GDB: 38.0: OILERS WANTED THIS...

Jason Gregor
December 23 2013 12:23PM

 

The Oilers asked for this.

During the past few seasons members of the Oilers management have made references to wanting to build their team in the same vain as Chicago and Pittsburgh. I have no idea if they will ever have the same success as those two franchises, but right now they are emulating the struggles and lack of success that both those franchises endured before becoming two of the best teams in the NHL.

I've cautioned people who only looked at the rebuilds of Chicago and Pittsburgh as blueprints for the Oilers, because the harsh reality is that for every Chicago there are two franchises like Columbus or Atlanta/Winnipeg, and for every Pittsburgh there is a Florida and the New York Islanders.

It was great for the Oilers to aspire to be like the Blackhawks and Penguins, but that was always the "best case scenario."

Many readers won't want to read this, but the truth remains this is only year four of the Oilers rebuild. The previous four seasons were not part of the rebuild. They were four seasons of bad management. That doesn't excuse the Oilers, specifically Kevin Lowe who has been here for all eight years, but if you are someone who was in favour of the rebuild in 2010 then you have to accept the harsh reality of the current timeline.

It is rare for teams to rebuild in a short period of time. The problem is i'm not sure the Oilers truly understood how hard the journey would be. Did they expect this much losing? If so, why did they change coaches every year? It is fair to question if they truly had a plan, and it is more than fair to question whether they have the fortitude or smarts to follow it through and make the correct decisions to become a winner.

When the Oilers management suggested they wanted to follow in the footsteps of the Hawks and Penguins, I wonder if they knew exactly what that entailed? Did they know that the Blackhawks made the playoffs once in ten seasons between 1998 and 2008?

The Hawks didn't have a few years of losing; they had a decade of it.

1998: 9th worst record. Drafted 8th (Mark Bell) after a deal with Toronto
1999: 7th worst record. Won lottery, moved up to 4th spot, then traded that pick for Bryan McCabe and the 11th pick in 2000. McCabe played one season in Chicago before being dealt to Toronto for Alex Karpotvsev and a pick.
2000: 8th worst record. Picked 10th, due to Minnesota and Columbus entering league, and selected Mikhail Yakubov 10th and used the 11th pick on Pavel Vorobiev. 
2001: 9th worst record and they selected Tuomo Ruutu 9th.
2002: Made the playoffs. Finished 5th in the west, four points ahead of 9th. Their top six scoring forward were there in 2001 and Jocelyn Thibault was the starter both years, but they added Phil Housley and Jon Klemm on the blueline. They were #2 and #3 in TOI behind Boris Mironov. They made a very smart pick in the 2nd round selecting Duncan Keith 45th overall.
2003: 14th worst record. They selected Brent Seabrook. They took Corey Crawford in the 2nd round and Dustin Byfuglien in the 9th.
2004: 2nd worst record. Washington won the lottery so the Hawks dropped to 3rd and picked Cam Barker after missing out on Ovechkin and Malkin. The Hawks had 17 draft picks that year and took Dave Bolland 32nd, Bryan Bickell 41st and Troy Brouwer 214th. 
2005: No season, but they picked 7th after the lottery and took Jack Skille. They chose Niklas Hjalmarsson 108th overall.
2006: 3rd worst record. They happily took Jonathan Toews at #3.
2007: 5th worst record. They won the lottery and took Patrick Kane first overall. (Sidenote, the Oilers never would have gotten Kane. Had they lost their final game of the season to the Flames they would have finished with the 4th worst record not the fifth.)
2008: 11th worst record. Took Kyle Beach with the 11th pick.

During the first half of that decade of losing none of the Hawks top picks made an impact in Chicago, however, between 2002-2007 the foundation of their team was built through the draft. Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Keith, Hjalmarsson, Crawford, Bickell, Bolland, Brouwer and Byfuglien were all key players in one or both of their Stanley Cup victories.

However, it wasn't like they planned to go from being a playoff team in 2002, to missing out by one point in 2003 to being a bottom three team in 2004, 2006 and 2007. You can make a strong argument that their most important decision came from a stroke of luck; winning the draft lottery.

Toews is the heart and soul of that team, but Kane is his deadly sidekick, and I don't see them winning the Cup without Kane. You need some luck and good fortune along the way to win a Cup, but to become a consistent contender you need to build the majority of the key pieces via the draft.

The Oilers have an excellent chance of mirroring the Hawks decade of losing, but they will be hard pressed to go from being a bottom feeder to a Cup contender like the Hawks, because no two paths to Cup success are the same.

The Oilers don't have a Keith or Seabrook right now. You can argue that Petry could be their Hjalmarsson and Eberle was an outstanding pick at #22, but other than a long stretch of losing, I've never made the direct comparison between the two organizations.

The Hawks stunk for a decade, and if Bill Wirtz hadn't passed away in the fall of 2007, I wonder if the Hawks would have had the same success. Wirtz was a very generous man who donated millions of dollars to the Boys and Girls Clubs and other charities, but he was incredibly frugal when it came to the Blackhawks. For years he wouldn't show Blackhawks' home games on television. He alienated his fans to the point that when the Blackhawks held a moment of silence in his honour prior to a game in October of 2007 some fans booed.

The Hawks success was a combination of good drafting, some lottery luck and a change in leadership.

Will the Oilers do the same?

WHAT ABOUT PITTSBURGH?

Most people know that the Penguins had five consecutive top-five picks between 2002-2006, but prior to those five lean years the Penguins were a great organization.

The Penguins made the playoffs for 11 consecutive seasons before missing them in 2002. Jaromir Jagr entered the NHL in 1990/1991 and that is when the Penguins 11-year streak began. They also had some guy named Mario Lemieux who was also pretty good.

Jagr came in when their run started, and when he was traded on July 11th, 2001that marked the beginning of their five years in suckville.

The Penguins made it to the conference finals in 2001, losing 4-1 to New Jersey, but Jagr was traded that summer and Lemieux only played 26 games in 2002.

2002: 5th worst record. They drafted Ryan Whitney. They also selected Max Talbot 234th overall.
2003: 2nd worst record. Florida won the lottery and had the first pick. The Penguins had the 3rd choicel, and they moved that pick along with the 55th pick (Stefan Meyer) and Mikael Samuelsson to Florida for the 1st and 73rd pick (Daniel Carcillo).The Penguins took Marc-Andre Fleury first overall.
2004: Worst record in the NHL. Washington won the lottery and picked first, (Ovechkin) and the Penguins grabbed Evgeni Malkin at #2. They took Alex Goligoski 61st and Tyler Kennedy 99th.
2005: No season. The history of the Penguins changed due to luck. They won the lottery and had the pleasure of selecting Sidney Crosby. They chose Kris Letang 62nd that year as well.
2006: 2nd worst record. They selected Jordan Staal 2nd overall.

There is no Crosby in Edmonton, and on any other team for that matter, so it is very difficult for the Oilers to follow the Penguins' path to success. The Penguins drafted three centres, one goalie and a D-man who they used in a trade to acquire Chris Kunitz.

The Penguins went from being very good to terrible in the span of 10 months.

Their five-year drought was painful, but they got Crosby and Malkin; two of the top-five players in the NHL. It is impossible to match that blueprint. The Penguins also got an elite D-man in the 3rd round, similar to the Blackhawks landing Keith.

The Oilers are on pace to grab their 5th consecutive pick in the top-seven, and while that will put them on par with the draft positioning of the Penguins, it doesn't mean their five picks will be as impactful as the Penguins. Just like the Hawks, the Penguins caught a huge break by winning the lottery and selecting a dynamic and dominant player.

The Oilers have also won the lottery, but Nail Yakupov hasn't come close to matching the early success of Kane or Crosby. He likely will produce more in the future, but I don't ever see him being in the same category as those two players.

The one similarity that I do see unfolding with the Oilers, that we also saw in Pittsburgh and Chicago, will be trading away one of their top-five picks.

The Hawks moved Cam Barker for Kim Johnsson and Nick Leddy, while the Pens moved Whitney for Kunitz and after winning a Cup, they had to move (pending UFA) Staal for Brandon Sutter and Derrick Pouliot.

The Oilers are similar to the Penguins in their draft position, and are on the verge of being on par with the Blackhawks when it comes to a decade of losing. Now, it is up to MacTavish to see if he can build this team into a contender. They still have a lot of work to do.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

  • It is great to have a goal to strive for, but the I've always felt it was a bit of pipedream to believe you could emulate the road to success of the Penguins or Blackhawks. The fact is there is no guarantee of success in the NHL.
     
  • Having consecutive top-five picks should give you a good base, but only if you use the picks properly. Either you pick the best combination of players, or you pick the ones that you will be able to move for assets in the future. The Oilers aren't in a position to trade one of those picks today, but they will need to in the future.
     
  • The other difference between the Oilers and the Hawks and Penguins thus far is drafting depth outside of a top-ten pick. The Blackhawks built the depth of their team through the draft, and many of them were a bit more mature by the time Kane and Toews burst on the scene.
     
  • The Penguins surrounded their young players with productive and experienced players. In 2008 when they lost in the Cup final, they added Hal Gill, Pascal Dupuis and Marian Hossa. The next year when they won the Cup they acquired Kunitz, Bill Guerin and Craig Adams. The Oilers will need to make smart moves and acquire some veterans to support their young stars.
     
  • The Penguins Cup winning blueline consisted of draft picks, Letang, Rod Scuderi (134th pick, 1998) and Brooks Orpik (18th, 2000), acquired Gill and two free agent signings in Sergie Gonchar (2005) and Mark Eaton (2006).
     
  • The Hawks also had three drafted D-men on their blueline in Keith, Seabrook and Hjalmarsson.
     
  • The only drafted D-man the Oilers curently have on the roster is Petry. We expect Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse and possibly Martin Marincin to play in the future, but if the Oilers are going to succeed then one of those three will need to be an impact player within three seasons. That is a lot to ask of a young D-man.
     
  • If I had to pick, I'd say the Oilers have a better chance of following the Penguins path than the Blackhawks, strictly because the Hawks D-men were more mature than their forwards when they won. The Penguins went out and signed a veteran top-pairing D-man in Gonchar, which is a more realistic option for the Oilers. They either trade for one this summer or try and sign one via free agency this summer.
     
  • Trading or signing an elite D-man is going to be extremely difficult. If they don't go that route, I don't see how this team can take the steps needed to becoming a competitive team.
     
  • I understand the frustration amongst Oilers fans. You are sick of watching a losing product, and you should be. However, the Oilers haven't been rebuilding for eight years. From 2007-2010 they tried being competitive, but they failed. They made some questionable trades and free agent signings, and the only reason they actually went into a rebuild was due to numerous injuries to key players during the 2009/2010 season. They didn't plan to rebuild, it just unfolded that way.
     
  • That doesn't excuse Kevin Lowe, far from it, but the biggest mistake the Oilers could make today is to try and speed up the rebuild. If they need to fire someone within the organization to appease their fans, then they have to do it, but if they try to deviate from their original plan, or try and speed up the process, then there is a very good chance they will end up driving this team into an even longer cycle of losing. They have to see the process through, and accept that there might be some empty seats in the process. If they try to change the plan now, they likely will screw it up even worse.
     
  • Eakins was pretty fired up about the fan who threw his jersey on the ice. "That's a bunch of bull crap. Whoever through that jersey on the ice is a quitter and they're out. I never want our players to quit," said Eakins. Every sports team values the jersey, it is very symbolic and I see why the coach didn't like it. He was okay with fans booing, said his team deserved it, but the jersey was offside. I'm guessing this will be a hot topic amongst Oiler fans. Some I spoke to loved it, while others felt it was disrespectful to the jersey.
     
  • My personal opinion on it is this. Eakins is in a no win situation. They didn't need another distraction, although I'm guessing that was his plan. Have fans hate him, not the team.

    Also...If the fan who threw it is officially done with the Oilers, then he went out with a bang. If he threw it on the ice, but will be back watching them tonight then it was just a moment of dumb frustration and rather bushleague. You can be upset at the Oilers, yell at them because they haven't improved, demand that Lowe be fired. That is fair game. Tossing a jersey, or anything else on the ice, other than a hat after a hat trick, should not be applauded.

    I do believe many fans are fed up and likely won't go to any games or watch any until the Oilers improve, and if you are strong enough to stay away I tip my hat to you. I'm a diehard Dolphins fan, and my team has stunk for the most part of the past two decades, yet everytime I think I'm done with them they win a few games and I get sucked back in. It is very hard to stop cheering for a team, and if you are able to do it then you are stronger than me. Good on ya.

 LINEUP

It shouldn't matter who they play with, the entire team's focus should be about working hard and competing. If they don't instill that into their foundation this team will never improve. Eakins juggled his lines and came up with these new combos at practice yesterday.

Hall-RNH-Perron
Joensuu-Gagner-Eberle
Smyth-Gordon-Hemsky
Gazdic-Lander-Yakupov

Ference-J Schultz
Belov-Petry
N Schultz-Potter

Bryzgalov

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers worst game of the year was the 5-0 loss to Detroit. They rebounded three days later and beat Florida on the road. Tonight is different. They are at home and their fans are frothing at the mouth in frustration. If they have any pride they will put forth a good effort. If they don't, the fans won't hold back their displeasure. The Oilers avoid a raucous round of boos with a 4-3 win.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers announce a sell out, but there will be some empty seats. Whether they are paid for or not, the message should be clear to the Oilers; patience is wearing thin amongst Oiler fans.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The powerplay doesn't give up a good scoring chance.
 

DAY 16: MONTH OF GIVING...

Today is our final day, so if you haven't finished your Christmas shopping you could do it during the show and help out Santas Anonymous and The Christmas Bureau at the same time.

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  • A $1,000 shopping spree at Derk's Mens Wear
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  • $300 in tailoring to help with your new wardrobe.
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  • 10 rounds of golf at the Ranch Golf and Country Club (hole 14 above)  with a power cart with each round and use of driving range before every round.

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  • A pair of white gold diamond earrings. Beautiful floral type deign with micro pavee set diamonds on lever backs, they are a stunning dangling style with .30 carats of diamonds. Courtesy of Michael Anthony Jewellers. 

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  • Two pairs of seats to watch the Flyers/Oilers on Saturday.
    Row 23 seats 1,2 and seats 5.6  with club access courtesy of Nation reader VK63!

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#1 RexHolez
December 23 2013, 12:28PM
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Please don't go to the game! I beg of you! Go enjoy your Christmas don't torture yourselves!!

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#2 redhot1
December 23 2013, 12:38PM
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Starting a rebuild after 3 first overall picks. Only in Edmonton

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#3 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 23 2013, 12:44PM
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You picked the Oil to win so they are doomed already

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#4 Bender
December 23 2013, 12:46PM
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Same players same problems.......a bunch of kids and a limp D-fence.

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#5 The real minnow
December 23 2013, 12:47PM
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Any chance that Eakins could get the axe on Wednesday morning and have coach Kruger back for Friday? Miracle on 118th ave? (That doesn't involve any bodily fluid transaction)

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#6 Constance
December 23 2013, 12:48PM
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YAY!!!

Here is Oilers management apologist in chief Jason Gregor looking for his chance to get hired on with CHED. Its all part of the plan people !! Stay patient. Man up Gregor, Terry Jones and Robin B. are both saying the tough hard facts today while you continue to make excuses and say the easy things that Edmonton media has done for far too long.

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#7 Bucknuck
December 23 2013, 12:54PM
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Well, I hope they give us a Christmas present and win tonight. That's what I want for Christmas.

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#8 oilabroad
December 23 2013, 12:54PM
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we have two types of fans, and the ones that pay to go to the games should be allowed to throw their jersey on the ice...

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#9 Quintana
December 23 2013, 12:57PM
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So its Jersey on ice tonight?

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#10 Tychxxx
December 23 2013, 12:59PM
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Let's keep shelling out our money and go to the games and watch a team in a rebuild for the last four years? This team has been a disappointment for longer then that!! Maybe you should take a seat beside management next time they tell us to be patient. You can all hold hands and sing songs of better days to come. Been listening to that tune for way to long.

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#11 Rama Lama
December 23 2013, 01:00PM
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I think that the fans ( not a collective) have been misjudged by the various media reporting on the Oilers.

If I were a betting man, I would say the fans do not believe that we have the right management to make player selection decisions required to surround the core with complementary players.

We have dithered away opportunity after opportunity to get bigger, larger, defensively sound players over players like Yakupov........more of the same. Nurse was the first good defenceman we drafted, good on Mac T for picking that player.

We have decided to build from the front to the back the exact opposite of what good teams do and this has not been well received by the fans.

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#12 Pucker
December 23 2013, 01:00PM
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Rebuild, or whatever it is - fine.

I don't believe the fans are expecting wins as much as they are hoping for effort. Or apparent effort anyway.

Maybe they're trying and they're just terrible but it looks to me the other team puts in much more effort.

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#13 The Real Scuba Steve
December 23 2013, 01:02PM
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Oiler fans are not going to wait 10 years to compete for a playoff spot like Chicago. Unless Katz does a fire sale on his management.

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#14 -30-
December 23 2013, 01:06PM
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You're shouting into a hurricane Gregor. Too many fans are overly emotional and reactionary when it comes to "their" team.

You're the only sense of reason in all of Edmonton sport media.

Great read.

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#15 Taylor
December 23 2013, 01:07PM
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The Oilers TV Radio and Internet talent are turning into Fox News. They're starting to spin it as good as O'reily and Hannitty do. Please fire someone Mr. Katz to show the fans that there efforts and money are valued by the string pulling puppeteers that control this mess.

DO SOMETHING

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#16 Mjolnir
December 23 2013, 01:09PM
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How is throwing a jersey bush league?? I'm sure if the oilers could show up for more than ten minutes a game people would keep their clothes on. It's time for the players to start showing more respect to the team than the fans do.

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#17 nick
December 23 2013, 01:09PM
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Got to love the spin you put on this Sh*t show Gregor. You sure aren't a part of Stauffer's apoligist crew.

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#18 Zamboni Driver
December 23 2013, 01:10PM
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redhot1 wrote:

Starting a rebuild after 3 first overall picks. Only in Edmonton

...so far.

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#19 bulldog12
December 23 2013, 01:10PM
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Great minds think alike. I did the research on Chicago last night because I was tired of all the band wagon jumpers and stupid comments. Chicago made the playoffs ONCE in TEN years. Before you make more stupid comments,read this article again and again until it sinks in. This rebuild is in year FOUR. I agree if MacT, Kevin Lowe and Katz deviate from the original plan it will be an even longer process. Cut Eakins some slack to, the players have to take a step back before they can go forward. Hind site is a beautiful thing and that's what most of you guys rely on when making comments about trades and adding free agents.

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#22 Fresh Mess
December 23 2013, 01:16PM
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Congratulations. You're the new Leaf fans. World class city surely to follow.....

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#23 Batfink
December 23 2013, 01:26PM
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Jersey? Sure.

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#24 DoubleTap
December 23 2013, 01:30PM
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Sorry Gregor but you're wrong. If a fan who paid money to purchase a jersey decides to throw it away and onto the ice, that is their choice.

Just because you're not willing to give up on Klowe after years of his incompetence doesn't deny a fans right to protest.

I think this fan should be appllauded for doing what he wanted with his property. Same as Kattz gets to do with his team; keeping his buddies in management positions far beyond what is rationale.

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#25 JJ
December 23 2013, 01:32PM
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You know what the problem is with NHL hockey players in general..

How do you motivate a bunch of disinterested early 20 year olds who's millions of dollars have already been guaranteed to them and they have nothing monetary to work towards?

I wish pro-sports contracts didn't work like that. If I'm lousy at my job and don't put in the effort, I'm fired. These kids? They are serenaded all the same and finish the night off partying in some bars.

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#27 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 23 2013, 01:38PM
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All Eakins should have publicly said about the Jersey being thrown was " I understand their frustration. The fans pay the freight and have a right to safely display their displeasure" and left it at that. But instead he ran his mouth and there will be some fallout. Idiotic thing to say. But he was hired by an idiot.

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#28 Constance
December 23 2013, 01:39PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I said Oilers asked for this, but likely didn't think it would be this hard. They made the mistake of comparing themselves to the best possible scenario, and likely didn't focus enough on how it could easily go the other way.

Try reading it again. Never apologized once.

It is rare for teams to rebuild in a short period of time. The problem is i'm not sure the Oilers truly understood how hard the journey would be. Did they expect this much losing? If so, why did they change coaches every year? It is fair to question if they truly had a plan, and it is more than fair to question whether they have the fortitude or smarts to follow it through and make the correct decisions to become a winner.

Is that apologizing for them? If so, then I believe we have a different understanding of the word.

Jason, firstly I dont know why someone went and edited out my comments about how great Stauffer used to be. Second: Has you (or anyone else in the Edmonton Main Stream Media (aka Fox News Oilers)) questioned how Kevin Lowe was able to get his buddy a GM job a few years after firing him from being the Head Coach... we know MacT couldnt get a half decent job with any other organization in this league and they walk him into a GM job here... WOW!!!!

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#29 gm_armchair
December 23 2013, 01:42PM
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Rebuild is only half way over, the team is in a thousand times better position today than 4 yrs ago. Team is slowly being built not to just squeek into playoffs but to contend for cup for a very long time year after year. Oilers could trade their top end talent for a bunch of B level talent but then theyre team would be no better than the early 2000s Oilers.

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#30 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 23 2013, 01:43PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Your ticket says you can't throw things on the ice. Paying for a product doesn't give you freedom to act how ever you want. Sorry it doesn't.

Where did I say Lowe should stay on? I have no personal gain if he stays or goes, and I've said many times he is the only constant so it is safe to assume he is more part of the problem than the solution.

However, I don't think one person will make that drastic of a change. The organization has many areas it needs to improve on. Start with Lowe, sure, but understand more needs to happen than firing one man for this team to win.

Firing Lowe may have an effect right away in that it will show that there is actual accountability in this organization. Won't make the players better but it may show them that tjhere are actual consequences to failure. But they see that the head guy who loses keeps his job. They even bring back people who didn't help win before.

you are correct that it wont change the steaming pile we have for a team but maybe it will pick up the motivation.

Lowe needs to go because he is an abominable hockey man and so all players coaches and management types know that if they don't perform there will no longer be a free pass.

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#31 JJ
December 23 2013, 01:43PM
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Eakins needs to be more assertive with these kids.. If someone isn't putting in the effort, or quitting after the first 20 minutes, they need to be held accountable. Maybe he could be like hartman from full metal jacket..

"Are you quitting on me? Well, are you? Then quit, you slimy ****ing walrus-looking pieces of ****! Get the **** off of my skating rink!"

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#32 DoubleTap
December 23 2013, 01:45PM
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@Jason Gregor

But your argument wasn't that it is wrong because the ticket says not to. It was based on the premise that throwing a jersey is disrespectful and I disagree with that. I'm sure the fan was escorted out by security for his actions.

My point is, what the action symbolizes and the protest behind it is valid. You didn't directly state that you wanted Lowe to stay, and I agree much more needs to be done, but you obviously don't think that the incompetence shown by the management and ownership warrants this form of protest. I believe it does, regardless what the fine print on a ticket might say. This is where I disagree with you.

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#33 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 23 2013, 01:49PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Your ticket says you can't throw things on the ice. Paying for a product doesn't give you freedom to act how ever you want. Sorry it doesn't.

Where did I say Lowe should stay on? I have no personal gain if he stays or goes, and I've said many times he is the only constant so it is safe to assume he is more part of the problem than the solution.

However, I don't think one person will make that drastic of a change. The organization has many areas it needs to improve on. Start with Lowe, sure, but understand more needs to happen than firing one man for this team to win.

Do you believe that the fans in Detroit should be thrown out for the Octupus on the ice? During the fluke cup run here were you horrified that the steak was thrown on the ice? Did you immediatly call the cops?

When a hat trick gets scored do you get nervous that a riot squad will appear to deal with all the miscreants and vandals who are not living up to the obligation of what their ticket says?

Good Grief

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#34 Hangin@Bangin
December 23 2013, 01:51PM
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@JasonGregor

Jason,

I know I have called you an Oilers apologist in the past over some of your articles and your rebuttle every time is that you need to focus on other aspects because slamming this franchise every week is too neanderthal like and short sided. I think that this market has wore on you and like any other person in sport it's time for a change of scenery. Like the Joe Thorntons and Jeff Carters of the world a change of pace may do wonders for your career. Maybe you should venture a resume the way of the Blackhawks or Penguins you seem to be so knowledgable about. Your campy pitches of patience and belief in the bigger picture are too much to handle anymore.

You are the one with the voice to the fans of this team, albeit not usually the voice of reason, but you can help spread the word that without fans staying away nothing will change. Katz has doubled his profits with this club in pure futility so do you think he's stressed? He will gladly continue making bank and it will become someone elses problem in a few years.

The Oilers haven't been rebuilding according to you longer than 4 seasons and your entitled to your belief with that one. The Hawks were miserable for 10 years and I'm okay with that too. But the once mighty Oil have been disgraceful for too many years to count. Since 2000-2001 the Oilers have made the playoffs 3 of those 12 seasons and have finished better than 8th once when they finished 6th. The claim to fame being one miracle run the the finals from a magical 8th seed. 8th turns into a winner once and about never so K Lowe and the rest of the Oiler apologists need to stop hanging onto the idea that they "built" a winner because what they built is a disaster with no end in sight.

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#35 Wintoon
December 23 2013, 01:51PM
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I cannot believe the arrogance of some of the posters. The Oilers are a bad hockey team right now but they are moving in the right direction overall. Have they improved as much and as fast as we all hoped? No they haven't. Unfortunately everyone seems to think building a winner is easy. It is not. Patience is required and even then a perennial powerhouse is not guaranteed. Almost every NHL team has smart men working for them but very few teams actually achieve any form of greatness. I am confident that if MacT has an opportunity to make a bold move that helps the team he will. Until then, show some class, be humble and support the team. Listening to the haters is bad enough. Having to listen to Oiler fans whine is disgusting.

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#36 Chainsawz
December 23 2013, 01:51PM
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Does anyone have hard evidence that deviating from Lowe's rebuild plan will further the losing for even longer? Seems like a weird thing to say.

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#37 Drowning in Oil
December 23 2013, 01:52PM
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I AM SO, SO, SO SICK OF LISTENING TO BOB STAUFFER FLAP HIS LIPS ABOUT HOW SUPPORTIVE HE IS WITH EVERYTHING THIS MANAGEMENT SAYS OR DOES. HOW CHED KEEPS THAT ONE SIDED, COMMUNIST TRASH ON THE AIR IS UNBELEIEVABLE....... SERIOUS GORD, YOU SHOULD TAKE OVER THAT SHOW!! SECONDLY, EAKINS COMMENTS ABOUT THE JERSEY ON THE ICE WERE APPAULING. HE IS A CLOWN AND THIS MANAGEMENT TEAM IS THE BIGGEST JOKE IN SPRTS TODAY!!!

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#38 ColourMeImpressed
December 23 2013, 01:53PM
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Have you guys watched the pre-game stuff on the Oilers site? Hall and Eakins in particular I thought were talking sense. Not just saying the right things, but saying them with conviction.

I've been as negative about this team lately as anyone, but with Christmas coming around the corner and a long break ahead of us, we owe it to ourselves and the kids on the ice to give them a good cheer, some support. Agree as I might with the guy who threw his jersey on the ice in disgust, I don't want to send the team a bad message for them to brood on over Christmas.

I'm going to cheer hard tonight, and here's why:

Even in the midst of this terrible losing streak, the Oilers have given it their best, night in, night out. On nights where they haven't been on a back-to-back, they've outshot better teams and outplayed them at times.

They're not quitting, and neither should we.

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#39 Rheal1 "Ontario Oilers Fan"
December 23 2013, 01:54PM
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Not asking for much. Please Oilers get your collective $@#% together and get us a great win tonight. Please.

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#40 YAKCITY64
December 23 2013, 01:56PM
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Gregor,

I have listened to you since 790 I think and have always respected your opinion. I think you have had a level headed approach to most things but really are you even wasting your words comparing this sad sack bunch to anything that closely resembles the Pens or the Hawks. This sounds to me like Katz and the boys have bought you too. Sad Sad Day.

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#41 Zamboni Driver
December 23 2013, 01:56PM
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@Wintoon

I think the only thing I'm more tired of than losing repeatedly is this nonsense.

I'm so much more evolved as a fan. *I* understand that it's a long process, you dullards do not. There is progress...blah blah blah...

Dude.

Did you actually WATCH Saturday night's game?

Happy with being in second last place (only because Buffalo is seemingly tanking on purpose) after finishing last two years in a row two of the last three years? LAST PLACE.

And this year....not 29th place. SECOND LAST.

Take your sanctimony and shove it, respectfully.

And Happy Festivus

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#42 bobo
December 23 2013, 01:56PM
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Are people seriously saying throwing the jersey on the ice is bush league and disrespectful? This organization is bush league and disrespectful for their god awful performances night in and out. I as a fan am done for the year. I go to Oilernation a fraction of what I used to, I walk right by oilers gear in sports stores, I have retired my oilers ball caps and have switched to baseball and nfl teams. I have an old Oilers knock off jersey that I bought from China for $20 and if I was going tonight and they put up another performance like the last one, god damn right would I throw it on the ice. I would aim for the Oilers bench.

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#43 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
December 23 2013, 01:57PM
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I watch a lot of porn. This year to cope with the Oilers, I started watching porn during the games. Last game it hit me: there is no difference between the Oiler games and porn. They both involve a bunch of pu$$ies getting f*#&ed! There might be a little more sucking in the Oiler games though...maybe..

WOW! I think I needs me some professional help.

PS: Go OIlers!

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#46 Drowning in Oil
December 23 2013, 02:03PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

For accuracy MacT quit. And since he has the Oilers have been even worse so maybe he wasnt as bad a coach as some said. He had crap teams mainly.

Lowe was asked about MacT credentials at time he was hired. Do you think he should be asked about it every day?

Mact had been on job for 8 months... you can hate the hire, buy you or I can't say if it was good or bad at this point. Too early to tell. Questioning Lowe is fair and it had been done but owner is tight with him. I doubt that changes when he keeps making millions.

Wow Gregor, 8 month..... Isn't that a longer time on the job than Kruger had? He wasn't given " a chance". What a load of crap.

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#47 Sizzay
December 23 2013, 02:03PM
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Good on the guy who threw the jersey! How about the entire oilers management put a competitive on ice product then maybe you bunch of idiots will get some respect.

Nice to see yakupov on the 4th line! They are ruining him. Can't wait for him to get traded and score 30 a year for the next 10 seasons. Yakupovs skill didn't disappear overnight, this isn't looking to be a good environment for the kid.

Gagner has been the worst oiler. Trade him and maybe bring in some actual help.

I've seen some dumb plays from Schultz hall and ebs. Why aren't they on the fourth line or bottom pairing?

Suck bad for ekblad!

This team is the new maple leafs.

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#48 Rheal1 "Ontario Oilers Fan"
December 23 2013, 02:05PM
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Is Ron Low available to come back?

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#49 Chris.
December 23 2013, 02:05PM
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Just listened to Stauffer on the radio and I'm so furious I'm vibrating... His take: Eakins and MacTavish haven't even had a full year yet so we need to be patient.

Remember when we missed the playoffs in 2007 and we needed to be patient because we were re-tooling after Pronger left..?..

And then we missed the playoffs in 2008 and we needed to be patient because we had to let our exciting young core of Nilsson, Cogliano and Gagner grow and mature..??..

And then we missed the playoffs in 2009 but we had to be patient because Tambellini had only been general manager for one season..????..

And then in 2010 we finished last and missed the playoffs but we were going to need to be patient because we were just now starting a rebuild for the very first time with the Hall pick...?????..

And then in 2011 we finished last and missed the playoffs but still needed to be more patient because we were still by Stauffer's math in the first year of a rebuild..??????..

And then in 2012 we finished second last and missed the playoffs but needed to be patient because we were in the second year of a rebuild... and we had a brand new coach..???????..

And in 2013 we finished 24th and missed the playoffs but we no longer had to be to patient because our brand new General Manager is an "impatient guy" who predicted "some pretty immediate growth and change"..????????..

In 2014 we are trending towards our worst season in franchise history and Stauffer has the nerve to trot out the excuse that MacTavish and Eakins deserve MORE TIME??????????

More time for a coach that is stupid enough to call a frustrated fan a quitter and then quote a never quit the fight mantra one day after his team folded the tent after going down by only 2 goals in the second period of a nationally televised game?

More time for a GM who fired the last coach after only 48 games... a GM who is such a good evaluator of talent that he said his 2008/2009 team was the most skilled group he ever worked with and figured they would challenge for the division... and when that didn't happen; he quit? After years of high picks this team is a poorer functioning mirror of the 2008/2009 team that was filled with too many small, soft, perimeter type players to seriously compete for anything meaningful in the Western Conference... We are going in circles!

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#50 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 23 2013, 02:09PM
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Sizzay wrote:

Good on the guy who threw the jersey! How about the entire oilers management put a competitive on ice product then maybe you bunch of idiots will get some respect.

Nice to see yakupov on the 4th line! They are ruining him. Can't wait for him to get traded and score 30 a year for the next 10 seasons. Yakupovs skill didn't disappear overnight, this isn't looking to be a good environment for the kid.

Gagner has been the worst oiler. Trade him and maybe bring in some actual help.

I've seen some dumb plays from Schultz hall and ebs. Why aren't they on the fourth line or bottom pairing?

Suck bad for ekblad!

This team is the new maple leafs.

Yakupov should be in the AHL given his maturity and compete levels. He should be thanking his lucky stars (and his agent) that he's cashing an NHL paycheque right now.

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