GDB: 38.0: OILERS WANTED THIS...

Jason Gregor
December 23 2013 12:23PM

 

The Oilers asked for this.

During the past few seasons members of the Oilers management have made references to wanting to build their team in the same vain as Chicago and Pittsburgh. I have no idea if they will ever have the same success as those two franchises, but right now they are emulating the struggles and lack of success that both those franchises endured before becoming two of the best teams in the NHL.

I've cautioned people who only looked at the rebuilds of Chicago and Pittsburgh as blueprints for the Oilers, because the harsh reality is that for every Chicago there are two franchises like Columbus or Atlanta/Winnipeg, and for every Pittsburgh there is a Florida and the New York Islanders.

It was great for the Oilers to aspire to be like the Blackhawks and Penguins, but that was always the "best case scenario."

Many readers won't want to read this, but the truth remains this is only year four of the Oilers rebuild. The previous four seasons were not part of the rebuild. They were four seasons of bad management. That doesn't excuse the Oilers, specifically Kevin Lowe who has been here for all eight years, but if you are someone who was in favour of the rebuild in 2010 then you have to accept the harsh reality of the current timeline.

It is rare for teams to rebuild in a short period of time. The problem is i'm not sure the Oilers truly understood how hard the journey would be. Did they expect this much losing? If so, why did they change coaches every year? It is fair to question if they truly had a plan, and it is more than fair to question whether they have the fortitude or smarts to follow it through and make the correct decisions to become a winner.

When the Oilers management suggested they wanted to follow in the footsteps of the Hawks and Penguins, I wonder if they knew exactly what that entailed? Did they know that the Blackhawks made the playoffs once in ten seasons between 1998 and 2008?

The Hawks didn't have a few years of losing; they had a decade of it.

1998: 9th worst record. Drafted 8th (Mark Bell) after a deal with Toronto
1999: 7th worst record. Won lottery, moved up to 4th spot, then traded that pick for Bryan McCabe and the 11th pick in 2000. McCabe played one season in Chicago before being dealt to Toronto for Alex Karpotvsev and a pick.
2000: 8th worst record. Picked 10th, due to Minnesota and Columbus entering league, and selected Mikhail Yakubov 10th and used the 11th pick on Pavel Vorobiev. 
2001: 9th worst record and they selected Tuomo Ruutu 9th.
2002: Made the playoffs. Finished 5th in the west, four points ahead of 9th. Their top six scoring forward were there in 2001 and Jocelyn Thibault was the starter both years, but they added Phil Housley and Jon Klemm on the blueline. They were #2 and #3 in TOI behind Boris Mironov. They made a very smart pick in the 2nd round selecting Duncan Keith 45th overall.
2003: 14th worst record. They selected Brent Seabrook. They took Corey Crawford in the 2nd round and Dustin Byfuglien in the 9th.
2004: 2nd worst record. Washington won the lottery so the Hawks dropped to 3rd and picked Cam Barker after missing out on Ovechkin and Malkin. The Hawks had 17 draft picks that year and took Dave Bolland 32nd, Bryan Bickell 41st and Troy Brouwer 214th. 
2005: No season, but they picked 7th after the lottery and took Jack Skille. They chose Niklas Hjalmarsson 108th overall.
2006: 3rd worst record. They happily took Jonathan Toews at #3.
2007: 5th worst record. They won the lottery and took Patrick Kane first overall. (Sidenote, the Oilers never would have gotten Kane. Had they lost their final game of the season to the Flames they would have finished with the 4th worst record not the fifth.)
2008: 11th worst record. Took Kyle Beach with the 11th pick.

During the first half of that decade of losing none of the Hawks top picks made an impact in Chicago, however, between 2002-2007 the foundation of their team was built through the draft. Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Keith, Hjalmarsson, Crawford, Bickell, Bolland, Brouwer and Byfuglien were all key players in one or both of their Stanley Cup victories.

However, it wasn't like they planned to go from being a playoff team in 2002, to missing out by one point in 2003 to being a bottom three team in 2004, 2006 and 2007. You can make a strong argument that their most important decision came from a stroke of luck; winning the draft lottery.

Toews is the heart and soul of that team, but Kane is his deadly sidekick, and I don't see them winning the Cup without Kane. You need some luck and good fortune along the way to win a Cup, but to become a consistent contender you need to build the majority of the key pieces via the draft.

The Oilers have an excellent chance of mirroring the Hawks decade of losing, but they will be hard pressed to go from being a bottom feeder to a Cup contender like the Hawks, because no two paths to Cup success are the same.

The Oilers don't have a Keith or Seabrook right now. You can argue that Petry could be their Hjalmarsson and Eberle was an outstanding pick at #22, but other than a long stretch of losing, I've never made the direct comparison between the two organizations.

The Hawks stunk for a decade, and if Bill Wirtz hadn't passed away in the fall of 2007, I wonder if the Hawks would have had the same success. Wirtz was a very generous man who donated millions of dollars to the Boys and Girls Clubs and other charities, but he was incredibly frugal when it came to the Blackhawks. For years he wouldn't show Blackhawks' home games on television. He alienated his fans to the point that when the Blackhawks held a moment of silence in his honour prior to a game in October of 2007 some fans booed.

The Hawks success was a combination of good drafting, some lottery luck and a change in leadership.

Will the Oilers do the same?

WHAT ABOUT PITTSBURGH?

Most people know that the Penguins had five consecutive top-five picks between 2002-2006, but prior to those five lean years the Penguins were a great organization.

The Penguins made the playoffs for 11 consecutive seasons before missing them in 2002. Jaromir Jagr entered the NHL in 1990/1991 and that is when the Penguins 11-year streak began. They also had some guy named Mario Lemieux who was also pretty good.

Jagr came in when their run started, and when he was traded on July 11th, 2001that marked the beginning of their five years in suckville.

The Penguins made it to the conference finals in 2001, losing 4-1 to New Jersey, but Jagr was traded that summer and Lemieux only played 26 games in 2002.

2002: 5th worst record. They drafted Ryan Whitney. They also selected Max Talbot 234th overall.
2003: 2nd worst record. Florida won the lottery and had the first pick. The Penguins had the 3rd choicel, and they moved that pick along with the 55th pick (Stefan Meyer) and Mikael Samuelsson to Florida for the 1st and 73rd pick (Daniel Carcillo).The Penguins took Marc-Andre Fleury first overall.
2004: Worst record in the NHL. Washington won the lottery and picked first, (Ovechkin) and the Penguins grabbed Evgeni Malkin at #2. They took Alex Goligoski 61st and Tyler Kennedy 99th.
2005: No season. The history of the Penguins changed due to luck. They won the lottery and had the pleasure of selecting Sidney Crosby. They chose Kris Letang 62nd that year as well.
2006: 2nd worst record. They selected Jordan Staal 2nd overall.

There is no Crosby in Edmonton, and on any other team for that matter, so it is very difficult for the Oilers to follow the Penguins' path to success. The Penguins drafted three centres, one goalie and a D-man who they used in a trade to acquire Chris Kunitz.

The Penguins went from being very good to terrible in the span of 10 months.

Their five-year drought was painful, but they got Crosby and Malkin; two of the top-five players in the NHL. It is impossible to match that blueprint. The Penguins also got an elite D-man in the 3rd round, similar to the Blackhawks landing Keith.

The Oilers are on pace to grab their 5th consecutive pick in the top-seven, and while that will put them on par with the draft positioning of the Penguins, it doesn't mean their five picks will be as impactful as the Penguins. Just like the Hawks, the Penguins caught a huge break by winning the lottery and selecting a dynamic and dominant player.

The Oilers have also won the lottery, but Nail Yakupov hasn't come close to matching the early success of Kane or Crosby. He likely will produce more in the future, but I don't ever see him being in the same category as those two players.

The one similarity that I do see unfolding with the Oilers, that we also saw in Pittsburgh and Chicago, will be trading away one of their top-five picks.

The Hawks moved Cam Barker for Kim Johnsson and Nick Leddy, while the Pens moved Whitney for Kunitz and after winning a Cup, they had to move (pending UFA) Staal for Brandon Sutter and Derrick Pouliot.

The Oilers are similar to the Penguins in their draft position, and are on the verge of being on par with the Blackhawks when it comes to a decade of losing. Now, it is up to MacTavish to see if he can build this team into a contender. They still have a lot of work to do.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

  • It is great to have a goal to strive for, but the I've always felt it was a bit of pipedream to believe you could emulate the road to success of the Penguins or Blackhawks. The fact is there is no guarantee of success in the NHL.
     
  • Having consecutive top-five picks should give you a good base, but only if you use the picks properly. Either you pick the best combination of players, or you pick the ones that you will be able to move for assets in the future. The Oilers aren't in a position to trade one of those picks today, but they will need to in the future.
     
  • The other difference between the Oilers and the Hawks and Penguins thus far is drafting depth outside of a top-ten pick. The Blackhawks built the depth of their team through the draft, and many of them were a bit more mature by the time Kane and Toews burst on the scene.
     
  • The Penguins surrounded their young players with productive and experienced players. In 2008 when they lost in the Cup final, they added Hal Gill, Pascal Dupuis and Marian Hossa. The next year when they won the Cup they acquired Kunitz, Bill Guerin and Craig Adams. The Oilers will need to make smart moves and acquire some veterans to support their young stars.
     
  • The Penguins Cup winning blueline consisted of draft picks, Letang, Rod Scuderi (134th pick, 1998) and Brooks Orpik (18th, 2000), acquired Gill and two free agent signings in Sergie Gonchar (2005) and Mark Eaton (2006).
     
  • The Hawks also had three drafted D-men on their blueline in Keith, Seabrook and Hjalmarsson.
     
  • The only drafted D-man the Oilers curently have on the roster is Petry. We expect Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse and possibly Martin Marincin to play in the future, but if the Oilers are going to succeed then one of those three will need to be an impact player within three seasons. That is a lot to ask of a young D-man.
     
  • If I had to pick, I'd say the Oilers have a better chance of following the Penguins path than the Blackhawks, strictly because the Hawks D-men were more mature than their forwards when they won. The Penguins went out and signed a veteran top-pairing D-man in Gonchar, which is a more realistic option for the Oilers. They either trade for one this summer or try and sign one via free agency this summer.
     
  • Trading or signing an elite D-man is going to be extremely difficult. If they don't go that route, I don't see how this team can take the steps needed to becoming a competitive team.
     
  • I understand the frustration amongst Oilers fans. You are sick of watching a losing product, and you should be. However, the Oilers haven't been rebuilding for eight years. From 2007-2010 they tried being competitive, but they failed. They made some questionable trades and free agent signings, and the only reason they actually went into a rebuild was due to numerous injuries to key players during the 2009/2010 season. They didn't plan to rebuild, it just unfolded that way.
     
  • That doesn't excuse Kevin Lowe, far from it, but the biggest mistake the Oilers could make today is to try and speed up the rebuild. If they need to fire someone within the organization to appease their fans, then they have to do it, but if they try to deviate from their original plan, or try and speed up the process, then there is a very good chance they will end up driving this team into an even longer cycle of losing. They have to see the process through, and accept that there might be some empty seats in the process. If they try to change the plan now, they likely will screw it up even worse.
     
  • Eakins was pretty fired up about the fan who threw his jersey on the ice. "That's a bunch of bull crap. Whoever through that jersey on the ice is a quitter and they're out. I never want our players to quit," said Eakins. Every sports team values the jersey, it is very symbolic and I see why the coach didn't like it. He was okay with fans booing, said his team deserved it, but the jersey was offside. I'm guessing this will be a hot topic amongst Oiler fans. Some I spoke to loved it, while others felt it was disrespectful to the jersey.
     
  • My personal opinion on it is this. Eakins is in a no win situation. They didn't need another distraction, although I'm guessing that was his plan. Have fans hate him, not the team.

    Also...If the fan who threw it is officially done with the Oilers, then he went out with a bang. If he threw it on the ice, but will be back watching them tonight then it was just a moment of dumb frustration and rather bushleague. You can be upset at the Oilers, yell at them because they haven't improved, demand that Lowe be fired. That is fair game. Tossing a jersey, or anything else on the ice, other than a hat after a hat trick, should not be applauded.

    I do believe many fans are fed up and likely won't go to any games or watch any until the Oilers improve, and if you are strong enough to stay away I tip my hat to you. I'm a diehard Dolphins fan, and my team has stunk for the most part of the past two decades, yet everytime I think I'm done with them they win a few games and I get sucked back in. It is very hard to stop cheering for a team, and if you are able to do it then you are stronger than me. Good on ya.

 LINEUP

It shouldn't matter who they play with, the entire team's focus should be about working hard and competing. If they don't instill that into their foundation this team will never improve. Eakins juggled his lines and came up with these new combos at practice yesterday.

Hall-RNH-Perron
Joensuu-Gagner-Eberle
Smyth-Gordon-Hemsky
Gazdic-Lander-Yakupov

Ference-J Schultz
Belov-Petry
N Schultz-Potter

Bryzgalov

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers worst game of the year was the 5-0 loss to Detroit. They rebounded three days later and beat Florida on the road. Tonight is different. They are at home and their fans are frothing at the mouth in frustration. If they have any pride they will put forth a good effort. If they don't, the fans won't hold back their displeasure. The Oilers avoid a raucous round of boos with a 4-3 win.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers announce a sell out, but there will be some empty seats. Whether they are paid for or not, the message should be clear to the Oilers; patience is wearing thin amongst Oiler fans.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The powerplay doesn't give up a good scoring chance.
 

DAY 16: MONTH OF GIVING...

Today is our final day, so if you haven't finished your Christmas shopping you could do it during the show and help out Santas Anonymous and The Christmas Bureau at the same time.

Package #1: Update your wardrobe.

 

  • A $1,000 shopping spree at Derk's Mens Wear
  • One Derk's Black Label Suit.
  • $300 in tailoring to help with your new wardrobe.
  • A wardrobe consultation. Derks will come to your house, go through your closet and asses what you need or what pieces need to go.

Package #2: Tee It Up.

  • 10 rounds of golf at the Ranch Golf and Country Club (hole 14 above)  with a power cart with each round and use of driving range before every round.

 Package #3: For your special lady.

  • A pair of white gold diamond earrings. Beautiful floral type deign with micro pavee set diamonds on lever backs, they are a stunning dangling style with .30 carats of diamonds. Courtesy of Michael Anthony Jewellers. 

Package #4:

  • Two pairs of seats to watch the Flyers/Oilers on Saturday.
    Row 23 seats 1,2 and seats 5.6  with club access courtesy of Nation reader VK63!

You can bid between 2-6 p.m today by calling 780.444.1260 or 1.800.243.1945.

Thanks in advance...

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#251 Mikey
December 24 2013, 01:01AM
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I see Justin Schultz played 26min tonight. How did he look?

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#252 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
December 24 2013, 01:02AM
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@Zarny

Zarny......Serious question......are you a woman?.......because if you are, you know more about hockey than any woman I've ever met. Just curious.

Edit: I think someone trashed me for being sarcastic or sexist or something.......not trying to be....just see the picture and the name Zarny....and would like to know....honest question.

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#253 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
December 24 2013, 01:04AM
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@Mikey

Honestly....pretty much every Oiler looked good tonight. From what I saw Justin played pretty good tonight...no glaring mistakes....not trying to do to much.

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#254 wiseguy
December 24 2013, 01:08AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

I bet - as someone who has read many (over a dozen) books by or on Churchill over the years - that he would find the current points system to be an abomination.

It gives more points in some games than others. It makes it impossible to determine what a .500 team really is and thus how many games ahead or behind a team is and it does not show nor differentiate overtime wins. It makes comparisons with past eras even more difficult.

And it traps statistically challenged journos from time to time.

So I think he would count them - but for less than a regulation win. I Favour a 3-2-1 system. I think he would too.

I'm pretty certain Churchill would neither know nor care about hockey, let alone favor a 3-2-1 system. He would be doing more interesting and valuable things than arguing on internet blog sites.

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#255 Serious Gord
December 24 2013, 01:10AM
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The Mook wrote:

The NHL started regular season overtime in '83-84, so yes those 4 wins are possible in '93-94

Not true. OT win points were not given until the 99-00 season.

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#256 Serious Gord
December 24 2013, 01:14AM
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You're both using the wrong stat to prove your point. You need the points percentage to make the equivalencies match for both seasons.

THe PP doesn't go as far back as 1993-1994 in the NHL website but it's easy to calculate.

For 1993/1994 with a record of 11-23-5 in 39 games, the P% is .361.

For 2013/2014 with a record of 12-24-3 in 39 games, the P% is .361.

The Oilers are actually exactly where they were back in 1993/1994.

When you do it this way you make it only about the ability to obtain points and nothing else. This eliminates noise and bias from adding other elements of comparison like number of wins, or overtimes or ties.

Rules may change,but the ability to get points out of a max total remains the same.

But with the advent of the extra point for an overtime win (or loss depending on your perspective) some games in today's era are worth more points than others - an overtime game gives two pts to the winner and one to the loser fir a total of three versus just two for a game that ends in regulation.

Thus comparing point/game avgs between the two years in question is gibberish.

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#257 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
December 24 2013, 01:21AM
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Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

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#258 Cynic
December 24 2013, 01:25AM
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Reading the last two ON posts makes me think the writers got a memo from Oilers brass. Is there a press pass you guys are trying to protect? Sure reads like it.

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#259 Serious Gord
December 24 2013, 01:31AM
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wiseguy wrote:

I'm pretty certain Churchill would neither know nor care about hockey, let alone favor a 3-2-1 system. He would be doing more interesting and valuable things than arguing on internet blog sites.

But if - hypothetically - you could ask him...

He was very much a fan of horse racing - can't recall if I ever read that he was or wasn't a fan of team sports - but he was a connoisseur of pretty much everything he turned his eye to and had an opinion to boot.

No doubt he would have known of lord Stanley - his grandfather the duke of Marlboro - whose memory Winston Churchill worshipped and he wrote a massive biography of - was in the Conservative party at the same time. And being a big believer in the dominions he no doubt was aware of the cup.

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#260 MessyEH!
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http://jetsnation.ca/2013/12/24/jets-post-game-39-does-santas-workshop-build-a-winner#comment-473093reat write up here.

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#261 Morgue
December 24 2013, 06:45AM
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** wrote:

There's a score sheet that begs to disagree with you.

" A pebble tossed from a beach can become a tsunami on the other side of the world."

Well said g bear. As for Gregor it's hilarious how he splits hairs thinking throwing a hat on the ice for a hat ricks is completely fine but the jersey is offside. What a load of crap

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#262 Morgue
December 24 2013, 06:47AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

But if - hypothetically - you could ask him...

He was very much a fan of horse racing - can't recall if I ever read that he was or wasn't a fan of team sports - but he was a connoisseur of pretty much everything he turned his eye to and had an opinion to boot.

No doubt he would have known of lord Stanley - his grandfather the duke of Marlboro - whose memory Winston Churchill worshipped and he wrote a massive biography of - was in the Conservative party at the same time. And being a big believer in the dominions he no doubt was aware of the cup.

Serious gord I'd suggest you are reading into things a little too much. Quoting Churchill my god you have to much time on your hands

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#263 camdog
December 24 2013, 06:49AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

It is also important to state truths...

Oilers 1993/1994...first 39 games.. 11-23-5, and they lost their 40th game.

Through 39 games this year the Oilers are 12-24-3. That is a better record based on wins. And if Oilers win one of their next two games they will be better than two other years at the half way point. They have many issues, but it is important to state the exact truths when comparing previous seasons.

Shoot out wins equal ties in the old system. Your win total is inflated and biased when comparing this year's team to the 94 team.

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#264 Neal
December 24 2013, 07:26AM
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Sure Jason, there you go muddying the waters with facts and common sense...

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#265 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 24 2013, 07:27AM
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Mikey wrote:

I see Justin Schultz played 26min tonight. How did he look?

well, if you go by the theory that even wins must be picked apart, over analyzed and ruined, he probably wasnt nearly good enough. no chance he is a #1 pairing d-man on an elite team.

if you go by the "holy shat the Oilers finally won!" fan analysis of the game, he was pretty good. had his misses for sure but was much better then he has been recently.

now, if you will excuse me, i need to get back to focusing on why Friday is now THE most important game of the year, and how Churchill, Einstein, Doc Brown and Inspector Gadget all have some theories about horse racing and nose picking and how it ties into an NHL hockey season.

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#266 season not played
December 24 2013, 07:34AM
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The reason the Oilers are the worst organization in the NHL is that they are the worst run organization in the NHL and have been for years. They are not a terrible hockey team by accident. Six Rings is a blithering idiot, Bold Moves is in way over his head and Eakins is incompetent. They might win 20 games this season and I don't remember a version of this "Team" where unless they are playing a fellow bottom feeder, you don't wonder if they will win, you wonder if they will score a goal. The Oilers are a f#&king joke.

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#267 Brian
December 24 2013, 07:40AM
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I thought this was "OilersNation", not "Serious Gord Nation".

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#268 Serious Gord
December 24 2013, 07:54AM
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Morgue wrote:

Serious gord I'd suggest you are reading into things a little too much. Quoting Churchill my god you have to much time on your hands

Well let's see... Others have alluded to many other big events in history and sacred items during this - edmonton's version of jersey shore, I'm just following suit.

That and I'm already in Christmas vacay...

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#269 -30-
December 24 2013, 08:24AM
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After seeing 270 comments I have come to this conclusion.

IT'S JUST A GAME!!!!!

Happy holidays everyone :)

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#270 nick
December 24 2013, 08:46AM
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Wow the Oilers beat the Jets, crisis over team is on the right track, great coaching, rebuild complete. ha ha Too funny Guess if they could play a team in the bottom 5 or 6 in the league every night they would be competitive.

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#271 wergy
December 24 2013, 09:17AM
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I keep reading Hall hates Yak...did I miss something?

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#272 Hangin@Bangin
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@vetinari

The only thing that would have made this comment better would be replacing "ready to go" with a Cosmo Kramer errrrrr Dallas Eakins "Giddy Up" what an idiot......

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#273 Gored 1970
December 24 2013, 09:26AM
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Don't blame the players for the Oilers struggles (at least not entirely). They are who they are and the Oilers knew who they were and their playing style when they drafted them. I have been rough on Eakins but he can only coach what he is given. It's tough to win in this league without a good defense and good goal tending - of which the Oilers have neither.

No, the blame should be placed squarely on the shoulders of Kevin Lowe, his GMs and the scouting staff because they aren't doing enough to find better players. Just picking from Central Scouting's list come draft time isn't doing the job. Oilers don't have a competent starting goalie - go find one. Both Vancouver's Eddie Lack (6/2, .928 PCT, and 1.93 GAA) and LA's Martin Jones (8/1, .953 PCT and 1.31 GAA) were not drafted. These organizations have done their homework and have found and signed these and other undrafted players. I know nobody likes the Canucks but they have three other starters in Tanev (top 4 D), Stanton (top 6 D) and Burrows (top 6 fwd) who were not drafted. That's an organization that is working hard to find better players. Time for the Oilers to quit relying entirely on the draft, roll up their sleeves and find better players. If your scouting network can't find them either expand the network or replace them.

The Oilers missed Stanton when Chicago placed him on waivers. The Canucks grabbed him and felt so strongly about him they made him a top 6 D immediately. He played in Moose Jaw which is only an 8 hour drive from Edmonton. If the Oilers had done their homework instead of sitting around the boardroom in their expensive suits feeling smug their positions, they would have known about Stanton and picked him up.

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#274 michael
December 24 2013, 09:27AM
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Light of a new day brings renewed hope to ON. The team was lead by Hall and Yak. Yak stepped up his game to a level he has not done yet in his short time in the NHL. Wow. I saw him channeling the ghost of ESA Tikkanen last night. He had the Jets in high dudgeon. The chicken wing was nasty. Then the melee. Wow.

Gazdic stepping in for Yak on Stuart. The guy has shown willingness to do the job. 10 fights this season so far. The comments from Yak show how important Gazdic has become to this team.

When were evaluating MacT's moves this season the acquisition of Gazdic has to be right up there with the signing of Gordon.

MacT deserves credit when credit is due.

I have to also say that MacT has made some questionable moves in signing a unproven NHL dmen in Belov and having him play the kind of minutes he has this season. Grebeshkov was a head shaker. I would have preferred Fistric resigned. There is definitely room for improvement on the backend this coming offseason.

I did like Eakins adding Joensuu upfront last night. Did his job by deflecting the brunt of the Jets physical play. It resulted in Gags and Ebs having more space. As much as I like Joensuu there is a need for a better more skilled big man. He is big but he is no Chris Stewart.

Overall the Oilers go in to the holidays on a positive. Friday night will be fun against fun.

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#275 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
December 24 2013, 10:25AM
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michael wrote:

Light of a new day brings renewed hope to ON. The team was lead by Hall and Yak. Yak stepped up his game to a level he has not done yet in his short time in the NHL. Wow. I saw him channeling the ghost of ESA Tikkanen last night. He had the Jets in high dudgeon. The chicken wing was nasty. Then the melee. Wow.

Gazdic stepping in for Yak on Stuart. The guy has shown willingness to do the job. 10 fights this season so far. The comments from Yak show how important Gazdic has become to this team.

When were evaluating MacT's moves this season the acquisition of Gazdic has to be right up there with the signing of Gordon.

MacT deserves credit when credit is due.

I have to also say that MacT has made some questionable moves in signing a unproven NHL dmen in Belov and having him play the kind of minutes he has this season. Grebeshkov was a head shaker. I would have preferred Fistric resigned. There is definitely room for improvement on the backend this coming offseason.

I did like Eakins adding Joensuu upfront last night. Did his job by deflecting the brunt of the Jets physical play. It resulted in Gags and Ebs having more space. As much as I like Joensuu there is a need for a better more skilled big man. He is big but he is no Chris Stewart.

Overall the Oilers go in to the holidays on a positive. Friday night will be fun against fun.

Interesting...like you...the highlights of the night for me were Yak and Gadzik. Let's hope the coaching staff tell those guys that that's exactly how we need to see them play. Agree with everything you said. Too bad everyday can't be Christmas....let's see how they do Saturday night!

And don't shuffle the lines, same roster and lineup for Saturday night please!

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#276 Pucker
December 24 2013, 10:28AM
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Jason, I just about always agree or respect what you have to say here and on your show but you're way out to lunch here.

You're scrambling for some reason. That's not like you.

The jersey thing was a significant gesture. It made national news and was a reflection of many fans frustrations.

The Oilers now are maybe a very talented group of individuals but going into the game yesterday, they looked like the worst team in Oiler history.

I hope they pick it up in the second half. They have the ability. We're still looking for the compete.

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#277 **
December 24 2013, 01:05PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

But with the advent of the extra point for an overtime win (or loss depending on your perspective) some games in today's era are worth more points than others - an overtime game gives two pts to the winner and one to the loser fir a total of three versus just two for a game that ends in regulation.

Thus comparing point/game avgs between the two years in question is gibberish.

you really don't understand ratios do you?

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#278 TDSM31
December 24 2013, 01:31PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

But if - hypothetically - you could ask him...

He was very much a fan of horse racing - can't recall if I ever read that he was or wasn't a fan of team sports - but he was a connoisseur of pretty much everything he turned his eye to and had an opinion to boot.

No doubt he would have known of lord Stanley - his grandfather the duke of Marlboro - whose memory Winston Churchill worshipped and he wrote a massive biography of - was in the Conservative party at the same time. And being a big believer in the dominions he no doubt was aware of the cup.

Gord, Seriously...you need to be a little more aware of your surroundings. Hypothesizing on what Winston Churchill might think about the points system for hockey...in an Oilers blog? Talk about wrong time, wrong place.

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#279 Rdubb
December 26 2013, 07:01AM
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Jason, I sort of agree, but also disagree with you. What the Hawks and Pens did @ the draft is get Centre's, something the Oilers HAVE NOT DONE as of yet. And they SHOULD HAVE!!! Maybe Yak was the best player in the draft, maybe not, but the Oilers had a huge hole and needed it filled @ Centre and should have taken any number of guys over Yak, I personally felt that the Oil should have taken the kid the Habs took, Galyenchuk (you know who I mean). So what if he missed 95% of his draft yr, his previous season was outstanding and he was a 2 way player, not to mention that he had a bit of size to him, something else the Oilers needed... & last yr, maybe Nurse will be a #1 D-man, and I hope he is, but after that, the Oiler scouting staff dropped the ball, just like the previous 8 drafts, anyone can pick at #1 and not really mess up too bad...but, the Oilers had needs and didn't fill any of them. They needed a big C and didn't take one. They could have taken any one of 3 goalies, and let them all pass by, the worst being the Oil Kings tender. That hurts because of the close relationship between the two clubs...& the size the Oilers did take, well, they just opted for size, & size alone. None of their big guys they took where very impactful in their draft season, and I cannot see being impactful for their clubs this season either. And I have gone back and looked @ those whom I could find numbers on & or any articles. The Oilers do need to clean house, and it'll start with Lowe, and than the scouting staff, fire most of them, if not all. Over pay for a good Head Scout if needed. Why can teams like NAS draft so many good tenders and D-men, or the LAK drafting good goalie's too. These are just examples of teams not getting lucky once, but drafting for need, and doing a very good job at it. NAS has ALWAYS had an abundance of good goalies and are forced to trade one away every 3 or 4 yrs, but a very good one always steps in to replace, WHY CANT THE OILERS DO THAT? How about all the good D that the Preds draft? And they aren't always top 5 picks either, WHY CANT THE OILERS DO THAT EITHER? Because our scouting isn't good!!! Other than Eberle @ 22, I cannot think of one other late 1st rounder, or any other rounder to be a difference maker on this team, can you w/o looking it up? Peck

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#280 Gomez
December 27 2013, 06:54AM
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YAKCITY64 wrote:

Gregor,

I have listened to you since 790 I think and have always respected your opinion. I think you have had a level headed approach to most things but really are you even wasting your words comparing this sad sack bunch to anything that closely resembles the Pens or the Hawks. This sounds to me like Katz and the boys have bought you too. Sad Sad Day.

People make the rationale that the oilers rebuild only after hall was drafted. Hen I guess the hawks can say the same after they drafted toews. And they won the cup 4 years later made playoffs in 3 years after

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#281 Primo
December 30 2013, 09:31AM
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This article written by Jason Gregor is the exact reason the Oilers are the most pathetic franchise in pro sports history. Wow.

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