GDB: 38.0: OILERS WANTED THIS...

Jason Gregor
December 23 2013 12:23PM

 

The Oilers asked for this.

During the past few seasons members of the Oilers management have made references to wanting to build their team in the same vain as Chicago and Pittsburgh. I have no idea if they will ever have the same success as those two franchises, but right now they are emulating the struggles and lack of success that both those franchises endured before becoming two of the best teams in the NHL.

I've cautioned people who only looked at the rebuilds of Chicago and Pittsburgh as blueprints for the Oilers, because the harsh reality is that for every Chicago there are two franchises like Columbus or Atlanta/Winnipeg, and for every Pittsburgh there is a Florida and the New York Islanders.

It was great for the Oilers to aspire to be like the Blackhawks and Penguins, but that was always the "best case scenario."

Many readers won't want to read this, but the truth remains this is only year four of the Oilers rebuild. The previous four seasons were not part of the rebuild. They were four seasons of bad management. That doesn't excuse the Oilers, specifically Kevin Lowe who has been here for all eight years, but if you are someone who was in favour of the rebuild in 2010 then you have to accept the harsh reality of the current timeline.

It is rare for teams to rebuild in a short period of time. The problem is i'm not sure the Oilers truly understood how hard the journey would be. Did they expect this much losing? If so, why did they change coaches every year? It is fair to question if they truly had a plan, and it is more than fair to question whether they have the fortitude or smarts to follow it through and make the correct decisions to become a winner.

When the Oilers management suggested they wanted to follow in the footsteps of the Hawks and Penguins, I wonder if they knew exactly what that entailed? Did they know that the Blackhawks made the playoffs once in ten seasons between 1998 and 2008?

The Hawks didn't have a few years of losing; they had a decade of it.

1998: 9th worst record. Drafted 8th (Mark Bell) after a deal with Toronto
1999: 7th worst record. Won lottery, moved up to 4th spot, then traded that pick for Bryan McCabe and the 11th pick in 2000. McCabe played one season in Chicago before being dealt to Toronto for Alex Karpotvsev and a pick.
2000: 8th worst record. Picked 10th, due to Minnesota and Columbus entering league, and selected Mikhail Yakubov 10th and used the 11th pick on Pavel Vorobiev. 
2001: 9th worst record and they selected Tuomo Ruutu 9th.
2002: Made the playoffs. Finished 5th in the west, four points ahead of 9th. Their top six scoring forward were there in 2001 and Jocelyn Thibault was the starter both years, but they added Phil Housley and Jon Klemm on the blueline. They were #2 and #3 in TOI behind Boris Mironov. They made a very smart pick in the 2nd round selecting Duncan Keith 45th overall.
2003: 14th worst record. They selected Brent Seabrook. They took Corey Crawford in the 2nd round and Dustin Byfuglien in the 9th.
2004: 2nd worst record. Washington won the lottery so the Hawks dropped to 3rd and picked Cam Barker after missing out on Ovechkin and Malkin. The Hawks had 17 draft picks that year and took Dave Bolland 32nd, Bryan Bickell 41st and Troy Brouwer 214th. 
2005: No season, but they picked 7th after the lottery and took Jack Skille. They chose Niklas Hjalmarsson 108th overall.
2006: 3rd worst record. They happily took Jonathan Toews at #3.
2007: 5th worst record. They won the lottery and took Patrick Kane first overall. (Sidenote, the Oilers never would have gotten Kane. Had they lost their final game of the season to the Flames they would have finished with the 4th worst record not the fifth.)
2008: 11th worst record. Took Kyle Beach with the 11th pick.

During the first half of that decade of losing none of the Hawks top picks made an impact in Chicago, however, between 2002-2007 the foundation of their team was built through the draft. Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Keith, Hjalmarsson, Crawford, Bickell, Bolland, Brouwer and Byfuglien were all key players in one or both of their Stanley Cup victories.

However, it wasn't like they planned to go from being a playoff team in 2002, to missing out by one point in 2003 to being a bottom three team in 2004, 2006 and 2007. You can make a strong argument that their most important decision came from a stroke of luck; winning the draft lottery.

Toews is the heart and soul of that team, but Kane is his deadly sidekick, and I don't see them winning the Cup without Kane. You need some luck and good fortune along the way to win a Cup, but to become a consistent contender you need to build the majority of the key pieces via the draft.

The Oilers have an excellent chance of mirroring the Hawks decade of losing, but they will be hard pressed to go from being a bottom feeder to a Cup contender like the Hawks, because no two paths to Cup success are the same.

The Oilers don't have a Keith or Seabrook right now. You can argue that Petry could be their Hjalmarsson and Eberle was an outstanding pick at #22, but other than a long stretch of losing, I've never made the direct comparison between the two organizations.

The Hawks stunk for a decade, and if Bill Wirtz hadn't passed away in the fall of 2007, I wonder if the Hawks would have had the same success. Wirtz was a very generous man who donated millions of dollars to the Boys and Girls Clubs and other charities, but he was incredibly frugal when it came to the Blackhawks. For years he wouldn't show Blackhawks' home games on television. He alienated his fans to the point that when the Blackhawks held a moment of silence in his honour prior to a game in October of 2007 some fans booed.

The Hawks success was a combination of good drafting, some lottery luck and a change in leadership.

Will the Oilers do the same?

WHAT ABOUT PITTSBURGH?

Most people know that the Penguins had five consecutive top-five picks between 2002-2006, but prior to those five lean years the Penguins were a great organization.

The Penguins made the playoffs for 11 consecutive seasons before missing them in 2002. Jaromir Jagr entered the NHL in 1990/1991 and that is when the Penguins 11-year streak began. They also had some guy named Mario Lemieux who was also pretty good.

Jagr came in when their run started, and when he was traded on July 11th, 2001that marked the beginning of their five years in suckville.

The Penguins made it to the conference finals in 2001, losing 4-1 to New Jersey, but Jagr was traded that summer and Lemieux only played 26 games in 2002.

2002: 5th worst record. They drafted Ryan Whitney. They also selected Max Talbot 234th overall.
2003: 2nd worst record. Florida won the lottery and had the first pick. The Penguins had the 3rd choicel, and they moved that pick along with the 55th pick (Stefan Meyer) and Mikael Samuelsson to Florida for the 1st and 73rd pick (Daniel Carcillo).The Penguins took Marc-Andre Fleury first overall.
2004: Worst record in the NHL. Washington won the lottery and picked first, (Ovechkin) and the Penguins grabbed Evgeni Malkin at #2. They took Alex Goligoski 61st and Tyler Kennedy 99th.
2005: No season. The history of the Penguins changed due to luck. They won the lottery and had the pleasure of selecting Sidney Crosby. They chose Kris Letang 62nd that year as well.
2006: 2nd worst record. They selected Jordan Staal 2nd overall.

There is no Crosby in Edmonton, and on any other team for that matter, so it is very difficult for the Oilers to follow the Penguins' path to success. The Penguins drafted three centres, one goalie and a D-man who they used in a trade to acquire Chris Kunitz.

The Penguins went from being very good to terrible in the span of 10 months.

Their five-year drought was painful, but they got Crosby and Malkin; two of the top-five players in the NHL. It is impossible to match that blueprint. The Penguins also got an elite D-man in the 3rd round, similar to the Blackhawks landing Keith.

The Oilers are on pace to grab their 5th consecutive pick in the top-seven, and while that will put them on par with the draft positioning of the Penguins, it doesn't mean their five picks will be as impactful as the Penguins. Just like the Hawks, the Penguins caught a huge break by winning the lottery and selecting a dynamic and dominant player.

The Oilers have also won the lottery, but Nail Yakupov hasn't come close to matching the early success of Kane or Crosby. He likely will produce more in the future, but I don't ever see him being in the same category as those two players.

The one similarity that I do see unfolding with the Oilers, that we also saw in Pittsburgh and Chicago, will be trading away one of their top-five picks.

The Hawks moved Cam Barker for Kim Johnsson and Nick Leddy, while the Pens moved Whitney for Kunitz and after winning a Cup, they had to move (pending UFA) Staal for Brandon Sutter and Derrick Pouliot.

The Oilers are similar to the Penguins in their draft position, and are on the verge of being on par with the Blackhawks when it comes to a decade of losing. Now, it is up to MacTavish to see if he can build this team into a contender. They still have a lot of work to do.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

  • It is great to have a goal to strive for, but the I've always felt it was a bit of pipedream to believe you could emulate the road to success of the Penguins or Blackhawks. The fact is there is no guarantee of success in the NHL.
     
  • Having consecutive top-five picks should give you a good base, but only if you use the picks properly. Either you pick the best combination of players, or you pick the ones that you will be able to move for assets in the future. The Oilers aren't in a position to trade one of those picks today, but they will need to in the future.
     
  • The other difference between the Oilers and the Hawks and Penguins thus far is drafting depth outside of a top-ten pick. The Blackhawks built the depth of their team through the draft, and many of them were a bit more mature by the time Kane and Toews burst on the scene.
     
  • The Penguins surrounded their young players with productive and experienced players. In 2008 when they lost in the Cup final, they added Hal Gill, Pascal Dupuis and Marian Hossa. The next year when they won the Cup they acquired Kunitz, Bill Guerin and Craig Adams. The Oilers will need to make smart moves and acquire some veterans to support their young stars.
     
  • The Penguins Cup winning blueline consisted of draft picks, Letang, Rod Scuderi (134th pick, 1998) and Brooks Orpik (18th, 2000), acquired Gill and two free agent signings in Sergie Gonchar (2005) and Mark Eaton (2006).
     
  • The Hawks also had three drafted D-men on their blueline in Keith, Seabrook and Hjalmarsson.
     
  • The only drafted D-man the Oilers curently have on the roster is Petry. We expect Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse and possibly Martin Marincin to play in the future, but if the Oilers are going to succeed then one of those three will need to be an impact player within three seasons. That is a lot to ask of a young D-man.
     
  • If I had to pick, I'd say the Oilers have a better chance of following the Penguins path than the Blackhawks, strictly because the Hawks D-men were more mature than their forwards when they won. The Penguins went out and signed a veteran top-pairing D-man in Gonchar, which is a more realistic option for the Oilers. They either trade for one this summer or try and sign one via free agency this summer.
     
  • Trading or signing an elite D-man is going to be extremely difficult. If they don't go that route, I don't see how this team can take the steps needed to becoming a competitive team.
     
  • I understand the frustration amongst Oilers fans. You are sick of watching a losing product, and you should be. However, the Oilers haven't been rebuilding for eight years. From 2007-2010 they tried being competitive, but they failed. They made some questionable trades and free agent signings, and the only reason they actually went into a rebuild was due to numerous injuries to key players during the 2009/2010 season. They didn't plan to rebuild, it just unfolded that way.
     
  • That doesn't excuse Kevin Lowe, far from it, but the biggest mistake the Oilers could make today is to try and speed up the rebuild. If they need to fire someone within the organization to appease their fans, then they have to do it, but if they try to deviate from their original plan, or try and speed up the process, then there is a very good chance they will end up driving this team into an even longer cycle of losing. They have to see the process through, and accept that there might be some empty seats in the process. If they try to change the plan now, they likely will screw it up even worse.
     
  • Eakins was pretty fired up about the fan who threw his jersey on the ice. "That's a bunch of bull crap. Whoever through that jersey on the ice is a quitter and they're out. I never want our players to quit," said Eakins. Every sports team values the jersey, it is very symbolic and I see why the coach didn't like it. He was okay with fans booing, said his team deserved it, but the jersey was offside. I'm guessing this will be a hot topic amongst Oiler fans. Some I spoke to loved it, while others felt it was disrespectful to the jersey.
     
  • My personal opinion on it is this. Eakins is in a no win situation. They didn't need another distraction, although I'm guessing that was his plan. Have fans hate him, not the team.

    Also...If the fan who threw it is officially done with the Oilers, then he went out with a bang. If he threw it on the ice, but will be back watching them tonight then it was just a moment of dumb frustration and rather bushleague. You can be upset at the Oilers, yell at them because they haven't improved, demand that Lowe be fired. That is fair game. Tossing a jersey, or anything else on the ice, other than a hat after a hat trick, should not be applauded.

    I do believe many fans are fed up and likely won't go to any games or watch any until the Oilers improve, and if you are strong enough to stay away I tip my hat to you. I'm a diehard Dolphins fan, and my team has stunk for the most part of the past two decades, yet everytime I think I'm done with them they win a few games and I get sucked back in. It is very hard to stop cheering for a team, and if you are able to do it then you are stronger than me. Good on ya.

 LINEUP

It shouldn't matter who they play with, the entire team's focus should be about working hard and competing. If they don't instill that into their foundation this team will never improve. Eakins juggled his lines and came up with these new combos at practice yesterday.

Hall-RNH-Perron
Joensuu-Gagner-Eberle
Smyth-Gordon-Hemsky
Gazdic-Lander-Yakupov

Ference-J Schultz
Belov-Petry
N Schultz-Potter

Bryzgalov

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers worst game of the year was the 5-0 loss to Detroit. They rebounded three days later and beat Florida on the road. Tonight is different. They are at home and their fans are frothing at the mouth in frustration. If they have any pride they will put forth a good effort. If they don't, the fans won't hold back their displeasure. The Oilers avoid a raucous round of boos with a 4-3 win.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers announce a sell out, but there will be some empty seats. Whether they are paid for or not, the message should be clear to the Oilers; patience is wearing thin amongst Oiler fans.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The powerplay doesn't give up a good scoring chance.
 

DAY 16: MONTH OF GIVING...

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#101 Sliderule
December 23 2013, 04:29PM
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The jersey on the ice was awesome.

It's a symbol of oiler fan frustration with the oiler management.

It's a final blowout against the arrogance of Lowe and the nepotism in their scouting and coaching.

The problem is at the very top.

Deal with that and it will work out.

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#102 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 04:29PM
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Wintoon wrote:

I cannot believe the arrogance of some of the posters. The Oilers are a bad hockey team right now but they are moving in the right direction overall. Have they improved as much and as fast as we all hoped? No they haven't. Unfortunately everyone seems to think building a winner is easy. It is not. Patience is required and even then a perennial powerhouse is not guaranteed. Almost every NHL team has smart men working for them but very few teams actually achieve any form of greatness. I am confident that if MacT has an opportunity to make a bold move that helps the team he will. Until then, show some class, be humble and support the team. Listening to the haters is bad enough. Having to listen to Oiler fans whine is disgusting.

Arrogance my A$$. The oilers are on track to finish with their worst record ever. This after seven years of miserable hockey. Being upset and demanding change is not arrogance - it's rage at incompetence.

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#103 sizedoesmatter
December 23 2013, 04:42PM
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Throwing the jersey on the ice was disrespectful And might have caught the oilers managements attention but It also Is a slap to the face of all the Oilers who wore that sweater. Gretztky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Dave semenko,Dave hunter on and on all the moments that this team that has brought me so much pride and joy over the years. This current version of the Oilers Is struggling. but don't think throwing the jersey is the same as booing It just makes me sad

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#104 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 04:45PM
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Drowning in Oil wrote:

I AM SO, SO, SO SICK OF LISTENING TO BOB STAUFFER FLAP HIS LIPS ABOUT HOW SUPPORTIVE HE IS WITH EVERYTHING THIS MANAGEMENT SAYS OR DOES. HOW CHED KEEPS THAT ONE SIDED, COMMUNIST TRASH ON THE AIR IS UNBELEIEVABLE....... SERIOUS GORD, YOU SHOULD TAKE OVER THAT SHOW!! SECONDLY, EAKINS COMMENTS ABOUT THE JERSEY ON THE ICE WERE APPAULING. HE IS A CLOWN AND THIS MANAGEMENT TEAM IS THE BIGGEST JOKE IN SPRTS TODAY!!!

Not sure if you got a chance to hear my call this aft but I wholeheartedly agree that Eakins comments were repugnant in the extreme and he should be ordered by MacT to publically apologize. Incredibly insentitive remarks that slag all oilers fans who are frustrated with the depths that this team has fallen to.

As for bob I greatly admire the job he does. He has managed to become a media franchise - no easy feat. And he bleeds copper and blue as much as anyone - you could hear it in his voice when i was talking to him this aft.

That said I was very surprised by two things talking to bob:

1. He did not know that the oilers were solidly on track to finish with the worst record in oilers history. He stumbled around a bit but the facts torpedo had hit below decks - with this unprecedented half season change - very big change - is merited. And he knows that the only move that will get the fans to put down the pitchforks is to fire LOWE.

2. He also was not aware that the jersey tosser had been found and interviewed by terry jones. Those comments reveal that the fan is at the end of his rope - not a quitter. And bob really seems tone deaf if he doesn't see that the jersey tossing is far more than the act of one fan - but deeply symbolic of what this teams fanbase is feeling right now.

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#105 Spydyr
December 23 2013, 04:45PM
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sizedoesmatter wrote:

Throwing the jersey on the ice was disrespectful And might have caught the oilers managements attention but It also Is a slap to the face of all the Oilers who wore that sweater. Gretztky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Dave semenko,Dave hunter on and on all the moments that this team that has brought me so much pride and joy over the years. This current version of the Oilers Is struggling. but don't think throwing the jersey is the same as booing It just makes me sad

You know what makes me sad?

That it has come to this.Fans have had enough. This man just spoke up for many of us. For that I thank him.It has been the only "bold move" I have seen this year.

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#106 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 04:46PM
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sizedoesmatter wrote:

Throwing the jersey on the ice was disrespectful And might have caught the oilers managements attention but It also Is a slap to the face of all the Oilers who wore that sweater. Gretztky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Dave semenko,Dave hunter on and on all the moments that this team that has brought me so much pride and joy over the years. This current version of the Oilers Is struggling. but don't think throwing the jersey is the same as booing It just makes me sad

Then those oilers - if they are true oilers should be calling for lowes head too.

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#107 Will
December 23 2013, 04:52PM
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Sliderule wrote:

The jersey on the ice was awesome.

It's a symbol of oiler fan frustration with the oiler management.

It's a final blowout against the arrogance of Lowe and the nepotism in their scouting and coaching.

The problem is at the very top.

Deal with that and it will work out.

I agree, all this stuff about how fans need to respect the jersey and crap, boourns to that. Official sell out streak during the course of the worst years in franchise history, clearly the organization stopped respecting the fans a long time ago. It was a great symbol of someone saying I am not purchasing your product anymore until you start making a better quality product. I wish we could do this with all consumer products against all companies who begin to just crank out lower quality products while maintaining high prices.

Good for whoever did that.

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#108 westcoastoil
December 23 2013, 05:06PM
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Bottom line is if Lowe & Katz respected the jersey as much as the fans, and more than their egos, the team wouldn't be in the mess that it is.

I'll give Eakins and MacT a pass because you can't expect them to clean up this debacle in a matter of months.

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#109 papler
December 23 2013, 05:07PM
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sizedoesmatter wrote:

Throwing the jersey on the ice was disrespectful And might have caught the oilers managements attention but It also Is a slap to the face of all the Oilers who wore that sweater. Gretztky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Dave semenko,Dave hunter on and on all the moments that this team that has brought me so much pride and joy over the years. This current version of the Oilers Is struggling. but don't think throwing the jersey is the same as booing It just makes me sad

To be honest, I don' get this thing about respect for the jersey. It's an overpriced piece of garment. And making a link to the great players of the past and stating that this is disrespectful towards them is quite a stretch imho.

I find it a lot more disrespectful how some players show a complete indifference to the state the team is in. Do they bust their asses off every night? No. We can see them float around and make fancy plays. THAT is disrespectful.

that being said, should the team be pissed off about that jersey on the ice? Hell yes. Should they take it personal? Absolutely! And then they should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask themselves why that jersey landed on the ice. And maybe, just maybe, they realize that it's the fans, who pay a lot of money to see them play, that should get some more respect from the players...

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#110 Rama Lama
December 23 2013, 05:09PM
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I wonder how many jerseys get thrown out on the ice........when does the fire Lowe chant get so loud that Katz can no longer ignore this?

It's coming and probably tonight ........if there is a hockey god, then let Lowe get fired.

I'm good with that even if nothing else gets accomplished in the next year or so?

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#111 Gored 1970
December 23 2013, 05:10PM
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Jason, are you delusional?? To quote "but if they try to deviate from their original plan, or try and speed up the process, then there is a very good chance they will end up driving this team into an even longer cycle of losing" What was the original plan, to fire the General Manager and the coaches with great regularity? Admit it my friend - there is no plan. This franchise will have missed the playoffs for 8 years - was that the plan? Bill Belichik always drafted on the basis of what the Patriots need and they are winners. The Oilers, under the guidance of "6 rings Lowe", has drafted the best player available, regardless of team needs, and now have a bunch of players that play a similar style and they are whiners. Jeeze Louise, even a dumb-ass like me knows that every great scorer need someone to go into the corners and dig out the puck for them.

Also,Eakins' quote "That's a bunch of bull crap. Whoever through that jersey on the ice is a quitter and they're out. I never want our players to quit," is laughable. Is that idiot Eakins the only one that realizes that the Oilers have already quit on him, the fans and the rest of the season? After throwing the team under the bus game after game this little bouquet isn't going to get you back on the players Christmas list - you are dead in the water, Eakins.

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#112 He Who Knows
December 23 2013, 05:18PM
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I grew up watching the Dougie Weight Oilers and boy were those Oilers hardworking and always played with pride and respect to the crest. They were a tight knit group who always stood up for each other. I miss those guys so much, can't believe what we have become. Screw you Kevin Lowe!! Screw you!

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#113 Butters
December 23 2013, 05:18PM
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I just want to see an effort. Even the crappiest teams of Oiler's yore wouldn't have rolled over like these guys do.

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#114 Toro
December 23 2013, 05:24PM
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You buy me 6 rexall beers and I'll take package 4 off your hands.

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#115 madjam
December 23 2013, 05:31PM
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It's pretty pathetic when you get more satisfaction and thrills watching a Flames game than our own Oilers . Now , how many of you hockey fans are paying big dollars to basically see the other NHL clubs , rather than your own ? Same could be said for 2nd and 3rd tiered fans here . MacT. is responsible for this mess and only Katz's can probably pull the trigger .

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#116 ubermiguel
December 23 2013, 05:39PM
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Gregor, it's not about what year of the rebuild we're in, or draft picks or lottery wins; it's about watching millionaires not putting in 60 minutes of work game after game after game, year after year after year.

The stink of losing is hanging over this organization and it's going to take a mighty effort from someone to get rid of it. Hall needs to flip some tables; Ferrence needs to tear a strip out of guys that aren't trying; players need to hold themselves accountable for their own bad play and they need to hold each other accountable.

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#117 Oasis
December 23 2013, 05:44PM
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sizedoesmatter wrote:

Throwing the jersey on the ice was disrespectful And might have caught the oilers managements attention but It also Is a slap to the face of all the Oilers who wore that sweater. Gretztky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Dave semenko,Dave hunter on and on all the moments that this team that has brought me so much pride and joy over the years. This current version of the Oilers Is struggling. but don't think throwing the jersey is the same as booing It just makes me sad

This is crap. What's more disrespectful to former Oilers? Prima-Donna players making millions of dollars and mailing it in night after night or a fan who probably paid close to $300 for his gold club seat and is sick and tired of 8 years of the same crap?

If the jersey is so damn sacred then those players putting it on should show some pride. I don't care if they lose, but compete for crying out loud. If that jersey is so sacred than maybe these past players like Lowe wouldn't let the team sink this low.

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#118 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 05:45PM
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And my GDP:

Oilers 5-2. Fans go nuts. No jerseys and other detritus will be tossed.

But Calgary looms...

And the worst mid-season record in oilers history is already a fact.

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#119 Dave
December 23 2013, 05:54PM
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@Serious Gord

I wish that Serious Gord would give up on his attempted self promotion. He is just a media wannabe.

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#120 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 23 2013, 05:55PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

And my GDP:

Oilers 5-2. Fans go nuts. No jerseys and other detritus will be tossed.

But Calgary looms...

And the worst mid-season record in oilers history is already a fact.

i wanna believe that they can win. i really do.

Please?

For Christmas?

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#121 westcoastoil
December 23 2013, 05:57PM
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JG - re: your point on waiting for D to develop, take a quick glance at Victor Hedman in TB. He's a beast and will be a stud #1 for a decade to come. He has had a veteran team around him up front and on the back end and is now in his 4th year becoming an impact player.

Nurse, Klefbom aren't likely in his category of player and as such if they can start impacting the game in 3-4 years that in itself is an optimistic timeline.

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#122 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 05:59PM
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Eakins has tweeted a 'clarification' of his comments today. No apology anywhere - very similar to lowes non-apology after his six rings comments. so further evidence/confirmation that the oilers PR dept is just as inept as the team.

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#123 Chris.
December 23 2013, 06:00PM
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Bottom line is if Lowe & Katz respected the jersey as much as the fans, and more than their egos, the team wouldn't be in the mess that it is.

I'll give Eakins and MacT a pass because you can't expect them to clean up this debacle in a matter of months.

When Tambellini and Quinn were busy crashing the Oilers into last place many fans were saying, "You can't expect them to clean up Lowe's mess in just a few months..."

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#124 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 06:01PM
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Dave wrote:

I wish that Serious Gord would give up on his attempted self promotion. He is just a media wannabe.

Hardly.

1. I would suck at it.

2. I couldn't afford the paycut.

But thanks for listening and reading!!

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#125 Alsker
December 23 2013, 06:04PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Eakins has tweeted a 'clarification' of his comments today. No apology anywhere - very similar to lowes non-apology after his six rings comments. so further evidence/confirmation that the oilers PR dept is just as inept as the team.

Perhaps not, will we hear: "We didn't quit" as a chant instead of "Fire Lowe or Lowe must GO". Well played by the Klown PR guys.

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#126 vetinari
December 23 2013, 06:12PM
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Let's see, Oilers fan pack for an evening out at Rexall...

Pitchfork... Check

Torches... Check

Bottle of homemade Christmas cheer... Check

Poppa's best 'throwing jersey'... Check

Ready to go...

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#127 bulldog12
December 23 2013, 06:14PM
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You guys are taking this way to serious. Its sports. I bet it's starting to affect your family life and at work. Your wife's and coworkers are probably getting tired of your temper tantrums and ranting and raving. The Oilers, Eskimos and Blue Jays all suck. Nothing I can do about it but the sun comes up the next day. Suck it up, it can't get worse so it has to get better. Try laughing about it.

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#128 white towel
December 23 2013, 06:19PM
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@sizedoesmatter

No disrespect for the former players as they have proven themselfs in the past. What is the basis to show the current players the same? Most of these guys could not carry the equipment of a Hunter or a Lumley let alone skate on the same ice.

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#129 dvasteroid
December 23 2013, 06:41PM
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Ed in PV wrote:

Gregor

You are so far put of touch with the Oil fan base it's scary. Tossing a jersey after the game is over is completely different than concerns about tossing things on the ice during the game. If you can't understand this difference you are an idiot, and I don't think you are an idiot. Far from being "bush league" it was a profound expression.

As for Eakins calling the guy a quitter. A coach shouldn't pick a fight with the fans, he will always lose.

If the Oil lose again tonight I think we will see more than one jersey. If they lose badly we will see many.

If I were a suspicious type I might be concerned that TSN has told it's employees to go easy on the Oil as they would like to unseat CHED as the rights holder next time around and don't want to piss off the empire.

Here hoping for tsn to get rights to oiler broadcasting. ..any one but Quebecor/sun media! Yuck.

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#130 Rod from Viking
December 23 2013, 06:44PM
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@Serious Gord

What segment were you on Oiler's now in?

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#131 kale
December 23 2013, 07:13PM
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Oilers win tonight...if all of the fan backlash doesnt get them motivated nothing will. We shall see....

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#132 MessyEH!
December 23 2013, 07:18PM
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sizedoesmatter wrote:

Throwing the jersey on the ice was disrespectful And might have caught the oilers managements attention but It also Is a slap to the face of all the Oilers who wore that sweater. Gretztky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Dave semenko,Dave hunter on and on all the moments that this team that has brought me so much pride and joy over the years. This current version of the Oilers Is struggling. but don't think throwing the jersey is the same as booing It just makes me sad

The only ones shaming the jersey, are the losers on the ice. And the "Lowe lifes" who are selling us this garbage.

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#133 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 07:19PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

What segment were you on Oiler's now in?

1:00 today - starts at the 1:35 mark give or take.

Useful if only because Bob replays the entire eakins comment. Bob thinks it gives some kine of exoneration of what he said in the soundbite, but i think - and i think you will agree - he only digs a deeper hole.

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#134 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 23 2013, 07:19PM
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Chris. wrote:

When Tambellini and Quinn were busy crashing the Oilers into last place many fans were saying, "You can't expect them to clean up Lowe's mess in just a few months..."

Time to stop lowe from making the mess bigger. This will not be an easy fix but Lowe cant fix it. It is proven in his record. So why is he in charge of fixing it still?

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#135 kale
December 23 2013, 07:28PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

1:00 today - starts at the 1:35 mark give or take.

Useful if only because Bob replays the entire eakins comment. Bob thinks it gives some kine of exoneration of what he said in the soundbite, but i think - and i think you will agree - he only digs a deeper hole.

You did really well with that Gord...prior to that there was way too much spin going on...

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#136 Brian
December 23 2013, 07:32PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Eakins has tweeted a 'clarification' of his comments today. No apology anywhere - very similar to lowes non-apology after his six rings comments. so further evidence/confirmation that the oilers PR dept is just as inept as the team.

So what did he "tweet". I'm a non tweeter/tweetee.

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#137 @Oilanderp
December 23 2013, 07:32PM
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Wintoon wrote:

I cannot believe the arrogance of some of the posters. The Oilers are a bad hockey team right now but they are moving in the right direction overall. Have they improved as much and as fast as we all hoped? No they haven't. Unfortunately everyone seems to think building a winner is easy. It is not. Patience is required and even then a perennial powerhouse is not guaranteed. Almost every NHL team has smart men working for them but very few teams actually achieve any form of greatness. I am confident that if MacT has an opportunity to make a bold move that helps the team he will. Until then, show some class, be humble and support the team. Listening to the haters is bad enough. Having to listen to Oiler fans whine is disgusting.

Thanks bud. This bears repeating. It's bad enough watching my team going through these hard times but coming on here and reading all the incessant whining and complaining makes it worse.

Oops, before I blow my cover...

FIRE SOMEBODY! TRADE YAKUPOV FOR 4th LINE PLUGS! STATS R DUM! MAC T SUX: GAVE AWAY OMARK NOW WE CANT GET WEBER! FIRE HOWSON'S MOM!

Whew, that threw most of them off... oh crap there's a straggler!

*breathes through mouth*

Whew, I've avoided the group of dissatisfied Oilerfan zombies.... for now.

Anyway props man.

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#138 Bucknuck
December 23 2013, 07:41PM
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I keep waiting for them to turn a corner. I keep defending them. I keep hoping, and I keep cheering. I am a fan.

Now it's time to have something to cheer for. the turnaround begins tonight, Boys.

6-4 Oil win.

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#139 Bucknuck
December 23 2013, 07:44PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Well, I hope they give us a Christmas present and win tonight. That's what I want for Christmas.

Just wondering who would trash this comment, much less six people. So you guys don't want them to win? You are so bitter about the team that someone that says they want a win for Christmas and you TRASH it?

I don't get it.

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#140 Alsker
December 23 2013, 07:58PM
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Nice goal by Ebs from Hemmer but is Bryz taking pointers from DD?

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#141 vetinari
December 23 2013, 08:05PM
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Nice goal by Ebs from Hemmer but is Bryz taking pointers from DD?

Yeah, but the Jets goal started by a turnover in the neutral zone and then a guy or two missing their reads leaving a clear lane to shoot at Breezer.

When they pan the camera around the rink, it looks "less sold out" then usual. And I notice a lot less people wearing their jerseys.

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#142 outdoorzguy
December 23 2013, 08:05PM
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The guy will be dead before he has a chance to drop the puck at a Oiler playoff game!! Besides McTavish will be long gone and Lowe won't honor the promise.

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#143 Chainsawz
December 23 2013, 08:14PM
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I appreciate the effort tonight so far by Oilers.

They have responded better tonight after a statement from a fan than they ever have from anything Eakins has said.

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#144 vetinari
December 23 2013, 08:17PM
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I wondered if they would talk about "the jersey". MacT calling the guy is just basic damage control so that they could go on the air tonight and say, "look, we've kissed and made up". Eakins totally blew the interview and the broadcast crew is trying to spin as he's trying to take the heat off the team by taking it on himself. To use Eakins' words, "that's bull crap." He shot off his mouth first and now they have to do the clean up.

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#145 Rick Stroppel
December 23 2013, 08:24PM
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Wintoon wrote:

I cannot believe the arrogance of some of the posters. The Oilers are a bad hockey team right now but they are moving in the right direction overall. Have they improved as much and as fast as we all hoped? No they haven't. Unfortunately everyone seems to think building a winner is easy. It is not. Patience is required and even then a perennial powerhouse is not guaranteed. Almost every NHL team has smart men working for them but very few teams actually achieve any form of greatness. I am confident that if MacT has an opportunity to make a bold move that helps the team he will. Until then, show some class, be humble and support the team. Listening to the haters is bad enough. Having to listen to Oiler fans whine is disgusting.

PLEASE LET US FACE REALITY

"Moving in the right direction". In the last four years, last, last, second last, 20th. This year, probably 2nd or 3rd last. How exactly is this "moving in the right direction"?

"Show some class". You mean like MacTavish showed some class when he fired Ralph Krueger by skype? Ralph got 48 games, no training camp. Did he get a fair chance? Was that classy? Ralph had more class in his little finger than Lowe and MacTavish combined. BTW, how do you think that firing might affect other people in the NHL thinking about coming to work here?

"Be humble". You mean like Lowe? He does nothing but brag. Has he EVER acknowledged his mistakes? When he made his famous "six rings" speech, did he sound like a really humble, thoughtful guy who had learned from his mistakes? Or did he sound like an entitled, self-satisfied, arrogant jackbutt?

People who really know hockey know that this team and this franchise are the laughing stock of the league. Pointing that out is not "whining", it is telling the truth.

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#146 6 ring circus
December 23 2013, 08:26PM
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I am glad to see there's quite a few empty seats,two of them belong to me ,I stayed home to watch on tv ,even if the Oilers win tonight ,it does not change a thing ,both Lowe and Eakins are arrogant pr*cks and have lost the support, of the majority of the fan base.

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#147 BingBong
December 23 2013, 08:26PM
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Stinker given up by Bryz, but good effort from everybody so far. Hemmer really looks great.

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#148 Tuningout
December 23 2013, 08:37PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Just wondering who would trash this comment, much less six people. So you guys don't want them to win? You are so bitter about the team that someone that says they want a win for Christmas and you TRASH it?

I don't get it.

Not that I share this point of view. But I think there are lots of fans that are cheering for the Oilers to lose this game. Losing may create more negative emotion, a bit more negative emotion may cause a further uprising of fans, and an uprising may cause change in the organization. People may be worried that one win today may calm people down (christmas break too of course) and no change will happen. Short memories and all.

Or cheering for a loss to get a better draft pick, as usual. I mean at this point of the year what is the point of getting another win. Really there is no point whatsoever, it is completely and utterly meaningless. A bit of sarcasm here but also partially true.

Not really fair, but a reality.

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#149 Blue Paint
December 23 2013, 08:53PM
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Louis, just once call me my real name ...Crease. Try it with me, slowly: Crease

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#150 vetinari
December 23 2013, 08:57PM
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Blue Paint wrote:

Louis, just once call me my real name ...Crease. Try it with me, slowly: Crease

Louis fought a lot when he was playing and some words are now just forever lost to him...

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