mr. Willis is talking about?

Last year he scored 18% of the Oilers' PP goals.

This year, he has scored 17%. The only player to score more is Perron, at 26%. Hall trails Yak at 13%.

What makes that stat remarkable, is that Yak plays on the second PP unit, which affords him 66% of the opportunity these other guys get. There's another aspect to be considered which I'll mention later.

Hall and Perron average 3:30 min on the PP each game. Yak averages 2:34.

What concerns me more than those minutes, is how those minutes are spent. Rather than getting a chance to start in the offensive zone, where a faceoff win can lead to an immediate PP setup, which can lead to one-time opportunities...the 2nd line comes in usually on a on-the-fly change, or a faceoff (that isn't guaranteed to be in the opponent's zone). So as I said earlier, this has to be factored into Yak's performance. Offensive zone faceoffs matter when it comes to setting up a player who specializes in having a cannon shot.

There are more issues, no doubt, some of which were put rather well in the first page of comments. But what I see here is an issue with using the right knife in our Swiss Army Knife, for the job. This also includes where you would put a guy like Yak. You don't move him to the blue line, as we saw a couple times. He belongs on the half wall.

One aspect of Yak that coaching has under-estimated are his passing skills. His passes are hard (perhaps too hard in some cases) and accurate. No opponent stick in the lane is able to stop those passes. I can appreciate wanting a player maker like Nuge on that wall, he'd be far more suited to setting up Yak.

Avatar
#59 @pistolpetestar
December 19 2013, 11:20PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
35
cheers

I know we joke about it but there has to be some serious consideration taken to declining penalties or firing the puck over the glass to even it up to 4 on 4.

Avatar
#60 S cottV
December 19 2013, 11:38PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
20
cheers

It takes veteran presence and nerve to run the pp from the top of the umbrella. You have to have the right guy to pull it off or you run a different pp formation.

I think Krueger's downfall was handing off too much too soon to the kids. If Eakins doesn't watch it - he will end up getting one of those Skypes.

As for Schultz - he has a long way to go. In fact I would settle his @ss down, hope for some relative calm, so some team might want him and trade his butt for a real d man. He really is over rated

Avatar
#61 bazmagoo
December 20 2013, 12:35AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
17
cheers

@reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)

I think sending J Schultz down to the AHL would be a little over the top, but he should definitely be playing 3rd pairing minutes. Anyone can see that. Trading Smid does look pretty foolish, especially with no replacement in the organization. Just continuing to hope these bad days will motivate these young guys to improve in leaps and bounds.

Ekblad does look like a nice prospect though, wouldn't be a horrible thing to end up with him. He's already rocking a serious beard at 17 - http://www.eliteprospects.com/gallery.php?player=49042. I'm ok with the Oilers sucking now, there is power in beards.

Avatar
#62 **
December 20 2013, 12:40AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
12
cheers

The NHL should add a rule that allows the team receiving the power play to decline it, much like in football. That would reduce the danger of being scored on for the Oilers.

Avatar
#63 CMG30
December 20 2013, 06:17AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
21
cheers

I think the GF might be on to something. She knows nothing about hockey but still somehow came up with this: "I think I hate these guys. Everytime I watch them they make me mad"

Avatar
#64 Rheal1
December 20 2013, 06:54AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
15
cheers

Isn't Steve Smith the D coach? Isn't he also the PP guy behind the bench? Shouldn't he be fired? Arent assistant coaches part of this uber failure?

Avatar
#65 75ers
December 20 2013, 07:21AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers
bob wrote:

this 'team' blows........this organization blows........sport announcers on radio and tv blow........no entertainment value at all........

ive heard from buddies with kids......the kids think cheering for oilers youre not cool.....they are cheering for other teams and players............and starting to watch other sports

oilers are on the verge of losing the younger generation.......not good for business

what a shame

When I was a kid playing pond or road hockey... It was I want to be Gretzky or Messier, or Fuhr. I skate at the local pond and hear the road hockey games on my street and it's... I want to be Crosby, Stamkos and so on. I never thought I would hear it. The love affair is dying in the streets.

Hockey is alive and well in Canada and the Oilers benefit from the geographical location, but it is sad to say this team for the kids and the adults has washed away all the magic the Oilers once held.

It's a real shame for everyone.

Avatar
#66 camdog
December 20 2013, 07:59AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
18
cheers
DoubleDIon wrote:

What I can't figure out is why Nail Yakupov isn't being sheltered more. He is clearly the worst defensive player in the league. Why the heck is he playing against the Duchene line? The O'Reilly goal is a prime example of his disinterested play. I'd play him the 5 minutes the 4th line plays for the other team until he decides to actually stick with his man.

He went to the media and his agent the last time he got sheltered minutes.

Yak's has great skill, but he needs to be surrounded by a veteran center to develop his overall game. I know there are a lot of Horcoff haters, and he is a shell of a player he once was, but Yak needs a guy like that right now.

Avatar
#67 S cottV
December 20 2013, 08:34AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
12
cheers
-30- wrote:

What happened from last year to this year?

Last year the Oil powerplay was deadly. Zipping the puck quickly and then bang. Goal!

Is it the system? Is it the players? Is it the coach or is everyone else in the league defending the Oil PP better?

Mental lapses happen but lately they seem to be magnified by more lapses. Can't J Schultz be benched at least?

-30-

I think there is truly a disconnect with the Coach.

It's probably a combination of things like different systems that the players are not embracing, off ice protocol and personality.

Eakins admitted that some of his systems were off base for this player group, so that tells me there must have been and probably still are issues between the Coach and player group.

Avatar
#68 Kr55
December 20 2013, 09:40AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
23
cheers

It's pretty obvious Krueger took all the brain behind our special teams with him. Gotta really question what Buchy and Smith actually do on this team. I wouldn't be surprised if Krueger asked for extra coaching help because he knew those 2 were useless and he was doing everything himself. Possibly not using those 2 played a part in him getting fired. Only thing worse than asking your boss to fire untouchables like Buchy and Smith is to exclude them and make them feel as useless as they are. Eakins must be more of a "team player".

Avatar
#69 Say what again
December 20 2013, 09:59AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
30
cheers

It must be yak's fault. Instead of asking hard, penetrating questions to the management and coaching staff, the media should go corner the young russian some more.

Avatar
#70 boxman
December 20 2013, 10:01AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
10
cheers

All the negativity is wearing but I get the anger. That said I would caution everybody who wants to trade Hall et al. Back in the day many of us called for Messier and Coffey to be shipped out. They were error prone and seemed to lack any semblance of hockey sense. We were wrong and history proves it. As for those who get their backs up with any mention of "the old days"....respect your elders you brats:)

Avatar
#71 Zarny
December 20 2013, 10:48AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers
Drowning in Oil wrote:

Just going to sit back and wait for Omark to start tallying up the points in Buffalo. In a way, I really hope he sticks it to the Oil!!!

Why?

Omark clearly wasn't better than any of the top 6 F. He certainly didn't have the type of game you need from a 3-4th line player.

What should the Oilers have done? Play him over Eberle or Hall?

Avatar
#72 Rama Lama
December 20 2013, 11:48AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
17
cheers

@Zarny

I always wonder about well coached teams.......it seems no matter who is out they find a way to win.

Why, you ask Zarny, well because they have a system of play that all players have bought into and they make it work.

It's called good coaching. We hired a rookie GM who made a rookie mistake and hired a rookie coach. The rookie coach though he was smarter than God......and still does.

Since we cant fire the President, GM, Asst. GM, the only one left is the coach.

We should have hired Brent Sutter in the first place.........he would have never made the STUPID mistakes that Eakins continues to make. Let's stop blaming the players as NOT being good enough. Every time we say that the player leaves only to shine on some other team.

Avatar
#73 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 20 2013, 01:06PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers
bazmagoo wrote:

I'm wondering if that's what the issue is with J Schultz too, didn't Krueger convince him to come to E-town?

According to Sportsnet and which idiot is babbling at the time I have heard 5 different names in connection with landing him here

MacT Gagner Hall Krueger Lowe

I think i heard a couple of other ones as well. All depends on who's tires sportsnet is trying to pump at the time

Avatar
#74 **
December 20 2013, 02:42PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers
dougtheslug wrote:

Remember Schultz played his brief minor league career on a unit with Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and RNH. It was all offence, all the time and seriously skewed his offensive numbers, and I think distorted the perception of his abilities, as well as leaving his clear defensive liabilities unexposed until he arrived at the NHL.

It is obvious he has lots to learn on his own side of center ice. Put him down in OKC with their current roster, and I bet you he wouldn't put up anywhere near the offensive numbers he put up last year.

I agree he has lots to learn, just not from the minors. Remember that yes, those guys were playing together, but they were playing against much tougher players against. There were plenty of NHLers in the AHL last season, and still Schultz stood out.

Avatar
#75 Cccsberg
December 20 2013, 05:12PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
Smokey wrote:

Heads should roll. How can a President and GM watch the debacle of a powerplay with that much talent suck so mightily.

The Oilers dzone coverage and inability to defend is laughable. A top pairing of Smid Petry would look lovely right now. Not sure how Lowe and MacT could think a plethera of soft 180 pound defenders with no apparantly no defensive accumen could handle this load. Just pathetic.

They dumped Smid for ECHL goalie and a tweener so they could sign a goalie who they don't play. If your going to dump your only decent NHL defender then roll your goalie till he drops. Total headshaker.

Good on Hall and Nuge to play for pride. The only highlights last night.

Although I don't believe the Smid trade is as bad as many think, IMHO when he stated on camera that things were unacceptable, and defensive coverage must improve (implying the forwards...) I think his days with the Oilers were numbered. Management doesn't like anyone on the team going public about the golden boy "Fab5" even when it's perfectly obvious to one and all...

Avatar
#77 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
December 20 2013, 03:59AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
17
cheers

Life is hell without a couple first pairing blueliners.

The heart of the power play.

Avatar
#78 Mike
December 20 2013, 05:43AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers

Christmas is in the way of our powerplay? I don't think the Oilers deserve Christmas this year! Bah humbug and lumps of coal for the lot!

Avatar
#79 sizedoesmatter
December 20 2013, 06:53AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

Thought they played well the last two periods. All I hope for now is improvement for the rest of the year

Avatar
#80 -30-
December 20 2013, 07:08AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
9
cheers

What happened from last year to this year?

Last year the Oil powerplay was deadly. Zipping the puck quickly and then bang. Goal!

Is it the system? Is it the players? Is it the coach or is everyone else in the league defending the Oil PP better?

Mental lapses happen but lately they seem to be magnified by more lapses. Can't J Schultz be benched at least?

-30-

Avatar
#81 gcw_rocks
December 20 2013, 07:19AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
7
cheers
Jonathan Willis wrote:

Might be a - wait, what's the opposite of fun? - project for the Christmas break.

Opposite of fun is "Oilers".

Avatar
#82 Mikey
December 20 2013, 07:54AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers

Done! Those pancakes are definitely done.

Avatar
#83 thinkerr
December 20 2013, 08:06AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
7
cheers

Is the game over, or are we on the power play? I honestly can't tell the difference.

Avatar
#84 Taylor Gang
December 20 2013, 08:13AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
12
cheers

Why are Hall and Nuge the only two producing as of late? Please explain

Avatar
#85 Zamboni Driver
December 20 2013, 08:59AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Errrr....Mis-fire on the smart-@ss-ness. Meant to post in the Omark thread.

As you were.

Avatar
#86 Mikey
December 20 2013, 10:32AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
The 'Real' Ron Burgundy wrote:

Yak and Sammy Snow-pants in some sort of package to the Rangers for Callahan and Girardi. It works every time in my own mind.

I would make that deal, except, both are UFA.

Avatar
#87 Drowning in Oil
December 20 2013, 10:33AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
22
cheers

Just going to sit back and wait for Omark to start tallying up the points in Buffalo. In a way, I really hope he sticks it to the Oil!!!

Avatar
#88 Joe Mamma
December 20 2013, 11:13AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
14
cheers
bob wrote:

this 'team' blows........this organization blows........sport announcers on radio and tv blow........no entertainment value at all........

ive heard from buddies with kids......the kids think cheering for oilers youre not cool.....they are cheering for other teams and players............and starting to watch other sports

oilers are on the verge of losing the younger generation.......not good for business

what a shame

Yep. My son told me he is the only oiler fan in his class, and the rest of the kids bug him about it.

I asked him "who do they cheer for then?" And his response should be a very scary proposition for ownership, and maybe even the league... "Nobody. There are a couple kids that are fans of some other teams, but mostly they just don't care about hockey."

In what is considered one of the best hockey markets in north america, to hear that should absolutely send a chill down the spine of Katz.

On the verge of losing them? I think they've already lost them.

Sad indeed.

Avatar
#89 BIGDAWG
December 20 2013, 11:24AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers

Sigh, This team seems to be over coached.. I do think Eakins deserves a fair shake. but things are a bloody mess right now.. I remember in the show Oil change last season, Ebs said to Cornet. you should see our powerplay its sick... so wtf happened....put gags on the wing for eff sakes already!!!! and if we are waiting till the off season to get bigger and better D and a Goalie.. then we might as well have Tambo back there....

that game lastnight was there for the taking.... now im not saying the players have tuned out the coach... but... I think the players have tuned out the coach... yay another top 5 pick.. geezuz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Avatar
#90 Joe Mamma
December 20 2013, 12:10PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Arius Mumin wrote:

Only thing I got from your comment is that your younger sister has a crush on Yak and you don't really like that, much.

Don't feed the trolls.

Avatar
#91 S cottV
December 20 2013, 12:41PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
9
cheers

I really think Eakins is in trouble with the player group.

You can tell by what is said - what isnt being said, Coach body language, player body language and the performance of the team.

Eakins admitted he miscued on the implementation of systems that did not suit the player group. Good on him to an extent but gives you an idea that the player group probably considers him to be well in over his head. For Eakins to come out like that - tells you he is probably trying to reel back in some credibility with the player group.

A player group that has serious doubts about Coach leadership is way more distracting, than most people would think.

I am not suggesting that Eakins should be fired at this point, just that I really think there is a serious disconnect that has to be dealt with.

Real tough situation for Eakins, with the team under huge scrutiny from disgruntled fans and what has to be growing impatience from MacT. Here they are - no chance at playoffs, trying to beat teams who are battling for the playoffs or playoff position - and we are playing for pride. Well - the other teams have pride too, maybe more. Throw in a Coach disconnect with the player group, that will only widen with more losses and this really could get ugly.

Avatar
#92 GriffCity
December 20 2013, 01:45PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

I think i finally see what the problem is...I cant believe it's taken me till Christmas to figure this out...Klowe and MacT do you guys have you notepads ready? ok... Here goes: We just aren't any good. Thank you

Avatar
#94 hallsyoilerforever5
December 19 2013, 11:03PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
44
cheers

It's truly frustrating to know how PP was strong last season. Who the hell runs the PP now? Acton? Eakins? League leading SH's is just shameful. Dead last in the west, flames are still ahead, 4 points from 30th with Buffalo winning a game tonight. This season has been such a disaster.

Avatar
#95 David S
December 19 2013, 11:08PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
12
cheers

Any chance of doing a screen capture analysis of the PP Jonathan? Seems like alot of the same breakdowns due to some sort of system failure (or lack of being able to execute said system).

Avatar
#96 Oilcan
December 19 2013, 11:51PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
38
cheers

Schultz is in a rough spot clearly he has the talent but he needs to be on the third pairing and with Edmonton not having what you would call a capable d core, he plays way too many minutes, therefore making too many mistakes.

Also that "2nd line" sure seems to bleed chances against for the past couple years, oh gagner is still the centre on that line, hmmm must be the 9 different wingers fault #oilerlogic

Avatar
#97 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 20 2013, 12:14AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
14
cheers

Shultz needs a smart veteran to p[lay with. When Coffey first came in the Oilers picked up gary lariviere who Coffey said helped build his confidence by leting him know when to go and when not to. Shultz needs something.

Imo don't see how the AHL will help when he showed he can dominate that league. Played half the season there and still won defenseman of the year I believe.

Is he another pierre larouche or Alex Giroux in that they can't seem to do it in the NHL consistently?

Tough to say when the Oilers are very poor at development

i honestly don't know what to make of him right now. is he this bad?

Avatar
#98 Dan
December 20 2013, 12:28AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
32
cheers

Oilers as an organization have done a very poor job in developing their players and not surrounding the young core with smart veterans. I fear the constant losing will just further erode the confidence and development of our core players...think it already has, you see it in their body language. Six years the Oilers mgt team have done very little to build this team other than acquire first round picks (3 times drafting first overall)and they are no better than the year they bombed in 2007 (and had 3 first round picks and bombed out with two picks). That in a nutshell tells you why the Oilers are where they are. I don't see the Oilers fans waiting for another rebuild with this current management team...this would never happen in MTL, TOR and VAN. Until we get a capable mgt team and making trades/drafting well to meet needs, this organization is going nowhere and Katz will be laughing all the way to the bank in his super nice new arena.

Avatar
#99 bazmagoo
December 20 2013, 02:24AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
13
cheers

@hall2010

I'm wondering if that's what the issue is with J Schultz too, didn't Krueger convince him to come to E-town?

Avatar
#100 @Oilanderp
December 20 2013, 05:14AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
David S wrote:

Any chance of doing a screen capture analysis of the PP Jonathan? Seems like alot of the same breakdowns due to some sort of system failure (or lack of being able to execute said system).

It seems as if that work has already been done:

http://theexpiredmeter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/crap.jpg

Comments are closed for this article.