GDB: 38.0: OILERS WANTED THIS...

Jason Gregor
December 23 2013 12:23PM

 

The Oilers asked for this.

During the past few seasons members of the Oilers management have made references to wanting to build their team in the same vain as Chicago and Pittsburgh. I have no idea if they will ever have the same success as those two franchises, but right now they are emulating the struggles and lack of success that both those franchises endured before becoming two of the best teams in the NHL.

I've cautioned people who only looked at the rebuilds of Chicago and Pittsburgh as blueprints for the Oilers, because the harsh reality is that for every Chicago there are two franchises like Columbus or Atlanta/Winnipeg, and for every Pittsburgh there is a Florida and the New York Islanders.

It was great for the Oilers to aspire to be like the Blackhawks and Penguins, but that was always the "best case scenario."

Many readers won't want to read this, but the truth remains this is only year four of the Oilers rebuild. The previous four seasons were not part of the rebuild. They were four seasons of bad management. That doesn't excuse the Oilers, specifically Kevin Lowe who has been here for all eight years, but if you are someone who was in favour of the rebuild in 2010 then you have to accept the harsh reality of the current timeline.

It is rare for teams to rebuild in a short period of time. The problem is i'm not sure the Oilers truly understood how hard the journey would be. Did they expect this much losing? If so, why did they change coaches every year? It is fair to question if they truly had a plan, and it is more than fair to question whether they have the fortitude or smarts to follow it through and make the correct decisions to become a winner.

When the Oilers management suggested they wanted to follow in the footsteps of the Hawks and Penguins, I wonder if they knew exactly what that entailed? Did they know that the Blackhawks made the playoffs once in ten seasons between 1998 and 2008?

The Hawks didn't have a few years of losing; they had a decade of it.

1998: 9th worst record. Drafted 8th (Mark Bell) after a deal with Toronto
1999: 7th worst record. Won lottery, moved up to 4th spot, then traded that pick for Bryan McCabe and the 11th pick in 2000. McCabe played one season in Chicago before being dealt to Toronto for Alex Karpotvsev and a pick.
2000: 8th worst record. Picked 10th, due to Minnesota and Columbus entering league, and selected Mikhail Yakubov 10th and used the 11th pick on Pavel Vorobiev. 
2001: 9th worst record and they selected Tuomo Ruutu 9th.
2002: Made the playoffs. Finished 5th in the west, four points ahead of 9th. Their top six scoring forward were there in 2001 and Jocelyn Thibault was the starter both years, but they added Phil Housley and Jon Klemm on the blueline. They were #2 and #3 in TOI behind Boris Mironov. They made a very smart pick in the 2nd round selecting Duncan Keith 45th overall.
2003: 14th worst record. They selected Brent Seabrook. They took Corey Crawford in the 2nd round and Dustin Byfuglien in the 9th.
2004: 2nd worst record. Washington won the lottery so the Hawks dropped to 3rd and picked Cam Barker after missing out on Ovechkin and Malkin. The Hawks had 17 draft picks that year and took Dave Bolland 32nd, Bryan Bickell 41st and Troy Brouwer 214th. 
2005: No season, but they picked 7th after the lottery and took Jack Skille. They chose Niklas Hjalmarsson 108th overall.
2006: 3rd worst record. They happily took Jonathan Toews at #3.
2007: 5th worst record. They won the lottery and took Patrick Kane first overall. (Sidenote, the Oilers never would have gotten Kane. Had they lost their final game of the season to the Flames they would have finished with the 4th worst record not the fifth.)
2008: 11th worst record. Took Kyle Beach with the 11th pick.

During the first half of that decade of losing none of the Hawks top picks made an impact in Chicago, however, between 2002-2007 the foundation of their team was built through the draft. Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Keith, Hjalmarsson, Crawford, Bickell, Bolland, Brouwer and Byfuglien were all key players in one or both of their Stanley Cup victories.

However, it wasn't like they planned to go from being a playoff team in 2002, to missing out by one point in 2003 to being a bottom three team in 2004, 2006 and 2007. You can make a strong argument that their most important decision came from a stroke of luck; winning the draft lottery.

Toews is the heart and soul of that team, but Kane is his deadly sidekick, and I don't see them winning the Cup without Kane. You need some luck and good fortune along the way to win a Cup, but to become a consistent contender you need to build the majority of the key pieces via the draft.

The Oilers have an excellent chance of mirroring the Hawks decade of losing, but they will be hard pressed to go from being a bottom feeder to a Cup contender like the Hawks, because no two paths to Cup success are the same.

The Oilers don't have a Keith or Seabrook right now. You can argue that Petry could be their Hjalmarsson and Eberle was an outstanding pick at #22, but other than a long stretch of losing, I've never made the direct comparison between the two organizations.

The Hawks stunk for a decade, and if Bill Wirtz hadn't passed away in the fall of 2007, I wonder if the Hawks would have had the same success. Wirtz was a very generous man who donated millions of dollars to the Boys and Girls Clubs and other charities, but he was incredibly frugal when it came to the Blackhawks. For years he wouldn't show Blackhawks' home games on television. He alienated his fans to the point that when the Blackhawks held a moment of silence in his honour prior to a game in October of 2007 some fans booed.

The Hawks success was a combination of good drafting, some lottery luck and a change in leadership.

Will the Oilers do the same?

WHAT ABOUT PITTSBURGH?

Most people know that the Penguins had five consecutive top-five picks between 2002-2006, but prior to those five lean years the Penguins were a great organization.

The Penguins made the playoffs for 11 consecutive seasons before missing them in 2002. Jaromir Jagr entered the NHL in 1990/1991 and that is when the Penguins 11-year streak began. They also had some guy named Mario Lemieux who was also pretty good.

Jagr came in when their run started, and when he was traded on July 11th, 2001that marked the beginning of their five years in suckville.

The Penguins made it to the conference finals in 2001, losing 4-1 to New Jersey, but Jagr was traded that summer and Lemieux only played 26 games in 2002.

2002: 5th worst record. They drafted Ryan Whitney. They also selected Max Talbot 234th overall.
2003: 2nd worst record. Florida won the lottery and had the first pick. The Penguins had the 3rd choicel, and they moved that pick along with the 55th pick (Stefan Meyer) and Mikael Samuelsson to Florida for the 1st and 73rd pick (Daniel Carcillo).The Penguins took Marc-Andre Fleury first overall.
2004: Worst record in the NHL. Washington won the lottery and picked first, (Ovechkin) and the Penguins grabbed Evgeni Malkin at #2. They took Alex Goligoski 61st and Tyler Kennedy 99th.
2005: No season. The history of the Penguins changed due to luck. They won the lottery and had the pleasure of selecting Sidney Crosby. They chose Kris Letang 62nd that year as well.
2006: 2nd worst record. They selected Jordan Staal 2nd overall.

There is no Crosby in Edmonton, and on any other team for that matter, so it is very difficult for the Oilers to follow the Penguins' path to success. The Penguins drafted three centres, one goalie and a D-man who they used in a trade to acquire Chris Kunitz.

The Penguins went from being very good to terrible in the span of 10 months.

Their five-year drought was painful, but they got Crosby and Malkin; two of the top-five players in the NHL. It is impossible to match that blueprint. The Penguins also got an elite D-man in the 3rd round, similar to the Blackhawks landing Keith.

The Oilers are on pace to grab their 5th consecutive pick in the top-seven, and while that will put them on par with the draft positioning of the Penguins, it doesn't mean their five picks will be as impactful as the Penguins. Just like the Hawks, the Penguins caught a huge break by winning the lottery and selecting a dynamic and dominant player.

The Oilers have also won the lottery, but Nail Yakupov hasn't come close to matching the early success of Kane or Crosby. He likely will produce more in the future, but I don't ever see him being in the same category as those two players.

The one similarity that I do see unfolding with the Oilers, that we also saw in Pittsburgh and Chicago, will be trading away one of their top-five picks.

The Hawks moved Cam Barker for Kim Johnsson and Nick Leddy, while the Pens moved Whitney for Kunitz and after winning a Cup, they had to move (pending UFA) Staal for Brandon Sutter and Derrick Pouliot.

The Oilers are similar to the Penguins in their draft position, and are on the verge of being on par with the Blackhawks when it comes to a decade of losing. Now, it is up to MacTavish to see if he can build this team into a contender. They still have a lot of work to do.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

  • It is great to have a goal to strive for, but the I've always felt it was a bit of pipedream to believe you could emulate the road to success of the Penguins or Blackhawks. The fact is there is no guarantee of success in the NHL.
     
  • Having consecutive top-five picks should give you a good base, but only if you use the picks properly. Either you pick the best combination of players, or you pick the ones that you will be able to move for assets in the future. The Oilers aren't in a position to trade one of those picks today, but they will need to in the future.
     
  • The other difference between the Oilers and the Hawks and Penguins thus far is drafting depth outside of a top-ten pick. The Blackhawks built the depth of their team through the draft, and many of them were a bit more mature by the time Kane and Toews burst on the scene.
     
  • The Penguins surrounded their young players with productive and experienced players. In 2008 when they lost in the Cup final, they added Hal Gill, Pascal Dupuis and Marian Hossa. The next year when they won the Cup they acquired Kunitz, Bill Guerin and Craig Adams. The Oilers will need to make smart moves and acquire some veterans to support their young stars.
     
  • The Penguins Cup winning blueline consisted of draft picks, Letang, Rod Scuderi (134th pick, 1998) and Brooks Orpik (18th, 2000), acquired Gill and two free agent signings in Sergie Gonchar (2005) and Mark Eaton (2006).
     
  • The Hawks also had three drafted D-men on their blueline in Keith, Seabrook and Hjalmarsson.
     
  • The only drafted D-man the Oilers curently have on the roster is Petry. We expect Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse and possibly Martin Marincin to play in the future, but if the Oilers are going to succeed then one of those three will need to be an impact player within three seasons. That is a lot to ask of a young D-man.
     
  • If I had to pick, I'd say the Oilers have a better chance of following the Penguins path than the Blackhawks, strictly because the Hawks D-men were more mature than their forwards when they won. The Penguins went out and signed a veteran top-pairing D-man in Gonchar, which is a more realistic option for the Oilers. They either trade for one this summer or try and sign one via free agency this summer.
     
  • Trading or signing an elite D-man is going to be extremely difficult. If they don't go that route, I don't see how this team can take the steps needed to becoming a competitive team.
     
  • I understand the frustration amongst Oilers fans. You are sick of watching a losing product, and you should be. However, the Oilers haven't been rebuilding for eight years. From 2007-2010 they tried being competitive, but they failed. They made some questionable trades and free agent signings, and the only reason they actually went into a rebuild was due to numerous injuries to key players during the 2009/2010 season. They didn't plan to rebuild, it just unfolded that way.
     
  • That doesn't excuse Kevin Lowe, far from it, but the biggest mistake the Oilers could make today is to try and speed up the rebuild. If they need to fire someone within the organization to appease their fans, then they have to do it, but if they try to deviate from their original plan, or try and speed up the process, then there is a very good chance they will end up driving this team into an even longer cycle of losing. They have to see the process through, and accept that there might be some empty seats in the process. If they try to change the plan now, they likely will screw it up even worse.
     
  • Eakins was pretty fired up about the fan who threw his jersey on the ice. "That's a bunch of bull crap. Whoever through that jersey on the ice is a quitter and they're out. I never want our players to quit," said Eakins. Every sports team values the jersey, it is very symbolic and I see why the coach didn't like it. He was okay with fans booing, said his team deserved it, but the jersey was offside. I'm guessing this will be a hot topic amongst Oiler fans. Some I spoke to loved it, while others felt it was disrespectful to the jersey.
     
  • My personal opinion on it is this. Eakins is in a no win situation. They didn't need another distraction, although I'm guessing that was his plan. Have fans hate him, not the team.

    Also...If the fan who threw it is officially done with the Oilers, then he went out with a bang. If he threw it on the ice, but will be back watching them tonight then it was just a moment of dumb frustration and rather bushleague. You can be upset at the Oilers, yell at them because they haven't improved, demand that Lowe be fired. That is fair game. Tossing a jersey, or anything else on the ice, other than a hat after a hat trick, should not be applauded.

    I do believe many fans are fed up and likely won't go to any games or watch any until the Oilers improve, and if you are strong enough to stay away I tip my hat to you. I'm a diehard Dolphins fan, and my team has stunk for the most part of the past two decades, yet everytime I think I'm done with them they win a few games and I get sucked back in. It is very hard to stop cheering for a team, and if you are able to do it then you are stronger than me. Good on ya.

 LINEUP

It shouldn't matter who they play with, the entire team's focus should be about working hard and competing. If they don't instill that into their foundation this team will never improve. Eakins juggled his lines and came up with these new combos at practice yesterday.

Hall-RNH-Perron
Joensuu-Gagner-Eberle
Smyth-Gordon-Hemsky
Gazdic-Lander-Yakupov

Ference-J Schultz
Belov-Petry
N Schultz-Potter

Bryzgalov

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers worst game of the year was the 5-0 loss to Detroit. They rebounded three days later and beat Florida on the road. Tonight is different. They are at home and their fans are frothing at the mouth in frustration. If they have any pride they will put forth a good effort. If they don't, the fans won't hold back their displeasure. The Oilers avoid a raucous round of boos with a 4-3 win.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers announce a sell out, but there will be some empty seats. Whether they are paid for or not, the message should be clear to the Oilers; patience is wearing thin amongst Oiler fans.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The powerplay doesn't give up a good scoring chance.
 

DAY 16: MONTH OF GIVING...

Today is our final day, so if you haven't finished your Christmas shopping you could do it during the show and help out Santas Anonymous and The Christmas Bureau at the same time.

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  • A $1,000 shopping spree at Derk's Mens Wear
  • One Derk's Black Label Suit.
  • $300 in tailoring to help with your new wardrobe.
  • A wardrobe consultation. Derks will come to your house, go through your closet and asses what you need or what pieces need to go.

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  • 10 rounds of golf at the Ranch Golf and Country Club (hole 14 above)  with a power cart with each round and use of driving range before every round.

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  • A pair of white gold diamond earrings. Beautiful floral type deign with micro pavee set diamonds on lever backs, they are a stunning dangling style with .30 carats of diamonds. Courtesy of Michael Anthony Jewellers. 

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  • Two pairs of seats to watch the Flyers/Oilers on Saturday.
    Row 23 seats 1,2 and seats 5.6  with club access courtesy of Nation reader VK63!

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#51 Quicksilver ballet
December 23 2013, 10:55PM
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Our idiot coach is sticking his foot in his mouth again I see.... Eakins doesn't see the difference between the fans and the players. He throws that quitter word around like it's sacred or something. Doesn't he realize that if these players weren't being paid millions per yr, everyone of them would have quit on him long ago as well? They are paid to care until the money runs out, and not for a second longer.

One has to pay to be there, and the other is well paid to be there. The leader of Gong Show Productions needs to be reminded the paying customer is always right. Today was just another example of the many stupid mistakes Eakins will make as his team plays out the string. We can put this quote right up on the shelf next to Kevin Lowes "I think I know a little bit about winning" quote. What a bunch of bozos....

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#54 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
December 24 2013, 01:02AM
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@Zarny

Zarny......Serious question......are you a woman?.......because if you are, you know more about hockey than any woman I've ever met. Just curious.

Edit: I think someone trashed me for being sarcastic or sexist or something.......not trying to be....just see the picture and the name Zarny....and would like to know....honest question.

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#55 Fresh Mess
December 23 2013, 01:16PM
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Congratulations. You're the new Leaf fans. World class city surely to follow.....

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#56 YAKCITY64
December 23 2013, 01:56PM
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Gregor,

I have listened to you since 790 I think and have always respected your opinion. I think you have had a level headed approach to most things but really are you even wasting your words comparing this sad sack bunch to anything that closely resembles the Pens or the Hawks. This sounds to me like Katz and the boys have bought you too. Sad Sad Day.

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#57 Danger Pay
December 23 2013, 02:14PM
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I've got the solution:

Step #1: Make a billion dollars.

Step #2: Buy the Oilers.

Step #3: Fire Kevin Lowe

Step #4: Trade anyone with value for a package of players. -----------------------------------------------------------Step #5: Draft based on teams needs.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Step #6: Work like a MO-Fo to sign quality Free Agents in the summer with out over paying or committing.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- Of course all of this is probably a lot easier said than done (especially Steps #1 and 2)!

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#58 A-Mc
December 23 2013, 03:40PM
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This isn't the first time ive said this this year..

I hope the Oilers lose tonight. Badly. A big fat 4-0 for Winnipeg.

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#59 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 05:45PM
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And my GDP:

Oilers 5-2. Fans go nuts. No jerseys and other detritus will be tossed.

But Calgary looms...

And the worst mid-season record in oilers history is already a fact.

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#60 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 11:09PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

The Oilers were playing well, 7-3-1, before the six games against elite teams. They aren't an elite team and those six games proved it.

The Oilers should be able to compete and beat teams like the Jets. They need to beat middle of the road teams, gain experience and hope that next year they will add some new pieces and be able to at least compete with some of the elite teams.

I'm not believing the jersey theory and how it will play out in the future. I don't think you will see multiple bras thrown on the ice for the next hat trick either, but I could be wrong on both accounts.

Pollyannish garbage.

The FACT is this team is on track to have the worst season in oilers history. Individual games are irrelevant.

The FACT is that this team doesn't just do poorly against good teams they are 3-20 against the top sixteen teams in the league. They are so bad against heavy opponents that they are the worst team in oilers history.

Jersey-throwing was a low point in the lowest season to end all seasons thusfar. Let's see how they do in the second half...

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#61 Serious Gord
December 24 2013, 12:39AM
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Zarny wrote:

No, actually record books simply record wins, losses and ties.

For each year, every team plays by the same rules.

Regardless, by the end of the season it won't matter. This team won't have anywhere near the worst record ever.

We shall see where they end up. Right now they are on track - adjusting as any sane statistician would - for overtime wins, to be the worst team in oilers history.

That is undeniable. (And odd that someone would try and obfuscate it).

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#62 Serious Gord
December 24 2013, 01:14AM
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** wrote:

You're both using the wrong stat to prove your point. You need the points percentage to make the equivalencies match for both seasons.

THe PP doesn't go as far back as 1993-1994 in the NHL website but it's easy to calculate.

For 1993/1994 with a record of 11-23-5 in 39 games, the P% is .361.

For 2013/2014 with a record of 12-24-3 in 39 games, the P% is .361.

The Oilers are actually exactly where they were back in 1993/1994.

When you do it this way you make it only about the ability to obtain points and nothing else. This eliminates noise and bias from adding other elements of comparison like number of wins, or overtimes or ties.

Rules may change,but the ability to get points out of a max total remains the same.

But with the advent of the extra point for an overtime win (or loss depending on your perspective) some games in today's era are worth more points than others - an overtime game gives two pts to the winner and one to the loser fir a total of three versus just two for a game that ends in regulation.

Thus comparing point/game avgs between the two years in question is gibberish.

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#63 Neal
December 24 2013, 07:26AM
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Sure Jason, there you go muddying the waters with facts and common sense...

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#64 Bucknuck
December 23 2013, 12:54PM
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Well, I hope they give us a Christmas present and win tonight. That's what I want for Christmas.

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#65 Tychxxx
December 23 2013, 12:59PM
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Let's keep shelling out our money and go to the games and watch a team in a rebuild for the last four years? This team has been a disappointment for longer then that!! Maybe you should take a seat beside management next time they tell us to be patient. You can all hold hands and sing songs of better days to come. Been listening to that tune for way to long.

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#66 Taylor
December 23 2013, 01:07PM
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The Oilers TV Radio and Internet talent are turning into Fox News. They're starting to spin it as good as O'reily and Hannitty do. Please fire someone Mr. Katz to show the fans that there efforts and money are valued by the string pulling puppeteers that control this mess.

DO SOMETHING

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#67 Chainsawz
December 23 2013, 01:51PM
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Does anyone have hard evidence that deviating from Lowe's rebuild plan will further the losing for even longer? Seems like a weird thing to say.

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#69 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 23 2013, 02:09PM
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Sizzay wrote:

Good on the guy who threw the jersey! How about the entire oilers management put a competitive on ice product then maybe you bunch of idiots will get some respect.

Nice to see yakupov on the 4th line! They are ruining him. Can't wait for him to get traded and score 30 a year for the next 10 seasons. Yakupovs skill didn't disappear overnight, this isn't looking to be a good environment for the kid.

Gagner has been the worst oiler. Trade him and maybe bring in some actual help.

I've seen some dumb plays from Schultz hall and ebs. Why aren't they on the fourth line or bottom pairing?

Suck bad for ekblad!

This team is the new maple leafs.

Yakupov should be in the AHL given his maturity and compete levels. He should be thanking his lucky stars (and his agent) that he's cashing an NHL paycheque right now.

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#70 Kenta
December 23 2013, 02:31PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Congratulations. You're the new Leaf fans. World class city surely to follow.....

But aren't you already "The City of Champions". LOL.

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#71 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 05:59PM
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Eakins has tweeted a 'clarification' of his comments today. No apology anywhere - very similar to lowes non-apology after his six rings comments. so further evidence/confirmation that the oilers PR dept is just as inept as the team.

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#72 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 07:19PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

What segment were you on Oiler's now in?

1:00 today - starts at the 1:35 mark give or take.

Useful if only because Bob replays the entire eakins comment. Bob thinks it gives some kine of exoneration of what he said in the soundbite, but i think - and i think you will agree - he only digs a deeper hole.

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#73 boxman
December 23 2013, 09:45PM
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Jason did you edit your pointless comment and if so why?

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#74 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 11:54PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Explain to me how beating up a Flames team that has many of their best players injured will be a "set the tone' game. Beating a depleted Flames team will give them the boost they need? I sure hope they have higher standards than that.

Why resort to "what if they lost" arguments. Weak, very weak, since what ifs only lead to impossible to prove speculation.

You can keep trying to overhype the jersey toss all you like.

It is not the toss it is what it symbolized for a very large cohort of oilers fans. And that is clearly demonstrated by the ensuing reaction. To the act.

And the same goes for the game against cgy. that cgy is in a weakened state is irrelevant. It is relevant that the flames are our biggest rival. Our foil to which everyone compares the oil and derides the oil for not meeting expectations while cgy exceeds theirs (which they did again tonight). Friday really seems to me to be a put up or shut up game for the oil. Lose and I think all is lost. Win and maybe. Just maybe. They can have a successful second half.

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#75 Serious Gord
December 24 2013, 12:07AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

It is also important to state truths...

Oilers 1993/1994...first 39 games.. 11-23-5, and they lost their 40th game.

Through 39 games this year the Oilers are 12-24-3. That is a better record based on wins. And if Oilers win one of their next two games they will be better than two other years at the half way point. They have many issues, but it is important to state the exact truths when comparing previous seasons.

You want the truth?!!

You can't handle the truth.

There weren't any overtime losses in the nhl in 93/94.

Adjusting for that and the fact that the oil thusfar have four overtime wins that would have been ties in 93/94 they would be 8 - 24 - 7.

That is far behind the 93/94 team.

Now either you innocently forgot that fact or you deliberately omitted it.

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#76 Bender
December 23 2013, 12:46PM
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Same players same problems.......a bunch of kids and a limp D-fence.

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#77 Mjolnir
December 23 2013, 01:09PM
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How is throwing a jersey bush league?? I'm sure if the oilers could show up for more than ten minutes a game people would keep their clothes on. It's time for the players to start showing more respect to the team than the fans do.

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#78 DoubleTap
December 23 2013, 01:30PM
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Sorry Gregor but you're wrong. If a fan who paid money to purchase a jersey decides to throw it away and onto the ice, that is their choice.

Just because you're not willing to give up on Klowe after years of his incompetence doesn't deny a fans right to protest.

I think this fan should be appllauded for doing what he wanted with his property. Same as Kattz gets to do with his team; keeping his buddies in management positions far beyond what is rationale.

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#79 Sizzay
December 23 2013, 02:03PM
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Good on the guy who threw the jersey! How about the entire oilers management put a competitive on ice product then maybe you bunch of idiots will get some respect.

Nice to see yakupov on the 4th line! They are ruining him. Can't wait for him to get traded and score 30 a year for the next 10 seasons. Yakupovs skill didn't disappear overnight, this isn't looking to be a good environment for the kid.

Gagner has been the worst oiler. Trade him and maybe bring in some actual help.

I've seen some dumb plays from Schultz hall and ebs. Why aren't they on the fourth line or bottom pairing?

Suck bad for ekblad!

This team is the new maple leafs.

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#80 arsenaloilerbarca
December 23 2013, 02:11PM
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Sad times being an Oilers fan....i'll never forget seeing the picture of that expensive Oilers jersey on the ice, truly an epic moment in Oilers history (and unfortunately not one of the many great ones the Oilers have).

I was thinking, what us fans should do is decide to pick a home game upcoming on the schedule (maybe sometime in January or whenever), and just completely boycott going to it.

If we can raise some type of media hype, be it by calling into the 630 ched, writing a blog on here, writing into tsn/sportsnet/HNIC, as well as the Edmonton Journal and Sun, we could actually raise awareness for fans to boycott the game, and just have the arena empty.

If the media knew this was the plan by the fans, then I would think that the buzz would grow and grow on its own, and really cause a disturbance. Imagine if lowe knew this was coming ahead of time? Wow, I would think that even he, with all his arrogance, would not have a "6 rings" type answer.

If all fans buy into it, it would really show some dissatisfaction and really voice our displeasure, and just further the already epic jersey ice toss, but in a more costly way, to the Oilers brass and the fans.

just a thought.

love the Oilers through and through, but enough is enough

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#81 Dallylamma
December 23 2013, 02:22PM
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The sweater that got tossed should be framed and put up in the Oilers locker room...use it as a rally point.

Eakins is bush league for calling out the fan. Throwing the sweater was a sign of passion, not quitting.

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#82 Sliderule
December 23 2013, 04:29PM
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The jersey on the ice was awesome.

It's a symbol of oiler fan frustration with the oiler management.

It's a final blowout against the arrogance of Lowe and the nepotism in their scouting and coaching.

The problem is at the very top.

Deal with that and it will work out.

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#83 Gored 1970
December 23 2013, 05:10PM
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Jason, are you delusional?? To quote "but if they try to deviate from their original plan, or try and speed up the process, then there is a very good chance they will end up driving this team into an even longer cycle of losing" What was the original plan, to fire the General Manager and the coaches with great regularity? Admit it my friend - there is no plan. This franchise will have missed the playoffs for 8 years - was that the plan? Bill Belichik always drafted on the basis of what the Patriots need and they are winners. The Oilers, under the guidance of "6 rings Lowe", has drafted the best player available, regardless of team needs, and now have a bunch of players that play a similar style and they are whiners. Jeeze Louise, even a dumb-ass like me knows that every great scorer need someone to go into the corners and dig out the puck for them.

Also,Eakins' quote "That's a bunch of bull crap. Whoever through that jersey on the ice is a quitter and they're out. I never want our players to quit," is laughable. Is that idiot Eakins the only one that realizes that the Oilers have already quit on him, the fans and the rest of the season? After throwing the team under the bus game after game this little bouquet isn't going to get you back on the players Christmas list - you are dead in the water, Eakins.

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#84 madjam
December 23 2013, 05:31PM
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It's pretty pathetic when you get more satisfaction and thrills watching a Flames game than our own Oilers . Now , how many of you hockey fans are paying big dollars to basically see the other NHL clubs , rather than your own ? Same could be said for 2nd and 3rd tiered fans here . MacT. is responsible for this mess and only Katz's can probably pull the trigger .

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#86 Kypreos
December 23 2013, 10:11PM
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WTF

Please be patience with Oilers management. Kevin Lowe has done everything for this team.

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#87 Serious Gord
December 23 2013, 11:48PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Sometimes severe adversity is what it takes to bring a team together. Let's hope.

Further to my Churchill reference above:

"The Hinge of Fate describes how the tide of the war gradually turned for Britain and its allies from constant defeat to almost unbroken successes - Japan's successful assault on the Pacific, Britain's attempts to aid a beleaguered Russia and the defeat of Rommel at the Battle of Alamein."

From an amazon synopsis of WCs six volume history of f the war. (Fantastic read BTW)

Perhaps cgy on the 27 is the oils El Alamein...

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#89 Serious Gord
December 24 2013, 01:10AM
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The Mook wrote:

The NHL started regular season overtime in '83-84, so yes those 4 wins are possible in '93-94

Not true. OT win points were not given until the 99-00 season.

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#90 Cynic
December 24 2013, 01:25AM
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Reading the last two ON posts makes me think the writers got a memo from Oilers brass. Is there a press pass you guys are trying to protect? Sure reads like it.

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#91 Serious Gord
December 24 2013, 07:54AM
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Morgue wrote:

Serious gord I'd suggest you are reading into things a little too much. Quoting Churchill my god you have to much time on your hands

Well let's see... Others have alluded to many other big events in history and sacred items during this - edmonton's version of jersey shore, I'm just following suit.

That and I'm already in Christmas vacay...

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#92 oilabroad
December 23 2013, 12:54PM
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we have two types of fans, and the ones that pay to go to the games should be allowed to throw their jersey on the ice...

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#93 Rama Lama
December 23 2013, 01:00PM
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I think that the fans ( not a collective) have been misjudged by the various media reporting on the Oilers.

If I were a betting man, I would say the fans do not believe that we have the right management to make player selection decisions required to surround the core with complementary players.

We have dithered away opportunity after opportunity to get bigger, larger, defensively sound players over players like Yakupov........more of the same. Nurse was the first good defenceman we drafted, good on Mac T for picking that player.

We have decided to build from the front to the back the exact opposite of what good teams do and this has not been well received by the fans.

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#94 Zamboni Driver
December 23 2013, 01:10PM
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redhot1 wrote:

Starting a rebuild after 3 first overall picks. Only in Edmonton

...so far.

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#95 Drowning in Oil
December 23 2013, 02:03PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

For accuracy MacT quit. And since he has the Oilers have been even worse so maybe he wasnt as bad a coach as some said. He had crap teams mainly.

Lowe was asked about MacT credentials at time he was hired. Do you think he should be asked about it every day?

Mact had been on job for 8 months... you can hate the hire, buy you or I can't say if it was good or bad at this point. Too early to tell. Questioning Lowe is fair and it had been done but owner is tight with him. I doubt that changes when he keeps making millions.

Wow Gregor, 8 month..... Isn't that a longer time on the job than Kruger had? He wasn't given " a chance". What a load of crap.

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#96 YAKCITY64
December 23 2013, 02:17PM
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Gregor,

We are all entitled to our opinion and I understand yours. As a coach and yes just at bantam AAA the Jersey is a sacred thing and needs to be respected. I think with Eakins comments they resonate with the fans the arrogant attitude that KLOWE Mac T and Katz have shown to this fan base.

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#97 Dallylamma
December 23 2013, 02:24PM
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@Constance

Who do you think Klowe is texting while the Oilers are phoning it in...he's trying to see if Gregor can get him a deal on some stylish menswear.

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#98 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 23 2013, 02:54PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

For accuracy MacT quit. And since he has the Oilers have been even worse so maybe he wasnt as bad a coach as some said. He had crap teams mainly.

Lowe was asked about MacT credentials at time he was hired. Do you think he should be asked about it every day?

Mact had been on job for 8 months... you can hate the hire, buy you or I can't say if it was good or bad at this point. Too early to tell. Questioning Lowe is fair and it had been done but owner is tight with him. I doubt that changes when he keeps making millions.

Yes Mac T quit...after the pressure from fans and media had driven Katz to publicly state that his job was safe.

Seems to me maybe he quit so katz wouldnt have to fire him. ( I hear Mact and Katz may have been or are friends ouside of the Oilers) Maybe Lowe and Katz say to him. You resign.

Go bum around for a couple years and we of course will bring you back.

Explains why he never stayed anywhere else (except for the incompetence part) You come back when the heat is off and the fans will love it.

Lowe thinks to himself that is gonna be an awesome presser. "Ladies and gentlemen of the world. I now announce what you have demanded for so long...The return of one of the greatest Oilers (well he was pretty good and won some cups with me) MacT!!! " Easiest sell i will ever make. hehe

Just sayin

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#99 YAKCITY64
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Chris. wrote:

Just listened to Stauffer on the radio and I'm so furious I'm vibrating... His take: Eakins and MacTavish haven't even had a full year yet so we need to be patient.

Remember when we missed the playoffs in 2007 and we needed to be patient because we were re-tooling after Pronger left..?..

And then we missed the playoffs in 2008 and we needed to be patient because we had to let our exciting young core of Nilsson, Cogliano and Gagner grow and mature..??..

And then we missed the playoffs in 2009 but we had to be patient because Tambellini had only been general manager for one season..????..

And then in 2010 we finished last and missed the playoffs but we were going to need to be patient because we were just now starting a rebuild for the very first time with the Hall pick...?????..

And then in 2011 we finished last and missed the playoffs but still needed to be more patient because we were still by Stauffer's math in the first year of a rebuild..??????..

And then in 2012 we finished second last and missed the playoffs but needed to be patient because we were in the second year of a rebuild... and we had a brand new coach..???????..

And in 2013 we finished 24th and missed the playoffs but we no longer had to be to patient because our brand new General Manager is an "impatient guy" who predicted "some pretty immediate growth and change"..????????..

In 2014 we are trending towards our worst season in franchise history and Stauffer has the nerve to trot out the excuse that MacTavish and Eakins deserve MORE TIME??????????

More time for a coach that is stupid enough to call a frustrated fan a quitter and then quote a never quit the fight mantra one day after his team folded the tent after going down by only 2 goals in the second period of a nationally televised game?

More time for a GM who fired the last coach after only 48 games... a GM who is such a good evaluator of talent that he said his 2008/2009 team was the most skilled group he ever worked with and figured they would challenge for the division... and when that didn't happen; he quit? After years of high picks this team is a poorer functioning mirror of the 2008/2009 team that was filled with too many small, soft, perimeter type players to seriously compete for anything meaningful in the Western Conference... We are going in circles!

Are you sure you were listening to Bobby Stauffer or his new clone and sellout Jason Gregor. Looks like Katz is spending money on buying the podium of the media guys in this town and not spending it on the team. I respect gregor and what he has done for this town but just listen to his show now and tell me he isnt a clone of Stauffer. This organization is ARROGANT towards the paying fans in this town and to have to hear these media guys making excuses for this arrogance is honestly too much to handle and we as fans vote with our time and attention and I for one will not support either of these Oiler Apologists.

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#100 S4H1
December 23 2013, 03:34PM
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Brian Bickel... Drafted in 2004. Played first significant minutes in 2010. Six year development? Impossible! Noone has that much patience!

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